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Annber03
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For as long as I live, I will never understand the hold this guy has over people. 

Annber03
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And yet the same people who are awed by his celebrity are also the ones talkng about how celebritees need to stay out of politics. You'll pardon me if I can't take their critiques all that seriously. 

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Everything I want to say would be a string of curse words at this point.  Hope you're happy, people who decided to be all precious with your votes or who felt this guy deserved another chance aft

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Dimity

Dimity

14 minutes ago, nokat said:

This puzzled me, as studies have shown boys are always given priority over girls, as when they raise their hand they get picked more than girls. 

I'm sure there will always be individual teachers who favour girls over boys but in the grand scheme of things they are the proverbial drop in the bucket.  Lately though for a variety of reasons social media in particular is fixated on somehow proving that boys are the ones who are truly disadvantaged.  Despite all evidence to the contrary.

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nokat

nokat

4 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I'm sure there will always be individual teachers who favour girls over boys but in the grand scheme of things they are the proverbial drop in the bucket.  Lately though for a variety of reasons social media in particular is fixated on somehow proving that boys are the ones who are truly disadvantaged.  Despite all evidence to the contrary.

Equal rights equals "we're being oppressed." Yes, I've heard enough of that in my life.

Very intelligent, capable women passed over because, no dick.

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PRgal

PRgal

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1 hour ago, nokat said:

This puzzled me, as studies have shown boys are always given priority over girls, as when they raise their hand they get picked more than girls. 

That's a different situation.  Yes, boys are often prioritized over girls, often because they have trouble sitting still.  But some teachers will single out these kids and "punish" them because they have the inability to sit still.  Boys mature later than girls in this extent.  And it's also often why until recently, girls weren't flagged for autism or other neurodivergent related conditions (I was one of those girls).  This teacher praised anyone who was more quiet/proper and "punished" those - even said out loud that they were "bad" - who didn't.  Or something to that extent.  My son never said anything about what happened during the day ("the first rule of school is you DO NOT talk about school"/What happens in school, stays in school).  This came from other parents of boys.  

I'm sorry, but as a Boy Mom, I have to defend the boys and the situation that they're often in.  It's a different type of oppression.  One that A LOT of people fail to recognize IS oppression.

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

49 minutes ago, Dimity said:

Apparently Elon Musk as been outed on X as having another account under the name Adrian Dittman.  Adrian really loves Elon.

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I really need to do some digging to see how many of Elon's grown sons have anything to do with him. I know he "disowned" his trans daughter. My spidey senses make me think the other sons took their sister's side, and that is why Elon keeps on having more kids. Because once his kids mature past Elon, they want nothing to do with him. 

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nokat

nokat

15 minutes ago, PRgal said:

That's a different situation.  Yes, boys are often prioritized over girls, often because they have trouble sitting still.  But some teachers will single out these kids and "punish" them because they have the inability to sit still.  Boys mature later than girls in this extent.  And it's also often why until recently, girls weren't flagged for autism or other neurodivergent related conditions (I was one of those girls).  This teacher praised anyone who was more quiet/proper and "punished" those - even said out loud that they were "bad" - who didn't.  Or something to that extent.  My son never said anything about what happened during the day ("the first rule of school is you DO NOT talk about school"/What happens in school, stays in school).  This came from other parents of boys.  

I'm sorry, but as a Boy Mom, I have to defend the boys and the situation that they're often in.  It's a different type of oppression.  One that A LOT of people fail to recognize IS oppression.

I really hope the best for your son. As we're posting here, I hope funds are increased for the neurodivergent. 

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peacheslatour

peacheslatour

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21 minutes ago, PRgal said:

That's a different situation.  Yes, boys are often prioritized over girls, often because they have trouble sitting still.  But some teachers will single out these kids and "punish" them because they have the inability to sit still.  Boys mature later than girls in this extent.  And it's also often why until recently, girls weren't flagged for autism or other neurodivergent related conditions (I was one of those girls).  This teacher praised anyone who was more quiet/proper and "punished" those - even said out loud that they were "bad" - who didn't.  Or something to that extent.  My son never said anything about what happened during the day ("the first rule of school is you DO NOT talk about school"/What happens in school, stays in school).  This came from other parents of boys.  

I'm sorry, but as a Boy Mom, I have to defend the boys and the situation that they're often in.  It's a different type of oppression.  One that A LOT of people fail to recognize IS oppression.

I appreciate you vigorously advocating for boys. As a boy mom myself, I get it. My son was diagnosed with some kind of hyperactivity flavor of the week by a teacher, we took him and had him privately tested. The testing facility said he was extremely bright and probably bored out his mind.

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nokat

nokat

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3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I appreciate you vigorously advocating for boys. As a boy mom myself, I get it. My son was diagnosed with some kind of hyperactivity flavor of the week by a teacher, we took him and had him privately tested. The testing facility said he was extremely bright and probably bored out his mind.

I so identify with this. I was so bored, and tasked with helping other students. Thanks to libraries, I didn't go mad. Not yet. 

To stay on topic, thank goodness for libraries.

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Dimity

Dimity

I don't see it as advocating for boys - or for girls.  As a parent you advocate for your children.   I am a boy parent and a girl parent.  Each had their own issues, strengths and weaknesses.  And each was treated in different ways at different times throughout their academic careers.

What I am seeing now isn't a course correction or an attempt at fairness.  What I am seeing is a very determined effort by those in power to diminish the accomplishments of girls and women and to remind us all that boys should always come first.

It's blatant.

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Eri

Eri

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Imagine willing yourself to live a few extra months just so you can see the first woman president win, but then Trump wins and you pass away thinking that democracy is going to die and your descendants will live in a hellscape. He didn't want to see the chaos coming. That is Jimmy Carter's life -  I'm so sorry the country failed you. RIP Jimmy!

We'll never see another presidential candidate like him again 🫡

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Bastet

Bastet

2 minutes ago, Eri said:

Imagine willing yourself to live a few extra months just so you can see the first woman president win, but then Trump wins and you pass away thinking that democracy is going to die and your descendants will live in a hellscape. He didn't want to see the chaos coming. That is Jimmy Carter's life.

I think that's what is making me sadder about this death than I have any right to be about a person I've never met dying at 100 years old after a wonderful life of love and service -- that one of his thoughts as his time came to an end had to be worry for the future of the world and its people that he cared so much about.

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Blergh

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I want to start out this post by stating that I want all of us in the Forum to stay civil and agree to disagree as long as possible and I hope that no one will loathe me for what I am about to post but I have this strong belief that I must post the following that has eaten at me for quite sometime.

Let me preface this by stating that I am in FULL agreement that #45 and his MAGA followers are the primary ones who made what happened happen in the same was as the invading Ottoman Turks overruning the Byzantine Empire's capital city of Constantinople are the primary ones responsible for fall of the Byzantine Empire in 1453. However, just as whoever the individual was who left a single side gate open in the Constantinople city walls contributed to its fall so I believe it's necessary to mention  what I believe are the Democratic Party's contributing factors in the mess we're currently in.

I'm old enough to remember President Richard Nixon's Resignation in 1974. In spite of his appointed (but not Electorally or Popularly elected) Vice President Ford's sweeping pardon of Nixon immediately after becoming the new US  President , I and so many of my family and peer groups believed that it would be impossible for the Republican Party to regain any power in the foreseeable future due to the Watergate Scandal having tainted the upper ranks so badly.  If someone had suggested that President Nixon's wife Pat had run for ANY political office after this, I wouldn't have been surprised or upset had the Democratic Party laughed that suggestion out of the room.  Now, some Republicans might have tried to counter via their beliefs that Nixon HAD done some good via visiting the People's Republic of China in 1972 and having the US troops getting pulled out of Vietnam but I'm quite sure others would have easily said that those credits wouldn't have been enough to have countered the massive debits and it would have been in everyone's better interests to do their best to put Watergate behind by not bestowing ANY member of the Nixon family any political power.

Still, even though nothing WAS done to restore any political power to any member of the Nixon family, I have to admit that I didn't think it would be so easy for the Republican Party to resume Presidential power after President Ford's defeat by Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter in 1976. Yet, along came Governor Ronald Reagan (and his wife Nancy) who did their best to play down any and all ties to the Nixons in their campaigns and I firmly believe that THAT was a contributing if not deciding factor in how Governor Ronald Reagan was voted in as the US President after President Carter in 1980- just six years after Nixon's Resignation.

Alas, President William Jefferson Clinton had quite a few adultery accusations in his Presidency from the start. OK, IF he had just put that behind and not attempted to keep fooling around after getting caught and just concentrated  on doing his duties, I would have been OK with that. But he kept digging himself (and ultimately the entire Democratic Party) deeper and deeper. Then after all the denials and all the 'define what 'is' is'etc. , he FINALLY admitted that he HAD had dubious ties with a Miss Lewinsky in 1998. I felt very humiliated and that my trust had been misused after having defended him on countless occasions and I would have LOVED it had Vice-President Gore and other Democratic Party high officials had ACKNOWLEDGED how President Clinton had duped and misused our trust just to keep from being criticized for his tawdry deals. I firmly believe that had Vice President Gore done that (and spelled out that he'd serve as Vice-President until January 20,2001 because that's what the US American voters had decided )but that his friendship with President Clinton was OVER, I firmly believe that Vice President Gore not only would have won the majority of Florida Electoral votes but also his home state of Tennessee Electoral votes (and therefore would unquestionably WON the 2000 Presidential Election against Governor George W. Bush). Yes, I DID vote for Vice-President Gore in spite of his refusal to acknowledge much less call out how President Clinton had humiliated their supporters and the entire US nation (instead of calling President Clinton 'the greatest President of the 20th Century' AFTER all this happened) but ONLY because I believed that he was the better choice over Governor Bush. However, I could understand why so many OTHER onetime Democrats felt unable to resist the temptation to dump Vice-President Gore after he refused to call out President Clinton.

OK, after ALL this happened and the Yellow Dog Rural Democrats became an endangered species with rural Electoral Districts going red like  a measles-plague,  IMO, the SMART thing for the Democratic Party to have done would have been to have hit the ground running and sought out the voters in these rural districts and not flinched if they told them that they were DONE with the Clintons- regardless of how some folks in the Democratic party believed everyone should be eternally grateful to them despite their humiliating us.

Alas, the Democratic Party TOTALLY ignored the lesson of how the Reagans gained the US Presidency a mere six years after Nixon's Resignation. Yep, before President Clinton had even finished his Presidency, when Mrs. Clinton decided that SHE wanted to become a Senator of the Great State of New York instead of telling her tell that to  the Marines, the Democratic Party big wigs put their energies behind her campaign despite her having only moved there months earlier from Washington,D.C. and Arkansas.  While my US Southern rural state got ignored and its Democratic representatives had little if any support by the national Democratic Party (which seemed to throw up its hands and write it off as doomed to be Republican from then on), I witnessed countless fundraising mailings  for the two Senatorial campaigns of Mrs. Clinton  for New York State.

OK, everyone ready to boo and hiss at me for not believing that Mrs. Clinton was every bit as perfect and wonderful as the mailings claimed, fine.

However, let's not overlook that from 2001 to 2009 guess what then-New York State resident became a registered Democrat for the only time in his adult life? That's right the one whose name I loathe having to read or type that begins with T and ends with P that I term #45!  And guess who #45 invited to his wedding to Melania (whose invitation got accepted)? Yep, Former President and the-then Senator Clinton! I am aware that Mrs. Clinton has since claimed that she only accepted the invite because she and the Former President wanted to hob-nob with the hoity toities (in contrast to her claiming how she otherwise identified with the proletariat) . One may interpret said claim how one wants. However, it also is public record that #45 made some donations to the then-Senator Clinton during her time in the Senate before making a $100,000 [one hundred thousand Dollar] donation to the Clinton Foundation in 2009. I'm going to avoid speculating on cause and effect here (and whether there might have been any link to why serious accusations towards #45 during those years went unaddressed by the authorities).  However, I'll put it this way: if it turns out that those who truly believe that the future #45 paid out these monies and extended that wedding invite to the Clintons with ONLY the expectation of Mrs. Clinton uttering the words 'thank you' and nothing more in return,it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them  might have also made hot cocoa for Santa and waited up for Santa to consume it.

I'll also forgo going into detail about how both Former President Clinton and #45 seemed to have visited the late Mr. Epstein's island. If that's the case, I'm not so sure that the Clintons and #45's didn't rub shoulders besides at #45's 3rd wedding.

OK, now we get to the nitty gritty! 2016!  While so many think the former Secretary of State was needlessly dissed for not having the emails on the proper secured server, I find it hard to believe that someone with decades of governmental experience wouldn't have known that it was vital to SECURE emails from public servers and wouldn't have considered asking for help from government computer geeks employed for the purpose. However, I also think one issue that REALLY needs to be mentioned, despite decades of political experience and marriage, Mrs. Clinton chose the still-legal spouse of former Representative  Anthony Weiner as her campaign manager instead of telling Ms. Abedin that she'd need to FINALIZE the divorce before she could consider hiring her then choosing the 2nd most qualified candidate for the campaign manager's position. Oh, and BTW, several of Mrs. Clinton's emails were found on Representative Weiner's server so either he hacked them [which I never heard her claim] OR she sent them to him despite him having been convicted of crimes.  Then, as per wiki leaks, someone in her campaign suggested that the best strategy to get rid of the most extreme Republican candidates was to elevate them as the Pied Piper in media so Mrs. Clinton could then take them down  Yep, thanks to someone in the campaign suggesting this and Mrs. Clinton and the other Democratic big wigs refusing to denounce this as a potential strategy, #45 appears to have been had more of a spotlight shone on him with the Democratic party's blessing! Did no one read the OUTCOME of the what happened with the Pied Piper of Hamelin? Instead of going away because he didn't get paid, he instead lured the city's children  to an unknown fate!  Yep, IOW they seemed to have believed that somehow someone like #45 would have been shamed with the spotlight being shone on him  instead of REVELLING in the spotlight and using it to his advantage! ARRGGH!!

OK, I'll skip over how Mrs. Clinton seemed to have been steamrollered over other viable candidates who may have been willing to think outside the box (including Senator Sanders who, in spite of actually saying he didn't believe her not to be the 'lesser of two evils' at the Democratic convention, still got dissed by Mrs. Clinton for,it seems,  not kowtowing to her fast enough).

Yes, readers I literally held my nose and voted for Mrs. Clinton because I DO believe she's the lesser of two evils and she was willing to at least pay lip service to being fair to others regardless of ethnicities,etc.

So WHY am I mentioning ALL the above? I HAPPILY voted for Vice-President Harris and REALLY wanted her to the next US President but believe she got cheated via (among other things) the Democratic party having wasted WAY too much time and energies having elevated the Clintons instead of telling them 'Thanks for the good stuff you did but you two are ALBATROSSES to us so stay away from political offices from now on and BYE!' after January 20,2001.

BTW, I wholeheartedly agree that #45 is blatantly worse and deserves condemnation,etc. for his actions. However, just because Former President and Former Secretary of State Clinton's respective actions 'haven't been as bad/are not so bad' as #45's that doesn't mean that said actions were good!

Of course, #45 MAGA and their supporters in the Republican party and their allies deserve the BULK of the condemnation. However, if we are to move forward, we need to know what we (the Democratic Party) did wrong so we can learn from it and AVOID EVER doing it again- just like that the city of Constantinople would have needed to have avoided leaving the small side gate open in the walls for the marauding Ottoman Army to have overrun the city and Empire!

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Spartan Girl

Spartan Girl

I too hate that Jimmy Carter stayed alive so long to see Trump lose only to have the country spit in his face, yet again. I hope he at least died knowing some of us are still fighting.

Biden will give him the funeral he deserves. I just hope Trump won’t be invited, or not after all the shit that he and his hellspawn said about him.

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Blergh

Blergh

I'm sorry to hear that President Carter is no more! However, I'm thankful that he'll be spared being vulnerable to #45- and, among many other things I'm thankful for is that he used some of his very last energies as centenarian to have voted for Vice-President Harris in spite of having barely gotten through Mrs. Carter's funeral!

RIP, President Carter and I pray you enjoy the reunion with Mrs. Carter!

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

2 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

I too hate that Jimmy Carter stayed alive so long to see Trump lose only to have the country spit in his face, yet again. I hope he at least died knowing some of us are still fighting.

Biden will give him the funeral he deserves. I just hope Trump won’t be invited, or not after all the shit that he and his hellspawn said about him.

When Rosalind died the former first ladies were surprised Melania showed up at the funeral. I doubt Trump will be invited.

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kittykat

kittykat

Jimmy Carter had a controversial short presidency dealt circumstances that were not entirely his fault, not unlike Joe Biden.  He dealt with inflation, unemployment, women's rights and volatile conflict in the middle East and despite his best efforts to combat all of these it mostly ended in failure. Reagan and the Republicans reaping all the benefits, the ERA defeated and women's rights thrown under the bus and the beginning of the end of the prosperous middle class.

And yet he still loves his life devoted to public service and becoming one of the best ex presidents to live.  RIP Jimmy, hopefully he and Rosalyn are together again.

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

7 minutes ago, kittykat said:

Jimmy Carter had a controversial short presidency dealt circumstances that were not entirely his fault, not unlike Joe Biden.  He dealt with inflation, unemployment, women's rights and volatile conflict in the middle East and despite his best efforts to combat all of these it mostly ended in failure. Reagan and the Republicans reaping all the benefits, the ERA defeated and women's rights thrown under the bus and the beginning of the end of the prosperous middle class.

And yet he still loves his life devoted to public service and becoming one of the best ex presidents to live.  RIP Jimmy, hopefully he and Rosalyn are together again.

Yep we found out years later Reagan was making deals to get the hostages released from Iran after he became president. 

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General Days

General Days

19 minutes ago, Dimity said:

He was very specifically not invited to McCain's funeral.  I really hope the Carter family follow this proud tradition.

I suspect the Carter family will be too sweet to do that. I don't know. I feel relatively confident they won't ask him to speak, though. They wouldn't want to risk the roof of the church collapsing.

 

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Notabug

Notabug

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35 minutes ago, General Days said:

I suspect the Carter family will be too sweet to do that. I don't know. I feel relatively confident they won't ask him to speak, though. They wouldn't want to risk the roof of the church collapsing.

 

The Carter family has too much respect for this country to ignore the tradition that all sitting and former presidents attend the funeral of their colleagues.  I only hope Trump has the class and decency to issue a statement of condolences and regret that he will be unable to attend due to another pressing engagement.  He doesn't, of course.  Maybe he's got a tee time at Mar a Lago that day.  He also might get into a snit because he won't be allowed to stand at the pulpit and give one of his patented incoherent speeches and decide not to go; which works for me.

Trump, even if he were the sitting president, would never have been asked to speak.  I expect Clinton and Obama, the party's master orators, will be doing that.

Jimmy Carter was my candidate in the first presidential election I ever voted in.

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Calvada

Calvada

30 minutes ago, General Days said:

I suspect the Carter family will be too sweet to do that. I don't know. I feel relatively confident they won't ask him to speak, though. They wouldn't want to risk the roof of the church collapsing.

 

I too am sure Trump will be invited.  The Carter family would never be so ungracious.  It will be amusing in a way since Trump will have to sit in a church, not talk, listen to multiple people laud a man for his decades of faith and selfless service, and worst of all not tweet for perhaps longer than an hour.  

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peacheslatour

peacheslatour

14 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

Traditionally, all former Presidents are invited to a former president’s funeral. So, yes, HE will get an invite. Hopefully, he won’t go. Either way, he will make it about him.

Of course he will, and he will be sure to make his usual grand entrance, probably late and after everyone else is seated, and right up front hand off his coat to a lackey as he has done before.

Shamelessly stolen.

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Lantern7

Lantern7

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I remember watching Colbert the night after the election, and he said something along the lines of “I hope someone lies to him and tells him Kamala won. Then I’d want him to tell me, and I’d be happy because he never lies.”

Anyone brave enough to watch right-wing TV now? I wouldn’t be surprised if they were dancing like they were in the opening credits of The Cosby Show. Actually, I’m thinking it’ll be more, “Yeah, sure, great man, but just one term.”

FTR, I’d want 45/47 far the fuck away from the funeral. He can have an orgy for all I care, just as long as it isn’t near President Carter.

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Calvada

Calvada

At George H.W. Bush's funeral, Trump didn't hand off his coat to a lackey, he tossed it at a uniformed service member.  Rude and entitled as always.  

24 minutes ago, kittykat said:

Now I'm imagining presidential fanfic where George Dubs throws a tantrum because Bill, Joe and Barack make him sit next to Trump at the funeral. "I don't wannnnna!" "George, this started with you now sit in the fucking pew."

As amusing as this would be, they sit in order of service.  So it will be President Biden & Jill, then Trump, Obama, Bush, and Clinton and their spouses..  I assume former VPs (Quayle, Gore, Cheney, and Pence - am I missing someone?) may attend, and often children of deceased presidents attend.  I really hope Dick Cheney is there.  I want to see his death glare at Trump.

Trump did issue a statement.  It was not about him, so I assumed a staffer wrote it for him.  Let's face it, all of them probably had something ready to go.  

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peacheslatour

peacheslatour

2 minutes ago, Calvada said:

At George H.W. Bush's funeral, Trump didn't hand off his coat to a lackey, he tossed it at a uniformed service member.  Rude and entitled as always.  

As amusing as this would be, they sit in order of service.  So it will be President Biden & Jill, then Trump, Obama, Bush, and Clinton and their spouses..  I assume former VPs (Quayle, Gore, Cheney, and Pence - am I missing someone?) may attend, and often children of deceased presidents attend.  I really hope Dick Cheney is there.  I want to see his death glare at Trump.

Trump did issue a statement.  It was not about him, so I assumed a staffer wrote it for him.  Let's face it, all of them probably had something ready to go.  

Lackey/service member it's all the same to him.

I wonder if Pence will show. Mr. Trump only tried to have him killed.

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Dimity

Dimity

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Trump probably should attend but since the spotlight won't be on him I'd be willing to bet he won't   Especially since it is quite likely that Biden, Obama and Clinton will be invited to speak.  Trump may get an invite but there is no way he's going to be given the chance to  make the funeral another episode in the Donald Trump Crap Show.

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tearknee

tearknee

1 hour ago, Dimity said:

Now who does that sound like?

The Chennault Affair?

 

1 minute ago, Enigma X said:

I am paraphrasing but saw a post on Bluesky that I wholeheartedly agree with. It was something like "part of the reason Carter was considered an ineffective president was because he was too much of a humanitarian to be an effective president." Carter was a good person first and then a politician.

decent man, lousy politician.

RIP Jimmy Carter.

Rest easy, Sir. You and your immediate predecessor were decent men. Unlike *his* predecessor and *your* successor.

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Anela

Anela

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1 hour ago, Enigma X said:

I am paraphrasing but saw a post on Bluesky that I wholeheartedly agree with. It was something like "part of the reason Carter was considered an ineffective president was because he was too much of a humanitarian to be an effective president." Carter was a good person first and then a politician.

He was my mum’s favourite President.  She said that he was a genuinely good man, and that people crapped all over him. 
 

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Enigma X

Enigma X

Just now, Anela said:

He was my mum’s favourite President.  She said that he was a genuinely good man, and that people crapped all over him. 
 

I can't say I witnessed his presidency firsthand. I was a toddler during it. What I will say is what I saw of him when I became aware made me adore the person he was. And slowly, those who write history are giving him his due. 

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PRgal

PRgal

Going now means he wouldn't have to deal with Orange Guy as president again.  Orange Guy wouldn't be good for a 100 year old.  I feel for all those centenarians who WILL.  

And on another note...

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

I don't see it as advocating for boys - or for girls.  As a parent you advocate for your children.   I am a boy parent and a girl parent.  Each had their own issues, strengths and weaknesses.  And each was treated in different ways at different times throughout their academic careers.

What I am seeing now isn't a course correction or an attempt at fairness.  What I am seeing is a very determined effort by those in power to diminish the accomplishments of girls and women and to remind us all that boys should always come first.

It's blatant.

I'm not really seeing this.  What I'm seeing is toxic masculinity oppressing boys and it being dismissed by some advocacy groups (mostly feminist and DEI (who, IMHO, are NOT all that inclusive because of gaslighting.  And YES, I've been one of those gaslighting victims) groups).  Try listening to some boy parenting podcasts like On Boys.  Ruth Whippman, the author of Boy Mom, has an excellent post on male privilege.  There, she wrote:

But for men and boys, privilege and disadvantage have always co-existed in a complex relationship. Male privilege comes with built-in harms. In a patriarchal system boys and men may gain in terms of power, but they lose out significantly when it comes to intimacy, emotionality and connection. Gender privilege functions in a different way to say, racial privilege or economic privilege. Because when it comes to gender, the disadvantages of being in the privileged group are not incidental, but foundational to the whole system. Rigid masculinity norms are keeping men sick, emotionally stunted, lonely and disconnected. As I wrote in Boymom- “Under patriarchy, men and boys get everything, except the thing that is most worth having. Human connection.”

 

 

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peacheslatour

peacheslatour

1 minute ago, PRgal said:

Going now means he wouldn't have to deal with Orange Guy as president again.  Orange Guy wouldn't be good for a 100 year old.  I feel for all those centenarians who WILL.  

And on another note...

I'm not really seeing this.  What I'm seeing is toxic masculinity oppressing boys and it being dismissed by some advocacy groups (mostly feminist and DEI (who, IMHO, are NOT all that inclusive because of gaslighting.  And YES, I've been one of those gaslighting victims) groups).  Try listening to some boy parenting podcasts like On Boys.  Ruth Whippman, the author of Boy Mom, has an excellent post on male privilege.  There, she wrote:

But for men and boys, privilege and disadvantage have always co-existed in a complex relationship. Male privilege comes with built-in harms. In a patriarchal system boys and men may gain in terms of power, but they lose out significantly when it comes to intimacy, emotionality and connection. Gender privilege functions in a different way to say, racial privilege or economic privilege. Because when it comes to gender, the disadvantages of being in the privileged group are not incidental, but foundational to the whole system. Rigid masculinity norms are keeping men sick, emotionally stunted, lonely and disconnected. As I wrote in Boymom- “Under patriarchy, men and boys get everything, except the thing that is most worth having. Human connection.”

 

 

It's a class conflict. And the patriarchy mints money on it.

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3 minutes ago, Enigma X said:

I can't say I witnessed his presidency firsthand. I was a toddler during it. What I will say is what I saw of him when I became aware made me adore the person he was. And slowly, those who write history are giving him his due. 

As someone upthread noted Carter's presidency had some similiarities to Biden's.  Many positive things happened but they were totally overwhelmed by things that were, for the most part, out of his control. 

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