Chit-Chat: The Feels

[Soapy Goddess]

8 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Statues may have been taken down, and there was a South Park episode goofing on it, but Columbus Day has never been ashes. My thought is that if he gets enough pats on the head, he’ll move to cancel Juneteenth.

What does restoration have to do with repealing?

7 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

If he hasn't already he will next make it mandatory to say merry Christmas. 

If anything, we've been strongly advised over the years to only say Happy Holidays, or risk being criticized for insulting the masses.

Edited April 28 by Soapy Goddess

[Annber03]

I worked in retail. As have my entire family. We said both to customers numerous times and nobody gave a shit one way or another. 

[Yeah No]

10 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I find that a lot of these converts never did the work of deconstructing their faith before hopping aboard SS Catholic. So if they came from a legalistic Protestant faith, then they carry over their legalistic tendencies. Or of they come from a faith where they did a lot of outside reading like Bible commentaries, they go hard reading the works of Aquinas and other male doctors of the church. While the rest of us Cradle Catholics are like WTF that's the job of the priest. Our job is to go to mass, say our prayers, and do good works. I mean, the Church went through all that effort creating a liturgical calendar and publish books on what prayers to say when, why am I going to do my own research and question my priest and his superiors?

That's interesting, because as an Episcopalian (which is not a "legalistic" protestant denomination) that attended a Jesuit university I had to read Aquinas' Metaphysics in my Theology classes, although that was not about liturgics. I did notice that a lot of cradle Catholics struggled with the more philosophical aspects of their faith and with being told that they should reflect on and question their faith. It didn't come naturally to them. They acted like that was for priests only and their job was as you say, to attend mass, pray and do good works. And other than priests in training, no one would argue the finer points of the liturgy either. 

But to be honest I always noticed that converts from the legalistic protestant faiths tended to be attracted to the RC church precisely because it had so many "rules and regulations" to follow. They wouldn't see some of the mainstream protestant churches like mine as being as strict and hard-line about those things and thus not as much to their liking.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

I worked in retail. As have my entire family. We said both to customers numerous times and nobody gave a shit one way or another. 

It was never a rule when I worked in the corporate world to say "Happy Holidays" in place of "Merry Christmas", but it was strongly suggested by HR. And even that was enough to make people stop saying it unless they specifically knew you were a Christian. They just wouldn't use the term Christmas for parties and business holiday cards. That changeover happened at least 20 years ago now. I remember attending office Christmas parties in the '90s but don't remember exactly when that ended. I don't remember anyone saying "Merry Christmas" in any group or public context at work for at least a decade before I left that world. When we had holiday parties they weren't called Christmas parties anymore. I never had a problem with that as I worked with people from all walks of life and understood that it was more inclusive and respectful to leave religion out of it.

[PRgal]

3 hours ago, Yeah No said:

That's interesting, because as an Episcopalian (which is not a "legalistic" protestant denomination) that attended a Jesuit university I had to read Aquinas' Metaphysics in my Theology classes, although that was not about liturgics. I did notice that a lot of cradle Catholics struggled with the more philosophical aspects of their faith and with being told that they should reflect on and question their faith. It didn't come naturally to them. They acted like that was for priests only and their job was as you say, to attend mass, pray and do good works. And other than priests in training, no one would argue the finer points of the liturgy either. 

But to be honest I always noticed that converts from the legalistic protestant faiths tended to be attracted to the RC church precisely because it had so many "rules and regulations" to follow. They wouldn't see some of the mainstream protestant churches like mine as being as strict and hard-line about those things and thus not as much to their liking.

Lots of rules that more life-long Catholics don’t follow to a T!  Saying this as someone who identifies as being “it’s complicated” when asked about religion . 

Edited April 28 by PRgal

[tres bien]

New interview with Atlantic magazine 

Trump “I run the country and the world”

[Bookworm 1979]

So it's election day in Canada, and I'm very scared that the conservatives are going to win this one. It doesn't help that I live in a conservative hellscape. I'm hoping that the rest of Canada is smarter than Alberta. 

Saw my in-laws during the Easter long weekend, and my MIL was going on about how great it was that Trump was cutting out all the wasteful spending.  Just...what? Told my husband after we got home that if he didn't look so much like his family, I would swear he was adopted.

 

[lookeyloo]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

f anything, we've been strongly advised over the years to only say Happy Holidays, or risk being criticized for insulting the masses.

I hear about that a lot in forums and such but I have lived in the south most of my Long adult life and the great majority of people say Merry Christmas.  I have never heard anyone say they are offended. And I am Jewish. I am not offended when people who know I am Jewish say Merry Christmas. I say Merry Christmas to everyone as it comes up. I think that is overblown by some factions in some areas to cause dissent.  Those same people every year still ask me if I am ready for Christmas and/or what are my Christmas plans.  And I nicely remind them every year and they are still surprised. No one ever got in a wad either way.  I am not  special. I know lots of people who are agnostic/athesist and we just let it go. 

[tres bien]

2 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

I hear about that a lot in forums and such but I have lived in the south most of my Long adult life and the great majority of people say Merry Christmas.  I have never heard anyone say they are offended. And I am Jewish. I am not offended when people who know I am Jewish say Merry Christmas. I say Merry Christmas to everyone as it comes up. I think that is overblown by some factions in some areas to cause dissent.  Those same people every year still ask me if I am ready for Christmas and/or what are my Christmas plans.  And I nicely remind them every year and they are still surprised. No one ever got in a wad either way.  I am not  special. I know lots of people who are agnostic/athesist and we just let it go. 

Agree 

As a Jewish person I don’t care if people wish me Merry Christmas or Happy Easter I thank them and I wish them the same 

What I’m sick of is the MAGAs faux outrage at antisemitism of which they know nothing about while pushing their we’re a Christian nation rhetoric 

I’m corrected when I refer to any white non Jewish person as a Christian because that’s just not true 

[Affogato]

6 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

 

If anything, we've been strongly advised over the years to only say Happy Holidays, or risk being criticized for insulting the masses.

Christians are not oppressed. If you work in a company where people of several religions work abd the company has a holiday party that coincides with the winter solstice, calling it a holiday party is not freaking oppression. No one is saying you can’t celebrate your way. Christianity DOES NOT have to be the dominate religion. Repeat this. It is OK if I am not the most numerous and loudest.  Asking me to act politely to others is not oppression. 

[PRgal]

24 minutes ago, tres bien said:

Agree 

As a Jewish person I don’t care if people wish me Merry Christmas or Happy Easter I thank them and I wish them the same 

What I’m sick of is the MAGAs faux outrage at antisemitism of which they know nothing about while pushing their we’re a Christian nation rhetoric 

I’m corrected when I refer to any white non Jewish person as a Christian because that’s just not true 

As a Christmukkah family, “Happy Holidays” is probably the most accurate way for us.  

[EtheltoTillie]

On 4/26/2025 at 2:52 PM, DrSpaceman73 said:

Deported a 2 year old legal citizen. 

 

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/26/nx-s1-5378077/honduras-deported-girl-citizen

 

 

 

Here is something I posted earlier and it seemed to have disappeared.  It is back by action of the editing software.  ???  I had posted a reaction saying that the removal of the two-year-old fit Trump's birthright citizenship agenda.  Someone had asked why he would do this.  My only answer is that it fits that agenda.  I believe the two year old was not stripped of citizenship, as I understand it, but she was sequestered and then forced to leave with one parent before the second parent could stop it.???  Cruelty all around. 

Edited April 28 by EtheltoTillie

[tres bien]

Leading up to Trump’s 100 days in office tis his week 39% of independents approve of the job he’s doing 

I suspect these are not independents but MAGA’s without party affiliation 🤷‍♀️

Edited April 28 by tres bien

[EtheltoTillie]

Speaking of Trump's birthright citizenship agenda, this article (gift link) starts with that.  It was just published in the Times, with discussion by legal scholars of all his 100 day actions. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/28/opinion/trump-constitution-rule-of-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.DE8.bUWv.aqU_KKArdCEH&smid=url-share

This has been plotted for a long time by the conservative think tanks.  They have carefully crafted actions they think will pass muster in the courts and also put forth a bunch which are real tests.   It doesn't spring from Trump's pea brain.  But he does support the cruel outcomes.

Once they got a Supreme Court to reverse the Roe v. Wade precedent, they thought they could get a reversal of the birthright citizenship precedent.  So when the scholars talk about how that precedent is so sacred, I am not so sure.  TBD.

Good luck to you today, Canadian friends. 

Edited April 28 by EtheltoTillie

[bluegirl147]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

I know lots of people who are agnostic/athesist and we just let it go. 

As an atheist I agree.  If someone wishes me Merry Christmas I don't get offended because to me Christmas is about a decorated tree, giving presents and having a nice meal. I personally say Happy Holidays because I don't always know what someone else celebrates.

1 hour ago, tres bien said:

What I’m sick of is the MAGAs faux outrage at antisemitism of which they know nothing about while pushing their we’re a Christian nation rhetoric 

And agreed with Trump when talking about Charlottesville when he said there were very fine people on both sides. They are only against antisemitism because Israel is wiping Palestinians off the map and they approve of that. 

1 hour ago, Affogato said:

Asking me to act politely to others is not oppression. 

But certain groups think it is. As I say they hate that  their intolerance won't be tolerated.

 

[fairffaxx]

1 hour ago, PRgal said:

As a Christmukkah family, “Happy Holidays” is probably the most accurate way for us.  

But if someone who doesn't know your family's religious affiliations wishes you a Merry Christmas, do you take offense?  I think that's the issue -- we should accept the speaker's expression of goodwill, rather than quibble about the words he/she has used.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Affogato said:

Christians are not oppressed. If you work in a company where people of several religions work abd the company has a holiday party that coincides with the winter solstice, calling it a holiday party is not freaking oppression. No one is saying you can’t celebrate your way. Christianity DOES NOT have to be the dominate religion. Repeat this. It is OK if I am not the most numerous and loudest.  Asking me to act politely to others is not oppression. 

I would also like to note that the Christmas Season pushed by the American retail sector does not match with the liturgical calendar. Saying Merry Christmas before the 4th Sunday of Advent is technically incorrect. Christmas does not start until sunset(ish) on December 24th for those who use the Gregorian Calendar. And the Christmas Season lasts for 12 days after December 25th. I do not understand the people who take offense at someone saying Happy Holidays on December 15th because it is not Christmas yet. Happy Holidays encompasses all who celebrate their various holidays in December and January.

[Yeah No]

3 hours ago, PRgal said:

Lots of rules that more life-long Catholics don’t follow to a T!  Saying this as someone who identifies as being “it’s complicated” when asked about religion . 

Yeah, the attitude toward the rules is very different between cradle Catholics and the newly converted.

2 hours ago, Bookworm 1979 said:

So it's election day in Canada, and I'm very scared that the conservatives are going to win this one. It doesn't help that I live in a conservative hellscape. I'm hoping that the rest of Canada is smarter than Alberta. 

Many hugs to you and here's hoping my faith in the rest of Canada to rescue you from some of your hell is not misplaced. Having met a young Maple Maga couple from Alberta on a cruise in February I saw firsthand what you're up against, and it's pretty shocking.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

I hear about that a lot in forums and such but I have lived in the south most of my Long adult life and the great majority of people say Merry Christmas.  I have never heard anyone say they are offended. And I am Jewish. I am not offended when people who know I am Jewish say Merry Christmas. I say Merry Christmas to everyone as it comes up. I think that is overblown by some factions in some areas to cause dissent.  Those same people every year still ask me if I am ready for Christmas and/or what are my Christmas plans.  And I nicely remind them every year and they are still surprised. No one ever got in a wad either way.  I am not  special. I know lots of people who are agnostic/athesist and we just let it go. 

My Jewish grandfather, who married my Christian grandmother was not very religious. He believed in God but did not follow the Jewish faith like the rest of his family. He put up a Christmas tree in his house and gave me Christmas gifts. Growing up I knew a couple of Jewish families that put up Christmas trees in addition to a menorah.

3 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

And agreed with Trump when talking about Charlottesville when he said there were very fine people on both sides. They are only against antisemitism because Israel is wiping Palestinians off the map and they approve of that. 

Right. And the only reason they approve of that is because that's what Herr Trump wants. I think the Trump supporting racist hate groups that also hate Jews put up with Trump's stance on Israel as a little idiosyncrasy of his. His faux support is all for appearance's sake as his daughter is married to a Jew.  It's also to pander to the religious right's support of Israel due its beliefs about the end times and Armageddon, etc. But we all know he probably really can't stand Jews.

2 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

And the Christmas Season lasts for 12 days after December 25th. I do not understand the people who take offense at someone saying Happy Holidays on December 15th because it is not Christmas yet. Happy Holidays encompasses all who celebrate their various holidays in December and January.

It always used to bug me that my next door neighbors would take their Christmas lights down the day right after Christmas because technically there were several more days of Christmas to go. I don't know why that bothered me so much but it did, LOL. After a while they stopped taking them down so soon. Perhaps someone close to them made that point to them and that caused them to change on that - probably their son who was the one putting them up and taking them down, LOL.

[Bookish Jen]

18 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

 

I find that a lot of these converts never did the work of deconstructing their faith before hopping aboard SS Catholic. So if they came from a legalistic Protestant faith, then they carry over their legalistic tendencies. Or of they come from a faith where they did a lot of outside reading like Bible commentaries, they go hard reading the works of Aquinas and other male doctors of the church. While the rest of us Cradle Catholics are like WTF that's the job of the priest. Our job is to go to mass, say our prayers, and do good works. I mean, the Church went through all that effort creating a liturgical calendar and publish books on what prayers to say when, why am I going to do my own research and question my priest and his superiors?

I was raised Catholic, and though I haven't been to Mass in years, being raised Catholic left me with two very positive things, an appreciation for education (I went to a wonderful all-women's Catholic college) and the willingness to be of service for others (I've been volunteering in my community for decades).

However, a lot of Catholic converts truly bug me. They're so smug and self-righteous acting like they are the best Catholics ever. And my theory on why so many of them are like this is because they didn't grow up immersed in the guilt and shame so many cradle Catholics did. Plus, I think a lot of women who convert to Catholicism as adults are just pissed off that they couldn't dress up like brides when they were little girls like we did for our First Communion.

And it's scary how many Catholic converts hate the late Pope Francis. 

[Yeah No]

1 minute ago, Bookish Jen said:

However, a lot of Catholic converts truly bug me. They're so smug and self-righteous acting like they are the best Catholics ever. And my theory on why so many of them are like this is because they didn't grow up immersed in the guilt and shame so many cradle Catholics did. Plus, I think a lot of women who convert to Catholicism as adults are just pissed off that they couldn't dress up like brides when they were little girls like we did for our First Communion.

And it's scary how many Catholic converts hate the late Pope Francis. 

That's interesting because I know of a few Jewish converts to Christianity (including my best friend of 50 years) and all of them were to right wing fundamentalist churches, which always blew my mind, but I had a similar theory about their attitude toward Christianity being much different from mine because they didn't grow up in a Christian church. Although I am an Episcopalian I would have much rather that they had converted to Roman Catholic than fundamentalist protestant churches. But what I think attracted them to the fundamentalist churches was their personal angle on faith and relationship with God, which is in the forefront in such denominations. And it has a way of seducing people that are starved for that.

My own best friend, who was born Jewish, was taken in by the cultish mentality of a church in NYC that later shut down thanks to the pastor embezzling church funds to line his own pockets (what else is new, right? 🙄). I did try to warn her but of course she would never have listened to me about these churches. No, she knew better than her own best friend who was not only a Christian from birth but had studied Theology no less, LOL. She was brainwashed into thinking I wasn't even a Christian much less should she take advice from me! She later admitted I was right and apologized to me but she still belongs to a "Bible church" and is a fundamentalist. Whatever.

[PRgal]

@Bookish Jen:  not all little girls dressed like brides for their first communion.  Our school/Parish forced EVERYONE to wear ugly white choir gowns.  I think it had to do with inclusion:  kids came from a wide range of incomes.  

[Ohiopirate02]

9 minutes ago, Bookish Jen said:

And it's scary how many Catholic converts hate the late Pope Francis. 

I really am not that surprised at this because the Catholic converts we are talking about here are the ones who attend the parishes where the priests are hardcore Vatican II haters. Back in the 70s and 80s the priests who couldn't cut it with English instead of Latin, having to face the congregation instead of having your back to them during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and the Guitar Mass tended to end up in the seminaries. It was either that or missionary work. These priests retreated from the world but brought their opinions with them as they taught the next generations of priests. The result is now there are hundreds of white American men who became priests who are now working in parishes that despise the Vatican II changes. They brought back weekly Latin Masses and wear cassocks instead of just a clerical collar and black shirt. Then the Rad Trad Catholics flock to these churches, and eventually the converts because the Rad Trad Catholics are the lay ministers who teach the catechism classes. You rarely see the "more Catholic than the pope" type of convert at more laid-back parishes or parishes where liberation theology is preached and practiced.

[lookeyloo]

all good points.  Mine was that I am guessing in every day life with every day people most of us just go with the flow and when someone says "war on Christmas"  "bringing back Merry christmas" it isn't really necessary and just serves to give some people a chance to put a chip on their shoulder.  They probably never have experienced any problems in real life.

[Dimity]

The whole happy holidays/merry christmas thing reminds me of the way people can behave in stores with  Mrs/Ms/Miss.  Just another way to be a jerk towards someone who can't react.  Working with the public is hard enough without the entitled few playing word games to trap someone so you can put on your righteous indignation act. 

[Yeah No]

7 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I really am not that surprised at this because the Catholic converts we are talking about here are the ones who attend the parishes where the priests are hardcore Vatican II haters. Back in the 70s and 80s the priests who couldn't cut it with English instead of Latin, having to face the congregation instead of having your back to them during the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and the Guitar Mass tended to end up in the seminaries. It was either that or missionary work. These priests retreated from the world but brought their opinions with them as they taught the next generations of priests. The result is now there are hundreds of white American men who became priests who are now working in parishes that despise the Vatican II changes. They brought back weekly Latin Masses and wear cassocks instead of just a clerical collar and black shirt. Then the Rad Trad Catholics flock to these churches, and eventually the converts because the Rad Trad Catholics are the lay ministers who teach the catechism classes. You rarely see the "more Catholic than the pope" type of convert at more laid-back parishes or parishes where liberation theology is preached and practiced.

I remember hearing about those priests when I was attending a Jesuit university in the late '70s. And here we are 50 years later and obviously not much has changed - wow. I also learned how very different Jesuits are in terms of philosophy than Diocesan priests. Jesuits were by comparison very progressive - often scandalously so even by post Vatican II Church standards. Many of them were for women Priests, gay rights and inclusion and birth control - and many were but were afraid to admit it. Knowing that Francis was a Jesuit I knew he would do what he could to advance the Church toward some of these things and he did, although more needs to be done. I am frustrated that it was incomplete but at the same time impressed that he actually made some progress.

[mariah23]

I didn’t dress as a bride for my first Communion; in fact, some people threw a fit because I didn’t wear a veil.

[Dimity]

20 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Jesuits were by comparison very progressive - often scandalously so even by post Vatican II Church standards

This explains why the Church I experienced growing up (including a parish priest who  encouraged birth control in pre marriage counseling) is not the Church I keep hearing about from others.  Perhaps our church being called St. Ignatius Loyola should have been my first clue.

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

But to be honest I always noticed that converts from the legalistic protestant faiths tended to be attracted to the RC church precisely because it had so many "rules and regulations" to follow. They wouldn't see some of the mainstream protestant churches like mine as being as strict and hard-line about those things and thus not as much to their liking.

Eastern Orthodoxy gets a good percentage of its converts from the more legalistic conservative denominations.  They seem to love the rigor that can be found in it. 

[PRgal]

4 hours ago, Bookworm 1979 said:

So it's election day in Canada, and I'm very scared that the conservatives are going to win this one. It doesn't help that I live in a conservative hellscape. I'm hoping that the rest of Canada is smarter than Alberta. 

Saw my in-laws during the Easter long weekend, and my MIL was going on about how great it was that Trump was cutting out all the wasteful spending.  Just...what? Told my husband after we got home that if he didn't look so much like his family, I would swear he was adopted.

 

Reminder to Canadians:  Don't forget to vote today if you haven't already done so!!!  Polls as of last night:

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/federal-election-2025/2025/04/28/liberals-lead-conservatives-by-3-points-on-eve-of-federal-election-nanos/

Alberta will go mostly Tory Blue for sure, but Ontario and BC will likely be a mix.  Toronto and Ottawa will almost definitely be Liberal Red, IMHO.  My riding has a high profile Liberal candidate who will likely be re-elected.

[Ohiopirate02]

5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

This explains why the Church I experienced growing up (including a parish priest who  encouraged birth control in pre marriage counseling) is not the Church I keep hearing about from others.  Perhaps our church being called St. Ignatius Loyola should have been my first clue.

I have never had a Jesuit as a pastor, but I did grow up in churches where most families had 1-3 kids. And none of the priests made a fuss about this. I think they knew that smaller families meant the parents had more time and money to give to the church. This also meant I grew up in churches where the women were educated and worked outside of the home, and I got to see that being a woman meant I had multiple paths open to me. I could have a career and a family or I could just have the career or the family.

[Lugal]

10 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

If anything, we've been strongly advised over the years to only say Happy Holidays, or risk being criticized for insulting the masses.

10 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I worked in retail. As have my entire family. We said both to customers numerous times and nobody gave a shit one way or another. 

I also worked retail and would say both.  Over all the years, I had maybe one person who bristled slightly at "Happy Holidays." Mostly we just said Happy Holidays because "[Have a] Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" is a mouthful when you have to repeat it constantly throughout the holiday season.

 

[peacheslatour]

There are 100 of these lining the White House lawn. How soon will it be heads on pikes?

[Mondrianyone]

12 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

There are 100 of these lining the White House lawn. How soon will it be heads on pikes?

If there's room for 34 more . . .

[tres bien]

This what the MSM did to America. Thanks a lot 😡

In their soon to be released book CNN’s Jake Tapper and Axios’s Alex Thompson write about Joe Biden’s run for reelection despite evidence of his serious decline amid desperate efforts to hide the extent of that deterioration 

Funny that no one ever questioned the mental acuity or physical fitness of DJT

I saw pictures of the former and current presidents at the funeral of Pope Francis and seriously these reporters will never get my respect or attention ever again 

[peacheslatour]

7 minutes ago, tres bien said:

This what the MSM did to America. Thanks a lot 😡

In their soon to be released book CNN’s Jake Tapper and Axios’s Alex Thompson write about Joe Biden’s run for reelection despite evidence of his serious decline amid desperate efforts to hide the extent of that deterioration 

Funny that no one ever questioned the mental acuity or physical fitness of DJT

I saw pictures of the former and current presidents at the funeral of Pope Francis and seriously these reporters will never get my respect or attention ever again 

During the 2016 election run up, most of the people I knew thought Donald's candidacy was a joke. Then I started seeing him on CNN all the time. I couldn't believe they were treating him as a legitimate candidate. Now here we are almost ten years later and the nightmare continues.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

Now here we are almost ten years later and the nightmare continues.

And each and every day it gets worse.

[peacheslatour]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

And each and every day it gets worse.

Christ, what a moron. What time do the polls close?

[Kemper]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

During the 2016 election run up, most of the people I knew thought Donald's candidacy was a joke. Then I started seeing him on CNN all the time. I couldn't believe they were treating him as a legitimate candidate. Now here we are almost ten years later and the nightmare continues.

Morning Joe on MSNBC was terrible. He was on what seemed to be several times a week.  Mostly just to "riff", laugh it up and appear to be an actual human being. It did turn around and bite them after he was elected.  So there is that.

[Anela]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

There are 100 of these lining the White House lawn. How soon will it be heads on pikes?

That's disgusting. He was also accused of the second one, and he wished Ghislaine Maxwell, well, when she was arrested. 

10 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

During the 2016 election run up, most of the people I knew thought Donald's candidacy was a joke. Then I started seeing him on CNN all the time. I couldn't believe they were treating him as a legitimate candidate. Now here we are almost ten years later and the nightmare continues.

I remember wanting him to go away, as soon as I saw his first speeches, when he decided to run. It felt like a horrible joke, but I saw all of these signs popping up, and when I mentioned it anywhere, I was told to stop worrying, everything would be fine. Uh-huh.

[Affogato]

https://apple.news/AWEV77TGcSYahB8Pui9jY_A

Trump Demands Criminal Probe After Most Brutal Poll Numbers Yet

Americans are fed up with Trump after his first 100 days—and he’s not handling the news well.
 

“We don’t have a Free and Fair ‘Press’ in this Country anymore. We have a Press that writes BAD STORIES, and CHEATS, BIG, ON POLLS,” Trump posted, just minutes after his first rant. “IT IS COMPROMISED AND CORRUPT. SAD!”

[fastiller]

35 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

During the 2016 election run up, most of the people I knew thought Donald's candidacy was a joke. Then I started seeing him on CNN all the time. I couldn't believe they were treating him as a legitimate candidate. Now here we are almost ten years later and the nightmare continues.

I remember having conversations during '16 about just this issue.  There would be a camera trained on an empty podium for what felt like hours, waiting for him to take the stage, all the while Hillary was an afterthought.  

[peacheslatour]

30 minutes ago, fastiller said:

I remember having conversations during '16 about just this issue.  There would be a camera trained on an empty podium for what felt like hours, waiting for him to take the stage, all the while Hillary was an afterthought.  

That's one of his "power" moves, making people wait for him. It goes with that weird handshake he did with other heads of state, until they got hip to his shit.

[fastiller]

7 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

That's one of his "power" moves, making people wait for him. It goes with that weird handshake he did with other heads of state, until they got hip to his shit.

Right.  The convo above was about coverage during '16 campaign. The networks didn't get hip to his shit, sadly.

[Annber03]

5 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

And agreed with Trump when talking about Charlottesville when he said there were very fine people on both sides. They are only against antisemitism because Israel is wiping Palestinians off the map and they approve of that. 

 

This. It all fits into their creepy fetishistic "end times" cosplay they so desperately want to see play out. If they really gave a shit about antisemitism they'd be railing against the people in the GOP who are out here hanging out with and getting support from neo-Nazi groups and people like Musk giving Nazi salutes. 

And yet...crickets.

4 hours ago, Dimity said:

The whole happy holidays/merry christmas thing reminds me of the way people can behave in stores with  Mrs/Ms/Miss.  Just another way to be a jerk towards someone who can't react.  Working with the public is hard enough without the entitled few playing word games to trap someone so you can put on your righteous indignation act. 

YES. Like, if I say "happy holidays" to a customer, I swear it doesn't have squat to do with being PC or being against Christmas/Christians ro whatever other BS reason the right tries to push. I'm saying it because a) it's a nice thing to say, and b) it's the quickest thing I can think of to say before I have to tend to the next customer. I'd be willing to make a safe bet that te people who get all bent out of shape over retail workers saying "happy holidays" are probably the same ones who are more than happy to stick around a store right up to, if not past, closing time or whio'll get all huffy because WHY ISN'T THE STORE OPEN YET or who think store rules don't apply to them when it comes to trying to return items or something and "want to speak to the manager". 

The bottom line is that Christmas is THE most marketed holiday in this entire country. Many businesses still allow people to take time off for Christmas - my workplace is closed on Christmas day. If Jewish people or people celebrating any other faith want to take time off, they likely have to request PTO to do so. If Christians really wanted to complain about something, maybe they could focus on why such a supposedly sacred holiday to them has become so commercialized, to the point where the actual meaning of the holiday is lost among the retail push and the Christmas ads that start as early as freaking late summer. 

Christians make up a good portion of our government. We have the Christian right making footholds into our politics and using their beliefs to help influence our laws, laws which will affect those of us who aren't Christian and have no interest in living by Christian law.

But yeah. Sure, Christians. You are just so persecuted because somonne dares to say "happy holidays". Gimme a break. 

[Anela]

If they really cared about antisemitism, they would be deporting the Proud Boys, and other white supremacist groups (the "home-grown"). The same people I'm told are protected under the first amendment, when it comes to their protests/rallies. But they can kidnap and deport students, for protesting genocide. 

Edited April 28 by Anela

[Ohiopirate02]

11 minutes ago, fastiller said:

Right.  The convo above was about coverage during '16 campaign. The networks didn't get hip to his shit, sadly.

None of the networks really cared. They welcomed the daily Trump phone call because it meant higher ratings which leads to more ad revenue and book deals for the various anchors. As long as they can make money with Trump, they will let him get away with everything. I know there are still some journalists and producers who do keep an ethical code, but the CEOs sure as hell do not. And the ethical ones are all getting fired for doing their job or quitting.

[Dimity]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

Christ, what a moron. What time do the polls close?

They are staggered across the country to try and make it so that most of the results start coming in around the same time.  Where I am it is 9.30.  In times gone by people on the West Coast often hadn't even finished voting when they were pretty much calling the election for one party or the other!

Edited April 28 by Dimity

[peacheslatour]

5 minutes ago, Dimity said:

They are staggered across the country to try and make it so that most of the results start coming in around the same time.  Where I am it is 9.30.  In times gone by people on the West Coast often hadn't even finished voting when they were pretty much calling the election for one party or the other!

I wish we had that here!

[PRgal]

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

They are staggered across the country to try and make it so that most of the results start coming in around the same time.  Where I am it is 9.30.  In times gone by people on the West Coast often hadn't even finished voting when they were pretty much calling the election for one party or the other!

Considering they close at 7:30 PT out west, I couldn’t for the life of me understand why it’s not 10:30 to 10:30 ET.  The Atlantic and NT zones can do their own thing.