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1 minute ago, Avaleigh said:

Still going back and forth between feelings of anger and sadness. They're literally not even hiding it anymore. Whatever veneer or sliver remained where they'd pretend that they aren't that bad--it's totally gone and has been ever since he was re-elected.

This all just reinforces for me how very much I am in agreement that people have every right to be concerned about the direction this coutry is headed. 

I know I should be past surprise at this point, but this really did shock me.

I'll post this here. It made me feel better. It's like what Sam says at the end of The Two Towers.

“Frodo: I can’t do this, Sam.

Sam: I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.

Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?

Sam: That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”

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I just keep quoting Padme Amidala in my head, you know the one.

2 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

  • No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
  • No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
  • No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

The first thing off the top of my head is V-E/V-J day. Technically the end of countless deaths and multiple tragedies but it's all I've got without breaking the rules.

In my time of living Obama's inauguration is probably the closest we've got but there were plenty of detractors and pissed off racists ready to stir shit.  I knew and was friends with plenty of McCain supporters in my circle but the vibe was different.  We all got along and many were excited to see what Obama could do, while we weren't 100% united it was much more civil than today.

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2 hours ago, Bastet said:

But women, especially, whether administrative staff or engineers - it seemed like he got a letter from every woman who'd worked for him after his retirement.  It's profoundly sad how unusual it was for them not to be harassed or dismissed that they were so grateful to him, but I'm glad he was one of the good guys back when they were even more of a rare find.  Hopefully his example also led some men to do better when they became managers.

I had one boss who said I don't care if you're a purple orangutang, if you make me look good, I'll love you and back you.

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6 hours ago, Eri said:

Forgive me y'all - it's Martin Luther King Day and I understand that everyone has their own interpretation of the term "woke," but as a black person, I often notice it being used by non-black individuals in ways that can and still does lead to misunderstandings within communities (I get it, it happens). What's frustrating is how the seriousness of the word has been diluted, used facetiously and ironically on social media when it has a long and serious history in Black culture.

For example, Republicans use it as something of a catchall to criticize anything on the progressive side of the political spectrum they don't like, whether it's teaching about racism in schools, gender transition policies, or books and libraries they deem inappropriate.

Democrats don't seem to understand its full context either except to associate it with degrees of social/political awareness? But again, old white men don't understand the nuances for its use so they just roll with it since they want to appear inclusive with minorities. So for clarity's sake..

The term "woke" was originally used in Black protest songs dating back to the early 20th century. One prominent song featured the word in the 1938 song "Scottsboro Boys." The Scottsboro Boys were nine black teenagers who were accused of raping two white women aboard a train in 1931 in what is widely seen today as one of the worst cases of racist legal injustice. It helped spur the civil rights movement and loosely inspired the book and movie "To Kill A Mockingbird." Modern black activism and the Black Lives Matter movement used the term widely as a rallying cry.

"Woke" merely comes out of the experience of Black people knowing that you have to be conscious of the politics of race, class, gender, systemic racism, ways that society is stratified and not equal. That's it.

Unfortunately now, the word has been co-opted as a political slogan on the right to criticize opposition parties/ institutions/ agencies in a way that promotes anti-Blackness, stratification, and fear; and that's what makes it dangerous (i.e. could lead to violence, like recent cases in which Black people have been shot knocking on a door, for example). I still blame DeSantis for this as he was a primary instigator who brought this "war on woke" narrative to the forefront of his political platform, and it has become a significant factor in how others have subsequently utilized it to create further division in the political landscape (i.e. culture war boogeyman crap).

Just some food for thought.

Excellent post. This needs to be posted somewhere where everyone needs to be required to read it. 

Regarding the term "woke", my basic feeling is if somebody's going to dismiss something for being "too woke", they should be required to explain what the word "woke" actually means first. If they can't do that (and more often than not, they won't), then their opinions should be rendered null and void going forward. 

Regarding MLK Jr., my mom was talking to my aunt last night and mentioned how places were going to be closed today because of MLK, Jr. Day. 

My aunt did not know there was a day honoring MLK, Jr. 

She's older than my mom. 

My mom is in her late 60s. 

(Shocker of shockers, my aunt voted for Trump.) 

5 hours ago, Dimity said:

God knows why but I get a lot of those AITA posts on my FB feed, anyway I'd say at least 90% of them can be summed up with "someone got fed up and met rudeness with rudeness and people didn't like that". 

I see this in political 'discussions' all the time.  We finally get fed up and snap back after being pushed and pushed and then pushed some more and some how we're the one who "can't take a joke" or are "too sensitive".  No, no we're not.  We know you meant what you said and we're tired of listening to it.

This. I'm not going to be polite or understandng or sympathetic to Trump supporters. I'm just not. They are more than happy to fuck over our country and take away people's rights, or support those who want to take away people's rights, and are proud to revel in their ignorance and bigotry. They do not desrve my respect. Period. End of story. If they can't deal with that, that's their problem, not mine. 

I have had these two songs running through my head today, figured they were fitting for the hellhole we're about to enter. This song was written as a commentary on Dubya's presidency, but boy howdy, is it ever fitting for the Orange One and hiis minions, too:

This one also sums up my feelings about today quite well: 

Yeah. Thanks for selling out our country and making us a full on embarrassment to and the laughingstock of the world, Trump supporters. Really appreciate it. 

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I'd probably be more sympathetic to my friends on the left if they were able to accept that things such as pacifism -- which while abstractly good, is a crank ideology in practice -- are not something to advocate. Ceasefires, while they would stop armed conflict, wouldn't save civilians from the aggressor or imperialist power (Japan's proffered peace terms in 1945 etc.)

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3 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

  • No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
  • No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
  • No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

I wasn't alive then, so I couldn't say what the general mood was like, but maybe the Moon Landing?

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2 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

  • No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
  • No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
  • No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

I know you want to know about US but your question made me think about Canada and while I'm sure there have been other instances for us the first one that comes to mind is Terry Fox and his marathon of hope.  We still have annual runs in his honour every year and he recently topped the list of  'people who make Canada proud'.

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So Trump is going to plant a flag on Mars and pass something or another to make sure there are only two genders (he or she there is no they).  Thank god he's got his priorities straight I was worried he might actually do something about inflation or climate change or school shootings or gender based violence or homelessness....

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17 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I know you want to know about US but your question made me think about Canada and while I'm sure there have been other instances for us the first one that comes to mind is Terry Fox and his marathon of hope.  We still have annual runs in his honour every year and he recently topped the list of  'people who make Canada proud'.

I was a baby during the original Marathon of Hope, but annual runs aren’t held at the same time across the country.  I’d say the 2010 Winter Olympics was definitely when Canada was totally united.  At least I felt it.  

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2 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

  • No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
  • No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
  • No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

The Bicentennial? I could be skewed since I was living in the Philadelphia area at the time

 

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23 minutes ago, Dimity said:

So Trump is going to plant a flag on Mars and pass something or another to make sure there are only two genders (he or she there is no they).  Thank god he's got his priorities straight I was worried he might actually do something about inflation or climate change or school shootings or gender based violence or homelessness....

Or the price of eggs! You know, that thing that supposedly was the reason people voted for him, according to our pathetic media? 

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4 hours ago, kittykat said:

I just wish the left could mobilize better and not fall victim to so much infighting.

This has and always will be their downfall - the right always consolidates and comes together, the left always divides within themselves. Some serious conversations that need to be had within the left won't happen and they'll always be in this position..

Don't believe me? I swear Fetterman is becoming the new Joe Manchin.

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The Senate voted Friday to advance the Laken Riley Act, putting Republicans a step closer to sending the first bill of the 119th Congress to President-elect Trump for his signature next week and giving him an early win on one of his key issues.

Senators voted 61-35 to end debate on the bill, with 10 Democrats voting with every Republican; 60 votes were needed. 

Democrats who voted “aye” were

  • Ruben Gallego (Ariz.)
  • Mark Kelly (Ariz.)
  • Jon Ossoff (Ga.)
  • Gary Peters (Mich.)
  • Jacky Rosen (Nev.)
  • Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.)
  • Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.)
  • Maggie Hassan (N.H.)
  • Mark Warner (Va.)
  • Elissa Slotkin (Mich.)
  • Raphael Warnock (Ga.)

Gallego and Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), who did not vote, were co-sponsors of the legislation. 

 

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

And now we are most likely going to have a Secretary of Defense who doesn't think women should serve in the military. As if there wasn't already a lot of sexual harassment and worse in the armed services

Let's see...we have:

  • An alcoholic and misogynist for the Secretary of Defense
  • An anti-vaxxer for head of the Department of Health and Human Services
  • A former wrestling entertainment mogul with no education experience as Secretary of Education
  • A random Fox news host as our Secretary of Transportation
  • A fossil fuel executive for Secretary of Energy
  • A Wall Street executive for Secretary of Commerce
  • A Project 2025 contributor for Office of Management and Budget Director 
  • A hedge fund billionaire for Treasury Secretary
  • A former NFL player for Department of Housing and Urban Development Secretary

And those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head! Indeed, we are living in absurd times. 

Making an easily accessible note for myself for 4 years from now.

Average price of a dozen large eggs in New York State is $6.72 today (asking for a friend 👀

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8 minutes ago, Eri said:

This has and always will be their downfall - as always the right always consolidates and comes together, the left always divides within themselves. Some serious conversations that need to be had within the left won't happen and they'll always be in this position..

I don’t believe that’s always true. I remember feeling like up until the freak out over the debate, the Left were pretty consolidated. I think it was a strength for a large part of Biden’s time in office. It’s how we won so many elections during that time - up until the general election (which is another reason why the whole thing feels suspect.) The Rs were the ones in disarray - that’s how that embarrassment with Kevin McCarthy as Speaker happened and why the House were known as the do nothing Congress. They were incompetent and didn’t really stand together on much. 

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1 minute ago, atomic said:

What the fuck kind of timeline are we living in where Nazi scum who's effectively leading our government is throwing out Sieg Heil salutes to a crowd of cheering supporters??

Will never in a million years understand how it's come to this.

Any Trump supporters/defenders positing on this thread want to chime in on this? Anyone? 

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7 minutes ago, atomic said:

What the fuck kind of timeline are we living in where Nazi scum who's effectively leading our government is throwing out Sieg Heil salutes to a crowd of cheering supporters??

Will never in a million years understand how it's come to this.

 To quote Maya Angelou when they show you who they are believe them.

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4 minutes ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

All Jan 6 rioters, including Proud Boy Leader Enrique Tarrio convicted of seditious conspiracy and serving 22 years, are once again free to walk among us. Enjoy those eggs, folks! 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/20/politics/january-6-2021-capitol-riot-pardons-trump/index.html

I won't hold my breath waiting to hear all those politicians who criticized Biden for pardoning his son criticize Trump.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Any Trump supporters/defenders positing on this thread want to chime in on this? Anyone? 

 

I can tell you what I saw.  (I'd never refer to myself as a 'Trump supporter/defender' as I would have preferred others over him as our candidate.  However, I am a Republican and he's the head of the party and now President so that's that.) 

I saw Musk gesturing towards people, touching his heart and saying 'Thank You' and then turning, touching his heart again and saying 'Thank You' and gesturing to the people sitting behind him.  I don't think he was throwing out Sieg Heil salutes.....no. 

*BUT*, Musk sometimes reminds me of the kid your mother made you invite to your birthday party.  You know, the one you can't stand because he'd be pinging off the walls when everyone else wanted to sit around and play Yahtzee.  This leads me to believe that he could well know how that might look to some and didn't mind stirring the pot and inviting all the potential pearl-clutching to come.  If that's the case, I don't like it, but there's no way to know so I'm not going to condemn him for it as it stands now. 

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Musk is not going to get the benefit of the doubt from me.  If he didn't mean to do it then where is a tweet from him saying so? Even if he didn't mean to do it he is going to let be because it will fire up the base.  It's going to be four years of this and we will be gaslit into believing what we are seeing we really aren't seeing. 

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1 minute ago, bluegirl147 said:

Even if he didn't mean to do it he is going to let be because it will fire up the base. 

I won't link it here but if anyone is interested there is a Rolling Stone article quoting several far right/Fascist US leaders praising Musk and actually saying even if it wasn't intentional they'll take it as a good sign of things to come.  So that's great.

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I'm remembering JImmy Carter addressing a televangeli$t questioning his faith:  "Jerry Falwell can - in a very Christian way - go to hell."

Can't lay claim to the Christian part of that, but yeah, they can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned -  the oligarchs,  the cryto-pushers, the tech bros, the neo-Nazis, the racists, the misogynists,  the 'first lady' with a hat brim so big it could be the next Spacex ship,  the voters who knowingly supported a convicted felon, the repulsive felon himself,  and every member of the GOP who had to hide from a dangerous mob on January sixth, who are now applauding violent insurrectionists being pardoned. May karma find every last one of you.

And I'm forever with her:

AOC: “All these journalists are like ‘Congresswoman, are you going to the inauguration? Congresswoman, are you going to the inauguration? Are you going to the inauguration?’ Let me make myself clear: I don’t celebrate rapists. So no, I’m not going to the inauguration."

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If there is one big thing that the Biden administration should've done, on the very day he took office, he and his administration should've rounded up every last politician involved in January 6th and immediately escorted them all off the property, and ensured that they and Trump could never and would never be allowed back on the premises under any circumstances. That sort of thing isn't up for a vote. You pull that kind of shit, you're automatically gone and right on your way to prison. No ifs, ands, or buts. Nobody would be able to get by with that kind of thing at any other job, after all. 

And then all of Trump's appointees should've been instantly rendered null and void as well, because they've all been tainted with his corruption and criminal activity. 

Like, if ever there was a time for the Democrats to go full scorched earth on the GOP, that was it. 

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6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

Or they will say he is keeping a campaign promise.  Because he is a man of his word don't you know.

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump will be having at least some, if not all, of these Insurrectionists at the White House for a gala celebration.  What is horrifying is that I've also no doubt he will give some of them medals or some other honour.  And what will most in the media say about that?  Not much I am betting.  And will any of those who voted for Trump but 'only' because 'it's the economy stupid' be brave enough to voice condemnation?  Sincerely doubt it.

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Thinking about it, I figure Elon was trying to do the Ancient Roman thing with his arm . . . but you know what? It's close enough to the one we're all thinking of. And if you say that out loud and get crap for it, remind people about FNC talking heads "interpreting" Obama's fist bumps as something beyond obscene.

25 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

If there is one big thing that the Biden administration should've done, on the very day he took office, he and his administration should've rounded up every last politician involved in January 6th and immediately escorted them all off the property, and ensured that they and Trump could never and would never be allowed back on the premises under any circumstances. That sort of thing isn't up for a vote. You pull that kind of shit, you're automatically gone and right on your way to prison. No ifs, ands, or buts. Nobody would be able to get by with that kind of thing at any other job, after all. 

And then all of Trump's appointees should've been instantly rendered null and void as well, because they've all been tainted with his corruption and criminal activity. 

Like, if ever there was a time for the Democrats to go full scorched earth on the GOP, that was it. 

That's what I would have wanted. That is what I currently want. Why can't Democrats devote their future to gumming up the works and making the big step backwards less and less easy? The moral high ground means nothing these days.

51 minutes ago, anony.miss said:

AOC: “All these journalists are like ‘Congresswoman, are you going to the inauguration? Congresswoman, are you going to the inauguration? Are you going to the inauguration?’ Let me make myself clear: I don’t celebrate rapists. So no, I’m not going to the inauguration."

Great on her. She'll probably be kept out of the next SOTU . . . and if she goes, she'll be hustled out as soon as she breathes wrong. This will be in contrast to MGT in full MAGA regalia taunting Biden last year.

I haven't seen televised highlights from today, but the stuff I read pisses me off.

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So I spent the day watching NBA, then the college football game (total blowout unfortunately). But then I went down a rabbit hole of Rosalynn Carter interviews. What a wonderful, inspirational lady. Fought hard for the things she believed in, always advocated for compassion and tolerance, and did it all with that Southern belle gentility. I could just imagine her saying "Oh, bless their hearts" about the Trumps.

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My cousin just posted on FB that Carrie Underwood had technical glitches and ended up having to sing without musical accompaniment.  Also she did not have a stage and was pissed off that she felt she didn't get the same treatment that Lady Gaga and others received in previous inaugurations.  I've been trying not to do a deep dive into the coverage (the headlines are bad enough) but if this is true she really blew it.  She has alienated some of her fans and for what?  A crappy day that has come and gone. 

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5 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I just asked a question for the public on Facebook, but I know that I’ll get responses here.

When was the last time that the United States were truly united, even if it was for a brief period?

Here are my rules:

  • No tragedies (9/11, Oklahoma City, Challenger)
  • No deaths (bin Laden, Hussein)
  • No sporting events (Miracle on Ice, USWNT winning World Cups)

I was a teenager at the time, but my perception was that the US was united after Richard Nixon resigned. It was as if the entire nation exhaled. Now, in retrospect, I'm angry that President Ford pardoned Nixon. We should have had the precedent of a conviction for a president who abused the powers of the office, but although there were some people who were angry at Ford's decision, it seemed to me that most Americans just wanted the nation to heal, as President Ford had said upon issuing the pardon.

The Ford/Carter presidential race in 1976 was close, but it didn't have the kind of perpetual negativity that political races have had in the 21st Century, which have been supercharged since the advent of social media. Someone brought up the Bicentennial in 1976, which was during that Presidential race; that same time period. The nation was still definitely united at that time, too. I think it was a continuation of unity post-Watergate. That unity was still there in 1979 when US diplomats and citizens were taken hostage in Iran. 

 

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When I asked the question, I was thinking of the moon landing. Nixon's resignation probably counts, even though it happened in a time where actions had consequences. I don't know if Live Aid would rank at the top. USA For Africa? Not really a moment, but didn't we us Americans all know the words to "We Are The World" at some point?

I kinda wish Biden's pardons had to be public. I imagine him yesterday in front of the press corps, rolling his eyes as he sprinkles Dr. Fauci with water straight from the bottle. It's twisted that people had to get pardons for doing their jobs . . . and even then, they'll probably be hounded on a regular basis.

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2 hours ago, Milk-Eyed Mender said:

All Jan 6 rioters, including Proud Boy Leader Enrique Tarrio convicted of seditious conspiracy and serving 22 years, are once again free to walk among us. Enjoy those eggs, folks! 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/20/politics/january-6-2021-capitol-riot-pardons-trump/index.html

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I know Trump has no morals, but how can anyone else be okay with this? No matter which 'side' you're on? PEOPLE DIED.

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15 minutes ago, Anela said:

I avoided most of it, but I’ve been reading some things.  The government site for women’s reproductive rights is missing.  The app that was used by immigrants, to apply for legal status? Is now gone. I started crying when I read about him declaring the emergency at the border.  

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And we were supposed to "give him a chance" again...why? 

Once again. Fuck the GOP. 

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1 hour ago, Annber03 said:

Yeah, but hey, at least we didn't elect someone whose laugh was a little unusual. Whew. Sure dodged a bullet there. 

That woman continued her long record of service to others upon her return to her home state.

Via Kyle Griffin (Producer) on Bluesky:

https://bsky.app/profile/kylegriffin1.bsky.social/post/3lg6xtqoam22o

New on MSNBC: Vice President Harris will fly back to Los Angeles today with an all-female U.S. Air Force crew — the first time an all-female crew has operated a C-33.


 
Upon landing, Harris will visit a local fire station and then distribute food to community members impacted by the wildfires.

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7 minutes ago, Lantern7 said:

Watching The Daily Show. I’m not laughing.

He didn’t put a hand on the Bible. Next thing, he’s gonna say he never read a single page from it.

LOL -- He doesn't have to say it for you to know it. I remember he did some stupid photo op during his first term, and that man doesn't even know how to hold a Bible respectfully, he's definitely never read it! Not to mention, he's been directly asked about his favorite parts of the Bible and, of course, he couldn't give a proper answer.

 

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As to the U.S. being united question: Miracle on the Hudson? Various Olympic victories for the nation?

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