Chit-Chat: The Feels

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

That's too good for him. I think prison is where he belongs.

For sure. But I don't fucking care where he goes as long as he leaves the White House. 

[annzeepark914]

The guy who faked bone spurs to avoid Vietnam has now embroiled us in a new war. But, how can we afford this, you ask? We're already trillions of dollars in debt (that he helped get us into during his first disastrous term). I guess this will force the GOP to make even more cuts as they work on delivering the budget. 

[Anela]

 

I'm really tired. I need a shower, I've got to get up really early, to get some things done, before the heat really hits. 

[Annber03]

20 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

The guy who faked bone spurs to avoid Vietnam has now embroiled us in a new war. But, how can we afford this, you ask? We're already trillions of dollars in debt (that he helped get us into during his first disastrous term). I guess this will force the GOP to make even more cuts as they work on delivering the budget. 

Yep. Gotta cut funding for Medicare, 'cause gosh, darn it, it's just too expensive to ensure our citizens can afford healthcare!

But money to blow on another dumbass war in the Middle East? Oh, sure, we've got the funds for that, to whom do we write the check? 

Fuck the GOP. Fuck Trump. 

[shapeshifter]

11 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Yep. Gotta cut funding for Medicare, 'cause gosh, darn it, it's just too expensive to ensure our citizens can afford healthcare!

But money to blow on another dumbass war in the Middle East? Oh, sure, we've got the funds for that, to whom do we write the check? 

Fuck the GOP. Fuck Trump. 

As to why this now, I keep waffling between incriminating Epstein files, and/or his just wanting to metaphorically blow his wad, and/or or some 3rd party middle eastern enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend payoff.

[LexieLily]

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

As to why this now, I keep waffling between incriminating Epstein files, and/or his just wanting to metaphorically blow his wad, and/or or some 3rd party middle eastern enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend payoff.

My money's on Door Number Epstein. Isn't that why he sicced the military on Los Angeles?

[peacheslatour]

23 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

As to why this now, I keep waffling between incriminating Epstein files, and/or his just wanting to metaphorically blow his wad, and/or or some 3rd party middle eastern enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend payoff.

I think it's a toss up between his dud of a dictator extravaganza "perade" and the fact that the Senate hates his stupid BB butt fuck of a bill, he's desperate to look "manly" to Putin. "Look daddy, I'm a big boy now!"

 

 

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[Annber03]

25 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I think it's a toss up between his dud of a dictator extravaganza "perade" and the fact that the Senate hates his stupid BB butt fuck of a bill, he's desperate to look "manly" to Putin. "Look daddy, I'm a big boy now!"

Oh, yeah, he hoped his parade would be a big impressive thing and his fragile little ego can't handle that nobody gave a shit about it. Or him. 

 I truly can't believe we're all at the mercy of a guy whose skin is this fucking thin. 

[EtheltoTillie]

I am very scared. 

[BetyBee]

6 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I think it's a toss up between his dud of a dictator extravaganza "perade" and the fact that the Senate hates his stupid BB butt fuck of a bill, he's desperate to look "manly" to Putin. "Look daddy, I'm a big boy now!"

Sometimes I think the man baby is furious that he is old and in poor health. He can't conceive of a world without him in it, so he thinks he may as well take as many people as possible out of the world along with him. He's definitely that selfish.

[Kemper]

This morning I am too angry and heartbroken to discuss what Trump did last night. So I will bring up something that has been much discussed: The Epstein Files. And that maybe his actions against Iran are a "distraction" ... Jesus weeps.

Why would anyone think that his MAGA base - or most everyone who voted for him -  be shocked, appalled, angry, etc. if those papers were published? No matter what they make contain. They are ride or die.

[Affogato]

Also, he’s declared war without congress. This is a big deal.  My bet is of course they want to play with the toys, while they still have them and consolidate power in the executive fast. 

Edited Sunday at 11:06 AM by Affogato

[tres bien]

He doesn’t care about congress the courts or the rule of law 

We now have an out of control unfit unqualified lunatic taking his marching orders from Putin and Bibi

Donny 2 weeks has declared war in the Mid East and America all within about two weeks and there are videos showing him saying if  she becomes president we will have a war in 6 months well ya beat her to that Donny 

[Bliss]

My biggest problem with tRump is that I don't believe a word he says. He cheats on his wives, he cheats on the golf course, he lies about everything from crowd sizes to how "bigly" his maga support is... so when he says something was a spectacular success, I immediately think, "Really?"

Whoever said, "I'm scared"... I am too. May we all live in peace someday. In the meantime, I pray for sane minds to lead us through this madness.

[bluegirl147]

At a briefing this morning Pete Hegseth said this had been planned for months. Really?  Not that I'm surprised but I wonder if MAGA will care that his no wars proclamation was a lie. And before I hear one of them say we are fighting for our freedom just STFU. This is happening because Israel wants us to do their dirty work.

[Eri]

In all of this everyone just takes for granted that Israel also has nuclear weapons? The presence of a nuclear Israel basically incentivises Iran to seek nuclear capabilities as well.  Who makes the rules? A safer world means none should have them no?

Anyway, this aged well - because you know there's always a tweet 🙄

Edited Sunday at 12:45 PM by Eri

[bluegirl147]

7 minutes ago, Eri said:

 

Anyway, this aged well - because you know there's always a tweet 🙄

Well it seems Trump was right. He just had the name of the president wrong.

If Iran retaliates against us and why wouldn't they, and Americans die will the fever finally break for at least some of MAGA?

[JustHereForFood]

12 hours ago, Bastet said:

Someone on "Left, Right & Center" last night: "Iran cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons."

Me, shouting in the car:  "Neither can we!"

There's an ocean of difference between the two.

[JustHereForFood]

12 hours ago, kittykat said:

I mean...this has got to be it right.  I don't want to over state and say WW3 but, this is the beginning right? This is fucking scary and we are totally on the wrong side of history this time.

If North Korean soldiers fighting in Europe doesn't mean WW3, then this definitely doesn't.

Plus, being on the other side of Iranian regime is being on the right side of history, be real please.

[Eri]

35 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

If Iran retaliates against us and why wouldn't they, and Americans die will the fever finally break for at least some of MAGA?

Heh, you know it won't. But I was thinking more along the lines of global prices - for instance the Strait of Hormuz is one of the most strategic check points in the Gulf region and there's already talks of it shutting down from the Iranian government.

Approximately 1/3rd of the world's liquefied natural gas and nearly 25% of total global oil consumption pass through the strait, which makes it a key strategic location for international trade.

Say hello to a rise in gas prices in the coming months if they're serious.

Edited Sunday at 01:33 PM by Eri

[fastiller]

2 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

At a briefing this morning Pete Hegseth said this had been planned for months. Really?  Not that I'm surprised but I wonder if MAGA will care that his no wars proclamation was a lie. And before I hear one of them say we are fighting for our freedom just STFU. This is happening because Israel wants us to do their dirty work.

Hegseth is clearly lying here about the planning for months.  I'm sure I'd've seen it in the Signal chat he 'accidentally' added me to back in March. 😁

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Eri said:

…this aged well - because you know there's always a tweet 🙄

And because I'm a retired college librarian, there's always an original source to cite😉:
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/255784560904773633

 

[tres bien]

In case anyone had any question about what a vindictive ass Donny 2 weeks is here’s another example 

Before staging his big boy attack on Iran he and his team were in contact with top republican congressional leaders but democratic leaders weren’t told of his plan until after the bombs had dropped 

While most republicans were lined up behind Trump in support there were a few that were skeptical and all but one democrat condemned the attack 

That was John Fetterman who posted on X that POTUS made the correct move 

Also according to Iranian state media the Iranian Parliament has approved a measure to close the Strait of Hormuz. 20% of global oil and gas flows through it

[Anela]

2 hours ago, JustHereForFood said:

There's an ocean of difference between the two.

Because Donald Trump follows the rules?

Netanyahu also got what he wanted, and what we didn’t need. 

55 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

And because I'm a retired college librarian, there's always an original source to cite😉:
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/255784560904773633

 

Thanks. I posted it, too. Either here, or somewhere else.

[Anela]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/22/trump-falls-into-the-netanyahu-trap-israel-iran-us

 

What a difference a week makes: Trump falls into the Netanyahu trap

Andrew RothGlobal affairs correspondent

People were starting to laud the US president for his resistance to the Israeli PM’s pull, but what now?

 

[tres bien]

BTW

IIRC before announcing to the public that the US had killed Osama Bin Ladin President Obama called George W Bush first

Mensch versus mean girl 

[Cementhead]

14 hours ago, Anela said:

 

Every accusation is a confession.  

[JustHereForFood]

50 minutes ago, Anela said:

Because Donald Trump follows the rules?

No, because US is not (yet) run by a group of religious psychopaths who hold no elections, murder their own people in thousands and have the annihilation of other countries in their state program.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are people now defending Iran because America bad? (I mean, I know many on other websites are, but here???)

[annzeepark914]

31 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

No, because US is not (yet) run by a group of religious psychopaths who hold no elections, murder their own people in thousands and have the annihilation of other countries in their state program.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are people now defending Iran because America bad? (I mean, I know many on other websites are, but here???)

Right now the US is run by a religious psychopath (Vought) and a neo-Natzi (Miller), fronted by a village idiot who's on a retribution tour. Iran is worse. 

[Dimity]

37 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

Jesus Fucking Christ, are people now defending Iran because America bad? (I mean, I know many on other websites are, but here???)

Agreed.  There is no good guy here.  Whatever the rights and wrongs of the US getting involved right now I do have to roll my eyes at people saying Iran was still months/years away from developing the bomb.  This is not the defense you think it is.

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, JustHereForFood said:

No, because US is not (yet) run by a group of religious psychopaths who hold no elections, murder their own people in thousands and have the annihilation of other countries in their state program.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are people now defending Iran because America bad? (I mean, I know many on other websites are, but here???)

Nobody here is defending Iran. We're appalled by Donald Trump's mendacity. We don't need to run to Israel's defense because Bibi snaps his fingers and Trump is too weak to tell him to fuck off. Putin refused to make Donny look good in Ukraine so now he goes after Russia's favorite City-State to prove his much vaunted "manliness" to his master. And American lives will be lost for it.

 

 

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, JustHereForFood said:

No, because US is not (yet) run by a group of religious psychopaths who hold no elections, murder their own people in thousands and have the annihilation of other countries in their state program.

Jesus Fucking Christ, are people now defending Iran because America bad? (I mean, I know many on other websites are, but here???)

Then Trump should tell us he attacked Iran because their leaders rule with an iron fist and are danger to their own citizens. But he is saying it's because they are making nuclear weapons and are danger to the world.  Does anyone believe he would have ordered the bombings if Israel hadn't already bombed them first?

We already went to war in the Middle East under false pretenses once this century.  Do we really need to do that again?

[ProudMary]

I was very busy yesterday. I wasn't checking my phone and in the evening when I I'd accomplished all that I needed to, I sat down to watch a movie. I'd had "A Complete Unknown" on my watch list for months and decided a young Bob Dylan bio pic was just right for the evening.

At 10:30 p.m., my phone rang and it was my son. He'll often text me at night, but a phone call definitely had me wondering what was up. That's how I found out that we'd bombed Iran. We talked about the situation for half an hour. Anger, incredulity, fear. Why?

I went back to watching the movie. Let me tell you, hearing "Blowin' In the Wind" shortly after hit too damn hard last night.
"How many times must the cannonballs fly
Before they're forever banned?"            ...
"How many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?"
"How many deaths will it take 'til he knows
That too many people have died?"

Then, toward the end of the film, came "Masters of War" like a gut punch.

"Come, you masters of war
You that build the big guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs

You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy"
...
"You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world

For threatenin' my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins"

My daughter-in-law is currently pregnant with my first grandchild. 😥

These Bob Dylan songs are 60+ years old at this point, and unbelievably, just as, if not even more relevant than they were then. How many wars have the "Masters" gotten us involved in since then? 

I know that history repeats itself, but how many times in my own lifetime to I have to see it happen? I'm old, so I guess it's inevitable, but my kids are only in their early thirties and THEY are watching this happen again in their still-young lifetimes. 😡

The feels? I am so sad right now; so sad for my unborn grandchild, but more than anything, I am SO angry. Furious at Trump, his advisors, his Cabinet Secretaries, at elected Republicans, at many elected Democrats. Cowards all. We're on our own, because none of these people will stand up to defend the Constitution they took an oath to protect. In case it hasn't yet been said, what Trump did last night is illegal, but what else is new? 

Also, I'm scared. There are alleged intelligence reports--who knows anymore?--of activity among Iranian sleeper cells in the US. Last week, Iran was talking about an Islamic alliance of nations that included Pakistan. I did not believe that Iran had nuclear capabilities quite yet, but the Pakistanis do. I don't think we get away scot-free on US soil. Boy, I hope I'm wrong. I certainly fear for our troops anywhere in West Asia.

Edited to add: We also pulled at least one carrier group out of the South China Sea to send to the Middle East, leaving Taiwan more vulnerable. I worry about China taking advantage of that. The overall chessboard's not looking great right now.

Edited Sunday at 06:16 PM by ProudMary

[Dimity]

17 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

We already went to war in the Middle East under false pretenses once this century.  Do we really need to do that again?

And we are talking about Donald Trump and his Cabinet of Incompetents.  They will not make decisions in the best interests of anyone but themselves and their billionaire backers.  Donald Jenius Trump is not the man to deal with what he has unleashed.

[tres bien]

We are putting our lives in the hands of an unstable kook. When W took us into war after 9/11 at least he had a credible motive even though it was filled with lies 

This guy doesn’t know what he’s doing the people he’s surrounded himself with don’t know what they’re doing all Trump knows is that Bibi had been bombing Iran for a couple of weeks with no results except that Iran was freely sending bombs into Tel Aviv and Haifa and so Bibi had to have Trump step in

No matter that Trump promised he would not involve the US in a war in the Middle East 

No matter that he says the US totally obliterated Iran’s nuclear sites but he doesn’t know that at this point and also claims there still might be targets and that Iran could suffer more in the days to come while saying it was a one and done 

Oh and by the way “I just want to say we love God”

So here we are we’ve got the blind leading the blind and if something positive comes out of this it’s either going to be dumb luck or a miracle 

[peacheslatour]

This wasn't a military action in response to anything. This was precipitated by Trump attempting to shake down Iran for a "better deal" - invalidating an existing treaty, attempting to use Israel to extort Iran for a "better deal" and approving an Israeli strike when Iran didn't comply fast enough - only to then pigpile onto the Israeli strike when they couldn't do enough damage to "punish" Iran for refusing Trump's rapine advances.

Unilateral military action without Congressional oversight or approval, without a clear and present danger to the United States? Yeah, impeach his warmongering ass.

 

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, tres bien said:

When W took us into war after 9/11 at least he had a credible motive

Yeah, oil.

[peacheslatour]

https://www.newsweek.com/topic/dmitry-medvedev

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said Sunday that President Donald Trump "has pushed the US into another war" and that countries are "ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."

Medvedev made the remarks on Telegram, outlining his views on what the Trump administration's strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities would lead to moving forward.

"The enrichment of nuclear material—and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons—will continue," Medvedev, a top ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in his Telegram post. "A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."

[Bastet]

Best summation I've come across so far: A smart and evil man manipulated a stupid and evil man into a war against a fanatical and evil regime.

[peacheslatour]

[Affogato]

41 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

We need a yuck emoji in the response list. 

[Annber03]

Just gonna post this here: 

https://www.avclub.com/the-onion-new-york-times-advertisement-congress

[anony.miss]

Are we really here again? Iran bad, so the US attacking Iran must be good?

That's the argument Republicans used to justify Bush invading Iraq, even though evidence of WMD was non-existent: Saddam is a monster, taking him out is the right thing to do. We all know how that turned out.  It's also the argument used by the most disturbed members of MAGA:  stopping liberals is being on the right side of defending the country, so feel free to oppose, attack, lock up, or even assault  Democrats. We all know how that turned out, just last weekend.

I'm done with that argument. I'm done living in a universe where Republican presidents lose control of their egos, order military strikes that are unconstitutional and illegal - plunging the world into chaos -   and then wrap themselves in the flag to distract from their amoral folly.

Speaking of flag waving: here's Trump's response to one of the few Republicans denouncing him, Thomas Massie.

"He’s a simple-minded ‘grandstander’ who thinks it’s good politics for Iran to have the highest level Nuclear weapon, while at the same time yelling ‘DEATH TO AMERICA’ at every chance they get."

https://archive.ph/bmqRR

How fitting that Trump marches with an army of strawmen.

Edited Sunday at 09:43 PM by anony.miss

[Anela]

@JustHereForFood But we are now run by religious zealots (and just plain assholes), and we're trying to deal with that. And he hasn't played by the rules, since he was inaugurated again. He just lied, to bomb another country. 

I don't see anyone defending the leaders of Iran. But I just saw a video of someone from Palantir (?) talking about the need for a regime change in Iran, and they're probably connected. But I'm too tired to get into all of that. I wasn't being testy with you.

 

I'm going to stop thinking about this for a while, and read my book. 

Edited Sunday at 09:46 PM by Anela

[bluegirl147]

13 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

Speaking of: here's Trump's response to one of the few Republicans denouncing him, Thomas Massie.

"He’s a simple-minded ‘grandstander’ who thinks it’s good politics for Iran to have the highest level Nuclear weapon, while at the same time yelling ‘DEATH TO AMERICA’ at every chance they get."

https://archive.ph/bmqRR

How fitting that Trump marches with an army of strawmen.

Trump sees everything in black and white.  We can think Iran having nuclear weapons is not a good idea at the same time thinking attacking them will only make things worse. Iran has some pretty powerful allies in China and Russia and they would love to see us get into a mess so we will be distracted from the two of them doing God knows what.

I fear hostile forces outside the US will do something we have been unable to do. Get rid of Donald Trump. But how many innocent Americans will be taken down with him?

[Anela]

And Donald Trump does not care about the women of Iran. He's trying to undo anything good for women right here in the US. There's no way that he bombed Iran, for the women who were protesting a few years ago. 

[tearknee]

Although I despise the "peace movement" for many reasons (one of which is that they don't care who they are siding with).

[JustHereForFood]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

https://www.newsweek.com/topic/dmitry-medvedev

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, the deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, said Sunday that President Donald Trump "has pushed the US into another war" and that countries are "ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."

Medvedev made the remarks on Telegram, outlining his views on what the Trump administration's strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities would lead to moving forward.

"The enrichment of nuclear material—and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons—will continue," Medvedev, a top ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in his Telegram post. "A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads."

Just a heads-up, Medvedev has been talking for years about nuking Europe. It is really hard to take him seriously anymore, he's a terrorist who works on manipulating people's fears.

[Dimity]

47 minutes ago, Anela said:

I'm going to stop thinking about this for a while, and read my book. 

I recommend the Miss Read books, set in an England - mid century - that probably never really existed.  But they are charming, peaceful and are helping take my mind off current events.

[JustHereForFood]

I am normally not thinking much about reaction emojis, but I have been trying to figure out what is so laughable about my post that two posters (some of my favorite here, I have to say) have laughed about it. Is it the fact that the starving men of North Korea have been drafted by Russia to fight in their stupid war in Ukraine? Or the fact that I dare point out that if Russia using Iranian drones and North Korean fighters in Europe doesn't mean WW3 then a few strikes by the USA in Iran will not either (it won't).

Or the fact that Iranian regime is the bad guy here by far? That isn't something that anyone who considers themselves a feminist can argue, considering their actions against women, gay people, or anyone who protests their actions )and no, there isn't any parallel to be made with the US.