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S19.E08: All Star


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Teddy makes a challenging decision. Meanwhile, Maggie and Winston aren’t on speaking terms, and Link leans on Jo for emotional support as he preps for a surgery on a well-known athlete. Simone and Lucas are surprised by an unlikely visitor.


Airdate: March 2, 2023

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The one nice thing about the episode was it showed that the series can function just fine without Meredith.  Otherwise, it was mostly average. 

I didn't really care about the football player.  Maybe if they had developed his character more, or there were real stakes with the surgery, the loss would be more meaningful.  As it was, the only thing that surprised me was that the mom hadn't already heard her kid was dead, if Lincoln immediately gave a press conference after the patient was declared and the patient was supposed to be a celebrity of sorts.  

I did like the abortion storyline for its simplicity, i.e. the woman realized having another kid was not going to work, stuck by her decision and it was all handled with minimal drama.      

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I knew he was a goner as soon as they had the conversation with his mom before the surgery. They are nothing if not predictable. And yes, the family should have been notified before anyone talked to the press, even if they are in a different country. 

9 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I did like the abortion storyline for its simplicity, i.e. the woman realized having another kid was not going to work, stuck by her decision and it was all handled with minimal drama.      

Agreed.

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So Ellen Pompeo is going to continue doing the narration? Did she do them all in advance?

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I did like the abortion storyline for its simplicity, i.e. the woman realized having another kid was not going to work, stuck by her decision and it was all handled with minimal drama.     

I was relieved she didn't change her mind at the last minute, that would have been such a huge cop-out and concession to the anti-choice crowd. Glad the show had the guts to do it.

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18 minutes ago, PWHCHCH said:

Nice to see Altman skirting her responsibilities 5minutes after becoming chief. This bodes well. /s

Well, she basically demanded an assistant to deal with people so she doesn't have to. (Though, I'd think someone in charge of an entire surgery department would have some kind of assistant, anyway.)

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22 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Well, she basically demanded an assistant to deal with people so she doesn't have to. (Though, I'd think someone in charge of an entire surgery department would have some kind of assistant, anyway.)

Richard had an assistant back in the day, but that position seems to have disappeared over the years.

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2 hours ago, PWHCHCH said:

Nice to see Altman skirting her responsibilities 5minutes after becoming chief. This bodes well. /s

As the saying goes…Start as you mean to go on. 

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This show bores me a lot but I liked that they showed an abortion on screen and explained the steps. I consider that a real public service given how many insane lies people tell about abortion. Somewhere out there is a woman staring at a pregnancy test and afraid to ask necessary questions because of changes in the law. There are plenty of women for whom this might be the only place they can get accurate information.

I was much less enamored by how this show presents hiring at the hospital. The idea that Amelia could just walk herself into Richard's office during his meeting with Teddy and just announce she wanted the Chief job was beyond stupid. Nothing works that way.

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The idea that Amelia could just walk herself into Richard's office during his meeting with Teddy and just announce she wanted the Chief job was beyond stupid. Nothin works that way.

Considering all the preposterous things that happen on this show, I found that particular scene the least objectionable. Actually I thought it was kind of funny, there was something about Caterina Scorsone's delivery of "Bailey sent me in here. I don't want to be chief!" that cracked me up.

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18 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I didn't really care about the football player.  Maybe if they had developed his character more, or there were real stakes with the surgery, the loss would be more meaningful.  As it was, the only thing that surprised me was that the mom hadn't already heard her kid was dead, if Lincoln immediately gave a press conference after the patient was declared and the patient was supposed to be a celebrity of sorts.  

Hopefully, Lincoln didn't give a press conference before calling the family. I know there was that reporter hanging around, but maybe they asked him to wait for an hour or so?

I found it hard to believe there would be so many reporters outside the hospital trying to take pictures of the doctors. I mean, it would be a big story but are that many people going to stake out the hospital? They would be writing stories about the guy's life and talking to his friends/family/teammates.

3 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

Richard had an assistant back in the day, but that position seems to have disappeared over the years.

I remember Alex filling in at one point and he made all the interns do the grunt work. In fact, he thought the job was easy because he delegated everything. He may be the smartest one.

Richard should have hired from outside. I feel like they've been losing doctors without replacing them for awhile.

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I also thought it was glaringly obvious that the football player was going to die. Shouldn't Linc have been the one to contact the mother? I could see if Simone wanted to be present for the call, but it seems like his regular surgeon should have been the one to call.

And I also appreciated the low-key abortion. And was bracing myself for her to change her mind at the last minute, especially when she looked over at her son. Or that her husband would have talked her out of it. And as someone who suffered from post-partum depression, I think it was important that they talked about that, too. And in this case, how opting to not have another baby could help her be able to still be around and be present for her existing children.

Finally, good for Winston for standing up for himself to Maggie. She was being very insensitive and thinking of herself, not what he needed in that moment. Or, in the bigger picture, what he needs in his career.

I felt bad for Lucas in the end, though I imagine him and Simone will get together eventually.

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14 minutes ago, MarylandGirl said:

Finally, good for Winston for standing up for himself to Maggie. She was being very insensitive and thinking of herself, not what he needed in that moment. Or, in the bigger picture, what he needs in his career.

She really annoyed me with her line about him not saving lives if he switches or something like that. So only cardio saves lives?

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7 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

Richard had an assistant back in the day, but that position seems to have disappeared over the years.

Wasn't April in that assistant role for a while?  I sort of remember her being Derek's assistant.

5 hours ago, marceline said:

This show bores me a lot but I liked that they showed an abortion on screen and explained the steps. I consider that a real public service given how many insane lies people tell about abortion. Somewhere out there is a woman staring at a pregnancy test in afraid to ask necessary questions because of changes in the law. There are plenty of women for whom this might be the only place they can get accurate information.

It was brilliant of them to show it, and so clearly that it was easy to understand. I also liked that Jo took the time to praise her intern for listening to her patient. 

2 hours ago, MarylandGirl said:

And I also appreciated the low-key abortion. And was bracing myself for her to change her mind at the last minute, especially when she looked over at her son. Or that her husband would have talked her out of it. And as someone who suffered from post-partum depression, I think it was important that they talked about that, too. And in this case, how opting to not have another baby could help her be able to still be around and be present for her existing children.

Including her post-partum depression also showed how pregnancy isn't just a simple 9 month process, but has long-lasting effects on your body and mind.

I was impressed with how they handled this entire story line. This show is often terrible with pregnancies, miscarriages and babies, but April's story with Samuel, and this one were well thought out and well done.

2 hours ago, ams1001 said:

She really annoyed me with her line about him not saving lives if he switches or something like that. So only cardio saves lives?

Maggie doesn't seem able to understand Winston's feelings at all.  She doesn't respect that he thinks life is about more than heart surgery, and can't understand why he thinks so.

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2 minutes ago, izabella said:

Maggie doesn't seem able to understand Winston's feelings at all.  She doesn't respect that he thinks life is about more than heart surgery, and can't understand why he thinks so.

To understand his feelings, she would need empathy, but she can’t seem to comprehend any other viewpoint than her own. 

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17 minutes ago, Proteus said:

Did anyone understand what FU meant in the pooping guy patients story?

It was Phở, ; Vietnamese soup with noodles and meat (pronounced like 'fuh'). He was doing a restaurant's eating challenge (and apparently at least some of their menu items have names that are puns on pho).

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11 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

It was Phở, ; Vietnamese soup with noodles and meat (pronounced like 'fuh'). He was doing a restaurant's eating challenge (and apparently at least some of their menu items have names that are puns on pho).

Ah, thanks a lot for explaining.

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8 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

Richard had an assistant back in the day, but that position seems to have disappeared over the years.

Patricia was his assistant in the early days of the series.  I liked her character and wish that they had kept her on.  Nothing ever ruffled her feathers and she kept Richard in line and on schedule (usually).

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1 hour ago, izabella said:

Wasn't April in that assistant role for a while?

Which is silly. They need some kind of administrative assistant; that shouldn't be another surgeon. I don't want the person with my life in their hands to be worrying about the five other job titles they hold in this hospital.

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Since when is an ACL repair something you’re admitted to the hospital for? My husband had to do his twice, both times it was an outpatient procedure? Did football guy have some other medical issue I missed? it made zero sense?

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On 3/3/2023 at 10:33 PM, DEL901 said:

To understand his feelings, she would need empathy, but she can’t seem to comprehend any other viewpoint than her own. 

How long have these two been married? I know people have all kinds of opinions about Mer's exit but at least we don't have to watch Maggie and Winston trying to be parents. 

On 3/3/2023 at 11:11 PM, ams1001 said:

It was Phở, ; Vietnamese soup with noodles and meat (pronounced like 'fuh'). He was doing a restaurant's eating challenge (and apparently at least some of their menu items have names that are puns on pho).

I was very grateful for closed-captioning in this ep.

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Maybe I wasn't observant but it appears that they had the football player under general anesthesia during the operation.

My experience with orthopedic surgery on the legs and hips is that one is given a spinal block and some kind of IV which puts renders one oblivious to the world for the duration of the surgery.

General is much riskier and no need for knee surgery. This would be especially true for someone who is 320 pounds as they are at greater risk

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On 3/5/2023 at 3:46 PM, amarante said:

Maybe I wasn't observant but it appears that they had the football player under general anesthesia during the operation.

My experience with orthopedic surgery on the legs and hips is that one is given a spinal block and some kind of IV which puts renders one oblivious to the world for the duration of the surgery.

General is much riskier and no need for knee surgery. This would be especially true for someone who is 320 pounds as they are at greater risk

I had knee surgery (arthroscopic) and had a general and went home an hour after surgery. I'm pretty sure I didn't have any kind of spinal.  And I'm way bigger than the average bear. I worked for an orthopedic surgeon for a while and he did lots of ACL surgeries on athletes and they went home shortly after surgery.  Maybe because this guy was having some kind of revolutionary ACL repair (cos nobody can have a regular surgery at Grey-Sloan). 

Part of my annoyance was fixated on the fact that the football player was from Haiti but he flew all the way from Haiti when he was younger to play in Seattle? Hello? Hopscotching over the most obvious choice of Miami which is way closer? And I was also annoyed because when he spoke to his mother, they sounded like they were using Jamaican accents. I work with multiple Haitian folks and they don't sound at all like Jamaicans and vice versa.  If they were going to "go there" and have somebody from Haiti, at least get the accent right.  

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50 minutes ago, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

Part of my annoyance was fixated on the fact that the football player was from Haiti but he flew all the way from Haiti when he was younger to play in Seattle? Hello? Hopscotching over the most obvious choice of Miami which is way closer? And I was also annoyed because when he spoke to his mother, they sounded like they were using Jamaican accents. I work with multiple Haitian folks and they don't sound at all like Jamaicans and vice versa.  If they were going to "go there" and have somebody from Haiti, at least get the accent right.  

I don't think he had been in Seattle when he was younger. I thought he came to the US to play college football (location unknown) and had just recently been drafted into the NFL after graduating. 

On 3/3/2023 at 10:29 PM, izabella said:

It was brilliant of them to show it, and so clearly that it was easy to understand. I also liked that Jo took the time to praise her intern for listening to her patient. 

I really liked that too, I always like when they let Jo be competent rather than a mess. But, why would a surgical intern be working with OB?

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Ever since I saw someone suggest that Winston could go work at a different hospital and still do cardio without working under his wife it’s been bothering me that it never comes up on the show. Then again Maggie would probably still be mad because her hospital is the only one that saves lives. 

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