Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[DisneyBoy]

Johnny's mother is Sami, therefore his uncle is Brady, who would be grandpa to Tate's kid. Rachel is Brady's daughter and would be the kid's Aunt.

[nilyank]

It is still better than Allie was trying to give away her baby to anyone who weren't even looking to adopt like her brother Will, her one time stepfather who was only that for about only 1 year and so, and finally her uncle Eric and the woman who kidnapped her sister twice.

[DisneyBoy]

2 hours ago, nilyank said:

It is still better than Allie was trying to give away her baby to anyone who weren't even looking to adopt like her brother Will, her one time stepfather who was only that for about only 1 year and so, and finally her uncle Eric and the woman who kidnapped her sister twice.

Geez I'd forgotten about that. In fairness, that was the result of a rape, though. She wasn't handling it well obviously.

I hated that that was her intro story as an adult.

[brisbydog]

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Johnny's mother is Sami, therefore his uncle is Brady, who would be grandpa to Tate's kid. Rachel is Brady's daughter and would be the kid's Aunt.

Brady is not actually related to Sami. Marlena is Brady's step mother

Tate and Johnny's mothers are first cousins.

[BuckeyeLou]

I rather enjoyed Dougie3 barging into the cabin, then seeing Holly in her sexy lingerie...and when he read the romantic poem to Holly...it was very sweet & romantic, I like the vibe between Dougie3& Holly.  I think young Dougie will want to follow in his Grandfather Doug's footsteps & find true Romance.  Totally opposite from romantic were FakeRafe's crude words & kisses on Belle(altho it made me laugh, Belle's face was so confused :)  But, then Belle runs to EJ...rolling my eyes.  I also liked the sweet moments between JJ & Gabi.

[CanaryFan98]

5 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Geez I'd forgotten about that. In fairness, that was the result of a rape, though. She wasn't handling it well obviously.

I hated that that was her intro story as an adult.

At the time we didn't know she was raped though. Which actually makes the optics of Sami forcing her to keep the kid even more terrible. I agree that intro story to her as an adult was terrible and she went downhill from there.

[Pearson80]

On 2/16/2025 at 5:52 PM, CanaryFan98 said:

You kind of have a point here that while we want these type of characters they don't translate onscreen as interesting either.

Paige's murder was disturbing to me(and I say this as someone that didn't really care for the character that much either) probably because of how graphic it was however I did like what she (and Wendy represented for young girls on this show) especially since we ended up with Ciara and Allie later (and I disliked both of them as adults).

Paige's graphic murder is why the serial killer with the abs should never have been redeemed and marry the daughter of Bo and Hope..

[DisneyBoy]

I'll see your Paige and raise you a Will.

Cuz the show offing a character they spent 20 years developing who got them a ton of good press by being the first coming out story in the DOOL's history?

 

THAT was why he absolutely never should have been redeemed.

 

Having Will "see the good in him" later made me retch. Disgusting.

[tribeca]

Serena was killed running scared in the woods alone.  Thank goodness they did not show that   

[4evaQuez]

2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I'll see your Paige and raise you a Will.

Cuz the show offing a character they spent 20 years developing who got them a ton of good press by being the first coming out story in the DOOL's history?

 

THAT was why he absolutely never should have been redeemed.

 

Having Will "see the good in him" later made me retch. Disgusting.

I hate Will, so Ben killing him was the best thing Ben did to me.

I still hate the show resurrected Will.

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

Serena was killed running scared in the woods alone.  Thank goodness they did not show that   

Serena and Paige...Ben was doing the Lord's work. What boring characters.

[nilyank]

He almost killed their legacy star Marlena but rather than having her treat him the way she has treated Kristen for decades, she became his champion.

[boes]

Much of the show is a slog for me me right now, but EJ and Belle make me sit up and take notice.  And laugh.  And enjoy the chemistry they share with each other.  I don't think I've seen Dan's EJ have much romantic chemistry with anyone since he started and while I always enjoy MM's Belle, she sure didn't have much with BB.

Dan's EJ, along with Steve and Kayla, Kate, JJ and occasional sparks from a few others keep me watching.

As for the odious OllieBen Necktie Killer, he should have been dissolved in one of Dr. Rolf's formulas instead of becoming just the most lovable serial killer in all of Salem Town.  Besides all the murders, he also destroyed the adult Ciara pretty much beyond repair.  Ron C.s cutsey reuse of the actor as Alex Kiriakis is a big fat failure on many levels IMO.  Instead of taking his shirt off, I wish Show made him wear a parka, a couple of bags over his head and a gag to muffle his voice. 

What Steve and Kayla have done to deserve being stuck with this bonehead as a possible son-in-law is beyond me. 

[Rodney]

4 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I'll see your Paige and raise you a Will.

3 hours ago, tribeca said:

Serena was killed running scared in the woods alone.  Thank goodness they did not show that   

It utterly sickens me how seldom I see the fourth, unsung victim mentioned here.  At least we got to see how badly Serena, Paige, and Will got it (which, granted, was pretty gruesome for all three).  We were only left wondering how badly Wendy got it, and she got shot rather than strangled.  (And I mean the poor midwife, not Li's sister.)

[boes]

25 minutes ago, Rodney said:

It utterly sickens me how seldom I see the fourth, unsung victim mentioned here. 

That's because we hate midwives here.  It's either full or no wives, none of this wishy washy mid stuff.

It's part of the secret handshake and all.

And now I've let the cat out of the bag.  (If the cat was a midwife, it'd never make it out of the bag, I promise)

Edited Yest. at 06:43 AM by boes

[DisneyBoy]

1 hour ago, 4evaQuez said:

I hate Will, so Ben killing him was the best thing Ben did to me.

I still hate the show resurrected Will.

Do we have an Unpopular Opinions Thread? If so, this definitely qualifies! 😄

Speak on it, though. Why the hate?

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

He almost killed their legacy star Marlena but rather than having her treat him the way she has treated Kristen for decades, she became his champion.

I don't even think Marlena ever even addressed it either. Bizarre!

I still hate that freaking Cin wedding SO! MUCH! you guys. I honestly can't even think about it without mentally cursing. WTF even WAS that mess?!?

1 hour ago, 4evaQuez said:

Serena and Paige...Ben was doing the Lord's work. What boring characters.

Fine, they were, but still....horribly misogynistic treatment. The writers literally went down the path of having him kill only women and a gay man, and then being all "oh well, it wasnt THAT big a deal! He's got abs! He's good now!"

Fucked up.

Who was the murdered midwife's fiancee, the guy who helped Eve torture Ben? Cuz I loved him.

[Rodney]

24 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Who was the murdered midwife's fiancee, the guy who helped Eve torture Ben? Cuz I loved him.

Vincent Belman.  The Australian actor who played him was supposed to come back and reprise the role, but was stuck in Australia due to COVID.  So they killed him offscreen via suicide in prison instead.  But he was supposed to have a bigger role in Ben and Ciara's story before that happened.

[4evaQuez]

12 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Do we have an Unpopular Opinions Thread? If so, this definitely qualifies! 😄

Speak on it, though. Why the hate?

Chandler Massey's Will was written as more of a plot device or a conduit for stories for characters much more interesting than he was. 

While I know everyone liked the coming out story, and I like moments from it, it ultimately became a story about Sami. I think Will had one really great moment with the kiss outside the gay bar(?). It is also what created the Will/Marlena dynamic. Will and Marlena rarely interacted before the coming out story. Will was much closer to Kate. For me, Will quickly went into the background, and I thought his coming out story explored the Sami / Marlena dynamic quite beautifully. While Sami was no longer actively making Marlena's life hell, I thought it showed how tense their relationship still was.

One of my favorite moments in the coming out storyline is when Will is with Marlena for support. Sami calls Will, and Marlena rolls her eyes - in front of Will - that Sami is calling him. Will tells Sami he's with Marlena and Sami is visibly hurt. Marlena says something snarky about Sami when Will ends the call. I thought his coming out did a lot of interesting things for Sami and Marlena. I didn't think Will was particularly interesting outside of his very initial first kiss.

I also understand his coming out came out a sensitive time. That being said, I thought it mostly lacked bite. Compared to Bianca's coming out on All My Children or even Craig's late in life coming out story, I thought everyone was too accepting. While that's great in real life, on a Soap, there needs to be drama. Caroline was completely accepting; Priest Eric Brady was accepting. Even Victor was accepting. The show waffled with Lucas in ways that made no narrative sense. He's against it. Now he's not. Now he is. Now he's not. If there was an actual story attached to that wafffling, it could have been interesting. Instead, it was cheap storytelling.

Sami makes everything about her, but again, for me, the dynamic between Sami and Marlena was much more interesting and nuanced. Will was a conduit for those interactions, but he didn't particularly help move the story along.

Not moving stories along is my main issue with Will. In the paternity of Arianna Grace, Will took a backseat and it became a Nick and Gabi versus Sami story.

In the homophobia against Will, Will took a backseat and it became a Nick versus Sami and EJ story.

The show wanted to remake Sami/John/Marlena/Roman and office desk sex with Will/Sami/EJ/Lucas and couch sex. Will is not Sami, and Sami is not Marlena. It was a cheap and badly written storyline because Will can not carry story. It was another story that ultimately went nowhere and Will took a backseat yet again.

I wasn't a fan of Will/Sonny because Chandler was obviously so uncomfortable in the beginning with love scenes. While that worked at first with Will's coming out, it was excruciating once Will was supposed to be out and in love with Sonny openly. I know people disliked the guy who replaced Chandler, but I thought he at least seemed comfortable with Sonny. While I didn't like the adultery storyline, I did appreciate the show actually writing for Will in a way that gave him agency and not an excuse to give Sami wacky hijinks or an excuse for Hurricane Sami.

While I won't speak on the misogyny, Will was not killed because he was gay. He was killed because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time and realized Ben was the Necktie Killer. Ben also beat Chad's ass twice during that storyline, tied Chad to a bed, and attempted to set him on fire. He also attempted to frame Chad for the murders. Women and a gay man were not Ben's only targets.

I don't think the show did anything interesting with Will as a character, and I find him much more interesting dead than alive. 

[brisbydog]

13 hours ago, Rodney said:

Vincent Belman.  The Australian actor who played him was supposed to come back and reprise the role, but was stuck in Australia due to COVID.  So they killed him offscreen via suicide in prison instead.  But he was supposed to have a bigger role in Ben and Ciara's story before that happened.

Dang I wondered about that. I loved Vincent

[BuckeyeLou]

EJ & Belle(Dan&Martha) have such chemistry, it is fun to watch their scenes.  But, their storyline is making me cringe...Belle knows what EJ is up to & she is going to get hurt but she doesnt seem to care. Same with EJ, he says he 'cares" for Belle but we know what he is up to.  Oh Good Grief! Kristin has another vial of 'magic liquid"!

[Rodney]

Kate likes The Traitors?  Taste in TV shows confirmed, then!

56 minutes ago, BuckeyeLou said:

EJ & Belle(Dan&Martha) have such chemistry, it is fun to watch their scenes.  But, their storyline is making me cringe...Belle knows what EJ is up to & she is going to get hurt but she doesnt seem to care. Same with EJ, he says he 'cares" for Belle but we know what he is up to.

Like I said before, if Belle continues to sleep with him even after the Rafe/Arnold switch comes out, then she is going to look very, very, very bad.  To the other characters and to the viewers.

[CanaryFan98]

19 hours ago, tribeca said:

Serena was killed running scared in the woods alone.  Thank goodness they did not show that   

I liked Serena probably an unpopular opinion, but she was yet another casualty in the Ericole pairing. That elephant story did her no favors her secret should've been she had Eric's child and kept it from him.

The only memorable thing she did was introduce us to Xander. I admit I wonder how her and Sarah would've reacted to each other.

18 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

I hate Will, so Ben killing him was the best thing Ben did to me.

I still hate the show resurrected Will.

Serena and Paige...Ben was doing the Lord's work. What boring characters.

I didn't mind Serena but the rest I agreed with. In retrospect Will might has well have stayed dead because it's not like he's done much since he was resurrected of course like you I don't care for the character either.

[Soapy Goddess]

9 hours ago, Rodney said:

Kate likes The Traitors? 

Shameless plug for Peacock. But of all the reality competitions, Alan Cumming really makes this show interesting, and we get to see Scotland as a bonus!