Beyond the Gates: Daily Episode Discussion

[Rodney]

Holy fuck.  I didn't see that one coming!  So not a secret love-child, but there was a fourth girl, Barbara, who was thrown out of the group and wound up so depressed about it, she committed suicide!  That's fucked up on Anita's part!  If that's the case, then no wonder Sharon and Tracy were angry for so long!

Tomas gave Kat some good advice today.  It's just a matter of whether or not she follows it.

It was good to see Ashley and Derek interact with somebody other than Andre today.  Jen Jacob actually stepped it up in the scenes with Leslie.  I actually bought Ashley's hatred for Leslie.  Ben Gavin actually stepped up for Derek, too, especially when he threatened to carry Leslie out of Orphey Gene's.

So Naomi finally knows about Hayley's pregnancy.  And she was just as disgusted as Chelsea was.  But she and Hayley are both concerned about Bill having another episode.

Dani and Andre avoided the decision of their relationship for now, but they can't forever.

Another good show today.

Edited June 9 by Rodney

[drivethroo]

Looks like Barbara killed herself over Dante and Anita's shenanigans.

I would've thought Chelsea would've told Naomi about Hayley having a baby. 

Does Eva know Ashley?  We know Leslie knows Ashley but did Eva know Ashley?

Dani has got to stop being obsessive over what Bill & Hayley got going on.  Her being pregnant or not is Bill's problem, not hers.

LOL @ Kat thinking the true crime podcast knows better than actual lawyers and cops about how things work.

Bill needs to stop being obsessed with Dani and the Duprees too. Loved Naomi and Hayley just standing there like DUUUUUUH instead of calling 911.

The show should actually have a 3rd love interest for Andre and that love interest needs to be Shanice (although I think Shanice has good chemistry with Doug).

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I was also hoping we would get some kind of Jack & Jill references or maybe a debutante ball for Samantha at some point.

They would have to lightly refer to it because those organizations don't want to be mentioned by name...We can infer Nicole is a member of Delta Sigma Theta because she made an off hand remark about liking/collecting elephants and we know Naomi is in a sorority as well. Dani & Chelsea are not in any sorority to my knowledge because neither one went to college (to my knowledge) but Kat seems like she would've been a debutante, all up in Jack & Jill and in a sorority.

Edited June 3 by drivethroo

[YaddaYadda]

I didn't watch today yet, but the squirrely server at the club, same guy who was at Orphee Gene's watching Jan, right?

[Rodney]

5 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I didn't watch today yet, but the squirrely server at the club, same guy who was at Orphee Gene's watching Jan, right?

Yes.

[Badsamaritan]

If Barbara got kicked out the group before they took off, then what happened is on ALL of them, not just Anita. Whether Sharon and Tracy actually said 'get the fuck out' doesn't matter, they too went along with it. It feels like they're blaming Anita for everything because they don't want to look at their own roles and decisions. It's easier to just be mad at and blame Anita than taking responsibility for their own choices to go along. Otherwise, it makes no sense that there was already a 4th member who was there when they started hitting big, and there hasn't been a single mention. Sure seems like Sharon and Tracy didn’t have a problem kicking out Barbara, at least at first. They could've stuck with Barbara and told Dante Green and Anita to kick rocks, they'd start another group. But that doesn't appear to be what happened. No, they chose the deal with the devil, then got mad when the devil screwed them over. 

Ashley and Derek's scenes with Leslie were the most I've ever liked them ever. And Leslie is working my nerves with this Ms Innocent act, like she actually cares about anybody else besides herself and Ted. Ain't nobody buying it, I wish she'd stop tryna sell it. 😑

[TVForever]

On 5/27/2025 at 9:10 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

Is Hayley incredibly tiny or is Bill extremely tall? 

Both, I think. He was head and shoulders above almost everyone on Queen Sugar too. But Hayley is awfully tiny all on her own. I think the casting was probably deliberately done to emphasize their May-December nature, but to me she seems almost childlike next to him.

Edited June 3 by TVForever

[JAYJAY1979]

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Does Eva know Ashley?  We know Leslie knows Ashley but did Eva know Ashley?

The show should actually have a 3rd love interest for Andre and that love interest needs to be Shanice (although I think Shanice has good chemistry with Doug).

1) Ashley and Eva know one another.  When Ashley was starting her 1st day at the hospital...Leslie/Eva/Jan came to the hospital to wish her well and Eva revealed she wished her career was in a better place like Ashley's.

Another time Ashley and Eva had a scene at the nurses station where Ashley found out Eva got a temp job with Nicole and expressed how much she'd enjoy working with Nicole.  

Those are the only two scenes Ashley and Eva have had that I can recall.

2) Shanice had chemistry with Andre, Doug, and Derek in her 1:1 scenes with them.

[Rodney]

1 hour ago, Badsamaritan said:

If Barbara got kicked out the group before they took off, then what happened is on ALL of them, not just Anita. Whether Sharon and Tracy actually said 'get the fuck out' doesn't matter, they too went along with it. It feels like they're blaming Anita for everything because they don't want to look at their own roles and decisions. It's easier to just be mad at and blame Anita than taking responsibility for their own choices to go along.

It sounds to me like Barbara forgave them because they didn't make the choice.  It sounds like Dante made the call and Anita went along with it.  At the time it happened, Sharon and Tracy were probably more comforting to Barbara, as well as warmer about it.  To hear Barbara's letter, it sounds like Anita was the coldest and cruelest about the whole thing.

[drivethroo]

7 hours ago, Rodney said:

Jen Jacob actually stepped it up in the scenes with Leslie.  I actually bought Ashley's hatred for Leslie.  Ben Gavin actually stepped up for Derek, too, especially when he threatened to carry Leslie out of Orphey Gene's.

I think Ashley and Derek need to interact with other characters because they bring out the worst in each other.

6 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

I didn't watch today yet, but the squirrely server at the club, same guy who was at Orphee Gene's watching Jan, right?

Same guy but he wasn't watching Jan, he was watching Martin and Vernon.

5 hours ago, Badsamaritan said:

If Barbara got kicked out the group before they took off, then what happened is on ALL of them, not just Anita. Whether Sharon and Tracy actually said 'get the fuck out' doesn't matter, they too went along with it.

Anita did something so foul that not even Vernon knows what she did (and probably wouldn't have married her if he had known).  I don't think this is a case of Anita supported Barbara being thrown out of the group so she killed herself or Barbara had to go, Sharon & Tracy supported the decision but put all the blame and responsibility on Anita.  Anita did something that led to the demise of Barbara.

4 hours ago, Rodney said:

To hear Barbara's letter, it sounds like Anita was the coldest and cruelest about the whole thing.

Especially since apparently Barbara started The Articulettes in the first place. 

I think Anita went above and beyond just supporting Barbara being kicked out or being cold and cruel about it.

Sharon noted Anita became fine and fancy as if she had lived in Fairmont Crest all her life and pointed out Vernon didn't know what she did.  I think Anita Williams transforming into Anita Dupree had a lot to do with Barbara's demise and why Sharon & Tracy aren't here for Anita.

[Rodney]

3 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Same guy but he wasn't watching Jan, he was watching Martin and Vernon.

He was watching all three -- Jan first, and then Martin and Vernon after they arrived.  They even seemed to leave it ambiguous as to which party he followed after they all left.

[ByaNose]

At first, I didn’t know where the letter was going but WOW it packed a punch. It’s weird that Vernon doesn’t know any of this but it was pre Vernon so it’s not like she had to tell him anything. 

Kat is hysterical. I don’t know if Colby knew she’d being do this much comedy but she really delivers with every line and eye roll. I’m still not sold on the Tomas pairing. Unfortunately, she has more chemistry with the actors playing her brother and cousins. LOL!!!!

I’m confused about Hayley. Which sister was she friends with? 

Finally, Leslie is still cray cray. The actress plays her great but I don’t think I could take her seriously in a real romance. She is very high energy. Of course,if she was paired with someone as crazy as her it might work. 

[AnimeMania]

48 minutes ago, ByaNose said:

I’m confused about Hayley. Which sister was she friends with? 

Naomi, I was thinking that they might have went to law school together and spent lots of time studying at Naomi's house, with Bill to help out when needed. But, I am not sure how far Hayley got in her studies, since she doesn't appear to be a lawyer.

Seeing that Hayley was struggling financially, Dani got her a job at Bill's law firm.

[AnimeMania]

S01.E66: Wednesday, June 4, 2025
S01.E67 (Canada)

[Rodney]

So Bill is taken to the hospital like he really should be.  And it turns out that he had a mini-stroke.  But he won't stay in the hospital, per Doug's advice, since he is so afraid of hospitals.

One thing is for sure.  Dani and Bill still have their bond if Dani was able to talk Bill down like that.  It's clear that Hayley saw that.

Dani and Naomi's scene at the end was nice.  They look so believable as mother and daughter.

Of course, Chelsea misses the whole thing because she's more interested in making a connection with a new woman.  Sigh.

Damn.  Even Shanice hates Leslie.

Kat needs to slow her roll before she completely tanks Jacob's case against Leslie.

What did Andre get on Leslie?  Whatever it was, look out, Andre!  Leslie is dangerous!

So now Vernon finally knows about Barbara, and he can't get Anita to forgive herself for it.  And the Articulette reunion is off.  Even though Sharon wants to use it to reignite her career.  Something Tracy is not too keen on seeing her do.

Nice episode today.

Edited June 4 by Rodney

[ShadowHunter]

Leslie is popping up all over the place. I admire her energy because I am getting tired. 

Bill and Dani were good today. They both were calm especially Dani and just spoke and acted natural. In fact I really felt they were the old married couple who know one another so well. Hayley is still blah for me. I don't like nor hate her. She is just around. 

[Badsamaritan]

As I suspected, Sharon and Tracy went along with Dante Green's decisions too. And if today's convo with Sharon is any indication, seems she was just as ambitious as Anita. She sure didn't sound like she cared about Barbara all that much, just wants to get her get-back on Anita. Nobody killed Barbara but Barbara. Like Vernon said, nobody knows what her mental health situation was like even before the group. Perhaps Dante saw some instability in her but instead told the rest that he didn't think he could polish her up. Each person's demons are their own. To put all that weight on one person just doesn't sit right with me. Oh, and I heard that flirty tone in your voice to Vernon when you answered his call, Tracy. Watch yourself, now. 😒

I need to see Chelsea and Kat both doing some actual work with their business. Jacob is about sick of Kat and I don't blame him. I understand why she is so focused, Leslie is grade A, certified looney tunes and she's still a threat to her family since Leslie is still tryna get with her father. But gurl. Gurl. Leave Jacob alone, damn. 

I know Trisha Mann-Grant has chemistry with every person in the cast, the sets, her wigs, and prolly everybody behind the scenes, but they're wearing out her welcome. Why is she all up in everybody's face? It's becoming more farce than threatening. And it makes no good damn sense why these people even keep talking to her at all. They end up telling her entirely too much, shut the fuck up already. 

I hate how much chemistry Dani and Bill have. He is a terrible man and no woman should ever trust him in any way, and yet I could see the family they once had in those moments. I'm not even gonna lie, I enjoyed Hayley's stank face at the whole scene too lol. 😂

[Sake614]

Dani being so kind and supportive while Hayley quietly seethed was hysterical and I loved every second of it. Even Bill was more tolerable when Dani was there. 

I did NOT like Chelsea’s barrettes. They were much too distracting. 

Question for those who watch YR as well…was that woman Chelsea was flirting with the same actress who played Devon’s sister Ana? It looked like her but Ana had much darker skin so I’m not sure.

Kat, for the love of all that’s holy, stay in your damn lane before you ensure Leslie NEVER pays for her crimes. Just let Jacob do his job. Or if you’re that set on being a cop, go to the academy.

Glad Shanice saw through Leslie’s latest ‘disguise’. It’s high time someone did! I just wish she hadn’t told Leslie that Andre had the security footage. 

after listening to Sharon today, I’m not convinced she had nothing to do with Barbara being kicked out of the group. At the very least it doesn’t seem she did anything to stand up for Barbara. 50 odd years later and she still feels slighted by Anita’s fame. If she really thought she was all that, she should’ve gone looking for a new agent who would help her achieve the fame and stardom she still seeks. 

[TiffanyNichelle]

Sharon doesn't give a damn about Barbara's memory other than to use it as a weapon against Anita. Anita has a lot of guilt over what happened and I loved Vernon trying to get her to put that burden down. Tracy still cares and misses Barbara by saying it was supposed to be the four of them, not just the three of them. Sharon is just as ambitious as young Anita was back then. 

I love and hate when they show Bill and Dani getting along. You can had to see how they were together for so long, it wasn't all hate the whole time but I don't want Dani to use that as a reason to try to get him back. But I did love the look on Hayley's face when she watched them. Sorry not sorry Hayley but that was decades worth of connection, you can't out-do that because you're shiny and new. 

[YaddaYadda]

9 hours ago, Sake614 said:

Question for those who watch YR as well…was that woman Chelsea was flirting with the same actress who played Devon’s sister Ana? It looked like her but Ana had much darker skin so I’m not sure.

No, it's not. The last thing I saw her in was a CBC production called The Porters. 

Whoever had the idea to do that to Chelsea's hair. She looked like she was in the hair and makeup chair still. I did think it was funny that the girl she was trying to flirt with took off like that. 

Hayley's reaction shots were pretty funny. You can't unknow someone just because you're divorced from them. Haley looked like Bill's daughter standing beside Naomie.

Sharon is going to make Anita regret she ever wanted a reunion in the first place. 

Everyone seeing Leslie sashaying to them. "Oh, hell no!"

The woman has balls the size of DC. 

Kat needs to lay off. This isn't cute anymore.

[JAYJAY1979]

If Kat wants to be a cop, or detective, she needs to go to school and/or police academy.  She's tampering too much in police matters.

I much prefer Dani and Bill divorced...but it was nice to see her acting like an adult for once.  If Naomi and/or Chelsea ever decide to have kids....I hope Dani and Bill can be mature and be cordial grandparents.

Leslie has to be delulu...she just talks to anyone like they're besties lol

Anita is still a snake, and I think Vernon enables her.  She should make amends...but perhaps she should have consulted a lawyer before calling Tracy and Sharon.  Best to protect yourself.

 

[AnimeMania]

Barbara joins Sharon, Anita and Tracy onstage during their Articulettes reunion tour. Next week, on Beyond the Graves!👻

 

 S01.E67: Thursday, June 5, 2025
S01.E68 (Canada)

 

[Rodney]

Yay!  Laura is finally out of the hospital and back at work!  But she has no idea to use the new notes software, so Eva gets a chance to indeed herself to Laura by getting rid of said software.  I liked Eva apologizing for what Leslie did to her.  Part of me hopes that Eva and Laura can become friends.

Ted and Nicole were finally making some progress, and then Leslie comes along to ruin it.

Good to see Jacob and Kat finally reach an agreement.  But there might be a way that Kat can find out about this evidence legally.  Just go visit Eva herself under the guise of wanting to have an actual talk with her, and then look for the evidence while she's distracted.  Then, if she sees anything, she can go to Jacob immediately.

Vernon finally got Anita to stop blaming just herself.  It gave her the strength to finally remind Sharon and Tracy that they are as much to blame for Barbara's suicide as she was.  But still no Articulette reunion, at least for an hour.

Good episode today, as usual.

[One Tough Cookie]

Well yesterday was the obligatory  shout out to Tide, today it was. Febreze.

Fell asleep during today's episode, I'll watch it later. And, I'm starting to think Anita isn't the classy woman she tries to portray--I saw a few minutes before I dozed off.  So, I'll reserve opinion until I've seen the whole epi.

Edited June 5 by One Tough Cookie

[Sake614]

I really REALLY wish Kat would just stop and think. For a smart businesswoman she really is remarkably stupid.  Glad Jacob set her straight about her ‘helping’ him by finding evidence. And reminded her that he arrested her aunt Dani, so he can arrest her as well. Just stay in your lane and let the cops figure it out. Like just because things aren’t moving as fast as you want, doesn’t mean they’re not moving. Go focus on Chelsea’s new handbag line and leave the policing to the police. 

of course Leslie shows up just as Ted and Nicole were starting to talk.

i legit didn’t even remember Laura when she walked into Nicole’s house lol! We’ve barely seen her since the show started and even then it was in a hospital room. Glad she called Eva for help. Whatever Eva’s faults, she didn’t do anything wrong in the job. I’d like to see them reach a detente at least. Laura doesn’t strike me as the kind of person to hold a grudge and she even pointed out that Eva was very nice to her when they met and there’s no proof that she did anything to Laura. 

[ByaNose]

On 6/4/2025 at 3:23 AM, AnimeMania said:

Naomi, I was thinking that they might have went to law school together and spent lots of time studying at Naomi's house, with Bill to help out when needed. But, I am not sure how far Hayley got in her studies, since she doesn't appear to be a lawyer.

Seeing that Hayley was struggling financially, Dani got her a job at Bill's law firm.

Thanks.

[TiffanyNichelle]

I was happy to see Anita call both Sharon and Tracy out for making her the bad guy in what happened with Barbara. They all played a part, they were all just as ambitious as Anita. I think at least Tracy does feel bad about Barbara but Sharon's just mad that she wasn't the one who was picked by Dante Green to go solo. If she had her chance she would have done the same thing as Anita and she would have left Tracy without one look back as well. 

Kat and Jacob are a great dynamic. I keep saying I like Eva but Kat's instincts are just dead on about Eva and Leslie. Though Leslie is the one doing all the dirty stuff, Eva is covering for her. I think the only thing that will get Eva to break with her mama is if Nicole is physically targeted by Leslie. So far the only person Leslie has actually harmed has been Laura and while Eva feels bad for her, she's not connected to her. She feels bad in an abstract sense. But Eva does really care for Nicole a lot. 

Ted's been stressing to Leslie over and over that he a) don't want her at all and b) the only person he wants to be with is Nicole. I can see Leslie getting tired of it and deciding she needs to get rid of Nicole. Nicole getting hurt by Leslie might be the final final *final* straw (cause Eva seems to need many) for Eva. And could that lead into the reveal that Nicole is actually Eva's mother....

Either way, Kat is kind of right about Eva but her "I told you so" routine is a turn off.

[Rodney]

35 minutes ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

Either way, Kat is kind of right about Eva but her "I told you so" routine is a turn off.

How so?  Every single thing about them she has been right about.  She has every right to say, "I told you so" for years to come.

[Badsamaritan]

31 minutes ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

I was happy to see Anita call both Sharon and Tracy out for making her the bad guy in what happened with Barbara. They all played a part, they were all just as ambitious as Anita. I think at least Tracy does feel bad about Barbara but Sharon's just mad that she wasn't the one who was picked by Dante Green to go solo. If she had her chance she would have done the same thing as Anita and she would have left Tracy without one look back as well. 

Kat and Jacob are a great dynamic. I keep saying I like Eva but Kat's instincts are just dead on about Eva and Leslie. Though Leslie is the one doing all the dirty stuff, Eva is covering for her. I think the only thing that will get Eva to break with her mama is if Nicole is physically targeted by Leslie. So far the only person Leslie has actually harmed has been Laura and while Eva feels bad for her, she's not connected to her. She feels bad in an abstract sense. But Eva does really care for Nicole a lot. 

Ted's been stressing to Leslie over and over that he a) don't want her at all and b) the only person he wants to be with is Nicole. I can see Leslie getting tired of it and deciding she needs to get rid of Nicole. Nicole getting hurt by Leslie might be the final final *final* straw (cause Eva seems to need many) for Eva. And could that lead into the reveal that Nicole is actually Eva's mother....

Either way, Kat is kind of right about Eva but her "I told you so" routine is a turn off.

All of this. I get that Kat is really angry and wants Leslie out of their lives (as she should, the woman is a total bunny boiler) but she's gonna end up either getting herself in trouble or getting the case thrown out. Honestly, I wish others were showing more investment and maybe then Kat wouldn't be so much in Jacob's face. And I wish one of those people was Eva. Because now she is absolutely an accessory after the fact. I'm ready to start seeing some consequences for Leslie because the way she's running around town and getting up in these people's faces and acting like she ain't do nothing is really pissing me off. I need to see her scared of SOMEONE. Because it's starting to not be fun, watching her get away with everything. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing that dynamic happening IRL and I need to see Karma come visit somebody. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[YaddaYadda]

For someone who is supposed to be smart, Kat is dense AF. I bet this investigating of hers does end up derailing everything for Jacob and Leslie goes free as a bird. Don't you have a purse empire to run, or something?

I do appreciate that Anita just went for it with Tracy and Sharon. When she told them they knew where the door was, I thought she was headed upstairs, not to the foyer.

Eva is really going to have to make her choice. I get that she wants her mother's love, because who doesn't want their parent's love. But Leslie is certifiable. She is also selfish, an egomaniac and a narcissist. The farthest Eva gets from her, the better she'll be.

[AnimeMania]

S01.E68: Friday, June 6, 2025
S01.E69 (Canada)
 

[Rodney]

Third episode not to contain any of the Bug Four (Anita, Vernon, Nicole, and Dani).

So Chelsea's new woman of interest is named Madison.  Madison Montgomery.  And she's a doctor!  I wonder why it was so hard to tell Chelsea that?

Ashley and Derek were . . . there today, but good on Derek for calling Naomi to let her know about Bill.

Bill should have stayed in the hospital.  Now he's having his same problems, but worse.  But I didn't care for Hayley caring more about being unable to raise the baby alone than her own husband.

Eva and Tomas almost kissed.  But Tomas stopped the whole thing, because he is into Kat.

So Kat finally finds the evidence that she needs.  Unfortunately, I don't see it working.  The main reason is because she took it illegally.  Any decent defense attorney will shoot that right down.

Vanessa finally learns the truth about what Doug has been doing with his gambling.  And now she knows that Joey wants to use her real estate business for money laundering.  She was played, and now she knows it.

Good Friday episode.

Edited June 6 by Rodney

[drivethroo]

3 hours ago, Rodney said:

How so?  Every single thing about them she has been right about.  She has every right to say, "I told you so" for years to come.

It's a turn off because everything about Kat now is about getting rid of Eva.  She's not working on the purse line like before because she's consumed with getting Eva. Tomas could ask her what foods she likes to eat and she's going to bring it back to Eva.  The actual police have told her to back off and stay out of the investigation (along with several other people) and she has ignored it, all in her quest to get Eva.  She is actually stalking Eva and breaking into her hotel room!

3 hours ago, Badsamaritan said:

I get that Kat is really angry and wants Leslie out of their lives (as she should, the woman is a total bunny boiler) but she's gonna end up either getting herself in trouble or getting the case thrown out.

She'll have no one to blame but herself.  If Kat takes the helmet, it's illegally obtained evidence but even if she tells Jacob and they run down to Eva's hotel room, Kat committed a crime by going into Eva's hotel room.

3 hours ago, Badsamaritan said:

Honestly, I wish others were showing more investment and maybe then Kat wouldn't be so much in Jacob's face.

Kat being in Jacob's face is going to be the reason why this case goes nowhere.

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

For someone who is supposed to be smart, Kat is dense AF. I bet this investigating of hers does end up derailing everything for Jacob and Leslie goes free as a bird.

Eva will also go free as a bird because the defense attorney could argue either Kat or Leslie could've planted the helmet in Eva's room, since both of them have been in Eva's room illegally and both of them have been fixated on blaming Eva.

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

I wonder why it was so hard to tell Chelsea that?

Because Chelsea is a random creepy woman all up in her face and even if Dr. Madison was gay, she's not down for creepy.

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

But I didn't care for Hayley caring more about being unable to raise the baby alone than her own husband.

Side chicks (who know they are side chicks) are selfish people. They only care about their needs and desires. She doesn't want to have to nurse Bill AND a baby but thems the breaks when you marry a man old enough to be your father.

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

But Thomas stopped the whole thing, because he is into Kat.

Tomas is into "Kat Dupree." Kat Dupree is who ambitious types should want on their arms...young, rich, beautiful, poised, from a distinguished family.

Tomas is actually not into "Kat Richardson," a mean, vain, spoiled snob.  The book is another example of that.  Tomas was into the book but when Kat saw the book, she dismissed it as basic and lame. Well Tomas likes books like that ...is he basic and lame? Does Kat even know what kinds of books Tomas even likes? I'd say no, I don't think Kat is actually interested in who Tomas is as a person and if she knew the real Tomas, she wouldn't like him.

I actually see a "Taming of the Shrew" type romance for Kat.

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

Vanessa finally learns the truth about what Doug has been doing with his gambling.  And now she knows that Joey wants to use her real estate business for money laundering.  She was played, and now she knows it.

Doug ain't shit because Joey dropped the twin bombs of a) Doug owing him $250,000 and b) Joey wanting to use her real estate business to launder his money and Doug told Vanessa "I wish I could take this on myself but I'll let you deal with Joey now.  Bye!" and dipped.

Vanessa should tell Joey she's not paying him one red cent of Doug's bill and if Joey has to toss Doug off the Woodrow Wilson bridge, hey...life comes at you fast.

 

Edited June 6 by drivethroo

[Rodney]

16 minutes ago, drivethroo said:

Tomas is into "Kat Dupree." Kat Dupree is who ambitious types should want on their arms...young, rich, beautiful, poised, from a distinguished family.

Tomas is actually not into "Kat Richardson," a mean, vain, spoiled snob.  The book is another example of that.  Tomas was into the book but when Kat saw the book, she dismissed it as basic and lame. Well Tomas likes books like that ...is he basic and lame? Does Kat even know what kinds of books Tomas even likes? I'd say no, I don't think Kat is actually interested in who Tomas is as a person and if she knew the real Tomas, she wouldn't like him.

This is all why I think that Tomas will end up with Eva by the end.  She actually seems to like who he is as a person and wants to know more about him.

[TiffanyNichelle]

10 hours ago, Rodney said:

How so?  Every single thing about them she has been right about.  She has every right to say, "I told you so" for years to come.

I find it to be a little bit obnoxious. 

6 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Tomas was into the book but when Kat saw the book, she dismissed it as basic and lame. Well Tomas likes books like that ...is he basic and lame? Does Kat even know what kinds of books Tomas even likes? I'd say no, I don't think Kat is actually interested in who Tomas is as a person and if she knew the real Tomas, she wouldn't like him.

What's funny is one of the few times Kat listened to Tomas talk about himself he talked about the books he liked and she recognized the author, who was the author of the book she dismissed as basic. But when Tomas said he liked the author she seemed to have no problems with it.

However I do find myself slightly torn between Tomas/Kat and Tomas/Eva which is how I like a good triangle to go. I hate when it's so lopsided. Right now Tomas is turning down kisses from Eva but if Kat keeps spending all her time trying to take down Eva and her mama, I can see him being drawn to Eva because at least she's interested in his life. 

I'm very happy Vanessa now knows about Doug's debt and that Joey's been playing with her this whole time. 

[Giuseppe]

9 hours ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

However I do find myself slightly torn between Tomas/Kat and Tomas/Eva which is how I like a good triangle to go.

I feel the same way. I like Eva with Tomas, but I also like Kat and Tomas. And I really like Kat and don't want to see her get hurt because underneath the snobbery towards Eva and all the constant amateur sleuthing, I feel like she's showed lots of vulnerability with Tomas even though it's been mostly all about her. 

I thought Tomas was really good in his scenes with Eva yesterday. The actor seems to be settling into the role. Actually, I feel like everyone has kind of found their characters now and understands them better. I even liked Derek at the hospital with Ashley and as others have said, he was pretty good in the scenes with Leslie the other day.

I said here a while ago that I was ready to see Anita get messy, so i'm enjoying the Articulette's storyline, especially with the addition of Sharon and Tracy. Someone alluded to this upthread, and I was thinking the same thing: what if Barbara is actually still alive and shows up to crash the Articulette's reunion show? Wouldn't surprise me!

[Badsamaritan]

I still dislike the Tomas actor. His face absolutely expressionless. I don't know if he's contemplating the universe or taking a shit. Both Eva and Kat deserve better. And I hope Kat continues to call those books basic, considering it's Ron's egotistical basic ass way of writing himself into the script. Ron Carlivati (EP) = Carl Ivati. 🙄

I think there's way more story to go with the Articulettes. Dante Green hasn't shown up yet, and he's gonna have secrets on top of secrets about each one. Shit they said to him one-on-one that he kept quiet about. I'm betting there are secrets about each one that the others don't know, and Dante will blow up the spot. They've said his name way too much for him not to make an appearance eventually. And I'm guessing it will be right after the ladies have come together and forgiven each other. That's when Dante's shenanigans will cause the most drama. 

So Chelsea's boo is a doctor. Cute. But Chelsea, Imma need you to slow your roll, you coming off way too strong hunni. 

[ShadowHunter]

I prefer Tomas with Eva. I think they fit better. I do appreciate Tomas not kissing Eva though since he is involved with Kat. I like how excited Eva got talking about the book since I do the same. I also prefer to hold a physical copy of a book as well.

Derek and Ashley are definitely better when they interact with others. I appreciate that Derek called Naomi to let her know about her Dad. 

Kat really has moved the investigation along and showed herself to be smart so when she got stupid by removing the evidence she grabbed illegally it was sad. She is being blinded by her need to get Eva and Leslie. Speaking of Leslie I am glad she didn't pop up anywhere. 

Bill should have stayed in the Hospital. At least now he will be more forced to. I actually liked him when he was saying he would be cool with his son doing ballet.

Glad Vanessa finally learned the truth. 

[Sake614]

When Hayley told Bill she was going to see her stylist, the first thing I thought was ‘wait, you actually have someone who lets you walk out of the store with those clothes? And that person still has a job?’ I mean damn, you married into serious $$ and want to be shown respect. Tine to start looking and acting like it.

Bill is an idiot. IOW a typical man. ‘Oh no honey, I’m fine. I don’t need a hospital or even a doctor. I’m a macho man!’ Three hours later he suffers a full on stroke and is rushed to the hospital. Part of me hopes he’s partially paralyzed even if it’s only for like 2 episodes. And while I understand Naomi is upset, she can miss me with the ‘it’s all my fault’ guilt she’s spewing to Vernon in the previews. Presumably it’s all her fault because she turned her back on her lying, cheating father and then wanted to go up against him in court. 

I really liked Chelsea in the beginning but she’s grating on my nerves these days. First blowing up at Dani in the club, then coming in RED HOT on Madison when she doesn’t even know the woman or have any idea if Madison is remotely interested in her. And even if she was, I wouldn’t blame her for taking off immediately after listening to Chelsea tell her that they belong together. Also, maybe an UO but I really liked Chelsea’s curly hair. Not a fan of the straight look on her. 
 

I know Tomas is ambitious but he really needs to grow a pair and tell bill NO when asked to perform duties that are not remotely within the scope of his job. Wanting Tomas to spy on Naomi and Chelsea? Oh hell no!

Was glad to see Anita stop being a doormat and stand up for herself with sharon and Tracy. Because whatever happened to Barbara, either one of them could have stepped up and said ‘no we’re not continuing without her. She started the group and either she stays or we go.’ But they didn’t. They went along with Dante because they too wanted stardom. There’s plenty of blame to go around.

How many times does Jacob have to tell Kat to stop interfering before she tanks the whole case? Walking off with the helmet and gloves from Eva’s room? How does that help them? There’s no ay to prove that Leslie was on that bike. She fits the description? So do about 1000 other people. All they have is a blurry video of someone (unknown if man or woman) running Laura off the road. 

[Crashcourse]

I like Eva, but her outfit looked like she did a dumpster dive and found something to wear.  I don't know where she found those ugly boots. 

[JAYJAY1979]

Kat/Eva/Tomas has all the makings of a classic soap opera triangle.  It's being developed in an organic way and it has elements of social class at the foundation.

Tomas and Eva seemed to have been raised working class, both have parents that were toxic, both have the same interests, and they seem to enjoy one another's company.

Tomas and Kat come from two different worlds, and while he is interested in knowing her...the feeling isn't mutual so far.  And they don't seem to have much in common.

This all sounds like the classic Steve/Alice/Rachel triangle.  One upper middle class girl, one working class girl, and one upwardly ambitious man that loves the upper class girl...but has more in common with the working class girl.  

The classic triangle generated years of story...and this newest triangle has the same potential.

Also...nice to see Ashley/Hayley in a scene at last....and nice to see Derek letting Naomi/Chelsea know about Bill.

[TiffanyNichelle]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

When Hayley told Bill she was going to see her stylist, the first thing I thought was ‘wait, you actually have someone who lets you walk out of the store with those clothes? And that person still has a job?’

She was on her way to the stylist in what seemed to be the middle of the day since Tomas was taking a mid day break and she was shocked that Bill wasn't at work. So my question is...why wasn't she at work? She keeps trying to tell Dani she's this professional who works so hard and yet, she's rarely at work and when she is, she's just hanging out in Bill's office. 

[Sake614]

3 minutes ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

She keeps trying to tell Dani she's this professional who works so hard and yet, she's rarely at work and when she is, she's just hanging out in Bill's office

And trying to fuck him while he’s supposedly working. 

[Maelstrom]

3 hours ago, Sake614 said:

maybe an UO but I really liked Chelsea’s curly hair. Not a fan of the straight look on her. 

Same here, I miss both her and Naomi’s (natural) curls, they were beautiful. I’m glad Eva at least still has hers.

I’m getting fed up with both Kat and Leslie this week, both of their storylines seem to have gotten stuck in the “treading water” stage where they just repeat the same lines/beats ad nauseum. Move it along or backburner them Show, thank you.

Enjoyed Laura reaching out to Eva for the sake of the job and both of them acting like reasonable, mature adults.

Edited June 7 by Maelstrom

[One Tough Cookie]

I'm wondering:  How is Leslie living in that apartment?  There is no sign of a job and I can't believe there is a man somewhere who is stupid to support her

[Rodney]

56 minutes ago, One Tough Cookie said:

I'm wondering:  How is Leslie living in that apartment?  There is no sign of a job and I can't believe there is a man somewhere who is stupid to support her

She's living off the money that Ted paid her to leave town.

[Maelstrom]

I’m assuming she’s living off the payoff Ted gave her a few months back, because otherwise I don’t know how she’s staying afloat, either 🤷🏻‍♀️

eta - oops, Rodney beat me to it, don’t know how I missed his post 🙃

Edited June 8 by Maelstrom

[Sake614]

3 hours ago, Maelstrom said:

Enjoyed Laura reaching out to Eva for the sake of the job and both of them acting like reasonable, mature adults.

Agreed! There’s no bickering, name calling or anything else. Eva held the job for a few months and made some changes to procedure. Laura doesn’t know the programs and needs Eva’s help. Even if Laura holds a grudge, she’s a grown woman who can separate personal from professional.

[Irlandesa]

I don't know why Joey slept with Vanessa.  Just to mess with her?  There's nothing about that which would make her more open to laundering money. 

I did like that she realized that's what he wanted her to do.

8 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Kat/Eva/Tomas has all the makings of a classic soap opera triangle.

It's fine.  They're fine.  Eva and Thomas come off as a little more natural. 

But the thing I'm missing is a sparkly couple filled with chemistry.  One that I can root for.  Right now, I like the characters but there's no romance that makes me addicted and I'm a big soap romance person. 

[mbluecpa]

On 6/3/2025 at 1:09 PM, YaddaYadda said:

I didn't watch today yet, but the squirrely server at the club, same guy who was at Orphee Gene's watching Jan, right?

Thanks for this, and to others for confirming.  I totally didn’t pick up on that, and mistakenly thought it might have been to show Ted as an outcast at the club a la Haley.

I really appreciate the pacing of the show so far, and like that the writers don’t resort to repeated fake outs before making plot progress.  I thought for sure we were in for one when Kat found the box with the book, but alas she found the helmet anyway, I think on the same episode.  That would have taken months on GH.  Same with the Doug/Vanessa/Joey reveal though that one felt almost too sudden.  Martin’s secret is the only recurring theme that feels like it’s dragging (well, except for Derek and Ashley).

Glad to see Madison pop up as a doctor, which suggests we’ll see more of her.  To say the scenes with her and Chelsea were awkward is an understatement but I’m guessing that was the writers’ intent.

I do realize that $250K is a lot of money, but Joey had previously described the then-unknown amount as one that would take a near lifetime for Doug to repay.  A minor quibble though - BTG continues to keep me looking forward to the next episode.

[ASpring1900]

On 6/6/2025 at 5:18 PM, drivethroo said:

She doesn't want to have to nurse Bill AND a baby but thems the breaks when you marry a man old enough to be your father.

Absolutely agree. When you marry someone significantly older (10+ years) you may be active and healthy now, but eventually, you’ll likely take on the role of their nurse or caregiver. I’m seeing this firsthand with my in-laws.