S18.E11: She Said/He Fled

[Meowwww]

Ikechi being a jerk and lying his way through Afterparty.  Keisha went in on him, but not hard enough.  

[Jeanne222]

10 hours ago, Meowwww said:

Ikechi being a jerk and lying his way through Afterparty.  Keisha went in on him, but not hard enough.  

He is a fine looking man...at times.  Maybe the dating game hasn't been kind to her and any port in the storm!

[Jeanne222]

Michelle is an Executive Assistant.  One step up from secretary.  I would say her life style is a bit above her pay grade so maybe she was looking for a sugar daddy!

The way she talks I thought she was the executive running some big company.

Reading along she also does makeup professionally.  I bet that's her passion but provides no security or insurance like the desk job she has.

Edited January 17 by Jeanne222

[seacliffsal]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

Michelle is an Executive Assistant.  One step up from secretary.  I would say her life style is a bit above her pay grade so maybe she was looking for a sugar daddy!

The way she talks I thought she was the executive running some big company.

Reading along she also does makeup professionally.  I bet that's her passion but provides no security or insurance like the desk job she has.

Maybe her motivation for being on the show is more of a 'I want to be Instagram famous.'  If so, her total rejection of David seems more like it would hurt her rather than help her.  It fits with the little 'let's restyle David' segment and her working with a stylist to build her credentials.

[Alexander Pope]

I have been remaining silent on the Ikechi front because it just raises my blood pressure to think about him.  But I was really outraged by how easy Pastor Cal was on him.  Sir, you just admitted that you called your wife an asshole! and Cal, IMO, just let that slide.  No expert said at any point, you can't talk like that to anyone, much less your wife! Instead they coddle him and call him sensitive.  Truly outrageous.  Now I am going to go calm down.

[kristen111]

On 1/14/2025 at 9:46 PM, atomic said:

So grating listening to Karla talk like a midwestern Kourtney Kardashian.

I still can’t figure her out.  She speaks like a small child.  Gibberish.  I still don’t know what she is saying most of the time.  He sees it too.

[Retired at last]

My favorite line of hers was when she "quit" her job because they mutually agreed that she "cannot be managed." Except, she said it like it was a good thing that working for someone was sucking out her creativity. She is my comic relief this season. She is just so flaky that no one can possibly take her seriously, especially Juan. We have had many people who spoke in trendy word salads, but I do think that she truly believes the nonsense she is spewing and truly doesn't understand why she isn't or won't be successful.

[Hip-to-be-Square]

5 hours ago, Alexander Pope said:

I have been remaining silent on the Ikechi front because it just raises my blood pressure to think about him.  But I was really outraged by how easy Pastor Cal was on him.  Sir, you just admitted that you called your wife an asshole! and Cal, IMO, just let that slide.  No expert said at any point, you can't talk like that to anyone, much less your wife! Instead they coddle him and call him sensitive.  Truly outrageous.  Now I am going to go calm down.

I completely agree! The "experts" always force the women to keep trying in fundamentally incompatible, unsafe and emotionally abusive relationships.  Does a woman need to be physically abused to be able to leave a marriage early on in this show? When will the experts ever take accountability for creating terrible matches? They minimize Emem's concerns and completely excused Ikechi's anger and abuse by saying "he's art and you are science, Emem"🥴😲. It's so ridiculous. 

[Crashcourse]

Ikechi had already moved out, so if Emem felt uncomfortable and emotionally abused, she could have said "NO" when Pastor Cal brought up Ikechi moving back in with her.   She chose to have him back, so I'm not putting all the blame on him.  

[seacliffsal]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

Ikechi had already moved out, so if Emem felt uncomfortable and emotionally abused, she could have said "NO" when Pastor Cal brought up Ikechi moving back in with her.   She chose to have him back, so I'm not putting all the blame on him.  

I am very much hoping that she has a Machiavellian plan in store on how to gaslight and slowly make him think he's going mad in retaliation for his continual disrespect towards her.  I would laugh with glee if she reversed the roles and seeks her revenge all the while acting all innocent...'I didn't say that; are you sure you put your phone there?  no, I didn't put anything in your drink...'

[Crashcourse]

35 minutes ago, seacliffsal said:

I am very much hoping that she has a Machiavellian plan in store on how to gaslight and slowly make him think he's going mad in retaliation for his continual disrespect towards her.  I would laugh with glee if she reversed the roles and seeks her revenge all the while acting all innocent...'I didn't say that; are you sure you put your phone there?  no, I didn't put anything in your drink...'

Why waste your time on revenge?  It would've been better for her to just Nope out and get on with her life.

[Alexander Pope]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

Why waste your time on revenge?  It would've been better for her to just Nope out and get on with her life.

you have a point, but this is a reality TV show! where would the fun be in that!

[PupCal]

On 1/15/2025 at 8:24 PM, JenE4 said:

I’m not even going to point out that a cow can’t have horns and udders

Uhhh, yes they can.

David had better chemistry with Michelle's friend Lissy. Wife swap time!

This convo with the experts and Emem/Ike is ridiculous. Hey, pastor Cal, maybe don't bring up how y'all have been doing this for 18 seasons and the amount of successful couples just barely inches over into double digits.

Edited Saturday at 03:46 AM by PupCal

[JenE4]

8 hours ago, PupCal said:

Uhhh, yes they can.

David had better chemistry with Michelle's friend Lissy. Wife swap time!

This convo with the experts and Emem/Ike is ridiculous. Hey, pastor Cal, maybe don't bring up how y'all have been doing this for 18 seasons and the amount of successful couples just barely inches over into double digits.

I learned something new today.

[Retired at last]

Technically, the only time the couples HAVE to be together is when they are filming, since we know that many of them often go to their own apartments/homes, so I don't think Emem is in any danger.  But, I really didn't like how SHE initiated the request to have him move back in with her. Maybe she did it just to make him mad at her "aggressive behavior," but it would have been better for her to let him do the asking. He probably wouldn't have and then she would have been free. There is NO WAY she wants him and by acting like she is still trying makes her look bad, not him.

[kristen111]

On 1/17/2025 at 7:33 PM, Crashcourse said:

Why waste your time on revenge?  It would've been better for her to just Nope out and get on with her life.

But then there would be no drama, then no show.

[DrewPaul2010]

On 1/15/2025 at 7:15 AM, kristen111 said:

Didn’t the experts see during the picking that Karla is a Whackadoodle?

 

 

Whackadoodles need love too.

On 1/17/2025 at 11:15 AM, Retired at last said:

My favorite line of hers was when she "quit" her job because they mutually agreed that she "cannot be managed." Except, she said it like it was a good thing that working for someone was sucking out her creativity. She is my comic relief this season. She is just so flaky that no one can possibly take her seriously, especially Juan. We have had many people who spoke in trendy word salads, but I do think that she truly believes the nonsense she is spewing and truly doesn't understand why she isn't or won't be successful.

I wonder how she'll handle kids if that ever happens.

[LennieBriscoe]

Sure, David looked good in blue; who doesn’t?! I was hoping for different colors maybe in the red/purple/burgundy family. 

 

[Chatty Cake]

Do Allen and Madison share a bed? That’s the only reason I can find for him wanting to leave so bad he risked it.  Otherwise why not just sleep it off at the apartment?

I don’t want to hear about Thomas and his swag while Camille is sitting around looking like a frump.

David  is a good sport. He should have told Michelle to shove her pricey clothes up her ass. Does she want him to save money or dress like Drake?

I don’t think Karla wants to work and I think Juan knows this.

Why was that fool Pastor Cal looking so pleased that Emem asked that asshole to move back in with her? He spoke slightly nicer but he is in no way is interested in her. 

Edited Monday at 05:14 PM by Chatty Cake

[Teafortwo]

On 1/16/2025 at 12:20 PM, Starlight925 said:

Having said that, Madison looks like some animal I can't figure out.  Weird facial proportions, plus I don't like her, so there's that.

This is gonna sound horrible but her face looks like Planet of the Apes to me. I saw a pic of her before she had work done and her natural look was so pretty!

[Elizzikra]

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Do Allen and Madison share a bed? That’s the only reason I can find for him wanting to leave so bad he risked it.  Otherwise why not just sleep it off at the apartment?

In the past, I think they have rented them two bedroom units but I don't know if that is the case this season.

They have a sofa. And I'm sure Alan knows how to Uber. 

[princelina]

2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

In the past, I think they have rented them two bedroom units but I don't know if that is the case this season.

They have a sofa. And I'm sure Alan knows how to Uber. 

I'm pretty sure Michelle and David have said they are using separate bedrooms in their apartment - and Pia chided Michell for that.

[Empress1]

On 1/16/2025 at 3:11 PM, Elizzikra said:

If there's money in it, why not???

I knew a guy who is a leather craftsman, makes beautiful bags, belts, wallets … and bondage & S&M gear. Money is money.

I do think Juan condescends to Karla, but Karla’s brand of woo-woo hippie annoys me so I understand his impulse. “The universe will provide” isn’t a business plan.

[Chatty Cake]

19 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

In the past, I think they have rented them two bedroom units but I don't know if that is the case this season.

They have a sofa. And I'm sure Alan knows how to Uber. 

At first I thought she was looking out for him but now I’m thinking he wasn’t at all drunk. She just wanted to make him look bad on camera since she’s the one that’s doesn’t like anything about him. She’s the one who should have called an uber for her stank faced mean ass! 
 

 

17 hours ago, princelina said:

I'm pretty sure Michelle and David have said they are using separate bedrooms in their apartment - and Pia chided Michell for that.

I think Madison is horrible to him when she’s had some drinks and the cameras go down and he wanted to get far away before she started in on him. 

[Retired at last]

I also think that the "too drunk to drive" was a producer shenanigan because if he was truly too drunk, the producers would not have allowed him to drive, in case they would be liable. Agree that Madison only thinks of Allen as a friend and that's all he will ever,be, unless things go downhill and they end up not even liking each other.

I just hope SOMETHING happens tonight, because all we have seen are the same old stories and disagreements, and the more they throw those teasers at us and then not deliver them, the less I am inclined to watch at all. It looks like tonight's episode is only 2 1/2 hours instead of 3 hours, like last week. I don't know what is getting cut - the show or the Afterparty.

[kristen111]

22 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

This is gonna sound horrible but her face looks like Planet of the Apes to me. I saw a pic of her before she had work done and her natural look was so pretty!

The long flowing blonde hair she sports throws everyone to believe she’s gorgeous.  Get rid of the fake hair and see what you got.  Plus, what’s with all the working out?  Do men love muscles on a woman?  Not my Man.

[atomic]

28 minutes ago, Retired at last said:

I also think that the "too drunk to drive" was a producer shenanigan because if he was truly too drunk, the producers would not have allowed him to drive, in case they would be liable.

The footage was taken from their apartment cam. There was no one there watching to intervene.

[princelina]

On 1/21/2025 at 3:15 PM, Chatty Cake said:

I think Madison is horrible to him when she’s had some drinks and the cameras go down and he wanted to get far away before she started in on him. 

I confess I didn't watch this episode until tonight and I wondered what she had done to hurt his feelings - you don't run home after a fun night out.  He said he's never made so much effort to change himself before, just so that someone could find him barely tolerable (I paraphrase but there it is)

Speaking of changing himself, there's Thomas in a nice suit and earrings, and Camille is wearing pink chinos and a wife beater?  Girl please.  Get some "swag" yourself 😄

On to the next change that has to be made - Michelle takes David shopping since he wears jeans on their dates, and  his purchase that she approves is a jeans jacket?  I couldn't make this stuff up 😂

Then Carla and Juan go to the woman's Pilates studio, where she gives them a class and some gifts, and then leaves her own establishment so that they can sit and discuss their relationship 😂

Not funny:  Nasty Bastard Ikechi.  Note that in their private conversation Cal told him "Don't gaslight me."  And then he told Cal he had never disrespected her, and Cal said, "Didn't you call her an asshole?"  So know he's Known Liar and Gaslighter Ikechi (otherwise known as "Art" apparently 🙄) But Emem is supposed to put up with it?  Not right.  He went into that conversation with the comment that he may not have acted right but it was her fault.  And contributed nothing, except for a few "Yes"es when directly asked a question.  Which apparently he finds intrusive and disrespectful of his person, and she ought not be doing it.  Unless he comes home from work, in which case she is to ask him how he's doing.  But I guess that's it!  If he says, "Terrible" she should just go "Ah" and then sit and peacefully enjoy the moment.  (That's what I'd be doing anyway! 😃)  

Edited 15 hours ago by princelina