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Poison dart frogs get their toxicity from their diet; why are they feeding them the things that make them deadly if they're keeping them in a tank in a vet's office?

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15 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

DVRers: Probably too late to warn, but it’s starting late.

It started about a minute late for me. I changed my record settings to add 3 minutes at the end. Thanks for the heads up.

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"Okay, that's crazy. I have the exact same tattoo." 

That made me laugh XD. Everything with Oz and the kid this episode was really cute, and I liked him and Daphne working together in general. I hate spiders, but I do like that they brought tattoo guy's pet back to him at the end. 

Also liked the end scene with Morgan and her daughter, that was really sweet and cute. 

I love how this case that started off with a vet working with weird animals went in some unexpected directions. I'm with Morgan in that it's a sad ending all the way around for everyone, but the reunion between the dad and his son at the end was nice. 

I really liked this episode. 

 

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I gotta admit, this was a nice twisty episode that kept me guessing.

The stuff with Gavin and his karate belt kind of went over my head though - I thought they were suggesting that wasn't the same kid or something.

The only part that isn't clear is whether or not Monica knew who killed her. Because if she did she should have told the printer to print out "Bethany" instead of just "murder." That's, like, murder victim 101. 

I liked the tattoo guy getting his pet tarantula back. And I liked the side story with Morgan and her daughter too. I did suspect maybe she got the birth control pills for acne, but her face is like porcelain. 

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4 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

The stuff with Gavin and his karate belt kind of went over my head though - I thought they were suggesting that wasn't the same kid or something.

The yellow belt just meant that Monica was stalking them and took that picture of the kid hugging his mom way before she “met” the mom at the yoga class two year ago, because it would take the kid more than two years to progress to a purple belt.

Love the characters on this show.  Even the secondary characters in this episode were terrific. The personal trainer guy (his attidude during his interrogation? Awesome), Gavin the kid (impressive acting too), the tattoo dude with the most fascinating skull ever, Karadec’s date getting involved in Morgan’s explanation…  And the case finally made sense!  Well done, show.  Keep it up.

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I lol when Karadec’s date, was so involved with Morgan's  explanation,  that even she explained..

I wish young Gavin knew his grandmother had  helped him out at the vending machine.

Loved the ending  with Morgan  and her daughter. 

I kept thinking,  absolutely  no need to show Fernanda  the spider, but they did. Ugh! I hate them.

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1 hour ago, shura said:

Love the characters on this show.  Even the secondary characters in this episode were terrific. The personal trainer guy (his attidude during his interrogation? Awesome), Gavin the kid (impressive acting too), the tattoo dude with the most fascinating skull ever, Karadec’s date getting involved in Morgan’s explanation…  And the case finally made sense!  Well done, show.  Keep it up.

I just love this show in general, and all of the casting and characters so far are top notch. Loved seeing a bit more of the two younger detectives this week, and that they had them be smart and get to the same place that Morgan and Karadec did.

Exotic animal trafficking is despicable. I really liked that the tattoo artist got his spider back. I feel the same way about my pets.

Loved, loved, loved Morgan coming clean with her daughter at the end and apologizing for breaking her trust. 

Morgan horning in on Karadec's date was hilarious. 

I really love Morgan's ex too. 

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I'd like for Karadec's date to become a regular girlfriend, and have a recurring appearance on the show.  I feel like they're setting up a Morgan/Karadec relationship, and I really don't want them to go there.  Any date that sits there during that craziness and then chimes in is someone worth keeping. 

Fun episode, fun twists.  Morgan was almost appropriately dressed for work in the first few scenes.

It's been 2 weeks now without any development on finding her ex. 

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Maybe cloning an existing show was the key but this is my new show of the season. And I didn't even hear about it before a banner ad showed up the morning of the premiere.

Even with their Sherlock in Morgan  around the entire team are profession and doing their jobs.  I was impressed when Detective Osman kept the interrogation to get the false confession and how everyone reacted when they realized that the ex husband was making a sacrifice play.

That no drama came from Morgan's reaction to save her partner from the poisoned soap  was good if maybe a bit too comedic. That the manny is being run as a letter of the law scam on the city maybe should be dropped.

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1 minute ago, Mindthinkr said:

Fun episode. I wonder if the tech who found the murdered body ever did find the reptile that escaped. 

My very first thought was oh no, another invasive species introduced to a new environment 

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13 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I hate spiders, but I do like that they brought tattoo guy's pet back to him at the end. 

I was half expecting the guy getting tattooed to freak out in the background while the owner looked lovingly at her, just for a little comedy. (I wouldn't freak out as long as she stayed in her carrier but I would definitely stay away.)

I think this is the first episode that ended without me thinking, "wait...how they did they get there"...maybe I was paying more attention than usual.... 

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20 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Also liked the end scene with Morgan and her daughter, that was really sweet and cute. 

As a mother of 3 adult daughters who failed miserably with teen talks in the 90s, was the B plot with Morgan's daughter at all typical these days? Or was it more of a well-written PSA for the current generation of failing parents? 
Probably both? 
I guess since it was copied from the French series (I presume; I haven't seen that episode yet) they might not have thought too much about it. More like painting a portrait from a photograph of someone you've never met.

 

18 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I lol when Karadec’s date, was so involved with Morgan's  explanation,  that even she explained..

9 hours ago, chaifan said:

I'd like for Karadec's date to become a regular girlfriend, and have a recurring appearance on the show. 

I thought they made it clear that Karadec and his date had nothing in common except that they both seemed okay with a meaningless hook-up. 
I do think Aubrey Brown-Eyed Bumble and Morgan could be friends.
Bumble is how my daughter met her husband about 6 years ago; it's the dating app in which women control whether or not there's a date.
I suppose with Aubrey and Morgan being similar personalities, and Aubrey and Karadec not really meshing except maybe physically, that sort of implies that Morgan and Karadec are not couple material either.
But, yeah:

9 hours ago, chaifan said:

Any date that sits there during that craziness and then chimes in is someone worth keeping. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Raja said:

That no drama came from Morgan's reaction to save her partner from the poisoned soap  was good if maybe a bit too comedic. That the manny is being run as a letter of the law scam on the city maybe should be dropped.

Sure. But comic relief is important for me. And Daniel Sunjata bounced back in a realistic manner from the snake tranquilizer. I'll be interested to see if that part was directly copied from the French series.

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If the vet had said "Bethany" instead of "murder" it's not clear that anyone would have leapt to the idea that Bethany was a murderer rather than just being someone she loved. I guess if she said "Bethany murdered me" that might have helped. 

It's really unusual that I think the kid parts of a show like this are the best part, but I really do like the kids and the parenting in this series.

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While having the frog poison in the soap dispenser allowed for the funny moment of Morgan shooting Karadec with the tranq gun, it bothered me because the other vet could have easily been poisoned, or anyone who uses that soap from now on.  I would think putting it in the vet's personal hand cream would be more targeted.

If I had a voice activated printer at work, this is what it would be printing out 90% of the time:

FUCK!

No! Don't print that!

Fuck! Stop printing fuck!

God damn it!  How do I get this thing to stop printing every time I say fuck???

 

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8 hours ago, chaifan said:

I feel like they're setting up a Morgan/Karadec relationship, and I really don't want them to go there.

I don’t feel that yet.  But Daphne and Oz?  Oh yeah, that’s happening.  Notice how they both went to return the tarantula to the tattoo guy?  That’s not really a two-person job… They are totally the Rigsby and Van Pelt of this show.  And they do have great chemistry, too.

4 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I think this is the first episode that ended without me thinking, "wait...how they did they get there"...maybe I was paying more attention than usual.... 

It was definitely written better, by a mile.  Things were happening for a reason, you could see what led to what and how.  For example, Morgan did not just divine the ear dimple thing out of thin air like before.  No, she had a reason (how could Monica’s father know about the flip flops during the robbery?) to go see the trainer guy, he annoyed her by wearing an ear pod, she snatched it out of his ear and that’s when she noticed the dimple (which, per Google, doesn’t appear to be as rare as she made it sound, btw).  Beautiful.

I also thought they were going to tie Monica’s teenage pregnancy with Ava’s situation somehow, maybe use it to scare Ava straight, so to speak.  I was cringing already.  But they wrote something so much better, especially with Ava’s “oh, no, I am having sex, but I didn’t take the pills because of that” fakeout.  Did this episode have different writers maybe?  Can we keep them?

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1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

😡 It doesn’t seem to be available on mine. I did a search with HPI and its name (spelled out in French) and didn’t get any results. 

The French version title is  “HIP - High Intellectual Potential”
but on Hulu it comes up with: 

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5 hours ago, ams1001 said:

I was half expecting the guy getting tattooed to freak out in the background while the owner looked lovingly at her, just for a little comedy. (I wouldn't freak out as long as she stayed in her carrier but I would definitely stay away.)

That would've been fun :D. Definitely would've been my reaction - even just seeing the spider on TV had me kinda flinching away for a moment. 

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

As a mother of 3 adult daughters who failed miserably with teen talks in the 90s, was the B plot with Morgan's daughter at all typical these days? Or was it more of a well-written PSA for the current generation of failing parents? 
Probably both? 

Not a mom and haven't been a teenager for, um, a couple decades :p, so I can't speak to what's typical for parent/teen interactions of today. I can agree with you that on a general level, it could've been a mix of both - I would hope that teenagers can have that kind of good rapport with their parents, but I also won't be surprised if it's more a ideal TV world sort of thing, too.

But for Morgan and her daughter specifically, at least I think their converation was true to their respective characters - they've been shown to have a good relationship thus far and Morgan owning up to what she did is in keeping with her behavior in general. It was a good bonding moment between them, and I like that they can talk to each other as they do. 

40 minutes ago, shura said:

I don’t feel that yet.  But Daphne and Oz?  Oh yeah, that’s happening.  Notice how they both went to return the tarantula to the tattoo guy?  That’s not really a two-person job… They are totally the Rigsby and Van Pelt of this show.  And they do have great chemistry, too.

Oh, hey, you noticed that, too, huh :D? I was wondering if anyone else caught that - there was also that moment when Daphne was kinda observing Oz when he was talking to the kid and she was enjoying their interaction. If they are indeed going to go that route with those two, I'm all for that as well. I'd be interested to see where that goes. 

I do see the setup for Morgan and Karadec, too, myself, which could get interesting and potentially messy for Morgan, depending on how the mystery about her missing husband shakes out and whatnot. They do have an entertaining back and forth, so  I won't be surprised if they go there, but if they stay professional and just have fun banter, that's fine, too. I'll roll with whatever happens either way. 

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3 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

That would've been fun :D. Definitely would've been my reaction - even just seeing the spider on TV had me kinda flinching away for a moment. 

Years ago I was in a pet shop with my then-boyfriend, and I was looking at some cages of hamsters or gerbils or something on an eye-level shelf. My BF came up behind me and said "don't look up." Of course I did. Tarantulas. *shudder* I'll stick with puppies and kittens.

7 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I'll roll with whatever happens either way. 

Same. I did enjoy her messing with his date with the wife and kids bit. Then sucking the date into her theory of the case.

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51 minutes ago, shura said:

 Notice how they both went to return the tarantula to the tattoo guy?  That’s not really a two-person job… They are totally the Rigsby and Van Pelt of this show.  And they do have great chemistry, too.

6 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

Oh, hey, you noticed that, too, huh :D? I was wondering if anyone else caught that - there was also that moment when Daphne was kinda observing Oz when he was talking to the kid and she was enjoying their interaction. If they are indeed going to go that route with those two, I'm all for that as well. I'd be interested to see where that goes. 

I do see the setup for Morgan and Karadec, too, myself, which could get interesting and potentially messy for Morgan, depending on how the mystery about her missing husband shakes out and whatnot. They do have an entertaining back and forth, so  I won't be surprised if they go there, but if they stay professional and just have fun banter, that's fine, too. I'll roll with whatever happens either way. 

Yes to all of the above. 
And I love @shura's:
“They are totally the Rigsby and Van Pelt of this show.”
👏🙌😆

 

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44 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Years ago I was in a pet shop with my then-boyfriend, and I was looking at some cages of hamsters or gerbils or something on an eye-level shelf. My BF came up behind me and said "don't look up." Of course I did. Tarantulas. *shudder* I'll stick with puppies and kittens.

LOL, oh, my god, yikes. You have my sympathy :p. 

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Same. I did enjoy her messing with his date with the wife and kids bit. Then sucking the date into her theory of the case.

That was a lot of fun, yeah :D. Whatever happens with Karadec and Morgan going forward, I'd be cool with seeing his date again for however long they'd want to keep her/she's able to appear. She's clearly shown she can roll with whatever wackiness Karadec finds himself in :p. 

I've heard of Rigsby and Van Pelt, but I"m blanking on what show they're from - I don't think it's one I've seen, I've just heard the names. Off to look. 

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16 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

I've heard of Rigsby and Van Pelt, but I"m blanking on what show they're from - I don't think it's one I've seen, I've just heard the names. Off to look. 

The only Van Pelts I know are Linus and Lucy. I just googled; it's from The Mentalist, a show I've watched here and there in syndication years ago (apparently it was on TNT) but not regularly. I couldn't even tell you the main character's name off the top of my head, let alone any others.

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3 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I do see the setup for Morgan and Karadec, too, myself, which could get interesting and potentially messy for Morgan, depending on how the mystery about her missing husband shakes out and whatnot. They do have an entertaining back and forth, so  I won't be surprised if they go there, but if they stay professional and just have fun banter, that's fine, too. I'll roll with whatever happens either way. 

I like them and think they have a good chemistry that could go that way, but I think if they do go there it will be several seasons in the future. I'm totally fine with it either way. 

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22 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Is Judy Reyes pregnant? Or injured? They had her behind a desk all episode and are still grossly under-using her.

She's been playing adult roles since the early 90s.

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18 hours ago, chaifan said:

While having the frog poison in the soap dispenser allowed for the funny moment of Morgan shooting Karadec with the tranq gun, it bothered me because the other vet could have easily been poisoned, or anyone who uses that soap from now on.  I would think putting it in the vet's personal hand cream would be more targeted.

If I had a voice activated printer at work, this is what it would be printing out 90% of the time:

FUCK!

No! Don't print that!

Fuck! Stop printing fuck!

God damn it!  How do I get this thing to stop printing every time I say fuck???

 

First of all, agreed, mine would just go through reams of paper that said "no bad printer fuck you why do I always kill printers" 

Second, I think the murderer either didn't realize someone else would use the soap, or didn't care. I lean towards her not knowing, since didn't they say she called the police when her friend didn't show up at the appropriate time, meaning she didn't expect anyone would find the body quickly.

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On 10/22/2024 at 10:15 PM, ams1001 said:

Poison dart frogs get their toxicity from their diet; why are they feeding them the things that make them deadly if they're keeping them in a tank in a vet's office?

I am not an expert in frogs/amphibians, but maybe they are feeding the frog its regular diet to keep it healthy, so it is still poisonous. 

On 10/23/2024 at 2:09 PM, shapeshifter said:

I thought they made it clear that Karadec and his date had nothing in common except that they both seemed okay with a meaningless hook-up. 
I do think Aubrey Brown-Eyed Bumble and Morgan could be friends.

I love this idea. Morgan having female friends as is a good thing. It gives her someone else to interact with. I like the idea that it would drive Karadec a little nuts that Morgan gets along with his date better than he did. 

Also, I could see this being a running gag a few times a season. Morgan interrupts Karadec's dates with breaking developments/theories on the case. While Karadec hates the intrusion, there's a part of him that's glad because the dates are varying degrees of awful.

20 hours ago, Annber03 said:

I've heard of Rigsby and Van Pelt, but I"m blanking on what show they're from - I don't think it's one I've seen, I've just heard the names. Off to look. 

They are from The Mentalist. If you are enjoying this show, I highly recommend it. 

Personally, on High Potential, I would rather have the romantic plot line go to Daphne and Oz. I just don't think Karadec and Morgan have that kind of relationship/chemistry. 

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3 hours ago, Sarah 103 said:

I am not an expert in frogs/amphibians, but maybe they are feeding the frog its regular diet to keep it healthy, so it is still poisonous. 

I don't think that makes a difference health-wise. I remember seeing them at an aquarium once and there was a little info sign that explained what made them poisonous and that their frogs were not fed that diet so that they were safe to have on display for the public. 

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I'm confused about a couple of things.

First, I wonder how the perp managed to get in the office and put the frog in the soap dispenser.

Second, how did Morgan find out the boy's biological father robbed a convenience store? 

These may have been addressed in the episode, but I've slept since then:)

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15 minutes ago, mythreesons said:

Second, how did Morgan find out the boy's biological father robbed a convenience store? 

Didn't the victim's dad tell them that?

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On 10/23/2024 at 1:09 PM, shapeshifter said:

But comic relief is important for me. And Daniel Sunjata bounced back in a realistic manner from the snake tranquilizer.

I really enjoyed those scenes too!  Unless the gun was labeled, that was a risky move by Morgan to shoot Karadec. Luckily it was a clinic for small animals, so the dosage would be small, but dang, it could've gone horribly wrong for him.

I've only seen Daniel in a couple of shows, and he didn't have many lines, so I'm really liking him in this role.  I like his no-nonsense approach.  "No hugs.  We don't hug!"  (Referring to the person they were interviewing.)

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1 minute ago, Chit Chat said:

I've only seen Daniel in a couple of shows, and he didn't have many lines, so I'm really liking him in this role.  I like his no-nonsense approach.  "No hugs.  We don't hug!"  (Referring to the person they were interviewing.)

I thought it was so funny, like of course that's what pulled him back to lucidity. And hey, he cut off a hug with a murderer, so good for him! 

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1 hour ago, mythreesons said:

Second, how did Morgan find out the boy's biological father robbed a convenience store? 

 

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

Didn't the victim's dad tell them that?

I want to say, the victim’s dad said her loser boyfriend-at-the-time robbed the convenience store (that was why he went to prison), and Morgan figured out he was the kid’s biological father because they shared that extremely rare ear dimple thing. 

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That B-story with the pills bugged me.  Was Morgan's daughter trying to be furtive?  If so, why did she take the pill in the most visible part of the house.  If I were trying to take secret pills, I'd go in some place private with a readily available source of potable liquid, such as, say, a bathroom.  But they had to have the girl hold the idiot ball just so that the B-story could kick off.  Reeks of awful writing to me.  But I don't expect much better from a police procedural.

On 10/23/2024 at 8:48 AM, chaifan said:

I'd like for Karadec's date to become a regular girlfriend, and have a recurring appearance on the show.  I feel like they're setting up a Morgan/Karadec relationship, and I really don't want them to go there.  Any date that sits there during that craziness and then chimes in is someone worth keeping. 

Fun episode, fun twists.  Morgan was almost appropriately dressed for work in the first few scenes.

It's been 2 weeks now without any development on finding her ex. 

It's only October.  Give it a week or two. They have to save stuff like that for sweeps.

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48 minutes ago, Nerfect Drifty said:

That B-story with the pills bugged me.  Was Morgan's daughter trying to be furtive?  If so, why did she take the pill in the most visible part of the house.  If I were trying to take secret pills, I'd go in some place private with a readily available source of potable liquid, such as, say, a bathroom.  But they had to have the girl hold the idiot ball just so that the B-story could kick off.  Reeks of awful writing to me.  But I don't expect much better from a police procedural

Having had 3 teen daughters, and having been one of 2 teen daughters very, very long ago, Ava thinking she could get away with furtively taking a birth control pill with orange juice in the kitchen seems like Standard Teen [Girl?*] Operating Procedure to me. On a totally subconscious level, the teen wants to not have to keep it secret, but is also consciously completely committed to keeping it secret.

And now that you mention it, @Nerfect Drifty, having hyper-observant Morgan for her Mom explains why this common, teen, not-so-sneaky behavior has resulted in Morgan and Ava being a lot closer than many parents and teens.  

And swallowing pills with juice is easier than with water — more so for some.

*I don’t know about teen boys — as to whether or not they are as subconsciously risky about keeping secrets from the ’rents.

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I don't have much to add here except I really liked this episode and split my sides a few times, especially when she was messing with Karadec and his date. Their on-screen chemistry is developing in a positive direction. I don't necessarily think the show is going for a relationship between them - maybe just a standard "will they/won't they?" trope common in male/female partnership shows.

As to Daphne and Oz I am seeing it but every time I see their two names together I think of Daphne Oz, the daughter of Doctor Oz - not a connection I want to make, but it's too obvious not to make and it makes me wonder if that was the intention here, LOL.

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

*I don’t know about teen boys — as to whether or not they are as subconsciously risky about keeping secrets from the ’rents.

It's interesting that you bring this up because my husband and I talked about this B plot. He told me no way would the daughter admit to anything about the pills even if her mother saw her taking one, and she would be very upset that her mother violated her privacy by going into her bedroom and finding them. I told him maybe that was the way a teenage boy might react to his mom but not a girl, and that mother/daughter dynamics were different. I liked that Morgan apologized for looking through her stuff and that made it easier for her daughter to open up about it. I think the dynamic between mother and daughter feels pretty realistic here and I'm appreciating that.

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2 hours ago, Nerfect Drifty said:

That B-story with the pills bugged me.  Was Morgan's daughter trying to be furtive?  If so, why did she take the pill in the most visible part of the house.  If I were trying to take secret pills, I'd go in some place private with a readily available source of potable liquid, such as, say, a bathroom.  But they had to have the girl hold the idiot ball just so that the B-story could kick off.  Reeks of awful writing to me.  But I don't expect much better from a police procedural.

Well, here's the thing - I chalk this up to Morgan's daughter not being an "idiot" per se but a typical teenager who sometimes doesn't use her head. It also underlines how she isn't like her mom always thinking about how things might look, especially to her mother who is hyper-focused on every little detail of someone's behavior. The daughter should know better, and probably usually does know better, but she doesn't think like her mother and she's not old enough yet to have learned the finer points of what she should and shouldn't try to get away with in front of her.

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4 hours ago, Yeah No said:

It's interesting that you bring this up because my husband and I talked about this B plot. He told me no way would the daughter admit to anything about the pills even if her mother saw her taking one, and she would be very upset that her mother violated her privacy by going into her bedroom and finding them. I told him maybe that was the way a teenage boy might react to his mom but not a girl, and that mother/daughter dynamics were different. I liked that Morgan apologized for looking through her stuff and that made it easier for her daughter to open up about it. I think the dynamic between mother and daughter feels pretty realistic here and I'm appreciating that.

Sounds like your Mom was a wonderful parent.

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2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Sounds like your Mom was a wonderful parent.

Thank you, she was. I think you would have liked her a lot. You brought a tear to my eye.

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I watched the episode from the original series a while ago and if I remember right, the ending was different:

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the son turned out to be the murderer, so the father confessing to protect him--rather than his cheating wife--makes more sense. This episode also drops the thread of how upset the bio father was about their child being given up for adoption. In the original, he's the one who meets the kid in the final scene at the police station.

The American episodes have maybe 5-10 minutes(?) shorter runtime than the originals, so I guess some stuff has to be cut out.

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