S18.E17: A Match Made in Scandal

[starlightlost]

6 hours ago, Retired at last said:

Does anyone know how many more shows we have? I know that at the last AP, Keisha said they would be back in 3 weeks, so I think they are back next week? She did say it would be after D Day. I am just mostly curious about the 90-day reunion. I wish they would have done a REAL reunion since the show was filmed so long ago. I hope we get true updates. Why? I have no idea!

18. New Love Is in the Air

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Mar 4, 2025

Lifetime · 7 PM CT

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One couple navigates their new shared life together, while our divorcees return to single life; as some wrestle with betrayal and disappointment, others find solace in each other and one finds love where they least expected it

 

So I'm guessing we get to see more of David and Madison (yay 🙄), and I think they show Em getting engaged to someone else.

 

Google says there will be 21 episodes total. As we all know how they love to drag this out as long as they can..

Edited March 1 by starlightlost

[Gator Stud]

11 hours ago, atomic said:

I think what men like is just different than women. I personally find Madison to be the least attractive woman on the cast, but this isn't the first time a man on here said Madison is hotter than Michelle. 

Its not even that.  The guys are right.  Scientifically, symmetry has a lot to do with Beauty.  Madison is far more symmetrical than Michelle even though some people feel she looks manly.  I dont agree.  I wont pick on people's looks, but Madison's complexion is better than Michelle's.  Her hair is better too, though the extensions seem a bit much.  The Satanic makeup didnt look great but sent the right message.

[Crashcourse]

I think Michelle is more attractive than Madison, but Michelle needs to work on her skin.  Looks aside, she also needs to work on her personality because she comes off as being constantly suspicious.  As I posted earlier, God forbid the guy comes home late from work or gets stuck in traffic.  She'd grill him and want to see his phone to look for any calls or texts.  

Edited March 1 by Crashcourse

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Gator Stud said:

Its not even that.  The guys are right.  Scientifically, symmetry has a lot to do with Beauty.  Madison is far more symmetrical than Michelle even though some people feel she looks manly.  I dont agree.  I wont pick on people's looks, but Madison's complexion is better than Michelle's.  Her hair is better too, though the extensions seem a bit much.  The Satanic makeup didnt look great but sent the right message.

There is no right or wrong when it comes to beauty. So I'm not going to say you're wrong about finding Madison pretty, but I just strongly disagree. Her whole look is achieved through loads of fakeness and she looks closer to 40 than 30 (not shocking with the amount of drinking and partying she does). She's really nothing to write home about when you look at her in a more natural state.

[JayDub1987]

When the season started, I thought Madison was an absolute smokeshow. Her and Camille were the most attractive IMO. But Madison's makeup on that last episode looked like something from some odd clown-prostitute cosplay. 

[Hip-to-be-Square]

I think that Michelle looks pretty.  She has nice hooded-eyes, good brows, nice cheekbones, I like that I can see her skin through her makeup. She has a feminine and pretty face.  Madison's eyebrows are a little too harsh- very dark, angled high on the brow bone and drawn on.  I'm not really a fan of the expressionless Botox foreheads and long fake eyelashes on Madison and Emem. 

Edited March 1 by Hip-to-be-Square

[Elizzikra]

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she took off her top in front of everyone.

I don't recall that and I don't know that anyone else does either. As close as we have come to documenting this is noting that Karla tends to wear low cut tops and no bra. 

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I thought Madison was an absolute smokeshow

Serious question - is "smoke show" a good thing?

[Elizzikra]

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I dont judge her for that;.. But Karla likes to show her body to others.  I think that is fine.  But not if she is all high and mighty to Madison and David. 

See that is judging someone - she can't wear low cut tops and/or go topless and be "high and mighty" about cheating being wrong? She can think cheating is wrong if she is covered neck to toes all the time or she can think cheating is just fine and show a little boob sometimes? Nothing in between?

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Why would anybody hand this crazy gaslighter their phone?  Don't demand that I answer questions, and then immediately accuse me of lying.  Michelle is so stupid that she STILL cant figure out when David is lying. David is an astonishing bad liar. Watch his facial expression right before he tells the first lie.  If he played Poker, I would take everything from him- including the bar. Hes lied about other things, but not the things he is being accused of. 

I don't care whether David shows anyone his phone or not (he wouldn't show it to Pastor Cal either). The point is that he acts as though there is no way to prove he is telling the truth except for someone to choose to believe him. That's not the case; he could provide evidence that he was telling the truth if he actually were honest. He was lying (and undoubtedly there was proof of that on his phone).

He was accused of sending a sexual/flirting text. Michelle accused him of that. He lied and said it was to his cousin, about food. 

Michelle is not stupid. She knew David was lying and she was pissed that he wouldn't ever take accountability. She never liked David and she never really gave him a chance but he repeatedly asked her to be honest and she was. He wasn't.

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I loved how she attacked MichelleMichelle asked who he sent the text to. He lied and said it was some woman on Tinder. 

I thought it was tacky and ignorant. Mature and intelligent women don't settle things with fake bravado and vague threats of physical violence.

[Gator Stud]

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

I don't care whether David shows anyone his phone or not (he wouldn't show it to Pastor Cal either). The point is that he acts as though there is no way to prove he is telling the truth except for someone to choose to believe him. That's not the case; he could provide evidence that he was telling the truth if he actually were honest. He was lying (and undoubtedly there was proof of that on his phone).

He was accused of sending a sexual/flirting text. Michelle accused him of that. He lied and said it was to his cousin, about food. 

You know what?  Michelle can eat shit.  Nobody is buying her fake bullshit, like she ever cared about him or was attracted to him. She deserved to get embarrassed by David. She should try treating people nicely if she wants to keep a man. But she cant do that even after 7 years of being single?  Why do you think that is?

1 hour ago, Elizzikra said:

See that is judging someone - she can't wear low cut tops and/or go topless and be "high and mighty" about cheating being wrong? She can think cheating is wrong if she is covered neck to toes all the time or she can think cheating is just fine and show a little boob sometimes? Nothing in between?

I dont judge her for her topless kink or for her flashing, but like if she did that stuff on my honeymoon, I would not be married to her.  But if her man agrees with that, then that is ok. Also, there was no proven cheating.  So I dont know why people invent things that are not true.  Maybe next week there will be proof, but so far I have not seen any.  Karla is not high and mighty.  She is envious.

[starlightlost]

11 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Serious question - is "smoke show" a good thing?

My 16 year old daughter says yes lol

[Elizzikra]

9 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

So I dont know why people invent things that are not true. 

I don’t know either. If only someone who invented things that are not true was here to enlighten us.

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Also, there was no proven cheating. 

If by “cheating” you mean sex, no we have no proof of that. If by cheating you mean “flirting,” “sexting” and “catching feelings” then there’s plenty of proof, including their own admissions.

[Jeanne222]

On 2/27/2025 at 7:08 PM, DrewPaul2010 said:

He's not innocent as he should have intervened and called her out for allegedly hanging out with her friends. He should have seen the writing on the wall and confronted it. But I didn't observe him drooling over Madison I observed a man who accepted that she is his wife and they are supposed to work on being a happily married couple. I think had he been matched with Michelle who isn't quite as attractive he would have approached it same way. They didn't even as much as kiss after the wedding.

Had he been matched with Michelle...another shit show  about something she didn't like.  His teeth, his clothes. It would have been something!  Count on it.

[Retired at last]

14 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

But Madison's makeup on that last episode looked like something from some odd clown-prostitute cosplay. 

Apparently, this was filmed around Halloween a long time ago and she went directly from the filming to a party. Is anyone surprised? I think that may be why Pia was wearing that hideous purple lipstick? 

[Elizzikra]

1 hour ago, Retired at last said:

Apparently, this was filmed around Halloween a long time ago and she went directly from the filming to a party. Is anyone surprised? I think that may be why Pia was wearing that hideous purple lipstick? 

I still don’t get what she was supposed to be though? It’s not such a great costume if no one can figure it out.

[atomic]

Probably the devil like I speculated earlier. She probably had the horns in the car that she threw on later. Or...she's just trying to save face since everyone is roasting her now, when at the time she really thought she was looking smoking hot for Allen to eat his heart out lol.

[Elizzikra]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

Probably the devil like I speculated earlier. She probably had the horns in the car that she threw on later. Or...she's just trying to save face since everyone is roasting her now, when at the time she really thought she was looking smoking hot for Allen to eat his heart out lol.

Maybe but no horns? No pitchfork? Just a red dress and clashing pink eye shadow??? Maybe she left the accessories in the care for the loft “party?”

[JayDub1987]

16 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

Serious question - is "smoke show" a good thing?

Yes, it's a compliment. 

13 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

I dont judge her for her topless kink or for her flashing, but like if she did that stuff on my honeymoon, I would not be married to her.  But if her man agrees with that, then that is ok. Also, there was no proven cheating.  So I dont know why people invent things that are not true.  Maybe next week there will be proof, but so far I have not seen any.  Karla is not high and mighty.  She is envious.

You don't know why people invent things that aren't true, and yet you've concocted an entire "topless kink" for one of the cast members. At this point, these posts read more like a bad troll attempt than anything. 

[Gator Stud]

50 minutes ago, JayDub1987 said:

Yes, it's a compliment. 

You don't know why people invent things that aren't true, and yet you've concocted an entire "topless kink" for one of the cast members. At this point, these posts read more like a bad troll attempt than anything. 

She literally said she like to go topless around people.  It was the first honeymoon episode where they were swimming together.  Like I said, I dont judge, but is that the thing people do on their honeymoons?  I dont understand the personal attacks.  I dont have TIME to troll people.  Trolling is not my kink.

[Elizzikra]

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Like I said, I dont judge, but is that the thing people do on their honeymoons?

Dude. Saying "is that the thing people do on their honeymoons" IS judging them. Or perhaps you just have a completely different definition of the word.

[Gator Stud]

28 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Dude. Saying "is that the thing people do on their honeymoons" IS judging them. Or perhaps you just have a completely different definition of the word.

I told you that I dont care about nudity or judge for that reason.  But you want to make it sound normal.  Like its normal to take your close off in front of new people on your honeymoon.  Like a person can do whatever they want without talking it over with their spouse.  Any man who objects is automatically a misogynist and slut-shaming because he disagrees with his new wife.  That is not what a marriage is about.  That is single life.

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

I told you that I dont care about nudity or judge for that reason.  But you want to make it sound normal.  Like its normal to take your close off in front of new people on your honeymoon.  Like a person can do whatever they want without talking it over with their spouse.  Any man who objects is automatically a misogynist and slut-shaming because he disagrees with his new wife.  That is not what a marriage is about.  That is single life.

Calling it "abnormal" is judgmental. 

My husband would say that it's my body, ergo my choice. I don't tell him what to do with his body either. That is what marriages between two loving and respectful adults is about.

[Chatty Cake]

21 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Had he been matched with Michelle...another shit show  about something she didn't like.  His teeth, his clothes. It would have been something!  Count on it.

Michelle asked for a light skinned black guy so I don’t think she would have given him a chance at all. 
I didn’t think Allen was that handsome initially but he grew on me.  Plus he has a lot of other good qualities. 

14 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

I told you that I dont care about nudity or judge for that reason.  But you want to make it sound normal.  Like it’s normal to take your close off in front of new people on your honeymoon.  Like a person can do whatever they want without talking it over with their spouse.  Any man who objects is automatically a misogynist and slut-shaming because he disagrees with his new wife.  That is not what a marriage is about.  That is single life.

 I agree. I would not be comfortable if I was part of a group outing and another wife took her top off. I don’t want to see anyone else breasts and most men don’t want to see that in the presences of their wives. David would probably be okay with it but he’s a pig who doesn’t care about acting decently.

[Retired at last]

If anyone knew Karla, they would be unfazed by her showing her body because that is who she is. Besides, would anyone be impressed by her chest? Seriously. She has a great figure in clothes but when she wears skimpy clothes, there is NOTHING there to gawk at.

[Gator Stud]

4 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I agree. I would not be comfortable if I was part of a group outing and another wife took her top off. I don’t want to see anyone else breasts and most men don’t want to see that in the presences of their wives. David would probably be okay with it but he’s a pig who doesn’t care about acting decently.

Correct. And that is not what I am even judgeing her over.  I am judging her over being fake and judgmental. Karla is Michelle's Ride or Die.  They both are fake.  Karla was upset that her man friendzoned her and that Madison messed up the new friendship ring.  They were supposed to be friends for life, but David and Madison blew that up. So Karla is on the warpath. 

[atomic]

David's boobs are bigger than Karla's and nobody is losing their shit over him going topless on the boat and paddleboarding with Michelle. Also, for the last time, Karla did not go topless on the honeymoon. She said on Afterparty that she travels to Europe a lot and does go topless there, but didn't do it on the honeymoon. So she does seem to take into account the cultural norms and company she's with rather than just going topless without reading the room.

I've also never gotten jealous vibes from Karla. It was mentioned in the last episode that Madison was her closest girlfriend of the group, so I have no idea where Michelle being her ride-or-die came from. She straight up called Michelle a bitch on the Afterparty when they played a clip of Michelle being rude to David. And there was another time on Afterparty where she told Michelle to her face that she understood David looking elsewhere for affection under those circumstances. She's someone who unapologetically tells it like it is, which is the complete opposite of fake. 

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[Chatty Cake]

15 minutes ago, Gator Stud said:

Correct. And that is not what I am even judgeing her over.  I am judging her over being fake and judgmental. Karla is Michelle's Ride or Die.  They both are fake.  Karla was upset that her man friendzoned her and that Madison messed up the new friendship ring.  They were supposed to be friends for life, but David and Madison blew that up. So Karla is on the warpath. 

Yeah, all Karla’s spiritual stuff is a bunch of bull crap. However, even though she preaches all that nonsense and wears too revealing of tops, I felt it was fine of her to let Madison know that she was messed up. Taking up with David while keeping Allen hanging at the slightest chance was dirty. While nobody got time for Michelle being a victim, Madison was acting friendly towards her knowing she had the hots for her husband. Juan pretty much told David the same thing but his demeanor was friendlier than Karla’s was. 

[Elizzikra]

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Yeah, all Karla’s spiritual stuff is a bunch of bull crap.

To you maybe, but I think she genuinely believes it. And it's no crazier than what people in any number of other mainstream religions believe.

[Chatty Cake]

4 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

To you maybe, but I think she genuinely believes it. And it's no crazier than what people in any number of other mainstream religions believe.

I’m not sure she really believes in that or uses it as a way to avoid having a job.

[JayDub1987]

On 3/1/2025 at 3:43 PM, Gator Stud said:

She literally said she like to go topless around people.  It was the first honeymoon episode where they were swimming together.  Like I said, I dont judge, but is that the thing people do on their honeymoons?  I dont understand the personal attacks.  I dont have TIME to troll people.  Trolling is not my kink.

So she said she likes being topless? Because that’s quite different from your posts over the last 2 episodes where you said that she went topless. 

You know, words and actions…

[Jeanne222]

11 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I’m not sure she really believes in that or uses it as a way to avoid having a job.

Oh I think Karla is full on in her beliefs.  She loves reading the cards, banging the gong and Saging her living spaces.

Yes she'd take her clothes off.  Nothing sexual being meant by her nude body just her own freedom of movement and body.

I think if there had been any sexual attraction between Karla and Juan it could have been a good match.  She would have lightened him up a bit and maybe he could have taken her down from the clouds a bit.  I bet she's good at what she does at work just not diligent.

[Elizzikra]

16 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I’m not sure she really believes in that or uses it as a way to avoid having a job.

I guess there is no way for us to know. She just struck me as pretty genuine in her beliefs. I don’t know that it was her beliefs that led to the loss of her job as much as it’s her “free spirit” and her “inability to be managed.” I think she is flighty in a lot of ways, not just the woo-woo religious stuff.

[Gator Stud]

16 hours ago, JayDub1987 said:

So she said she likes being topless? Because that’s quite different from your posts over the last 2 episodes where you said that she went topless. 

You know, words and actions…

I'm not changing what I said.  That episode is still around.  I have it on my DVR. 

On 3/2/2025 at 10:19 AM, atomic said:

She said on Afterparty that she travels to Europe a lot and does go topless there, but didn't do it on the honeymoon.

I was not talking about the Afterparty. I was talking about the actual episode where she was swimming around folks.

[Gator Stud]

20 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

I’m not sure she really believes in that or uses it as a way to avoid having a job.

I know true believers.  That's why I think she is fake.  My family and friends are into this stuff their entire life.  As in living in India but being White. And memorizing the Bhagavad Gita or opening yoga studios doing teacher training. Or memorizing the mantras or becoming Reikimasters or doing cacao ceremonies in some jungle.

Maybe Karla thinks she is believing, but this is not what it looks like.  Post- Vedic literature would be strongly against the flashing, as would Bhakti-Yoga traditions.  Even the Tantra Yoga scene was off.  The incense that they had in that Pilates studio was embarrassing and toxic. I would say Karla is more a believer in the Cargo Cult. But she would never make it if she had to follow any of this stuff. 

 

On 3/2/2025 at 12:19 PM, Elizzikra said:

And it's no crazier than what people in any number of other mainstream religions believe.

Yes, I do agree with this. Some of the stuff I may believe in. 

[Elizzikra]

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I'm not changing what I said.  That episode is still around.  I have it on my DVR. 

Feel free to post a screen shot...

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I know true believers.  That's why I think she is fake.

There are lots of variations in how individuals practice their faith. Karla may truly believe but her practice is very different from what your friends and family practice. She may cobble together different practices and beliefs from multiple faiths. I'm lapsed Catholic and my spirituality probably has some remnants of that as well as other beliefs I have developed over the years. It probably doesn't look much like other people's spirituality but it doesn't mean that I don't truly believe what I believe.

[princelina]

15 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Oh I think Karla is full on in her beliefs.  She loves reading the cards, banging the gong and Saging her living spaces.

Yes she'd take her clothes off.  Nothing sexual being meant by her nude body just her own freedom of movement and body.

I think if there had been any sexual attraction between Karla and Juan it could have been a good match.  She would have lightened him up a bit and maybe he could have taken her down from the clouds a bit.  I bet she's good at what she does at work just not diligent.

I believed she loved doing the things and presenting herself in a certain way; I'm not sure what her actual "beliefs" are.  (I taught yoga in a typical modern studio for a couple years - people in that world enjoy acting a little "woo woo", as it's called, without actually committing to worldview-type "beliefs".  I always liked Karla better than Juan, but I agree they could have made a nice couple.  

[DrewPaul2010]

On 2/28/2025 at 5:41 PM, Crashcourse said:

I think Michelle is more attractive than Madison, but Michelle needs to work on her skin.  Looks aside, she also needs to work on her personality because she comes off as being constantly suspicious.  As I posted earlier, God forbid the guy comes home late from work or gets stuck in traffic.  She'd grill him and want to see his phone to look for any calls or texts.  

A lot of how we perceive someone visually depends on the circumstances of the person. Michelle was either ticked off, irritated or upset almost the entire time. We didn't get to see her joyful, playful having fun or laughing. No moments of romance or affection. For the most part she had a frown or scowl on her face and a furrowed brow. Under better circumstances with a smile and affection in her eyes she would be a lot more appealing and considered prettier than Madison. If anyone deserves a redo its Michelle and Allen but I doubt either would trust someone to find a mate for them. 

Its not always the fault of the experts. Many of the couples lie about themselves. The saying be true to thy self doesn't apply to them. They assure the 'experts' they'll commit to their mate even if not initially attracted. Yet many throw in the towel from the get go and put no effort in.

[seacliffsal]

This 'scandal' caused me to wonder what would the outcome be if the 'experts' picked the 10 individuals they thought were best suited to being married at first sight and just let them choose amongst themselves to whom they wanted to be married.  Even let them just hang out one evening and then indicate to whom they interested. Would results be different?  Would Madison and David have chosen each other? Don't know, but the results could not possibly be worse.

[DrewPaul2010]

1 hour ago, seacliffsal said:

This 'scandal' caused me to wonder what would the outcome be if the 'experts' picked the 10 individuals they thought were best suited to being married at first sight and just let them choose amongst themselves to whom they wanted to be married.  Even let them just hang out one evening and then indicate to whom they interested. Would results be different?  Would Madison and David have chosen each other? Don't know, but the results could not possibly be worse.

The experts are only about as good as the people they choose are truly honest. Some sincerely lie, they believe they are a better person than they actually are. They convince themselves they will accept and work on the marriage arranged for them no matter who is chosen. Some get angry because the show reveals who they really are...a shallow person. None more so than Madison who but David treated all with utter contempt and disrespect. Yet I suspect she's rationalized every last bit and still thinks she is an honest sincere person. Does anyone believe she was a hurting human longing for the security of marriage and children? She ended up picking the exact opposite of what she claimed she was looking for. 

[Gator Stud]

On 3/3/2025 at 4:46 PM, Elizzikra said:

Feel free to post a screen shot...

There are lots of variations in how individuals practice their faith. Karla may truly believe but her practice is very different from what your friends and family practice. She may cobble together different practices and beliefs from multiple faiths. I'm lapsed Catholic and my spirituality probably has some remnants of that as well as other beliefs I have developed over the years. It probably doesn't look much like other people's spirituality but it doesn't mean that I don't truly believe what I believe.

She is superficial and has done no serious study of what she claims to believe.  I know and academic who has actually studied these people and these practices- Amanda Lucia.  She wrote a book- White Eutopias that discusses this on a much deeper level.  My first time chanting and doing yoga was when I was five.  I also lived in India for 3 years in an ashram as a teenager, and was fluent in Sanskrit. She kinda just does the flowery, "safe space" lingo, like most. It seems fake to me. Maybe she thinks she believes it, thought she doesnt understand it.

https://www.ucpress.edu/books/white-utopias/paper

If you want to see what a true believer looks like, here you go.  I think some of these people go too far the other way.  But they are dedicated to the cause.

https://www.bhaktifest.com/

[Elizzikra]

11 minutes ago, Gator Stud said:

She is superficial and has done no serious study of what she claims to believe.  I know and academic who has actually studied these people and these practices- Amanda Lucia.  She wrote a book- White Eutopias that discusses this on a much deeper level.  My first time chanting and doing yoga was when I was five.  I also lived in India for 3 years in an ashram as a teenager, and was fluent in Sanskrit. She kinda just does the flowery, "safe space" lingo, like most. It seems fake to me. Maybe she thinks she believes it, thought she doesnt understand it.

https://www.ucpress.edu/books/white-utopias/paper

If you want to see what a true believer looks like, here you go.  I think some of these people go too far the other way.  But they are dedicated to the cause.

https://www.bhaktifest.com/

Right. Not my point.  There are Catholics who use birth control. There are probably Jews who eat pork and Hindis that eat beef. That doesn’t meant they don’t truly believe what they believe. Karla isn’t a strict adherent to what you think  are the tenets of her faith (though I don’t believe she ever mentioned a specific faith or organized religious group to which she belongs). That doesn’t mean she is “fake” or doesn’t genuinely believe what she has decided to believe.

[Gator Stud]

4 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Right. Not my point.  There are Catholics who use birth control. There are probably Jews who eat pork and Hindis that eat beef. That doesn’t meant they don’t truly believe what they believe. Karla isn’t a strict adherent to what you think  are the tenets of her faith (though I don’t believe she ever mentioned a specific faith or organized religious group to which she belongs). That doesn’t mean she is “fake” or doesn’t genuinely believe what she has decided to believe.

I'm not talking strict.  I'm talking basic knowledge.  If I said I was a Catholic and that Catholics eat meat during Lent, then sure, I can SAY I believe in Catholicism, but what do actually know? Like if a vegetarian Hindu (Hindus can be nonveg too), starts eating meat, at least she knows that violates the tenants, but she doesnt care.  Thats different than not knowing anything but pretending you do.  She paints herself as the expert.

[Elizzikra]

3 hours ago, Gator Stud said:

I'm not talking strict.  I'm talking basic knowledge.  If I said I was a Catholic and that Catholics eat meat during Lent, then sure, I can SAY I believe in Catholicism, but what do actually know? Like if a vegetarian Hindu (Hindus can be nonveg too), starts eating meat, at least she knows that violates the tenants, but she doesnt care.  Thats different than not knowing anything but pretending you do.  She paints herself as the expert.

I don’t think that she has ever claimed to be an expert about anything, though she did say she was a yoga instructor. I think she just talked about what she believes. She could also believe that water is dry and grass is purple. That would demonstrate a lack of basic knowledge but she could still genuinely believe those things. 

Bottom line, I think Karla is flighty and sort of woo woo about a lot of things, but I don’t find her to be fake. She might have been one of the ones this season who was most genuinely herself, which revealed pretty quickly that Juan was not the guy for her.

And Catholics do eat meat during Lent, but not on Ash Wednesday and Fridays.

[Gator Stud]

6 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

And Catholics do eat meat during Lent, but not on Ash Wednesday and Fridays.

See.   That is exactly my point.  I'm not Catholic so I dont know shit about it, except I know who the Pope is and the order of succession. Karla said several things about the practice that were not accurate.  But if you didnt know that, she sounded great!  I've been to gurus where it was clear they didnt know anything, but talked the flowy talk. Anyways, I'm going to stop beating up on Karla and watch the new episode. I hear Emem finally found her true soulmate. Is there anybody ok on this season? 

[JenE4]

I mean, I think Karla definitely has her own set of beliefs. She’s all about “energy healing” and “sound baths” but I don’t think that has anything to do with Buddhism or Hinduism, as far as she’s practicing. Remember the honeymoons when she was talking about absorbing each other’s life forces during sex?!? I’m not aware of any religious dogma or doctrine that mentions vaginas absorbing your partner’s energy from his “magic wand.” 🤷‍♀️ maybe the mythic succubus?!? I don’t think Pastor Cal is testing these people on world religions. It’s not that serious. She’s just into certain things as her hobbies and interests and what she probably views as a healthful and mindful way of living, like Madison is really into exercise. Frankly, being Latina, Karla is most likely Catholic. That doesn’t mean she can’t be into the mindful or trendy woo-woo stuff, too. I know lots of people who lean that way as a lifestyle, but can be any or no religion.

Edited Thursday at 12:43 AM by JenE4

[Hip-to-be-Square]

Red flags aplenty with Emem's lightning-fast new engagement:

She should break it off and go to therapy to work through issues.  The wrong guys can sense desperation and say all of the right things to get a woman to let her guard down.  I don't think that this will end well. It's all moving too fast and she should get to know him better. 

Edited Thursday at 02:38 AM by Hip-to-be-Square
Edited my post since it was a little too long.

[Elizzikra]

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She should break it off and go to therapy to work through issues.  The wrong guys can sense desperation and say all of the right things to get a woman to let her guard down.  I don't think that this will end well. 

At a bare minimum, if she is looking forward to wearing a ring and planning a wedding, have a long engagement. Unfortunately, on AfterParty is really sounded like she is getting married again before the ink is dry on both sets of divorce papers.

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He's living on his sister's couch and has two kids to support. Emem's super expensive and large apartment is certainly an upgrade from his circumstances. 

Obviously we don't know much about him (hell, Emem doesn't know much about him) but he said he is a firefighter (not necessarily high-paying, but decent benefits) and also has a real estate license. He may actually have a decent income and who knows what his former wife might do for a living. Divorce is expensive and kids are expensive but I don't get the sense this guy is a slacker. I wonder if Emem owns her home or rents. Either way, it's plush.

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11 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

At a bare minimum, if she is looking forward to wearing a ring and planning a wedding, have a long engagement. Unfortunately, on AfterParty is really sounded like she is getting married again before the ink is dry on both sets of divorce papers.

Obviously we don't know much about him (hell, Emem doesn't know much about him) but he said he is a firefighter (not necessarily high-paying, but decent benefits) and also has a real estate license. He may actually have a decent income and who knows what his former wife might do for a living. Divorce is expensive and kids are expensive but I don't get the sense this guy is a slacker. I wonder if Emem owns her home or rents. Either way, it's plush.

I commend him for being a first responder and getting his real estate license- that's great, and he could have a great income. My main concerns are that he's talking in a very scripted and overly romantic way to her and the relationship is moving too fast. They're both working through divorces and the engagement seems like an impulsive decision.   Emem said on the Afterparty that she doesn't know him, but she knows the way he makes her feel 🤔. Strong feelings can cloud or override intuition and rational thought. 

[Elizzikra]

46 minutes ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

I commend him for being a first responder and getting his real estate license- that's great, and he could have a great income. My main concerns are that he's talking in a very scripted and overly romantic way to her and the relationship is moving too fast. They're both working through divorces and the engagement seems like an impulsive decision.   Emem said on the Afterparty that she doesn't know him, but she knows the way he makes her feel 🤔. Strong feelings can cloud or override intuition and rational thought. 

Completely agree. I'm thrilled she is feeling happiness but I wish she would give it time.

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16 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

Completely agree. I'm thrilled she is feeling happiness but I wish she would give it time.

Yep! I think that Emem should make this a yearlong engagement at least. People are on their best behavior at the beginning of relationships- Emem and Brandon really need to get to know each other better before they get married. 

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HER divorce should go pretty quickly, but who knows how complicated his will be and how the ex-wife feels about it. She may want to cash in now that he is on the verge of being a reality star (ha!).