Chit-Chat: What's On Your Mind Today?

[Browncoat]

Duke's Mayo for me! 

And in happy news, the birds are singing, the sun is shining, and it has been above freezing for the past few days (and nights!).  I am hoping we are finished with wintry weather.

[EtheltoTillie]

13 hours ago, ABay said:

It's Miracle Whip, not mayo for me.

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

No, an abomination!

[Dimity]

I worry about me.  Got out of the car last night and  I saw what I thought was a small child standing by themselves close to the exit from the shopping centre.  I couldn't see anybody nearby so started walking over to make sure all was well.  Turns out the small child was actually a fire hydrant that someone had decorated with a toque.  I was both relieved and concerned at the same time.

[Anela]

31 minutes ago, Dimity said:

I worry about me.  Got out of the car last night and  I saw what I thought was a small child standing by themselves close to the exit from the shopping centre.  I couldn't see anybody nearby so started walking over to make sure all was well.  Turns out the small child was actually a fire hydrant that someone had decorated with a toque.  I was both relieved and concerned at the same time.

This happens to me.  I still focus on what turns out to be a sewer pipe or something, when we’re driving home in the dark, in our neighborhood. I always think it’s their dog.  
 

[SusieQ]

18 hours ago, ABay said:

It's Miracle Whip, not mayo for me.

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

You and Kim from Better Call Saul ;)

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Dimity said:

I worry about me.  Got out of the car last night and  I saw what I thought was a small child standing by themselves close to the exit from the shopping centre.  I couldn't see anybody nearby so started walking over to make sure all was well.  Turns out the small child was actually a fire hydrant that someone had decorated with a toque.  I was both relieved and concerned at the same time.

1 hour ago, Anela said:

This happens to me.  I still focus on what turns out to be a sewer pipe or something, when we’re driving home in the dark, in our neighborhood. I always think it’s their dog.  
 

Time to get the eyes checked? 

 

[Anela]

5 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

Time to get the eyes checked? 

 

I think there’s a word for it. A trick of the light.  
 

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Pareidolia (/ˌpærɪˈdoʊliə, ˌpɛər-/; also US: /ˌpɛəraɪ-/) is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one detects an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. Pareidolia is a type of apophenia.

 

I do need to get my eyes checked, though. It’s been twelve years.  

[Browncoat]

My eyes are very very bad.  I get them checked annually, by an ophthalmologist.

[PRgal]

So yesterday, I published a post on how I sometimes wondered what my ancestors think of my cooking.  At the end, I asked readers whether I should write a second part, where there IS a time travelling ancestor who comes to 2025.  What are your thoughts?  I don't want to be too mean and make that person dreadful to be with and seemingly stupid by our standards either.  

[Anduin]

Treadmill update! Turns out the intended recipient thought she was being asked for ideas for someone else. She's actually interested in something else entirely. This might be easier and cheaper to lay my hands on. Still, now I have ideas should the subject ever come up again.

[annzeepark914]

On 2/26/2025 at 10:36 PM, nokat said:

I'm surrounded by Miracle Whip users. I whimper "but I like mayo."

It's Hellmann's for me!

[shapeshifter]

8 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

It's Hellmann's for me!

I'm picky about ingredients: 
shop.wegmans.com/product/22608/wegmans-mayo-made-with-avocado-oil

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, annzeepark914 said:

It's Hellmann's for me!

It's Best Foods on this side of the Rockies, but, yeah, that's my preference.  Duke's is great, as is homemade, but I prefer the comfort factor of the mayo I grew up with.  I miss the canola oil version of about 20 years ago, which tasted just like the original but with less fat (it also had less vinegar, and I'm finicky about vinegar).  That particular formula no longer exists, so I'm back with the original as all the existing variations have notable taste differences.

[nokat]

20 minutes ago, Bastet said:

It's Best Foods on this side of the Rockies, but, yeah, that's my preference.  Duke's is great, as is homemade, but I prefer the comfort factor of the mayo I grew up with.  I miss the canola oil version of about 20 years ago, which tasted just like the original but with less fat (it also had less vinegar, and I'm finicky about vinegar).  That particular formula no longer exists, so I'm back with the original as all the existing variations have notable taste differences.

It was Best Foods for me in California. Now I'm lucky to find something other than Miracle Whip. I currently am using Hellmann's. I have a jar of Duke's waiting for me to wonder if it's that much better.

[Absolom]

Mayonnaise wars are always entertaining.  I don't think I've ever had Dukes even though I grew up in the south.  Let us know what you think.  The one hill I'll stand on is leave the Miracle Whip in the store.  

[lookeyloo]

11 hours ago, PRgal said:

So yesterday, I published a post on how I sometimes wondered what my ancestors think of my cooking.  At the end, I asked readers whether I should write a second part, where there IS a time travelling ancestor who comes to 2025.  What are your thoughts?  I don't want to be too mean and make that person dreadful to be with and seemingly stupid by our standards either.  

Your post is beautiful!  I don't have time right now to concentrate on it but my initial thoughts are that people now have access to different ingredients, there are more ways to find new recipes, cookbooks and cooking have evolved since the food revolution, food isn't nearly the same as it was back in the day and that is probably the most important thing.  The chickens my grandma used were killed on the spot for her.  Produce was local a lot of the time depending on time of year (I grew up in NJ, the Garden State, which back then meant something).  My mother went to a kosher butcher, a small supermarket, a bakery, and there were a lot of roadside stands involved.  My mother and grandmother didn't have a cookbook at all.  I used to read the women's magazines and be interested in a recipe but, I was a kid and there was no buy in.  I got married the first time in 1965 and bought myself a cookbook!!!!  Very interesting discussion.  PS we were in Rome a few years ago and found a place to eat that was attached to a house and my chicken took a long time and when it came out I said "this looks like a chicken from when I was a kid".  It was so good. And we speculated they killed the chicken when I ordered it.  But, just speculation.  Food in Europe is generally better all around.

[PRgal]

@lookeyloo And now everyone's about local again.  But things are still grown differently.  I don't usually got to farmer's markets, but have from time to time.  I do try to get things that are grown locally, however.  And with technology, some things can be grown indoors, in greenhouses, so I'm still able to get leafy green vegetables in the dead of winter!

[StatisticalOutlier]

9 hours ago, Absolom said:

Mayonnaise wars are always entertaining. 

I did a mayonnaise blind taste test once.  (I've previously done them with grocery store milk chocolate, root beer, and sugar Dr Pepper vs corn syrup Dr Pepper.)

I grew up on Miracle Whip but at Jimmy John's once, I was having my usual roast been sandwich and noticed that the mayonnaise was really doing something for me, and it was Hellman's so I switched.

Then I went to a restaurant in Dallas that's known for its tuna fish sandwiches, and believe it or not, they ARE notably delicious, and they tout that they use Duke's.

So I tested Hellman's vs. Duke's.  It didn't even really need to be a blind test because I could tell the difference immediately:  Duke's is more tangy.  Do I like one more than the other?  Not necessarily.

Years ago I got the recipe for the Whole Foods sonoma chicken salad (the one with grapes and pecans in it), and it said to use canola oil mayonnaise, and I assumed they were using their store brand of it, so I would always use that.  And my home-made version of the chicken salad tasted exactly like the store version. 

But one time I was out of it and made the chicken salad with Hellman's, and I couldn't really tell a difference, so I don't bother with the Whole Foods canola mayo any more.

And I don't think the tangy nature of Duke's would work well in it, but then again, the recipe has apple cider vinegar in it, so maybe?  The tuna salad I make isn't necessarily better with Duke's, but it definitely isn't worse.  And it's nothing like the notable tuna salad in Dallas, so there's no way to compare. 

So I'm sticking with Hellman's, and every once in a while I come across some of those little packets of Duke's and I'll get some and use them when I mix together my fry sauce (ketchup and mayo) when I'm out eating french fries--I've convinced myself that I like having the tang.  But, really, any old mayo works for that.

One thing I found interesting was that I once read about how Amy Sedaris pulled a prank on her fat-phobic father by coming to visit once wearing a fat suit, and she went to the refrigerator and got a jar of mayo and was sitting there eating it with a spoon.  I thought it sounded so gross to just eat it like that, but that's what I was doing with my taste test and it was actually kind of good.

 

 

 

[shapeshifter]

17 hours ago, PRgal said:

So yesterday, I published a post on how I sometimes wondered what my ancestors think of my cooking.  At the end, I asked readers whether I should write a second part, where there IS a time travelling ancestor who comes to 2025.  What are your thoughts?  I don't want to be too mean and make that person dreadful to be with and seemingly stupid by our standards either.  

I love the recipe!
And I love time travel stories.
So…I guess that's a "Yes!"?

[nokat]

18 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Duke's would work well in it, but then again, the recipe has apple cider vinegar in it, so maybe? 

The difference I saw was the vinegar used. Duke's uses apple cider vinegar, and Hellman's uses corn vinegar.

When my sister visited, she wanted Miracle Whip despite me saying I can add some vinegar and paprika to the mayo and it'll be the same thing.

[Cloud9Shopper]

TL;DR: I have a weird anxiety about giving up social media even though I wish I could. I worry about missing out and not feeling connected to others.
 

So I’n giving up Facebook for Lent (to be clear, the app/feed part. I’m still keeping Messenger to talk to family and any friends that use it.) I may also give up Instagram, but I’m undecided. (I just realized a couple of my favorite dog pages are active there and I don’t want to lose out on cute dog posts until Easter.) And to be honest, it’s giving me some anxiety. Like do I care that my friend’s super special perfect daughter (only child, friend constantly brags about her) made the Dean’s List and is of course as perfect in college as she was in high school? Yes, that stuff I could be fine not knowing, especially since I’m not super close to that person. But like it or not, most everyone uses social media these days to stay connected and post events and I worry about not knowing about things like hobby classes I may want to take or missing out on posts about church events. Even with church, though, those are posted in the bulletin so I doubt I would miss that much. Also, if someone I do care about has a big life event I would miss out on that. 

It’s also part why I can’t quit Reddit. That doesn’t serve the same function as posting about church events or talking to my family, but it does give a community to discuss common interests or other life and work topics. Part of me worries about pulling the plug on it and wondering if it would be weird to watch an episode of a show and not go running online to post about it or discuss a “ship” or whatever. Rationally, I’m sure plenty of people do this…watch a show, enjoy it, but don’t feel a need to post online and join a fandom. I feel like quitting Reddit would have me wondering what I was missing and longing to be a part of a community and eventually making a new account. Or maybe it would only feel weird for a few days and I’d adjust.  Seemingly, I talked to two coworkers who really aren’t on social media and seem just fine with that. I think one uses just Facebook and the other isn’t really on anything at all. I wish I had that confidence. 

At the same time, I imagine what it would be like to do things after work like focus more on my workouts or my books instead of flopping on the couch in exhaustion and scrolling Reddit and Discord. That part of it feels easy….like it’s an escape from a long day. 

[Dimity]

3 hours ago, nokat said:

When my sister visited, she wanted Miracle Whip despite me saying I can add some vinegar and paprika to the mayo and it'll be the same thing.

You like what you like though.  I like store bought tartar sauce, I don't care which brand.  My husband keeps insisting he can make it just as well as the ingredients are pretty basic.  Call me fussy but it never tastes the same to me.

Edited Saturday at 03:26 PM by Dimity

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

So I’n giving up Facebook for Lent

You could also consider what two of our priests always recommended.  Don't give something up, add something that will improve your life or someone else's.  Suggestions they made were to pray for 15 minutes a day, read a chapter in the Bible every day, volunteer even an hour a week, go to daily mass once a week, etc.  If you have the money, give an extra $10 a week to a soup kitchen, the parish school, or a worthy cause of your choice.  Or give up a coffee once a week and donate that money. If social media is your connection to quite a bit of life, giving it up sounds counterproductive to improving your life.  Perhaps try a portion of social media that doesn't provide you with a social connection?  I might suggest anything gossipy or that raises your blood pressure or makes you feel like arguing.  I already have a couple of candidates in mind for myself.   

[chitowngirl]

3 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

At the same time, I imagine what it would be like to do things after work like focus more on my workouts or my books instead of flopping on the couch in exhaustion and scrolling Reddit and Discord. That part of it feels easy….like it’s an escape from a long day. 

Maybe save any scrolling as a reward for doing after workouts or reading? And set time limits! 

[Absolom]

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

You like what you like though.  I like store bought tartar sauce, I don't care which brand.  My husband keeps insisting he can make it just as well as the ingredients are pretty basic.  Call me fussy but it never tastes the same to me.

I'm similar in that I only like one brand of cocktail sauce and prefer only one brand of sweet pickle relish.  I've broadened my acceptance of mayonnaise which is good since none of my kids buy my preferred brand.  I'm not a fan of vinegar so perhaps I've lucked out in not tasting Duke's.  😁

On the tartar house front, I'm your opposite.  I prefer my homemade to store bought.  I use it so little it's a waste to buy it and having most of it expire before getting used so I'm fortunate it works out this way for me.

[PRgal]

Speaking of mayo, if you go to a Chinese restaurant and a menu item says it comes with "salad dressing," 99% of the time, you'd be given some type of mayo.  Until probably the 80s, if you said that you were going to make a salad, people would think mean potato.  

Note:  I actually HATE potato salad.  But it's probably because I don't like mayo

[nokat]

On 2/28/2025 at 10:29 AM, PRgal said:

@lookeyloo And now everyone's about local again.  But things are still grown differently.  I don't usually got to farmer's markets, but have from time to time.  I do try to get things that are grown locally, however.  And with technology, some things can be grown indoors, in greenhouses, so I'm still able to get leafy green vegetables in the dead of winter!

Thanks for reminding me. I need to start sprouts soon. I help with a local garden so we get fresh vegetables. We probably have one more big snow storm, and then we can start planting.

[shapeshifter]

15 hours ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

TL;DR: …about giving up social media…worry about missing out and not feeling connected to others.…

Maybe for your last, pre-Lent post, say something like "I will be off social media until April 20, but will be checking my Messenger account."

[Bastet]

I don't use social media, and if there's anyone I am no longer in touch with because that method of communication isn't an option for them, they're not springing to mind -- and I obviously don't miss them.

[PRgal]

I was going to go off Facebook for Lent but I have a weird feeling my next book would be ready to announce (ie I’ll have a mockup) before Easter.  I was hoping that it would be ready even earlier, and good to go for Asian Heritage and Jewish Heritage Month (both in May), but I’m not 100% sure.  It’s not culturally specific, but it’s about the same family as my first book, so it would make sense…..

[JustHereForFood]

On 3/1/2025 at 8:39 PM, PRgal said:

Speaking of mayo, if you go to a Chinese restaurant and a menu item says it comes with "salad dressing," 99% of the time, you'd be given some type of mayo.  Until probably the 80s, if you said that you were going to make a salad, people would think mean potato.  

Note:  I actually HATE potato salad.  But it's probably because I don't like mayo

I don't like mayo, but I love potato salad. My recipe is similar to those made with mayo, but I use sour cream instead and I love it that way.

[PRgal]

1 minute ago, JustHereForFood said:

I don't like mayo, but I love potato salad. My recipe is similar to those made with mayo, but I use sour cream instead and I love it that way.

I don't like sour cream, either.  I'll have it if nothing else is available (e.g. if it's the only thing offered for latkes), but it's not my favourite thing to eat.  Greek yogurt is a great sub though!

[Absolom]

8 hours ago, PRgal said:

I was going to go off Facebook for Lent

Another alternate choice that came up today is to try fasting from anger, impatience, or quarreling if you feel you must give something up.

I think I'll try fasting from responding to trolls and as much as possible to fast from reading their posts.  As in quit reading as soon as I see the name or recognize the dialog.  

[PRgal]

1 minute ago, Absolom said:

Another alternate choice that came up today is to try fasting from anger, impatience, or quarreling if you feel you must give something up.

I think I'll try fasting from responding to trolls and as much as possible to fast from reading their posts.  As in quit reading as soon as I see the name or recognize the dialog.  

Maybe I'll do that.  Too many out there, and so many triggers, too.  Another thing for people to consider is to abstain from using the word "normal" to refer to a subset of people (it's usually socio-economically based) while others are not "normal."  Unless you're talking about, say, Elon or the Orange Guy.

[Ancaster]

On 2/15/2025 at 3:25 PM, Anduin said:

Someone has asked for one for their birthday. I'm coordinating with two other people here, it's all a bit complicated. Have to wait for answers, and so on.

I know you've answered your original question, but if this kind of situation comes up (for anyone), I would definitely suggest giving cash.  That way, you spend what you want and they make the decision and can add extra if your amount doesn't cover their heart's desire.  And buying a big ticket, used item if you're not sure it's what the person wants is not a good idea unless it can be returned.

 

On 2/25/2025 at 5:52 PM, lookeyloo said:

I am not a fan of mayo but the Japanese mayo Kewpie is sort of okay. In moderation

I use Heinz Salad Cream because it's more vinegary and less rich than American mayo, which I find too heavy and oily.  It's not cheap to buy it in the States, but I've found it at Krogers and World Market.  Also, for cheese sandwich eaters, Branston Pickle is a must.

(One time we took a jar on a vacation rental trip with American friends, and they were horrified to read it had marrow in it.  Marrow = monster zucchini.  In Wallace and Gromett: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, they had to dub "melon" for "marrow" in the US version so audiences weren't left scratching their heads/feeling grossed out.)

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[EtheltoTillie]

3 hours ago, PRgal said:

I don't like sour cream, either.  I'll have it if nothing else is available (e.g. if it's the only thing offered for latkes), but it's not my favourite thing to eat.  Greek yogurt is a great sub though!

Oh, I feel for you in not enjoying sour cream.  Sour cream is nectar of the gods.  I made my yearly batch of mixed vegetable borscht (beets plus cabbage, carrots, turnip, potato, tomatoes) last night.  It must be eaten with a dab of sour cream. 

[JustHereForFood]

1 hour ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Oh, I feel for you in not enjoying sour cream.  Sour cream is nectar of the gods.  I made my yearly batch of mixed vegetable borscht (beets plus cabbage, carrots, turnip, potato, tomatoes) last night.  It must be eaten with a dab of sour cream. 

I love sour cream, but I never understood the appeal of putting it into soups.

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[EtheltoTillie]

3 minutes ago, JustHereForFood said:

I love sour cream, but I never understood the appeal of putting it into soups.

I love sour cream, but I never understood the appeal of putting it into soups.

Curious what you do like it with.  In soup it's good because it cools off the soup if it's too hot and it gives a particular creamy taste that is just very enjoyable. 

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, Ancaster said:

Also, for cheese sandwich eaters, Branston Pickle is a must.

Very interesting ingredients.  Unfortunately, I'll never be able to try it.

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Specifications

Made with carrot, rutabaga, onion, cauliflower, sugar, barley malt vinegar, date paste, apple pulp and spices

Contains gluten and sulfites

 

[JustHereForFood]

10 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Curious what you do like it with.  In soup it's good because it cools off the soup if it's too hot and it gives a particular creamy taste that is just very enjoyable. 

I don't like it mixed with anything watery and don't like anything dairy in soups in general. I like it in baking, desserts (I put it into tiramisu instead of mascarpone for example), or in any combination with potatoes - in pirohy (more known overseas by it's Polish name pierogi, I believe), all sorts of baked potato dishes, or just on its own with boiled potatoes - that's a pretty humble dish, but I like it. Honestly, Slavic people will put sour cream into anything, I think, so there is a lot to choose from even if one doesn't like some of it.

[Dimity]

1 minute ago, JustHereForFood said:

Honestly, Slavic people will put sour cream into anything, I think, so there is a lot to choose from even if one doesn't like some of it.

I have a set of great grandparents from Poland and this is true even on to the third generation!

[JustHereForFood]

Honestly, here it's in sauerkraut soup, how or why I have no idea:

[Anela]

25 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Curious what you do like it with.  In soup it's good because it cools off the soup if it's too hot and it gives a particular creamy taste that is just very enjoyable. 

I didn’t like it when I was younger. I only like mayo in spinach dip, where it’s mixed with sour cream, amd everything else. I only like one specific potato salad, too.  I hardly ever eat it.  
I also love sour cream in tacos, and I dip taquitos in hot sauce, and sour cream. 

[PRgal]

1 hour ago, Ancaster said:

I know you've answered your original question, but if this kind of situation comes up (for anyone), I would definitely suggest giving cash.  That way, you spend what you want and they make the decision and can add extra if your amount doesn't cover their heart's desire.  And buying a big ticket, used item if you're not sure it's what the person wants is not a good idea unless it can be returned.

 

I use Heinz Salad Cream because it's more vinegary and less rich than American mayo, which I find too heavy and oily.  It's not cheap to buy it in the States, but I've found it at Krogers and World Market.  Also, for cheese sandwich eaters, Branston Pickle is a must.

(One time we took a jar on a vacation rental trip with American friends, and they were horrified to read it had marrow in it.  Marrow = monster zucchini.  In Wallace and Gromett: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, they had to dub "melon" for "marrow" in the US version so audiences weren't left scratching their heads/feeling grossed out.)

No WONDER the Chinese community in North America used to think salad dressing and mayo were more or less the same thing.  It’s the salad cream.  I think some dim sum restaurants still call it salad dressing (but it’s slowly changing around here since we CBCs are often scratching our heads!  Plus non-Chinese communities have dim sum as well). 

[Anduin]

2 hours ago, Ancaster said:

I know you've answered your original question, but if this kind of situation comes up (for anyone), I would definitely suggest giving cash.  That way, you spend what you want and they make the decision and can add extra if your amount doesn't cover their heart's desire.  And buying a big ticket, used item if you're not sure it's what the person wants is not a good idea unless it can be returned.

Yeah, I understand cash. It's just not very exciting. I have given some pretty good pressies in the past and hope to do so again.

[EtheltoTillie]

1 hour ago, JustHereForFood said:

I don't like it mixed with anything watery and don't like anything dairy in soups in general. I like it in baking, desserts (I put it into tiramisu instead of mascarpone for example), or in any combination with potatoes - in pirohy (more known overseas by it's Polish name pierogi, I believe), all sorts of baked potato dishes, or just on its own with boiled potatoes - that's a pretty humble dish, but I like it. Honestly, Slavic people will put sour cream into anything, I think, so there is a lot to choose from even if one doesn't like some of it.

Hence putting it in borscht!  

[Ancaster]

1 minute ago, Anduin said:

Yeah, I understand cash. It's just not very exciting. I have given some pretty good pressies in the past and hope to do so again.

For sure, I totally get that, but in your situation (or what you/we thought it was), splitting an expensive gift with two other people for someone who didn't really know what they wanted, that seemed like an accident waiting to happen!

[Anduin]

30 minutes ago, Ancaster said:

For sure, I totally get that, but in your situation (or what you/we thought it was), splitting an expensive gift with two other people for someone who didn't really know what they wanted, that seemed like an accident waiting to happen!

Okay, I see your point! But hopefully it's sorted now. :)

[nokat]

6 hours ago, Ancaster said:

I know you've answered your original question, but if this kind of situation comes up (for anyone), I would definitely suggest giving cash.  That way, you spend what you want and they make the decision and can add extra if your amount doesn't cover their heart's desire.  And buying a big ticket, used item if you're not sure it's what the person wants is not a good idea unless it can be returned.

 

I use Heinz Salad Cream because it's more vinegary and less rich than American mayo, which I find too heavy and oily.  It's not cheap to buy it in the States, but I've found it at Krogers and World Market.  Also, for cheese sandwich eaters, Branston Pickle is a must.

(One time we took a jar on a vacation rental trip with American friends, and they were horrified to read it had marrow in it.  Marrow = monster zucchini.  In Wallace and Gromett: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, they had to dub "melon" for "marrow" in the US version so audiences weren't left scratching their heads/feeling grossed out.)

My husband loved the bone with the marrow still in it when we had a roast. I don't see it anymore. I have two things to look for now. I do love a pickle.

[Ancaster]

1 hour ago, nokat said:

My husband loved the bone with the marrow still in it when we had a roast. I don't see it anymore. I have two things to look for now. I do love a pickle.

Do you live in or near a foody city?  Bone marrow (at fancy butchers' shops or in trendy restaurants) has become quite the thing in the last couple of years where I am.  Asian grocery markets often have them too.  I don't know whether you can get it actually in the roast or just as the actual bone.  I remember it as a kid but my dad would always get it 🤪.

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