Trini January 26 Share January 26 Morris Chestnut stars as Dr. John Watson, who resumes his medical career as the head of a clinic dedicated to treating rare disorders six months after the death of his friend and partner, Sherlock Holmes, at the hands of Moriarty. Watson's old life isn't done with him, though: Moriarty and Watson are set to write their own chapter of a story that has fascinated audiences for more than a century. Airdate: January 26, 2025 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/
AnimeMania January 26 Share January 26 Next New Episode (New Time): February 16, 2025 CBS 9pm Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8564652
LennieBriscoe January 27 Share January 27 (edited) Apparently I pegged Shinwell as the real Moriarty, but that was before I learned he was Shinwell. So I hope he's A-OK. Two too many characters on the team. I mean, the best detectives have only one! 😉 Maybe the young curmudgeon can go. Edited January 27 by LennieBriscoe 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8564985
agathapenny January 27 Share January 27 There was a lot of exposition in this episode, even for a pilot. And this was a lot like (a bit of an inferior version) of House. The Moriarty/Shinwell crime story seemed tacked on and didn't fit. I also found Morris Chestnut mumbled a lot — it was hard to catch what he was saying a bunch of times. Some of the others did it too. So here's for better enunciation going forward. More of a problem was that I didn't get a very good idea of who Watson is. The character seemed all over the place. The medical case was distinctly underwhelming. I guessed the solution long before they did. The twins are a cliche so far and the Texas woman is a non-entity at this point. I rolled my eyes at the sociopath reveal. All of that said, I'm willing to give the show another episode or two to find its footing. But at this point Brilliant Minds is a similar, but much better show. Though from previews it looks like Watson is going to attempt to break the mould a bit and also be something of a crime drama at the same time? Don't know how that's going to work.... 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8564993
LennieBriscoe January 27 Share January 27 Ha! My initial impression that Shinwell was hinky was spot-on! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8564999
Chicago Redshirt January 27 Share January 27 I'm here for the premise of House crossed with the Sherlock Holmes mythos and Morris Chestnut. It was going to be difficult to screw that up. I do feel like I would prefer it if Watson's team of doctor-detectives were slimmed down somehow. The sibling bickering has already gotten old, methinks. Couldn't place my finger on why Ingrid seemed familiar until I visited IMDB and found that she was Moll on the last season of Star Trek: Discovery. The role of Watson's estranged wife is a thankless one, it seems. I expected that Moriarty survived but I kinda hoped that it would be at least a while before he showed up. But nope, here he is. Wonder why he's not just running his crime syndicate in London with no Holmes to foil him. Wonder how long it will be before we find out that Holmes survived too. (I take it for granted that there will be a Holmes). Any idea why Pittsburgh? 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565002
shrewd.buddha January 27 Share January 27 8 hours ago, agathapenny said: And this was a lot like (a bit of an inferior version) of House. Yeah - it's been done .. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565063
Cress January 27 Share January 27 (edited) 8 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said: Any idea why Pittsburgh? According to this interview with Craig Sweeny, he has a personal connection to Pittsburgh. Quote I am from Pittsburgh, that’s my hometown, and my mother worked as an administrator in the transplant department at a hospital system called UPMC, which is a loosely analogous to UHOP, which is in our show. For me, it was just natural. Pittsburgh is a hub of medicine, human transplantation was refined there, polio vaccine was invented there, there is a great hospital system in Pittsburgh that attracts people from all over the region. So I was attracted to it as a way to write what I know and a city that I’m very passionate about I believe has a lot to offer the world. Also, apparently there are tech companies in Pittsburgh and Moriarty is trying to "blend in" as a tech worker. Quote Google, companies like that, have all set up branches in Pittsburgh. He has a front called Always and Everywhere that is a mock tech company. It’s just his way of moving through the world in a way that doesn’t attract attention. The article also mentions spoilery bits about other characters and stories in future episodes. It's okay, but was wondering why the nonsequitor scene of a robot, just for Watson to call it Clyde, as in the tortoise from Elementary. There's referencing the books, and then there's referencing yourself. Edited January 27 by Cress 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565064
babyrambo January 27 Share January 27 (edited) It’s only the pilot, but this was still pretty routine. Even the reveal at the end felt predictable. The case was fine but none of the doctors stands out as particularly interesting, not even Watson himself. And the ex wife, who was a better actress in this than anything else I’ve ever seen her in, is definitely a thankless role. The House comparisons are inevitable with any show that has a doctor working with a team (like Brilliant Minds from last year, which had a similar premise and was also very tame plot wise) but that’s pretty much where the similarities end for me, because so far, Watson has none of the bite of House. It’s not bad, just bland. Edited January 27 by babyrambo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565078
DanaK January 27 Share January 27 I liked it and found it intriguing and will continue to watch to see how it goes Though I question that real doctors would do a bone marrow donation from an active drug addict and right away 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565081
Raja January 27 Share January 27 It wasn't bad, just sort of meh. Something to turn on if you're tired of cops or your normal thing. There was enough to come back after the break to see if they adjusted from the pilot episode. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565085
possibilities January 27 Share January 27 I thought it was bad. Maybe I just wasnt in the mood. I will give it another chance. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565119
agathapenny January 27 Share January 27 1 hour ago, DanaK said: Though I question that real doctors would do a bone marrow donation from an active drug addict and right away Yeah, it sounded like they considered it a done deal before ever testing him for any diseases/infections (and compatibility), which, given how rough he looked and the fact they know he's a heavy drug user, would be nuts. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565144
Grizzly January 27 Share January 27 What was in the case that Shinwell gave to Moriarty? I whole heartedly agree with @agathapenny that a lot of the dialog was hard to hear. The show annoyed me from the beginning when a non family member was allowed to dump a lot of info on a patient who had just awoken from a traumatic brain injury. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565145
Silver-hyren January 27 Share January 27 Meh. I was looking forward to this but was left underwhelmed. The comparisons with House are inevitable, so it was always going to have an uphill battle proving itself. Focusing the story around Watson (who actually is a doctor) is a unique approach to reinterpreting/adapting the Sherlock universe but the character Watson here left zero impression on me. Enjoying Randall Park continuing to apply his affable persona to sleazy characters, though. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565181
possibilities January 27 Share January 27 3 hours ago, Silver-hyren said: Enjoying Randall Park continuing to apply his affable persona to sleazy characters, though. That was my favorite part! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565345
leighdear January 28 Share January 28 (edited) Bickering exes have to work together - trope. She left him, but for another woman - twist. Moriarty is an Asian guy - twist. Adopted Asian woman with Texas accent - twist. Pregnant woman names unborn baby after living sister - trope (Did it on "E.R.") Twin competitive brother doctors - twist. (Should have made them conjoined). Therapist threatening her patient to quit - trope. British sidekick with a past - trope. All we're missing is the handicapped, Native American receptionist that was kidnapped at birth and the Russian office cleaner with a deadly secret and a transvestite sugar daddy. This was tortuous. They threw EVERYTHING in there. However, Morris C. is very attractive, so a little eye candy helps. I dunno, I may have to be drinking heavily to watch the next episode. Edited January 28 by leighdear 1 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565465
shapeshifter January 28 Share January 28 54 minutes ago, leighdear said: I dunno, I may have to be drinking heavily to watch the next episode. I "watched" this while multitasking, and that's the most I'm willing to do. Occasionally. Doctor shows annoy me. And it doesn't have any comic relief. When I went to Pittsburgh for my daughter's graduation from Carnegie Mellon (like the t-shirt Watson slept in) we road the Duquesne Incline (where Shinwell met Moriarity). If Pittsburgh was a kind of character in the show, I would give it a chance. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565530
Trini January 28 Author Share January 28 (edited) This wasn't bad, but it's still very Standard Medical Procedural, outside of the Sherlock Holmes lore. Willing to give it a chance, though. (I might end up watching this in any case; my mom will watch anything Sherlock Holmes -related. Anything.) Downsides: I already hate the twins, and I'm so over the 'exes working together' trope. Randall Park is going to have to work hard to get me to buy him as an evil mastermind. Morris Chestnut is pretty; but I need more than eye candy to stick with something. (Looking at you, Tracker.) Moriarty has a M-shaped hand -- ha ha, cute -- but seriously; I wonder if they'll ever give an explanation about why he never got his hand fixed. Edited January 28 by Trini 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565684
possibilities January 28 Share January 28 (edited) I think when Shinwell handed over the case, he said "Here are the samples you wanted". I am not sure, but that is what I think I heard him say. Edited January 28 by possibilities 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565700
Cress January 28 Share January 28 Yeah I think they're supposed to be DNA samples. Craig Sweeny mentions them in the spoilery Deadline article I linked above. Moriarty apparently has some evil genius plan to use the DNA for something, but we won't know details until later. Overall I am annoyed by many of the doctors and I don't like that Watson is using one of the doctors as his neurologist. Plus the previews for upcoming episodes keep showing some sinister female henchwoman of Moriarty making threats, and I worry that will be Irene Adler. I'm so sick of her being associated with Moriarty, let alone willingly evil--unlike Shinwell who at least looks like he's reluctantly cooperating. But still, the show might improve after the pilot so I'll give it a chance. I do like Morris Chestnut and that actress playing Dr. Lubbock, so hopefully they'll develop her more. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565783
sugarbaker design January 28 Share January 28 (edited) Very underwhelming first episode. I was screaming 'They're sisters!!!' from my couch. Sherlock was always at least one step ahead of Watson. I don't know if the audience is supposed to be one step ahead of Watson. The staff are instantly forgettable. Edited January 28 by sugarbaker design 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565825
Brown44 January 28 Share January 28 1 hour ago, Cress said: Yeah I think they're supposed to be DNA samples. Craig Sweeny mentions them in the spoilery Deadline article I linked above. Moriarty apparently has some evil genius plan to use the DNA for something, but we won't know details until later. So Moriarty is Mr Sinister in this Holmes universe...I can go with that. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565835
possibilities January 28 Share January 28 He pretends to use her as his neurologist, but he's apparently hiding from her what meds he's taking? So he's using her as a cover story while going rogue in some way. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565927
sugarbaker design January 28 Share January 28 2 hours ago, Brown44 said: So Moriarty is Mr Sinister in this Holmes universe...I can go with that. Isn't Moriarty the villain in most of the Holmes universes? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565928
LennieBriscoe January 28 Share January 28 Moriarty is THE Arch-Villain, period. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565943
Grizzly January 28 Share January 28 1 hour ago, possibilities said: He pretends to use her as his neurologist, but he's apparently hiding from her what meds he's taking? So he's using her as a cover story while going rogue in some way. His meds that he prescribed to Shinwell. He said something about they were narcotics so highly illegal. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8565986
kitmerlot1213 January 28 Share January 28 I liked all the homages to ACD canon and to the show Elementary: the license plate on the car Watson was driving was 221BSSH, the name of the cleaning robot was Clyde and Inspector Gregson gets a Scotland Yard shout out, but I am kind of annoyed we were shown that Shinwell was compromised and that Moriarty was alive. That should have been a bigger reveal. Instead, we're going to have to watch episodes of him sabotaging Watson--that's going to be obnoxious. The other doctors were all blending together and I know I found the sociopath neurologist particularly annoying, even more then the twins--Look, one has glasses and the other curly hair, that's how we can tell them apart!! I hope we get more interactions with Mary Morstan though, especially if the show has her being great at crossword puzzles and cypher texts :) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8566024
Brown44 January 28 Share January 28 5 hours ago, sugarbaker design said: Isn't Moriarty the villain in most of the Holmes universes? I'm talking about doing stuff with DNA (genetics). Mr Sinister is a Marvel Comics villian that like to screw around with DNA. And clearly genetics is gonna be a big thing on this show. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8566152
Cress January 29 Share January 29 (edited) 12 hours ago, Grizzly said: His meds that he prescribed to Shinwell. He said something about they were narcotics so highly illegal. No Watson said they aren't controlled substances. He said he was using the meds for "off-label" purposes. That doesn't mean it's illegal. For example, Trazodone is approved for depression, but has a side effect of sleepiness. So a doctor might prescribe Trazodone for your insomnia. That's off-label use. Doctors can do that legally, and sometimes off-label uses eventually get approved. I didn't get a good look at all the meds Watson got from Shinwell, so I don't know what "off-label" use he was trying to prescribe for. I do agree that Watson hiding his meds and using Shinwell's name is suspicious. A doctor should not be prescribing for himself anyway. With his traumatic brain injury, I wouldn't trust his objectiveness and clear-thinking when it came to diagnosing himself. I assumed from the end of the pilot that Watson would start complying more with the neurologist and not hiding things. But I guess we don't know until next episode. Edited January 29 by Cress 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8566498
LisaM January 30 Share January 30 I really wanted to like this - hoped it would be similar to Elementary - but I thought it was pretty bad. I was bored. Not sure that I will try another episode. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8567707
Driad January 30 Share January 30 I'll give it another chance or two. For me it depends on the writing. Basing it on the Sherlock Holmes canon, the writers could go either creative or lazy. If it works well, we can have "Doylist vs. Watsonian" discussions. Morris Chestnut was in some other series (can't remember which) and left me unimpressed. We'll see. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8567732
Linda956 January 30 Share January 30 As a Sherlock Holmes fan from birth, I was interested to see what they would do with this. But I absolutely hated it. If this were just a regular medical series, I might have enjoyed it. Chestnut is attractive and I liked his character. But Holmes let everyone think he died at the Reichenbach Falls (including Watson) to escape M's henchmen. He returned when only Col. Sebastan Moran was left. Mary died early on. Watson never left her or she him. I could see M's gang shadowing Watson in case Holmes survived to find out his whereabouts, but one gets the impression that Moriarty has a personal grudge against Watson, which was never the case in the books. It was all about the superior mind and Holmes being his equal. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8568127
KaveDweller Tuesday at 03:23 AM Share Tuesday at 03:23 AM On 1/29/2025 at 11:15 PM, Driad said: Morris Chestnut was in some other series (can't remember which) and left me unimpressed. We'll see. The Resident? He joined that show and played kind of an asshole. He was more likable here. But the other characters are pretty boring and the medical storyline was not as compelling as others I've seen recently. But I will give it another shot. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8571851
possibilities Tuesday at 06:20 PM Share Tuesday at 06:20 PM My problem with Morris Chestnut is that he plays everything exactly the same, whether he's supposed to be a good guy or a bad guy. I've seen him in a few things, and each time I like him less because he seems to same and I'm realizing he's not a good actor. He hlooks appealing, and that works for the first time you see him in a role, but then after his affect is the same for every future character, it gets boring and annoying because it's so obviously fake and he's trying to preen off his physique with nothing else there. Surely there are other hunky dudes who can also act? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151585-s01e01-pilot/#findComment-8572181
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