Current Plots Discussion II: Discussing Today's Episode and Current Storylines

[CanaryFan98]

22 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

I'm talking about after Eric returned the child.  EJ DID have a DNA test run to double check that Sloan wasn't lying to him.  THAT is what Stephan found in the DiMeara safe - the actual DNA results saying that Jude was Eric's.

Ok that makes a lot more sense now I forgot about that

18 minutes ago, Rodney said:

Today was okay.  Looks like Chad, for the most part, gave his forgiveness to Cat.  I guess seeing that she was telling the truth about her mother really altered his thinking of her.  Though the big surprise was Cat saying that she ran into Jack and Jennifer and the latter didn't slap her or scream at her again.

J.J. and Gabi are being set up for another round?  I wouldn't be against it, though I do wonder if Casey's on contract now?

Oh, of course Sophia shows up again to say that she's pregnant.  Of course.  But is it Tate's?

Is Sophia actually pregnant? I could see her faking it.

I believe Casey is recurring but he's still filming. I think JJ/Gabi are fine for a short term thing. I expect Stefan to return at some point.

17 hours ago, boes said:

Second favorite part of the Show for me today was gloriously chuckling, self-satisfied EJ, playing district attorney as if he was in a high end stakes game of Risk.  There's something about Dan leaning in to EJ's joy about being an evil prick that just makes me smile.

Total Favorite part of the Show today, though, was Belle, just as joyously, pricking EJ's vengence balloon and taking all the air out of it.  Both of them had a bounce in their step I haven't seen for quite some time.

So how exactly does a time capsule, buried in a grave, exactly work?  Anyone digging it up in the future is going to look like a grave robber.  Not that that's exactly unbelievable in Salem.

Also, why would a Horton time capsule now be devoted solely to the memory of Abigail?  Or does her annoying personality cancel everyone else out even after death?

I was hoping somebody would have remembered to throw her virginity ring in there with the rest of the stuff.

 

I thought the Abby stuff was in addition to the rest of the Horton items? I might've been hearing something else.

[DisneyBoy]

16 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I believe Casey is recurring but he's still filming. I think JJ/Gabi are fine for a short term thing. I expect Stefan to return at some point.

I don't mind if it's short-term as long as it's a good relationship that doesn't demonize her. She needs to be normal for a while.

If this is purely to stall before Stefan comes back then JJ is just getting the Lucas treatment. 

Hopefully the new regime changes Ron's plans and leaves Stefan out of the series going forward. He brings nothing.

[Artsda]

Bennifer? Lol yes great example to look at now. 

 

[SouthernChick]

Was glad to see Chad forgive Cat. 

[CanaryFan98]

22 hours ago, Artsda said:

Bennifer? Lol yes great example to look at now. 

 

Was probably filmed before they split but I agree.

[Rodney]

21 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Was probably filmed before they split but I agree.

They split again?  Never heard anything about that.

[oceanblue]

Yeah they split after about 5 minutes

[SouthernChick]

I liked Brady and Ava’s “date”. They have a cute chemistry.

[DisneyBoy]

I'm catching up today and I have to ask: how many freaking funerals must Abigail have? Dear Lord.

Why would the time capsule be buried at her gravesite when they're still waiting to find out when where her body is? Aren't they just going to have to dig the grave up again once they find it?

This is the most nonsensical, falsely sentimental empty gesture they could have shoehorned in.

They could have just kept the box on a shelf in the Horton living room and then figured out where to put it. Besides, putting something in a grave probably means it's never going to be seen again by anyone.

Did they take out all of the stuff that was in there previously? Or are they burying all of those treasures from Grandma Alice along with this stuff as well?

Plus there's still the issue of the necklace that was stolen, right? So...are they putting that in the box again if they can?

Wouldn't they have buried some private items, like letters or pictures, with Abigail the first time she was put to rest?

I just can't make sense of this.

And then - did you guys see this? - Chad just put the box on top of the tombstone without digging! Like, it wasn't even in the ground or anything! Are the squirrels going to nibble at it and eat the treats inside now?

I'd laugh but it's just so hokey.

This show is obsessed with Abigail. And I swear if these are anvils because they plan on recasting her yet again and bringing her back for the umpteenth time, I would really like them to reconsider because nobody gives a shit at this point. For real.

Abigail brought nothing to the show but needless drama about who gets to bang her and I'm sorry to say that... but it's the truth. She was never some great, brilliant journalist or some wonderful member of society and she dragged Chad down as a character.

The sooner the show admits that and moves on, the better.

Plus, I find it really tacky that in the aftermath of Doug's death, they're somehow turning the family's grief back into grief for Abigail. Like, can we just focus on the fact that Doug is dead? For Real dead? Never going to come back to the show dead?

Enough's enough!

[DaphneCat]

15 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

She was never some great, brilliant journalist or some wonderful member of society and she dragged Chad down as a character.

I want to like this post 1,000 times.  All this total garbage about how she was such a wonderful person, and EVERYONE just loved her is just that - TOTAL GARBAGE.  It was pretty funny when Cat was pretending to be her and everyone kept telling her about Abigail having sex with pretty much every male DiMeara except Stefano.  Let's not forget about cheating on Ben and basically stalking EJ while pretending to be Sami's friend - yet somehow she ended up being the victim in all that.

 

15 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Plus, I find it really tacky that in the aftermath of Doug's death, they're somehow turning the family's grief back into grief for Abigail. Like, can we just focus on the fact that Doug is dead? For Real dead? Never going to come back to the show dead?

Other than a few mentions in passing it seems like Doug has been completely forgotten.  Terrible treatment of someone who actually DID become a well loved and admirable character.   Probably one of the reasons Hope had to leave so soon - she really couldn't even PRETEND to care that Abigail's body is missing.

 

 

[CanaryFan98]

Did anyone come here earlier in the day and noticed how wonky this forum was? 

I see it's back to normal now.

I do wish the show would make a decision where they stand with Abigail either move on from her or recast the character.  It makes you wonder why they killed off the character in the first place if they didn't know whether they wanted to move on from her or not. 

As for Brady/Ava I do think the actors have decent chemistry however like Kristen Ava is a sociopath(but way more watchable in comparison). They could've just brought TB back as Taylor again and pair her with Brady. Why is it so hard to pair Brady with a sane woman?

 

Edited December 21, 2024 by CanaryFan98

[sas616]

On 12/21/2024 at 2:15 AM, DisneyBoy said:

This show is obsessed with Abigail. And I swear if these are anvils because they plan on recasting her yet again and bringing her back for the umpteenth time, I would really like them to reconsider because nobody gives a shit at this point.

Except at this point, I'd prefer Chad to be with Abigail than with Kat, because it looks like the anvils are falling in that direction for sure.   I'm no fan of Abigail, but I'd take her over scrunched-up face Kat.

[nilyank]

14 hours ago, sas616 said:

Except at this point, I'd prefer Chad to be with Abigail than with Kat, because it looks like the anvils are falling in that direction for sure.   I'm no fan of Abigail, but I'd take her over scrunched-up face Kat.

I would just get rid of Chad so there would be zero chance that Abigail comes back from the dead again.

[Rodney]

Surprise on Friday?  Hearing from Brady that Chez Rouge still exists, even though we haven't seen Maggie there in over a decade now.

[DaphneCat]

Brady REALLY doesn't have the Salem brain today.  He should have told Kristen that he owes a really big thanks to whoever sabotaged his date because neither one of them enjoyed it when they tried to stream it.  If they had actually made it to the performance, it would have been a completely boring disaster of a date.  Luckily, it was saved by them being able to turn it off.

[CanaryFan98]

21 hours ago, nilyank said:

I would just get rid of Chad so there would be zero chance that Abigail comes back from the dead again.

I think they would bring Abigail back anyways because she's a Horton female and would be able to exist without him because of it.

However they should've given Chad/Abby a HEA back when Marcie left because they clearly don't want to write for Chad without Abby. 

[SouthernChick]

I don’t get why Jada was being a bitch to Rafe, just because he got to Hattie first. It’s not like the police can’t question her.

[ASpring1900]

Spoiler

Fake Rafe

is back! I loved this storyline, so I am in. 

Merry Christmas, everyone!

[DaphneCat]

16 hours ago, SouthernChick said:

I don’t get why Jada was being a bitch to Rafe, just because he got to Hattie first. It’s not like the police can’t question her.

Suddenly they're trying to change the narrative that Rafe has a problem reporting to women.  He doesn't.  His problem is that he was injured on the job and DEMOTED simply because Paulina  wanted the optics of the first Black female commissioner.  If this had come after he screwed up on a case it could have been acceptable.  As it is, it just looks bad.

[Rodney]

So Rafe 2/Arnold Feniger actually survived his attack in police lockup all those years ago, and was shuttled off to Argentina, living off the DiMera money?  Interesting.  So that lockup fight that "killed" him was staged by Stefano and E.J.  Or at least rewritten to fit that narrative.  I can believe it.

I hope that this isn't leading to yet another doppelganger switch story.

I'm sorry that Nicole's not here for this storyline, considering that her mother, Fay, died at his hands thirteen years ago.

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

So Rafe 2/Arnold Feniger actually survived his attack in police lockup all those years ago, and was shuttled off to Argentina, living off the DiMera money?  Interesting.  So that lockup fight that "killed" him was staged by Stefano and E.J.  Or at least rewritten to fit that narrative.  I can believe it.

I hope that this isn't leading to yet another doppelganger switch story.

I'm sorry that Nicole's not here for this storyline, considering that her mother, Fay, died at his hands thirteen years ago.

Yeah that would've been good. I also hate that Faye was killed off she would've been a better match for Abe than Paulina has been.

There's Holly but it won't be the same.

[Rodney]

21 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

Yeah that would've been good. I also hate that Faye was killed off she would've been a better match for Abe than Paulina has been.

There's Holly but it won't be the same.

Holly wasn't even born when that happened.

[oceanblue]

can someone tell me about Fake Rafe?  I was taking a break

[brisbydog]

33 minutes ago, oceanblue said:

can someone tell me about Fake Rafe?  I was taking a break

EJ substituted him for real Rafe and was happy knowing Sami was essentially being raped. It was all about the kids preferring Rafe to him. Then he was murdered in jail by inmates with a grudge against the real one. Retconned today.

[DisneyBoy]

Did Arnold enjoy being Fake Rafe and raping Sami? Was he mean to her kids? How was he found out?

...was he even Latino to begin with or did he race swap too?

 

Today's episode was so boring. So much for a nice Xmas Eve plot.

 

[nilyank]

2 hours ago, brisbydog said:

EJ substituted him for real Rafe and was happy knowing Sami was essentially being raped. It was all about the kids preferring Rafe to him. Then he was murdered in jail by inmates with a grudge against the real one. Retconned today.

Rafe got into a car accident on his way from the hospital when Johnny had eye cancer and got an artificial eye.

Stefano replaced Rafe with a fake Rafe who he paid to get surgery to look like Rafe. EJ did not find out what his father did until he found Rafe locked up in a dungeon.

At that point, EJ ordered FakeRafe to act like a bigger jackass than the real Rafe so that Sami would dump him and end Rafe being near the kids. Allie was afraid of Fake Rafe and she was sent overseas to Lucas. The show then had EJ being totally fine with Fake Rafe sleeping with Sami without being jealous or angry about it. Which we knew he wasn't totally fine with that when it was Rafe that was involved with Sami.

[boes]

On 12/24/2024 at 12:47 PM, DaphneCat said:

Suddenly they're trying to change the narrative that Rafe has a problem reporting to women.  He doesn't.  His problem is that he was injured on the job and DEMOTED simply because Paulina  wanted the optics of the first Black female commissioner.  If this had come after he screwed up on a case it could have been acceptable.  As it is, it just looks bad.

Thanks for pointing that out so well.  It pissed me off when Paulina dismissed Rafe that way almost as much as how she dismissed him from his position after he got injured ON the job.  I wish Jada had pushed back on Paulina more than she did.

Somebody needs to slip some superglue in her lip gloss.

Edited December 25, 2024 by boes

[brisbydog]

I thought today was lovely. Great use of history with Xander giving Sarah the red shoes. Sweet moment with Shawn and Maggie. He's kind of the forgotten Victor grandchild. And the Horton house scenes were perfect, especially seeing a real Victoria and Jack and Xander making amends. The final scene with a classic Julie and Doug flashback was really good, as was Clan Deveraux putting Doug 3 on notice. Only buzz kill was the boring pub stuff with dull Tate and Holly.

[4evaQuez]

Maggie and Shawn were a pleasant surprise.

Oh Doug you'll fit right in the Horton clan as a potential serial killer. They already have one serial killer (Ben), a rapist (Jack), and a violent thug (Xander), one more criminal to pass the orange juice at the breakfast table won't make a bit of difference.

Were Jack and Xander making up supposed to be our Christmas miracle? Did the show ever acknowledge Xander's role in keeping a presumed dead Jack away from his family for years, or are we supposed to pretend that taking the paper is the most atrocious thing Xander has ever done to Jack?

Speaking of, does Holly know that Xander kidnapped her and faked her death as a child while he held her mother hostage and Kristen stole Nicole's identity? That Xander is such boys will be boys rascal.

How cute of Xander to buy Sarah red shoes in honor of Mickey and Maggie Horton's love story. I wonder how Mickey's spirit feels about Xander's role in covering up his namesake's death, switching her with Rachel, and Maggie's guilt of thinking she played a role in the car wreck that killed Adrienne, driving her to contemplate and attempt suicide. At least Xander bought some ugly red shoes.

Anyway, I like the idea of Shawn and JJ being partners. 

I was happy the show told us how Shawn and Doug III were related. I was about to start doing the family history, and the show saved me about 82 minutes of my life.

I didn't realize Parker had a Horton ornament, and I thought it was strange how the show lingered on his and Daniel's ornament first. I wonder if that's a foreshadowing of a potential arrival of the character. It would give Joy someone to interact with.

Speaking of, I hope the show gives Holly and Joy some scenes together. Chloe is Holly's surrogate mom and was her legal mother several times. I think a surrogate aunt/niece relationship could be beneficial for both.

I wish Julie slapped Xander.

Edited December 25, 2024 by 4evaQuez

[DisneyBoy]

1 hour ago, 4evaQuez said:

Speaking of, does Holly know that Xander kidnapped her and faked her death as a child while he held her mother hostage and Kristen stole Nicole's identity? That Xander is such boys will be boys rascal.

She never even looked up her father's death online. I question sometimes how much Holly is aware of anything.

I don't care about the Jack Xander friendship at all. If it involves Gwen, can you blame me?

1 hour ago, 4evaQuez said:

At least Xander bought some ugly red shoes.

Can they stop trotting out homages to this classic story? I'm not protective over it, but still, it's so lazy. They did it with Victor and Maggie a few years ago too. Be original.

[Rodney]

39 minutes ago, DisneyBoy said:

Can they stop trotting out homages to this classic story? I'm not protective over it, but still, it's so lazy. They did it with Victor and Maggie a few years ago too. Be original.

And why did they have to use Xander for this one?  I do like him, but he's far from fitting to use for that homage.

[norcalgal]

7 hours ago, brisbydog said:

I thought today was lovely. Great use of history with Xander giving Sarah the red shoes. Sweet moment with Shawn and Maggie. He's kind of the forgotten Victor grandchild. And the Horton house scenes were perfect, especially seeing a real Victoria and Jack and Xander making amends. The final scene with a classic Julie and Doug flashback was really good, as was Clan Deveraux putting Doug 3 on notice. Only buzz kill was the boring pub stuff with dull Tate and Holly.

Only thing I disagree with is Jack/Xander (see below).  
I LOVE, LOVE the Horton ornament tradition but HATE that certain people have an ornament when they really shouldn’t.

IF, if, if Daniel had been Mickey’s stepson when Mickey and Maggie were married, then I could stomach Dan the Tan Man and his spawn being “Horton”.  But Mickey never met the guy and I will never, ever feel that their connection to Maggie entitles them to “Horton-hood”. 
I hope Show doesn’t follow through and have Julie make Doug III a Horton ornament next year.
And did I miss it, or were Nathan and Melissa’s ornaments missing? And Bill too…?

4 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I don't care about the Jack Xander friendship at all. If it involves Gwen, can you blame me?

This times a bajillion!  Yes, Xander and Jack did have a great bromance once, but him throwing that away when he KNEW Gwen was screwing over Jack’s family killed the friendship (as far as I’m concerned) forever. Wish the show didn’t have them hug/reconcile in today’s episode just because it’s Christmas so scenes have to be sweet and sappy- unearned at that. 

[brisbydog]

5 hours ago, 4evaQuez said:

Maggie and Shawn were a pleasant surprise.

Oh Doug you'll fit right in the Horton clan as a potential serial killer. They already have one serial killer (Ben), a rapist (Jack), and a violent thug (Xander), one more criminal to pass the orange juice at the breakfast table won't make a bit of difference.

Were Jack and Xander making up supposed to be our Christmas miracle? Did the show ever acknowledge Xander's role in keeping a presumed dead Jack away from his family for years, or are we supposed to pretend that taking the paper is the most atrocious thing Xander has ever done to Jack?

Speaking of, does Holly know that Xander kidnapped her and faked her death as a child while he held her mother hostage and Kristen stole Nicole's identity? That Xander is such boys will be boys rascal.

How cute of Xander to buy Sarah red shoes in honor of Mickey and Maggie Horton's love story. I wonder how Mickey's spirit feels about Xander's role in covering up his namesake's death, switching her with Rachel, and Maggie's guilt of thinking she played a role in the car wreck that killed Adrienne, driving her to contemplate and attempt suicide. At least Xander bought some ugly red shoes.

Anyway, I like the idea of Shawn and JJ being partners. 

I was happy the show told us how Shawn and Doug III were related. I was about to start doing the family history, and the show saved me about 82 minutes of my life.

I didn't realize Parker had a Horton ornament, and I thought it was strange how the show lingered on his and Daniel's ornament first. I wonder if that's a foreshadowing of a potential arrival of the character. It would give Joy someone to interact with.

Speaking of, I hope the show gives Holly and Joy some scenes together. Chloe is Holly's surrogate mom and was her legal mother several times. I think a surrogate aunt/niece relationship could be beneficial for both.

I wish Julie slapped Xander.

You are filled with holiday joy I see.

Xander found out Jack was alive in October 2018 and he was revealed to be alive December 31. Jack thanked him for physically saving his life by getting him out of the warehouse fire.

As for Holly. She just forgave Eric for literally killing her father. Xander helping fake her death so Nicole could be reunited with her probably doesn't rate as so bad.

Xander saved Maggie’s life. Mickey would be grateful. And would acknowledge that Victor and Xander orchestrated the whole baby swap to protect Maggie, however misguided.

Julie has no reason to slap Xander. He's never hurt her. And he is always grateful to be included in the Horton Christmas gathering. Third year running! Doug believed in second chances and forgiveness. It's a good policy. Especially on Christmas Day.

 

4 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

 

I don't care about the Jack Xander friendship at all. If it involves Gwen, can you blame me?

Initially it didn't. Xander wanted advice on winning Sarah back post baby swap, and Jack decided to mentor him, citing Xander saving his life and recognizing how hard it is to be the Salem town pariah as he once was. I also choose to pretend Gwen never existed.

4 hours ago, Rodney said:

And why did they have to use Xander for this one?  I do like him, but he's far from fitting to use for that homage.

Um...because his wife, Maggie's daughter, just went through an identical trauma and is back on her feet? Who else would do it for Sarah but him?

And Maggie loves Xander and was deeply touched by it.

 

[brisbydog]

12 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

 

This times a bajillion!  Yes, Xander and Jack did have a great bromance once, but him throwing that away when he KNEW Gwen was screwing over Jack’s family killed the friendship (as far as I’m concerned) forever. Wish the show didn’t have them hug/reconcile in today’s episode just because it’s Christmas so scenes have to be sweet and sappy- unearned at that. 

Jack essentially forgave him back in July when Xander handed him the paper back with no strings to right that wrong. He was right back to being warm with him immediately after. Jack of all people understands doing stupid things out of self hatred and anger. He once brought a Duke lookalike to Jo's birthday to embarrass Steve, and ended up traumatizing Adrienne as a result.

Edited December 25, 2024 by brisbydog

[Rodney]

56 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

This times a bajillion!  Yes, Xander and Jack did have a great bromance once, but him throwing that away when he KNEW Gwen was screwing over Jack’s family killed the friendship (as far as I’m concerned) forever. Wish the show didn’t have them hug/reconcile in today’s episode just because it’s Christmas so scenes have to be sweet and sappy- unearned at that. 

I am a harsh opponent to their friendship, but that's not why it broke up before.  Their friendship started well before Gwen arrived in Salem, and was fine by that point, because Jack had reconciled with Gwen over that.  It was Xander's disgust at Jack disowning Gwen over not coming forward with her knowledge of Xander being behind Susan and Bonnie's kidnapping that busted things up between them, though blackmailing the Spectator away from him and Jennifer certainly didn't help, either.

[KBrownie]

3 hours ago, norcalgal said:

8 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

 

This times a bajillion!  Yes, Xander and Jack did have a great bromance once, but him throwing that away when he KNEW Gwen was screwing over Jack’s family killed the friendship (as far as I’m concerned) forever. Wish the show didn’t have them hug/reconcile in today’s episode just because it’s Christmas so scenes have to be sweet and sappy- unearned at that. 

I agree with this. The Jack/Xander friendship was different and interesting at the beginning, but it’s a stretch for me at this point.  The “oh well, Jack used to do bad things too,” which seems to be the main reasoning for them being friends, only goes so far for me.

It’s wonderful if you’re a fan of Xander and his characterization, but there’s nothing in it for Jack. It’s always about something regarding Xander and his feelings. It also doesn’t help that Xander comes off as indifferent at best to anyone important to Jack other than the nasty retcon. It’s too one-sided for my taste.  It always was. 

Edited December 26, 2024 by KBrownie
*as* indifferent, not is indifferent

[oceanblue]

This show rewrites history over and over.   I agree that in real life I would not be friends with most of these people.   But this is not real life and if the story is interesting and the acting is good I just go with it.   

[SouthernChick]

I hate that this show shows favoritism to Victor over Mickey when it comes to Maggie’s love life. 

[DaphneCat]

3 minutes ago, SouthernChick said:

I hate that this show shows favoritism to Victor over Mickey when it comes to Maggie’s love life. 

This is why I pretty much hate the concept of "Love of (whoever's) Life" which the show loves to throw at us ad nauseum.  It is entirely possible to have two different relationships with two different people that were BOTH valid in their own way.  Does Maggie marrying Victor mean that somehow her relationship with Mickey was inferior?   Does it mean she basically "settled" for Victor but her heart would always belong to Mickey?  I don't think it means either of those things.  She had two relationships with two different people.  They were both loving in their own way.  One really wasn't more "valid" than the other.

[SouthernChick]

22 minutes ago, DaphneCat said:

This is why I pretty much hate the concept of "Love of (whoever's) Life" which the show loves to throw at us ad nauseum.  It is entirely possible to have two different relationships with two different people that were BOTH valid in their own way.  Does Maggie marrying Victor mean that somehow her relationship with Mickey was inferior?   Does it mean she basically "settled" for Victor but her heart would always belong to Mickey?  I don't think it means either of those things.  She had two relationships with two different people.  They were both loving in their own way.  One really wasn't more "valid" than the other.

If the show acted like what you described, I wouldn’t have an issue with it. But it elevates Victor in comparison to Mickey. We get Shawn bringing over a gift of Maggie and Victor. Maggie tearfully wishes Victor’s portrait a Merry Christmas. Maggie caresses Victor’s ornament on the tree while ignoring Mickey’s. It’s a subtle nod to Victor that this show continuously pushes.

[DisneyBoy]

10 hours ago, KBrownie said:

The “oh well, Jack used to do bad things too,” which seems to be the main reasoning for them being friends, only goes so far for me.

Yay! I'm not the only one.

2 hours ago, SouthernChick said:

I hate that this show shows favoritism to Victor over Mickey when it comes to Maggie’s love life. 

Me too...and I barely remember Mickey. Victor, loveable as he was, was not a good person. He was a criminal and very dangerous. Did lots of bad stuff. Mickey, it seems, was a great person who helped many people in Salem with his legal practice, and who was the main husband in Maggie's life for the longest stretch. Please honor that, Show!

11 hours ago, norcalgal said:

And did I miss it, or were Nathan and Melissa’s ornaments missing? And Bill too…?

Hmmm, I didn't see a Melissa either. Who are the other two?

2 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

It is entirely possible to have two different relationships with two different people that were BOTH valid in their own way.  Does Maggie marrying Victor mean that somehow her relationship with Mickey was inferior?   Does it mean she basically "settled" for Victor but her heart would always belong to Mickey?  I don't think it means either of those things.  She had two relationships with two different people.  They were both loving in their own way.  One really wasn't more "valid" than the other.

True.

11 hours ago, norcalgal said:

I LOVE, LOVE the Horton ornament tradition but HATE that certain people have an ornament when they really shouldn’t.

Ben having an ornament makes me want to puke.

And are his invisible kids seriously called Addie 2 and Bo 2 ?? Did you guys see that !?

 

So I liked today well enough, though that was the saddest 18th birthday ever. No parents, no relatives, no friends - just a lying boyfriend. Ouch.

I actually liked the shoes bit, in execution.

Paul T looked so happy throughout the episode, and that made me happy too.

Okay, not going to lie...realizing Julie would have to hang Doug's ornament alone this year made me cry. And seeing the empty chair in the corner where he would usually sit made me cry.

 

Great flashback with Doug and Julie. Was that really their first Xmas, for those who remember?

Having Judgy Jennifer back, even for one episode, made me never want to see her again. I'm sorry but Holier Than Thou Jen/Missy pisses me off. Took me right back to the Abigail days.

Okay episode though. 

[brisbydog]

6 hours ago, SouthernChick said:

I hate that this show shows favoritism to Victor over Mickey when it comes to Maggie’s love life. 

I am glad that Mickey got mentioned yesterday and Sarah talked about the love Maggie had for her dad. Then Xander mentioned the love she had for his dad lol. But I think that was good. She loved them both but differently. And Victor's death is still fresh so that's why it hurts more.

I still consider Isabella the love of John's life but I accept that he and Marlena were an epic love story too.

[norcalgal]

6 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

Me too...and I barely remember Mickey. Victor, loveable as he was, was not a good person. He was a criminal and very dangerous. Did lots of bad stuff. Mickey, it seems, was a great person who helped many people in Salem with his legal practice, and who was the main husband in Maggie's life for the longest stretch. Please honor that, Show!

Aaaaalll of this!

Hmmm, I didn't see a Melissa either. Who are the other two?

Bill Horton = Jennifer and Mike’s dad (Lucas too now)

Nathan = can’t recall his parents, but he was a doctor and had a relationship with Stephanie in that whole convoluted Melanie/Chloe/WTD story (Daniel or Philip) with Parker

So I liked today well enough, though that was the saddest 18th birthday ever. No parents, no relatives, no friends - just a lying boyfriend. Ouch.

yeah, really sad and pathetic 

 

2 hours ago, brisbydog said:

I am glad that Mickey got mentioned yesterday and Sarah talked about the love Maggie had for her dad. Then Xander mentioned the love she had for his dad lol. 

OMG - the fact that Maggie was married to both of their dads just occurred to me reading this.  Hooooboy, soaps, eh?

[brisbydog]

3 hours ago, norcalgal said:

 

OMG - the fact that Maggie was married to both of their dads just occurred to me reading this.  Hooooboy, soaps, eh?

Thanks to them, Maggie and Victor share a grandchild despite marrying in their senior years 

[Giuseppe]

The writing/dialogue were weird to me in today's episode. It all felt very disjointed and stilted.

Anyway, I was surprised to hear the mention of Tamara today. She’s basically been forgotten ever since the reveal that Paulina was Lani’s real mom. Funny, because at the beginning of the ep when Lani and Eli came out, I thought to myself poor Tamara just gets no love anymore from the daughter she raised. I was thinking I’d love for them to bring her back on for a bit with a grudge about never hearing from or getting to see Lani and the kids, and developing a bit of a feud with Paulina over Lani. Also, totally don’t remember the twins being born on Christmas Day.

BTW, if Lani and Eli were in town, why didn’t they go to the Horton ornament hanging? Scheduling conflict for the actors, I'm sure, but seems weird there wasn't some kind of excuse mentioned for their absence yesterday.

Is there some running gag about Roman not getting to play Santa that I’m forgetting? They mentioned last time he was supposed to do it, Steve stole the costume, but I don't remember that. And now he gets an allergic reaction from the suit and has to back out. Abe was a good fill-in Santa, though. The chuckling worked well for him here!

So they really are turning Rachel into a little psychopath aren’t they? The pet snake thing was so random unless they're feeding into that idea. What kid her age has a pet snake?? And wanting to hide its sheddings in Harold's bed? Gleefully asking for dead rats to feed it? And now we find out she’s behind the texts to Ava? Do not let this child near the cutlery.

 

[DisneyBoy]

Yeah, Rachel is getting creepy.

LOVED Marlena pointing out Brady's habit of dating "troubled, dangerous women" - that took waaaay too long. Say it again, Doc!

(Who the heck were the two people in that black and white locket photo, because they really did not look like Brady and Belle - more like John and Marlena)

Is Tamara the singer who Lani thought was her mother initially? I hate the Paulina Mommy retcon. It was super confusing then and now.

Lani visiting her lover Kristen is so unhinged but a good acknowledgment of their history.

So...what a meta moment, showing Abe getting books about Another World, The Young and The Restless, Days Of Our Lives, etc. Super weird.

...who wrote Eight Years In Another World anyway? It's a memoir but I don't know whose...

Edited December 27, 2024 by DisneyBoy

[methodwriter85]

21 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

So I liked today well enough, though that was the saddest 18th birthday ever. No parents, no relatives, no friends - just a lying boyfriend. Ouch.

I THINK they were trying to go for a  Sixteen Candles type deal but you're kind of right. If this show had a budget again I would assume that there would have been a Salem High storyline where it turns out that Holly is pretty much ostracized because Sophia went on a war path and made friends choose her side. You know it's kind of annoying that the show went to the lengths of actually rebuilding a Salem High set but then only used it a few times. These kids are about to graduate anyway!

Although maybe Parker will show up eventually.

[JBC344]

Well Parker should be early twenties, so no need of a HS set for him. 

I must admit the Sami/Carrie rival phone call did make me chuckle. Although hearing Noah "play with his toy" made him sound like a toddler.  Noah's a teen at this point. 

I too was surprised they mentioned Tamara, especially from Paulina's pov, but finally glad they acknowledged the tension that they would obviously have. They should bring her back, there is a good amount of story to mine w/ her character.  

Always love the Lani/Kristen friendship,  although the scene could of been a bit longer. 

I'm already over the Rachel as the texter storyline.  This is what the 3rd iteration of this plot. First w/ Chloe, now she is obsessed w/ her parents being together again. The character just comes off incredibly bratty and not endearing at all. I actually liked when Rachel didn't want them together, and found them to be toxic for one another.  

[brisbydog]

Pretty sure Leo kept the necklace and gave Doug3 his own money. I hope he plans to get it back to Julie

EJ has no self awareness at all. 

Way too much Rafe. Why can't Xander have a doppelganger?

[Rodney]

2 hours ago, brisbydog said:

Way too much Rafe. Why can't Xander have a doppelganger?

No.  I've had enough of Xander being thrust into stories (and the excessive slobbering over him).

Edited December 27, 2024 by Rodney