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S01.E09: Straight To Hell

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Season Finale:

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Mayor Fisk becomes Mayor Kingpin, and Daredevil is unleashed as chaos takes over the city.

Thoughts:

Anthony, Anthony. Looks like Fisk favors loyalty over brains.

Damn, Kingpin caving Gallo's head in would've been over the top back on Netflix, much less Disney+.

I think Bullseye will be the fly in the ointment for the Fisks' plans. My bet is Vanessa is going down.

Seeing Blake at the desk in a suit wearing a pinky ring really made Michael favor his dad.

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Raja

Raja

The worst of Daredevil

All of that was supposed to happen the night of the party? With the filters I spent the time feeling like I was watching Matt in a coma having a nightmare. Even if the Avengers and S.H.I.E.L.D are no longer a thing it was too much cut off from the world Gotham Cityish for the MCU in my opinion and just didn't work.

10 minutes ago, paigow said:

Matt & Karen have redefined the word army... looks like they ended up with The Dirty Dozen instead...

I get it Stick raised Matt to be a leader of the Chaste but the Dirty Dozen were made up of dangerous men. We had one girl who might have super-powers and a cop who can at best double agent on the inside.

 

thuganomics85

thuganomics85

Daredevil: "Dammit, Frank!  Quit killing people!  Just do what I do!  Beat the shit out of them until they can't walk anymore and probably have to eat soft food for the rest of their lives!:

Punisher:  "You know, I might be crazy, Red, but you seem to have your own issues to work through..."

Matt & Frank are the best!

 

 

This episode automatically get points in my book not just for the return of Frank and doing what he does best (killing bad people and grunting Jon Bernthal-style!), but Karen Page is back!  Really missed her this season and I hope she is sticking around for good.  Her interactions with both Matt and Frank have so many layers and are so well-acted.  Deborah Ann Woll is a treasure.

Knew Commissioner Gallo was doomed, but did not see that going the way it went!  I guess Disney+ was like "Oh, you think we are going to tame things here?  Think again, buddy!"  So brutal that even Pedro Pascal would be like "And I thought I had it rough!"

Fisk really has all of the power now, since he's got the city under martial law and everyone else seems to have fallen in line.  Even Sheila betrays Gallo, despite pushing back against Fisk this entire time.  I'm guessing it was out of self-preservation?  Also, Heather has now joined his administration.  I did think she had a little conflicted look on her face, so I do wonder if Matt's words are in her head.  Even then, she really comes off like a major Fisk defender, and I just can't see there ever being a chance of a reconciliation with Matt.

Definitely think Poindexter is going to be a wild card, because while he'll always be an enemy for Matt, I can see him not being happy with the way Fisk does things and the way Vanessa used him.

Saw Tony Dalton's name in the credits: was Jack one of the people locked up in Fisk's lair?

Did Frank get captured on purpose or did he overplay his hand?  Either way, at least a few of the task force felt his wrath, but I hope Powell's time comes soon!

Outside of Heather, Matt's new buddies this season barely factored in.

Agree that the final shot of Daniel in the chair was the most Michael Gandolfini looked like his dad.

Matt and Karen's plan to take on Fisk is to form their own "army."  Which.. currently seems to consist of Josie and a few disgruntled cops?  Hope recruiting picks up very soon!  And maybe include a few particular "defenders" or two.

Overall, uneven season due to the sense that there was a lot of reworking going on, but I overall enjoyed it, and it was great seeing these characters (and actors) again.  Can't wait till next season!

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dwmarch

dwmarch

Overall, the thing that I didn't like about this season was that it was easy to tell that it was six episodes made by one team with three more episodes stitched around them made by a completely different team. A lot of what happened in this episode should have been sprinkled through the whole season instead of happening in the first forty minutes of this episode and then just petering off to nothing. What happened at the end of the episode? Daredevil went to Josie's bar and I think he gave a speech (it wasn't clear if the voiceover was just his thoughts) to a small crowd of potential allies.

It was also weird that NYC just went mad for one night, vigilantes were kinda-sorta involved but not shown and then the mayor of NYC declares martial law. The kettle boiled over but we never really saw it coming to a boil in the first place. I should not have to refer Marvel back to Kick-Ass for an example of vigilantes gone mad done right.

Why do so many shows and movies have a squad of mooks come in to be defeated by the good guys only to have an explosive tossed in after the battle? If you threw the grenade in first, it would have been a much different fight!

Kingpin squishing Gallo's head was unnecessarily gross. I suppose it is a tribute to Echo, where she used a similar sort of move on him (minus the squishy squishy of course). If it was meant as a bookend to show that Echo's magic has finally worn off, okay fine. But if it was just gross for the sake of being gross, no thank you. We have already seen a much better version of the Kingpin squishing a dude's head.

I did like the unresolved romantic and/or sexual tension between Frank and Karen. I ship them way more than I ship Matt and Karen.

Matt still didn't manage to tell the important people in his life that he is Daredevil.

Is the big secret that Foggy died over just the simple fact that Redhook is a free port and hence shady shit happens there? First and foremost, if it was a free port, everyone would know about it because that is impossible to keep secret in today's world. Second, I only know what a free port is from movies and TV and as far as I am concerned, they have the sole purpose of facilitating crime. So criminal empire commits criminal acts in place where criminals are known to do criminal stuff because they can get away with it is not a secret worth killing people over.

Tiny detail that I appreciated: even though Dex is using a felt-tipped pen to sign his release documents, his handwriting is still elegant. It's a weird flex but I like it a lot more than last week's incapacitating of a guard via projectile tooth.

1 hour ago, thuganomics85 said:

Saw Tony Dalton's name in the credits: was Jack one of the people locked up in Fisk's lair?

Yes, I saw him for about a second in one of the cages. I'm curious to see if ScreenCrush or New Rockstars can tell me who the other occupants were.

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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

49 minutes ago, dwmarch said:

Is the big secret that Foggy died over just the simple fact that Redhook is a free port and hence shady shit happens there? First and foremost, if it was a free port, everyone would know about it because that is impossible to keep secret in today's world

Being a Brooklyn, NY, ex-pat, the idea of Red Hook actually being a Free Port intrigued me, so I looked it up. Here's what AI had to say on the topic:

"Brooklyn is not a free port in the traditional sense of duty-free trade. While it has a significant port area, it operates under the same regulations as other ports within the United States. The Red Hook Container Terminal is a major shipping hub, but goods entering and leaving the port are subject to standard customs procedures and duties."

The concept is clearly unique to the MCU.

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KittenPokerCheater

KittenPokerCheater

I'm furious that Fisk is okay with her assassinating Foggy, because I think that was something Fisk/Matt had agreed upon NOT doing.

Also- the Gallo thing was over the top.  I am NOT a fan of going that far.  

Both Fisk and Vanessa have to die now.

I'm very glad Karen and Frank are back.

But what a down way to end the season, especially how I am feeling about the world right now now.

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paigow

paigow

Matt walked home from the hospital wearing only a gown - during a blackout with looting and random violence everywhere... 

Karen was able to rent a car and drive from the airport without getting carjacked during a blackout.

8 hours ago, AntFTW said:

Wow. If Matt isn’t evicted from his apartment by next season, that’s the real miracle.

He might beat the eviction in court... but the damage deposit is gone...

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bettername2come

bettername2come

I watched the scene of Fisk crushing the guy's skull with his bare hands multiple times questioning the physics of it. Does Fisk have super strength? Are skulls more delicate than I thought? Is this just a comic book show and I shouldn't think about it too much? I blame Disney/Marvel for any weirdness in my search history.

Matt saying "Resist. Rebel. Rebuild" is going to be stuck in my head. 

I need the rest of The Defenders to show up.

I still want Foggy to be faking his death.

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Raja

Raja

4 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

I watched the scene of Fisk crushing the guy's skull with his bare hands multiple times questioning the physics of it. Does Fisk have super strength? Are skulls more delicate than I thought? Is this just a comic book show and I shouldn't think about it too much? I blame Disney/Marvel for any weirdness in my search history.

Matt saying "Resist. Rebel. Rebuild" is going to be stuck in my head. 

I need the rest of The Defenders to show up.

I still want Foggy to be faking his death.

Looking up power lifter, Olympic weightlifter and strongmen competitor Mark Henry from the WWE who made many strong man displays as part of the wrestling shows it would take about 520Lbs of force and maybe impossible to squeeze that hard without the rest of his body failing to hold up. It would be like in the Luke Cage series when other than Iron Fist fighters broke their own arms when going full out to try to knock him out. Kingpin like Captain America has traditionally been said to have "peak human strength" so in this category no. He did switch from squeezing to pulling apart in the end. But then as with Captain America that peak does slide into break the laws of physics that Spider-Man threw at Cap.

dwmarch

dwmarch

26 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

Does Fisk have super strength?

In Hawkeye, he rips a car door off with his bare hands.

26 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

Is this just a comic book show and I shouldn't think about it too much?

My headcanon is that (most) humans in the 616 universe are stronger and more resilient. For example, previous appearances of the Punisher have shown him taking beatings that would have killed a regular human being. Or in this show, Heather should still be in bad shape after getting rag-dolled around her office by Muse.

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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

2 hours ago, bettername2come said:

Matt saying "Resist. Rebel. Rebuild" is going to be stuck in my head. 

I need the rest of The Defenders to show up.

"Resist, Rebel, Rebuild" is going to be my Mantra for the next few years.

When Matt said "we need an army," The Defenders immediately came to mind. Matt and Frank could use allies with steel-hard skin and super-strength. Not sure whether or not the licensing issues would allow that, but it would be cool.

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Raja

Raja

Just now, Winston Wolfe said:

"Resist, Rebel, Rebuild" is going to be my Mantra for the next few years.

When Matt said "we need an army," The Defenders immediately came to mind. Matt and Frank could use allies with steel-hard skin and super-strength. Not sure whether or not the licensing issues would allow that, but it would be cool.

All the Netflix characters are now in. They weren't used before the reshoots because they weren't Fiege people so he wasn't going to pay for Brett Mahoney and brought in his own Detective Kim for an immediate example 

 

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kickingnames

kickingnames

12 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I did like the unresolved romantic and/or sexual tension between Frank and Karen. I ship them way more than I ship Matt and Karen.

Always.

 

12 hours ago, dwmarch said:

Matt still didn't manage to tell the important people in his life that he is Daredevil.

Good thing too -- I don’t think it would have changed Heather’s mind on Fisk, so better she doesn’t know now. Would prefer their relationship doesn't continue in status quo while she’s literally Team Fisk though.

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Orbert

Orbert

When Matt said "Karen?" and it was Heather, I thought that that was awkward, and might lead to more awkwardness, but then I wondered why Matt would even make that mistake.  Doesn't he have super smell, or something?  He would know the difference between Heather and Karen.  Heather did point out a few times that he was on some heavy medication, though.  Or maybe that was Kirsten, who was also there.

paigow

paigow

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3 hours ago, Orbert said:

When Matt said "Karen?" and it was Heather, I thought that that was awkward, and might lead to more awkwardness, but then I wondered why Matt would even make that mistake.

Heather said something first... the drugs dulled his super hearing so it sounded like Karen... also could be it was his heart listening / wishful thinking as others have mentioned...

Maximum awkwardness...

Matt: Frank???

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KittenPokerCheater

KittenPokerCheater

He said Karen.  I think it was a reflex- he and Karen are so close (romantically or not), that it makes sense to me that she would be his go-to person.  

And a shipper could argue that it shows that Karen is his One True Love.  Personally, I think this was the producers shooting down the middle of the road to keep everyone (mostly) happy.

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Kel Varnsen

Kel Varnsen

19 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Daredevil: "Dammit, Frank!  Quit killing people!  Just do what I do!  Beat the shit out of them until they can't walk anymore and probably have to eat soft food for the rest of their lives!:

The whole thing where Matt hates that Frank kills people has always been dumb. Does he really think that hitting someone in the head with a metal club at full strength isn't enough to kill someone, or at least leave them permanently disabled.

7 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

When Matt said "we need an army," The Defenders immediately came to mind. Matt and Frank could use allies with steel-hard skin and super-strength. Not sure whether or not the licensing issues would allow that, but it would be cool.

Other than seeing Krysten Ritter again I am good with no defenders.  The Netflix versions of Luke Cage and Iron Fist both sucked. Instead why not get Kate Bishop to help rescue her almost step-dad. Or Ms. Marvel to help out as a returned favour. Or get Matt to call his friend Jennifer Walters and get her on a plane.

Hell Marvel should start negotiating now to see how much they would have to pay Sony to get Tom Holland to show up. Peter Parker showing up in Born Again season 2 would be a great teaser for Spider-Man Brand New Day which comes out next summer.

baldryanr

baldryanr

10 hours ago, Kel Varnsen said:

The whole thing where Matt hates that Frank kills people has always been dumb. Does he really think that hitting someone in the head with a metal club at full strength isn't enough to kill someone, or at least leave them permanently disabled.

Classic superheroing, though - Batman is the same way.  If they don't die on the spot then it's all OK in the name of justice - so what if they're going to be spending, at best, months in rehab? 

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Kel Varnsen

Kel Varnsen

1 hour ago, paigow said:

The no kill debate was rendered moot when the grenade killed anybody that Matt wounded...

More awkwardness....

Matt: Heather, this is my... friend... Jen... also a lawyer

Awkwardness maybe but I think things with Heather are probably over. Not to mention Tatiana Maslany is a way better actor, at least when doing the super hero thing, than Finn Jones.

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lovett1979

lovett1979

Great ending and setup for season 2. I'm glad everything finally came together. I love seeing Frank and he has great chemistry with Matt/Red (though I am still unconvinced of when he came to realize they are the same person, and how MATT knew that FRANK knew) and with Karen (much better than her with Matt).

Speaking of chemistry, I never felt it between Matt and Heather so I'm glad they seem to be done (and that he never told her his secret). 

I found interesting (and perhaps a depressing sign of our times) the evolution of Fisk's tactics for getting the cops to do his bidding. In season 1 of the Netflix Daredevil, he did it mostly with bribes/payoffs (right?). In season 3, he got the FBI agents to work for him through blackmail. Now, all he had to do was say "ok, go be your worst self and give in to all your worst impulses" and now he has an army.

I felt a lot of parallels to real-world events and projects but we are probably not supposed to talk about those things here.

The theatre-lover in me was quite worried about the 8pm curfew. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO BROADWAY SHOWS???

I do hope Matt's able to get some more familiar faces to join his army and that the show just couldn't make it work to have those actors for that final scene.

I live in Brooklyn. I grocery shop in Red Hook all the time. It is by the water and probably used to be a shipping center. Now there's a cruise ship dock, and an Ikea. It's so funny to me that it's been such an important part of this show's plot.

On 4/16/2025 at 8:33 AM, KittenPokerCheater said:

I'm furious that Fisk is okay with her assassinating Foggy, because I think that was something Fisk/Matt had agreed upon NOT doing.

But that deal was only as protection for Vanessa. Matt wouldn't expose Vanessa's involvement in Agt. Nadeem's death if Fisk didn't go after Foggy or Karen. But the characters may not know everything that we, the audience, knows. Did Foggy know about that deal? Did he know that his Red Hook discovery was going to implicate her? Did Vanessa know that the lawyer who was about to implicate her with the Red Hook thing was the friend of Daredevil who her husband had agreed not to go after? And did that agreement extend to her not going after him either? So I don't really see either of their actions (Foggy or Vanessa) as violating that agreement.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

The Fisks are so utterly unhinged, there truly is someone out there for everyone, always a freak to match your own freak. Truly nothing brings a relationship back like having a bunch of people locked up in your murder basement. Bullseye might have started off the season as the "main" bad guy, but the Fisks are really so much worse. He's at least got the excuse of being severely mentally ill, those two are just assholes. 

This season overall has been very good, if extremely grim, but the last few episodes have gone a bit off the rails. So much happening, so much drama, its all just a bit much, to many characters, but I am so excited to see where things go now that the Fisks are more evil and more powerful than ever. 

I love whenever Frank and Matt are together, they just have the best snarkiest vibe, especially when you have Karen in the mix. I also enjoy that, as much as Matt tries to keep Frank from doing his Punisher thing, he's more just annoyed at this point than actually angry or horrified. Its more like he's annoyed that Frank ate the last donut in the breakroom, not that he just gutted another corrupt cop again. 

it does feel pretty great watching Frank beat down all of his creepy cop fanboys, its insanely brutal but after all of the shit they've pulled it still felt rather cathartic. These cops really are not only evil but stupid, yeah of course he's going to break that stupid guards arm the second he gets a chance, how do they still have no clue who this guy is?  

Hopefully next season, Matt's army grows a lot more, perhaps some more people who can...Defend the city?

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Winston Wolfe

Winston Wolfe

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On 4/17/2025 at 11:14 AM, lovett1979 said:

I live in Brooklyn. I grocery shop in Red Hook all the time. It is by the water and probably used to be a shipping center. Now there's a cruise ship dock, and an Ikea. It's so funny to me that it's been such an important part of this show's plot.

I was born and raised in Brooklyn (now in nearby NJ) and get homesick every now and then. I can remember when no one wanted to live in Red Hook because of the Housing Projects, which were a hotbed of crime, sadly.

We probably both shopped at the old Fairways Supermarket in Red Hook (now called Gowanus, LOL), before it was basically wrecked by Superstorm Sandy...

Back to DD, a year's wait for the next season is going to be rough...

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Ottis

Ottis

On 4/16/2025 at 3:57 AM, dwmarch said:

Overall, the thing that I didn't like about this season was that it was easy to tell that it was six episodes made by one team with three more episodes stitched around them made by a completely different team.

And both teams were spectacularly dull. Gosh, Matt, glad that DD has figured out that the city is in trouble in ep 9 - something the rest of us knew in ep 1 or 2. We have been waiting ever since.

On 4/16/2025 at 8:33 AM, KittenPokerCheater said:

Also- the Gallo thing was over the top.  I am NOT a fan of going that far.

They needed to show (yawn) that Kingpin was back, so they did. I was surprised at how anticlimactic that was.

On 4/16/2025 at 9:59 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

Other than seeing Krysten Ritter again I am good with no defenders.  The Netflix versions of Luke Cage and Iron Fist both sucked. Instead why not get Kate Bishop to help rescue her almost step-dad. Or Ms. Marvel to help out as a returned favour. Or get Matt to call his friend Jennifer Walters and get her on a plane.

I actually would prefer just DD take on Fisk, with help from his sidekicks in the real world (using the law). I though DD was smarter than he evidently is.

On 4/22/2025 at 10:00 PM, tennisgurl said:

This season overall has been very good, if extremely grim, but the last few episodes have gone a bit off the rails.

Well, aside from the fact that very little happened. We knew the first two eps that Fisk would become Kingpin and Matt would become DD. Then we had to wait ... and wait ... and wait ... to get to where we should have started.

 

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