S01.E12: Opening Bars, Closing Chapters

[Jst2Wld]

Here's what I've gleaned from this shit show: these women wanted babies with semi good looking men.  They got the babies and now they aren't into sex or working through the issues in the relationships. They made bad choices in partners.

More kids with fucked up parents. It's trending. 

[bosawks]

Jesse bragging about his most expensive $20,000 4 person, 5 course meal while they’re just showing Parmesan wheel pasta and langoustines will never not be funny.

[Jst2Wld]

10 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Jesse bragging about his most expensive $20,000 4 person, 5 course meal while they’re just showing Parmesan wheel pasta and langoustines will never not be funny.

I'm still not knowing who any of these twatwaffles are except Jax, Brit and Kristen.

[bosawks]

Is it me or does Jax's "bar" just look like some sort of sad little side establishment attached to a bigger, successful restaurant?

Like a semi-attached garage with a small patio.

Edited June 5 by bosawks

[JenE4]

10 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Is it me or does Jax's "bar" just look like some sort of sad little side establishment attached to a bigger, successful restaurant?

Like a semi-attached garage with a small patio.

That’s because that’s exactly what it is.

[Jst2Wld]

37 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Is it me or does Jax's "bar" just look like some sort of sad little side establishment attached to a bigger, successful restaurant?

Like a semi-attached garage with a small patio.

It's still better than "there's something about her" sandwich shop. I'll stick with Subway. 

[FlyingEgret]

And don't forget Jax's Bar has seating - thanks to Brittany...

[bosawks]

Jax doesn’t talk about his issues and concerns?

Does he talk about anything else other than his issues and concerns….

[Emmeline]

1 hour ago, bosawks said:

Is it me or does Jax's "bar" just look like some sort of sad little side establishment attached to a bigger, successful restaurant?

Like a semi-attached garage with a small patio.

I believe that someone from VPR said that it is part of an already established restaurant.

My god I can’t stand Jax.  He is so full of himself.  

[dancingdreamer]

Brittany  literally  ate Jax  on camera,  the camera's  he wanted. His fake tears, and saying  this is the last thing he expected,  is bullcrap.  He drove his wife to this. If he was half as upset as he says, he should  of moved his @ss out the house, and let his wife and son live there. His son doesn't  need an Airbnb. Jax is  so transparent, he makes  me sick.

I really  didn't  care about the others, Michelle  and Jesse  are better off without  each other, you hate to see a marriage  end, but if the couples are unhappy all the time, the child, or children  suffer.

I'm  glad  Janet's  baby was healthy.  I don't  care if Kristen, Luke or Zach are on this show again.

[Marcya23]

That was a nice touch showing footage of the cast members at their wedding. At least it shows that, whatever you think about this group, they really did have established friendships going in. 

[choclatechip45]

Damn. Brittany was amazing the last ten minutes. I hope she continues to have a backbone when it coems to Jax!

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why so much macrame?

[sugarbaker design]

15 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why so much macrame?

It's the mainstay of Brittany's 'design aesthetic'.

[bosawks]

19 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why so much macrame?

I always think of this quote from the character Lu-Lu Fishpaw in Polyester when I see it, "I never wanted to use macramé to kill!".

[JenE4]

It was obvious Michelle hated Jesse the entire season. She left 3 days after filming ended, so she probably secretly had her exit plan all arranged during filming. At least Brittany seemed like she was genuinely trying with Jax. She probably was encouraged seeing Jesse upset over Michelle leaving and thought it would make Jax try harder for their marriage, but it didn’t work. 

I’m not sure how the next season will go if half of the couples are divorced. The part of the show that really worked was the marriages and raising kids. So much so that I assumed the childless singles would be cut because they were, to use (not) Jax’s word, superfluous. But maybe now that’s why they’re bringing Lala over so half the cast will be divorced moms trying to raise kids. Eh, I guess that could be interesting, but seeing people be real about their marriages was really the intriguing part of this show—especially seeing the men be vulnerable with each other. But I guess they can still focus on how the men and women each juggle the challenges of raising kids on their own—and with the two standing couples.

[hoodooznoodooz]

When I watched the first episode of this show, I liked Janet and Jason the most.

Now I think Janet is awful. It looks like Jason does not like her drama and her need for gossip, but is trying to be a supportive spouse. 
 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I just learned from Facebook that Jesse dated Anna Nicole Smith.

[sugarbaker design]

26 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

I guess that could be interesting, but seeing people be real about their marriages was really the intriguing part of this show

I disagree, the intriguing part of the show was the disintegration of these marriages.

[mytmo]

On 6/1/2024 at 7:04 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

But Jax will always eventually default back to his factory setting of “A- - -OLE.”

This is classic.  I am so stealing this.

[heatherchandler]

Janet SUUUCKS.

She is smug and awful.  She was never willing to hear Zack.  He was right, she is now getting caught in her lies.

[hoodooznoodooz]

37 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Janet SUUUCKS.

She is smug and awful.  She was never willing to hear Zack.  He was right, she is now getting caught in her lies.

100%!!!!!

Now I am understanding why you dislike Ariana.

I don’t like smug either. I don’t care who you are or how pregnant you are. We are all individuals who (usually) deserve kindness and respect. Zack was correct when he said it was obnoxious to talk to him on speakerphone, without telling him that Simon and Jared (?) were listening in. 

Edited June 5 by hoodooznoodooz

[DallasDiva243]

Wow... Jax and Jesse with those super fake manipulative crying confessions. Neither one of them could even choke out one fake tear. I'm so proud of Brittany for finally standing up for herself and I hope she continues. Don't really like Michelle but I am glad that she is also making sure Jesse doesn't try to control her anymore. I hope both parent's can put their BS aside and be good co-parents! 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Ha! They gave us a chyron for Simon: Simon AKA CROC OF SH** BOOTS

[Jaundiced Eye]

Should Janet be doing shots while breastfeeding? She is breastfeeding, right?

Jason seems nice enough (I guess), but I do have to wonder about anyone who would marry Janet. She seems awful on every level.

[Marigold66]

On 6/5/2024 at 4:30 PM, Jaundiced Eye said:

Should Janet be doing shots while breastfeeding? She is breastfeeding, right?

A lot of my friends with kids would do the "pump and dump" method if they wanted to have a couple drinks while still breastfeeding.

On 6/5/2024 at 9:03 AM, mytmo said:

On 6/1/2024 at 7:04 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

But Jax will always eventually default back to his factory setting of “A- - -OLE.”

This is classic.  I am so stealing this.

THIS!!!  Jax has always shown us who he is.  How many times have we heard him cry that there's something wrong with him and he needs therapy?  Post Stassi, hasn't this sob story gone as far back as Carmen?!  I distinctly remember him telling Stassi this too at one of his and Brittany's parties at the house (while looking totally coked up).  How does that saying go?  "A leopard never changes its spots"?  Definition of Jax Taylor right there.

 And I think deep down Brittany always knew this but she wanted to fight tooth and nail to prove the "haters" wrong.  Good for her to realize that her self-respect is worth more than staying in that marriage. 

Edited to remove my statement about how I hope they continue to be great parents to Cruz because other posters are right: the fact that Jax would make Brittany move out with Cruz is a shit move and reflective of his character.  That is NOT great parenting right there.

Edited June 7 by Marigold66

[MaggieG]

I've always had my issues with Brittany and I thought she was an idiot for taking him back after he cheated. But I applauded her in those last 10 minutes. She finally saw the light. Good for her for standing up for herself and seeing through Jax. I loved when she said "I bet money he won't go to the therapy appointment." Cut to Jax saying that he didn't go. Because it was too far. That man will never change. And what an asshole for refusing to leave the house. 

Hopefully everyone can come for Janet and her manipulation next season since she won't be able to hide behind the pregnancy. I felt so bad for Jasmine being put in the middle. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I watched the Peacock extended version. Not a lot of interesting additional footage. But Zack has been in a relationship for about a year with a guy named Benji. They look cute and happy!

Zack, Kristen and Brittany are talking on the backyard patio of Jax and Brittany’s house. Brittany suggests they go back inside, because it’s getting hot. Zack mutters “… KFC…”

[Chatty Cake]

I got the feeling that Jesse was really upset but he’s also a stubborn prick so it’s hard to feel bad for him. I wonder if he really thought the marriage could be saved or if they both knew it was just for the show? 
Zach wasn’t in the wrong but he yells so much he’s not getting his point across.
Being married to Jax must have sucked. If he was that big of a jerk on the show, I wonder what he was when cameras weren’t rolling. His crying was fake, I didn’t see a single tear. What a dick move making her move out with their son. I’m glad she called him out and is getting away from him and his verbal abuse.  

[snarts]

20 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

Zach wasn’t in the wrong but he yells so much he’s not getting his point across.

I don't like Zach. The way he goes from 0 to 60 and is nearly screaming is just too much for me. I find his voice both irritating and condescending.

I do have a soft spot for Jesse. Can he be an asshole? Yes, but he can also be funny & sarcastic and I like that. I felt bad for him re: the split. It has to be hard when your spouse falls out of love with you and wishes you would change your entire personality overnight. 

 

[Katie W]

8 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I watched the Peacock extended version. Not a lot of interesting additional footage. But Zack has been in a relationship for about a year with a guy named Benji. They look cute and happy!

Zack, Kristen and Brittany are talking on the backyard patio of Jax and Brittany’s house. Brittany suggests they go back inside, because it’s getting hot. Zack mutters “… KFC…”

I liked the discussion between Zach, Kristen and Brittany that was shown on the extended version much more than the discussion Brittany had with some of the ladies at Janet's. I don't get why this got cut from the regular show that aired.   Both Kristen and Zach gently touched on the unacceptable behavior they've seen from Jax towards Brittany.  Kristen also revealed she had a pregnancy loss and they both were supportive of her.  You can tell these three are super close and it just seemed more natural then the discussion at Janet's. 

Edited June 6 by Katie W

[Chatty Cake]

41 minutes ago, snarts said:

I don't like Zach. The way he goes from 0 to 60 and is nearly screaming is just too much for me. I find his voice both irritating and condescending.

I do have a soft spot for Jesse. Can he be an asshole? Yes, but he can also be funny & sarcastic and I like that. I felt bad for him re: the split. It has to be hard when your spouse falls out of love with you and wishes you would change your entire personality overnight. 

 

A man yelling at a pregnant woman is not a good look, even if the prego is a bit obnoxious. Still, I’d take Zach over Lala any day.  I thought it was crappy of Janet to turn on Jasmine after Jasmine put together the baby shower for her. 

[Marley]

Jax is the biggest piece of shit. He makes his child who likely is special needs move out of his house because he just won’t leave. Brittany finally standing up to him is good but I bet they will get back together unfortunately. He’s such a sick liar.

They should’ve done a reunion for this.

[AnnieBananie]

13 minutes ago, Marley said:

They should’ve done a reunion for this.

I'd give whole dollars for a reunion.

Oh, Jax's bar, as mediocre as he is.

[IntrovertRed]

8 hours ago, Katie W said:

I liked the discussion between Zach, Kristen and Brittany that was shown on the extended version much more than the discussion Brittany had with some of the ladies at Janet's. I don't get why this got cut from the regular show that aired.   Both Kristen and Zach gently touched on the unacceptable behavior they've seen from Jax towards Brittany.  Kristen also revealed she had a pregnancy loss and they both were supportive of her.  You can tell these three are super close and it just seemed more natural then the discussion at Janet's. 

Agree, mostly becuase I feel that they are real friends. Whereas Janet and Michelle don't.

I think Jesse and Jax are very very similar. Both are good at putting out narratives to try to make themselves look better. I think prior to filming the show, Jesse was a  huge dick to Michelle and by the time filming started, they were clearly done, however Jesse pretended to try to "make it work."  Something about the way he talked to Michelle in the scene at the house when she came to pickup stuff for Isabella. 

Jax clearly doesn't want to be married, and I really hope Brittany doesn't go back to him, she and Cruz deserve so much better.  He is the biggest fucking asshole to ever be on Bravo just for making Britt and his special needs child who likely needs stability to move out into a strange new home, simply because he wouldn't. What an entitled fucking dick. Yes, I know she knew who she was marrying, but I still have sympathy for her and sincerely hope she goes to therapy to acquire strength because all of the stuff he's been saying to her over the years has done real damage to her confidence and psyche.  

I don't know, I was here for Zach, he clearly had enough of the bullshit Janet was throwing. And when she was about to get called out on it, "don't talk to me, I'm pregnant."  Wonder if she'll purposely get pregnant for next season so she can try to escape any repercussions. 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 hours ago, IntrovertRed said:

Agree, mostly because I feel that they are real friends. Whereas Janet and Michelle don't.

I think Jesse and Jax are very, very similar. Both are good at putting out narratives to try to make themselves look better. I think prior to filming the show, Jesse was a huge dick to Michelle, and by the time filming started, they were clearly done, however, Jesse pretended to try to "make it work." Something about the way he talked to Michelle in the scene at the house when she came to pick up stuff for Isabella. 

Jax clearly doesn't want to be married, and I really hope Brittany doesn't go back to him, she and Cruz deserve so much better.  He is the biggest fucking asshole to ever be on Bravo, just for making Brit and his special needs child, who likely needs stability, move out into a strange new home, simply because he wouldn't. What an entitled fucking dick. Yes, I know she knew who she was marrying, but I still have sympathy for her and sincerely hope she goes to therapy to acquire strength because all of the stuff he's been saying to her over the years has done real damage to her confidence and psyche.  

I don't know, I was here for Zach, he clearly had enough of the bullshit Janet was throwing. And when she was about to get called out on it, "don't talk to me, I'm pregnant."  Wonder if she'll purposely get pregnant for next season so she can try to escape any repercussions. 

Agree, agree, agree.

Michelle, unless she is the robot a lot of people suspect she is, demonstrated a lot of restraint in that scene. He was so condescending. I loved that she simply said, “We need to divorce and move on with our lives.”

Interesting how Michelle dreads having to tell Isabella that SHE left HIM. Maybe that was his strategy all along. If he’s a jerk for long enough, she has no choice but to walk away, and look like the bad guy.

Jax is probably operating from the same playbook. Also, “Brittany’s mother has been married to four different guys. There’s no divorce on my side of the family.”

Isabella was so cute, spinning on the floor.

On WWHL, Jesse claimed that they are both dating other people and coparenting well. All five celebrated Isabella’s birthday together.

I hope Brittany removes her breast implants and stops using Botox. Do we think her eyebrows will then return to their lovely former shape? She must be very sweet in real life. We all criticize her, but her friends are so loyal. She must be pretty terrific.

Speaking of loyal, I really like Zack now. He’s a genuine friend. Jasmine was very protective of him. 

[xhoipolloix]

Why are babymoons a thing. Janet is a horrible human being with no redeeming qualities. Loved Brittany taking a stand against Jax. Don't go back to him Britt! Stay strong.

[heatherchandler]

19 hours ago, IntrovertRed said:

I don't know, I was here for Zach, he clearly had enough of the bullshit

And enough of “Crock of Shit Boots!” Hahaha

 

40 minutes ago, xhoipolloix said:

Why are babymoons a thing. Janet is a horrible human being with no redeeming qualities. Loved Brittany taking a stand against Jax. Don't go back to him Britt! Stay strong.

This baby moon was nothing but an excuse for Janet to have a getaway specifically to leave Kristen and Zach out.  

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

And enough of “Crock of Shit Boots!” Hahaha

This baby moon was nothing but an excuse for Janet to have a getaway specifically to leave Kristen and Zach out.  

I am so curious to know about the other conflicts Janet implied that she has had with Zack in the past. 
 

And I am happy that I am learning that there are more Kristen fans like me watching this show.

[Thumper]

This is so shallow, but honestly, what’s going on with some of the breasts in this show?  Brittany’s are enormous and sometimes pushed up to her collar bone.  Kristen’s were hanging low in that criss-cross top she wore (confessional?).  

Edited June 7 by Thumper

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 6/7/2024 at 5:13 PM, Thumper said:

This is so shallow, but honestly, what’s going on with some of the breasts in this show? Brittany’s are enormous and sometimes pushed up to her collar bone.  Kristen’s were hanging low in that criss-cross top she wore (confessional?).  

I am shallow, too. I think someone wrote that the reason Michelle had no idea at the Jax is Balding celebration dinner that her black dress was exposing her nipples is because implants make you much less sensitive in that area. 

Kristen gained weight. I think she looks wonderful. But I had no idea that gaining weight could increase breast size that much. She was almost flat-chested before!

Whose implants are the worst? Brittany’s, Bethenny Frankel’s, or Kelly Killoren Bensimon‘s? I think Brittany’s in that golden yellow strapless, sitting down, look the scariest.

Edited June 10 by hoodooznoodooz

[snarts]

29 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Kristen gained weight. I think she looks wonderful. But I had no idea that gaining weight could increase breast size that much. She was almost flat-chested before!

Whose implants are the worst? Brittany’s, Bethenny Frankel’s, or Kelly Killoren Bensimon‘s? I think Brittany’s in that golden yellow strapless, sitting down, look the scariest.

Kristin's!  Her boobs aren't from weight gain, they're implants that were placed over the muscle without a lift.

The size, coupled with a complete lack of support, are why they sit so low. Wearing a bra would certainly help.

IMHO paying for what nature gives most of us for free has to be the worst. 

Brittany's a close second. Hers are way too big and make her look heavier than she is. For that, I blame Jax.

[hoodooznoodooz]

4 hours ago, snarts said:

Kristin's!  Her boobs aren't from weight gain, they're implants that were placed over the muscle without a lift.

The size, coupled with a complete lack of support, are why they sit so low. Wearing a bra would certainly help.

IMHO paying for what nature gives most of us for free has to be the worst. 

Brittany's a close second. Hers are way too big and make her look heavier than she is. For that, I blame Jax.

Wow! I thought Kristen’s larger breasts were natural! I really thought they looked natural!

She definitely could benefit from a comfortable, well-fitting, beautiful bra. 
 

Yes, Brittany looks enormous because of her implants. She’s actually not THAT overweight.

But while I am being kind of mean, how did she look before Jenny Craig? Some on reddit insist that she was photoshopping her weight-loss photos.

[farmgal4]

On 6/7/2024 at 4:40 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

I am shallow, too. I think someone wrote that the reason Michelle had no idea at the Jax is Balding celebration dinner that her black dress was exposing her nipples is because implants make you much less sensitive in that area. 
Kristen gained weight. I think she looks wonderful. But I had no idea that gaining weight could increase breast size that much. She was almost flat-chested before!

Whose implants are the worst? Brittany’s, Bethenny Frankel’s, or Kelly Killoren Bensimon‘s? I think Brittany’s in that golden yellow strapless, sitting down, look the scariest.

Bethenny’s boobs are the worst.  I don’t understand why she doesn’t have them corrected/augmented or something.  Brittany’s are horrible because they are way too large for her frame.  She had that yellow outfit on and you’re right - they were pushed up to her collarbone.  Why she ever let Jax talk her into getting those monstrosities is beyond me.  Obviously she has no common sense when it comes to Jax.  I think she’ll still go back to him.

[ZettaK]

On 6/6/2024 at 4:29 PM, AnnieBananie said:

Oh, Jax's bar, as mediocre as he is.

Even less than mediocre. And that was well before the split, in case anybody thought people left bad reviews after.

Edited June 10 by ZettaK

[dancingdreamer]

On 6/2/2024 at 3:17 PM, Chatty Cake said:

She’s not entertaining drama though. 

Lala isn't  going to be on the show, it almost  sounded like she wanted Scheana  on as well. Bravo said there's  enough people on the show, no one else is needled.  

[ZettaK]

Jax's Studio City is part of an already established sports bar named Rocco's. Jax's name replaced the other name in that part of the building. It was reported that when Jax's bar first opened, the paper towels, etc. still had the name Rocco's on. 

Good for Brittany for exposing Jax about asking Bravo to bring cameras, and for pretending he made an appointment with a therapist before that, an appointment he didn't keep, of course. He never made an effort to go to therapy before anyway. Jax will never change. And shame on him for forcing his wife and child to leave the house. He is not upset- he is going on dates. 

Jesse manipulated the situation by pretending he was the victim because his wife left him. I don't think he is that innocent. It was sad to see how it ended though.

Janet is a terrible person. Zack mentioned she was a gossip, and not a nice person before she was pregnant. 

Edited June 10 by ZettaK

[Jennifersdc]

On 4/23/2024 at 6:50 PM, ChristmasJones said:

Someone may have mentioned it, but what type of plastic surgery did Brittany have around her lower jaw area - to my eyes, it looks like the corners of her mouth turn downward to a much more severe degree than before she was on this show. 

I noticed that too. It’s very distracting. Sometimes it seems like she can’t open her mouth correctly to speak. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 4/23/2024 at 6:50 PM, ChristmasJones said:

Someone may have mentioned it, but what type of plastic surgery did Brittany have around her lower jaw area - to my eyes, it looks like the corners of her mouth turn downward to a much more severe degree than before she was on this show. 

I think someone said her appearance is better now.

 

Quote: According to various sources, Brittany Cartwright has undergone liposuction to treat her double chin. In an interview, she revealed that she had the procedure done before filming the reality series “The Valley”, a spinoff of “Vanderpump Rules”. She explained that she had always been self-conscious about her double chin, which she referred to as the “turkey gobbler”, and felt that it was still present even after losing weight.

[ZettaK]

On 6/20/2024 at 2:22 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Janet was a guest at Ariana’s birthday celebration, Season VIII.

Also, Sandoval looked much better and dressed better back then. I don’t think he was shopping at women’s stores or shopping on women’s clothing websites in Season VIII. He thinks he looks better when he’s been working out, but he is actually starting to resemble Jax.

He is too muscular now, especially his arms. He was in good shape before, but not too muscular.