Secrets Of Playboy - General Discussion

[Gharlane]

47 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Well this makes more sense since the format changed for the last episodes  .. they were never part of the "original" order of episodes ... they added two episodes after the fact

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/secrets-of-playboy-hugh-hefner-1235197604/

Someone mentioned it earlier this month. The inclusion of the Hollywood sex therapist in both of them undermines this show.

[princelina]

4 hours ago, CopyHawk said:

I recently wrote an article about the Secrets of Playboy and the disturbing revelations in it. The show and its allegations really bother me! https://medium.com/@copyhawk/the-disturbing-secrets-of-playboy-484dbe758445

Great article!  Thanks for sharing.

[RealHousewife]

12 hours ago, MCMLXXVII said:

Yes, some of it. They appear to have used Playboy-era photos in that article, they were “big but proportional” in the 2019 video.

I was a little surprised at their size on this show.

Me too. I hadn't seen them in years, and on GND, they looked like they had the tall, naturally skinny type of body. As someone who has that kind of body, yes we can gain weight too, but we typically don't gain a lot of weight when still fairly young and childfree. Not shaming or anything. It's just so sad it sounds like it's the result of depression/maybe antidepressants? 

After all these crazy stories, my guess is there are probably lots of other women out there who were traumatized by Hef/Playboy. :(

[MCMLXXVII]

1 hour ago, Gharlane said:

Someone mentioned it earlier this month. The inclusion of the Hollywood sex therapist in both of them undermines this show.

Has the therapist been on other reality TV? I’m getting a “Couples Therapy” vibe from her, she seems familiar..

[1011101010001]

13 minutes ago, MCMLXXVII said:

Has the therapist been on other reality TV? I’m getting a “Couples Therapy” vibe from her, she seems familiar..

She looked like she had a lot of plastic surgery, which you would think a therapist would know is unhealthy.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Me too. I hadn't seen them in years, and on GND, they looked like they had the tall, naturally skinny type of body. As someone who has that kind of body, yes we can gain weight too, but we typically don't gain a lot of weight when still fairly young and childfree. Not shaming or anything. It's just so sad it sounds like it's the result of depression/maybe antidepressants? 

After all these crazy stories, my guess is there are probably lots of other women out there who were traumatized by Hef/Playboy. :(

Weight gain is often a response to sexual abuse. It can be seen as a protective tool to keep victims  safe from abusers.  And, as you mentioned, a way of coping with depression and anxiety. 
 

https://othfit.com/the-connection-between-sexual-abuse-and-weight-gain/

 

Edited March 30, 2022 by Cinnabon

[RealHousewife]

17 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Weight gain is often a response to sexual abuse. It can be seen as a protective tool to keep victims  safe from abusers.  And, as you mentioned, a way of coping with depression and anxiety. 
 

https://othfit.com/the-connection-between-sexual-abuse-and-weight-gain/

 

I wondered that. I dealt with it by being unhealthily skinny when I was younger. I thought if my body were less curvy, I'd be safer. But I've heard it can go the other way too. :(

[emma675]

I didn't watch GND when the twins were on, so I don't know any of their background, but they were...odd. Not that I don't believe their stories, because I do, but there was something really off about them. But I'm always a little weirded out by grown adults who dress the same, have the same hairstyle, the same makeup, live together, and haven't really created their own separate identities. It feels very stunted and kind of like a crutch. 

I know this was one of the two "add on" episodes, but the format bugged me. The interviewer, the celebrity therapist, and the weirdly bare set. It was kind of jarring to switch to this format after the last 10 episodes. And I thought it was very odd not to mention anything about the years between the twins leaving the mansion until now. Like was said above, they did a porn film, but what else has happened since then? We heard so much about the lives of the other women, why did they leave out the twins' history?

This is kind of a letdown after the rest of the season. 

[1011101010001]

4 minutes ago, emma675 said:

Like was said above, they did a porn film, but what else has happened since then?

Seems odd that they are too fragile to date yet can make porn.

[Sweet-tea]

23 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Hef took a lot of viagra! 

Yes! He gave some interviews saying it was a miracle drug.

I just watched the one about Dorothy Stratten and Susie. It was hard to watch. I had no idea Hef raped Dorothy. I wonder if his family is going to sue over this series. It pretty much destroys his harmless perpetual playboy, lover-of-women reputation. 

Unpopular view, but I don't think Dorothy Stratten was the most beautiful Playmate as they were saying. I wonder if she's been elevated due to the tragic way she died. She was certainly lovely, but I think others like Pamela Anderson (first cover, before her makeover) were equally lovely if not prettier. Barbi Benton was adorable! Mikki was also just beautiful! Agree about Liz Taylor. I think it's the hair, brows and make-up. 

Susie still looks pretty skinny, especially her legs. I wonder if she's still struggling with the eating disorder. 

[Atlanta]

I wonder why Crystal married him. I don't get what either of them got out of it. He wasn't wealthy at that point if money was a factor, right? If he didn't want to die alone, he still had that creepy doctor.

[1011101010001]

52 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

I wonder if his family is going to sue over this series. It pretty much destroys his harmless perpetual playboy, lover-of-women reputation. 

I think once someone is dead there is no defamation as a matter of law.

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, MrBuhBye said:

Seems odd that they are too fragile to date yet can make porn.

I don't know how anyone can have sex on camera for the world to see. I feel so sad for all those women, because they can't be mentally healthy, can they? 

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

I just watched the one about Dorothy Stratten and Susie. It was hard to watch. I had no idea Hef raped Dorothy. I wonder if his family is going to sue over this series. It pretty much destroys his harmless perpetual playboy, lover-of-women reputation. 

Unpopular view, but I don't think Dorothy Stratten was the most beautiful Playmate as they were saying. I wonder if she's been elevated due to the tragic way she died. She was certainly lovely, but I think others like Pamela Anderson (first cover, before her makeover) were equally lovely if not prettier. Barbi Benton was adorable! Mikki was also just beautiful! Agree about Liz Taylor. I think it's the hair, brows and make-up. 

IKR. The rapes were the biggest shocks of the entire series. 

Beauty's in the eye of the beholder. At first glance, I also thought Dorothy was beautiful but in a typical beautiful blonde kind of way. But then I saw more pictures of her and got the hype. She was absolutely flawless and natural. She's actually my favorite Playmate in terms of beauty next to Dasha. 

These days women get their lips done, boobs done, fake hair, fake tan, fake nose, etc. And I'm not knocking any of that. I'm open to that stuff myself. But there's something about 100% natural beauty like Dorothy. She had a perfect figure, porcelain skin, had a very sweet face and came across as a sweetheart. It's so sad though, because her beauty was like a curse. 

I definitely agree with you about the other women you mentioned. I thought young Pamela Anderson was another knockout. Barbi looked like a doll. I loved her eyes. Mikki is beautiful to this day imo. She's so striking and looks like a movie star. I admire how tough she is. 

1 hour ago, Atlanta said:

I wonder why Crystal married him. I don't get what either of them got out of it. He wasn't wealthy at that point if money was a factor, right? If he didn't want to die alone, he still had that creepy doctor.

I'm not sure about Crystal's background. Maybe for her, marriage with Hef was still a rather hypergamous situation? Or maybe she wanted the fame that came with being Mrs. Hefner? That was my guess as far as Hef. He was just so old at that point and didn't want to die alone. And I don't even mean that he wanted a companion in Crystal. I don't think he cared for her or any woman in that way. I think he probably just wanted the young blonde wife for his final years solely for his image. 

Edited March 30, 2022 by RealHousewife

[emma675]

Was Crystal married to him up until his death or did they get divorced? I also wonder what Hef's will looked like.

I was kind of shocked there was footage of Hef towards the end. It was quick, but seeing him hunched over, frail, and slowly using a walker was wild. Even evil succumbs to age eventually, I suppose. 

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, emma675 said:

Was Crystal married to him up until his death or did they get divorced? I also wonder what Hef's will looked like.

I was kind of shocked there was footage of Hef towards the end. It was quick, but seeing him hunched over, frail, and slowly using a walker was wild. Even evil succumbs to age eventually, I suppose. 

She was married to him until his death. And me too. 

That also surprised me. I think part of what made the rapes shocking is the fact I basically just knew the GND era Hef, who looked like a frail little old man even then. 

[MCMLXXVII]

I agree that the twins being dressed identically last night was super weird. Like you’re 32, WTF? 😐Karissa has more than one porn credit, I don’t know if they’re both still under contract. Before 2019 I saw them pop up on TMZ once or twice getting arrested, so I assumed they were still living the Hollywood party girl life. Apparently they were best friends with Blac Chyna at one point.🤷🏽‍♀️

To be honest I never got all the Dorothy Stratton hype either, but I think it’s due to the late 70s makeup and styling choices. 

[1011101010001]

27 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I don't know how anyone can have sex on camera for the world to see. I feel so sad for all those women, because they can't be mentally healthy, can they? 

It used to limit career opportunities but it seems to have only helped Kim Kardashian.

5 minutes ago, emma675 said:

Was Crystal married to him up until his death or did they get divorced? I also wonder what Hef's will looked like.

I was kind of shocked there was footage of Hef towards the end. It was quick, but seeing him hunched over, frail, and slowly using a walker was wild. Even evil succumbs to age eventually, I suppose. 

And of course they worked in that he had to keep a bucket next to the bed for him to pee in.

[Me from ME]

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And of course they worked in that he had to keep a bucket next to the bed for him to pee in.

And that is the reason I find the twins to be so distasteful. All the details about his bad behavior are perfectly acceptable, but what are the benefits of telling about the infirmities of aging which were beyond his control?  Reflects very badly on them.

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, Me from ME said:

And that is the reason I find the twins to be so distasteful. All the details about his bad behavior are perfectly acceptable, but what are the benefits of telling about the infirmities of aging which were beyond his control?  Reflects very badly on them.

He deserved at all after drugging and raping and using and abusing them for so long 🤷‍♀️

[RealHousewife]

21 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

He deserved at all after drugging and raping and using and abusing them for so long 🤷‍♀️

That's how I see it too. Like 99% of people, I'd say, let's have some respect and not share everything. Someone like Hef? I really don't care. 

[Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

That's how I see it too. Like 99% of people, I'd say, let's have some respect and not share everything. Someone like Hef? I really don't care. 

Right. This is the guy who videotaped hundreds (or more) women without their knowledge or consent, encouraged a woman to fellate a dog in front of a crowd, covered up rapes and perhaps worse, spoke of snuff movies, etc etc 

[RealHousewife]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

Right. This is the guy who videotaped hundreds (or more) women without their knowledge or consent, encouraged a woman to fellate a dog in front of a crowd, covered up rapes and perhaps worse, spoke of snuff movies, etc etc 

He was a monster who was damn lucky he never had to pay for any of it while he was alive or do time behind bars. 

[emma675]

Hopefully he's paying for it now, wherever he is.

[chediavolo]

12 hours ago, emma675 said:

Hopefully he's paying for it now, wherever he is.

Burning in hell hopefully. 

[Keywestclubkid]

On 3/31/2022 at 8:27 AM, Me from ME said:

what are the benefits of telling about the infirmities of aging which were beyond his control?  Reflects very badly on them.

I mean they had the same stance from the beginning before he went infirm … I’m sure there arnt a lot of 18/19 year olds that think a man in his 80s is hot so you kinda have to take it as they were seeing it to a TEENAGE girl. But that does lead into IF they didn’t find him attractive why pretend and let it get to a point where they had to sleep with him? At that point it wasn’t like they were so deep that they were dependent on him yet… but on the other hand I wasn’t there and have no clue what was going on in their head so I can only have my opinion 

[SunnyBeBe]

Even as an adult woman, over 30, if I was offered a contract to live in the mansion and play Hef’s girlfriend, I would never have imagined that included actual sex with an 80 year old man.  At the most, some lap dances. Lol.  It’s just difficult to fathom.  I suspect that as we age, we understand that sex with seniors is a real thing.  How we react is in our mind.  People in their 70s, 80s, etc.  are capable of sex and while it might not appeal to a young person, it would appeal to someone in that age group OR someone who loves a person in that age group.  It’s all subjective.  I suspect the twins were appalled by Hef because they didn’t like being controlled, manipulated, drugged, and forced into unacceptable behavior.  I wonder, if his physical attributes, just come to their minds as traits they associate with their trauma.  

[1011101010001]

39 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Even as an adult woman, over 30, if I was offered a contract to live in the mansion and play Hef’s girlfriend, I would never have imagined that included actual sex with an 80 year old man.  At the most, some lap dances. Lol.  It’s just difficult to fathom.  I suspect that as we age, we understand that sex with seniors is a real thing.  How we react is in our mind.  People in their 70s, 80s, etc.  are capable of sex and while it might not appeal to a young person, it would appeal to someone in that age group OR someone who loves a person in that age group.  It’s all subjective.  I suspect the twins were appalled by Hef because they didn’t like being controlled, manipulated, drugged, and forced into unacceptable behavior.  I wonder, if his physical attributes, just come to their minds as traits they associate with their trauma.  

I have read that there is an issue with seniors in retirement communities getting STDs.  They think because pregnancy is not an issue that they don’t need to take any precautions.

[Sweet-tea]

On 3/30/2022 at 11:44 AM, RealHousewife said:

Me too. I hadn't seen them in years, and on GND, they looked like they had the tall, naturally skinny type of body. As someone who has that kind of body, yes we can gain weight too, but we typically don't gain a lot of weight when still fairly young and childfree. Not shaming or anything. It's just so sad it sounds like it's the result of depression/maybe antidepressants? 

After all these crazy stories, my guess is there are probably lots of other women out there who were traumatized by Hef/Playboy. :(

What struck me was not just that they gained a lot of weight, but both of them appear to have gained the same amount of weight. And it was weird and kind of creepy that they dressed alike. They seemed suspended in time, back when they were the SHANNON TWINS! 

I noticed they both had the same hair style, but each of them parted it on a different side. So they were mirror images of each other. 

I didn't like the format of the interview, especially the fake-looking psychologist who screamed tv-star wannabe to me. But I believe their stories. I think they were traumatized by what happened. I don't want to blame them. I remember how I was when I was barely 19. I might have been drawn into the fame, the celebrity and the glamour. I don't want to judge them. I just feel sorry for them. 

I don't think they were skanky. I think they were beautiful, vulnerable young women who were looking for affirmation in the wrong place. Hef liked his women young and unsure of themselves. It made them easier to manipulate. 

And watching them reminded me of my sister. I wish she and I were close. It made me sad watching them, because my sister and I barely speak due to a childhood that was abusive and so harmful we haven't been able to rebound from it. We aren't twins, but still... 

Edited April 2, 2022 by Sweet-tea

[1011101010001]

24 minutes ago, Sweet-tea said:

What struck me was not just that they gained a lot of weight, but both of them appear to have gained the same amount of weight. And it was weird and kind of creepy that they dressed alike. They seemed suspended in time, back when they were the SHANNON TWINS! 

I noticed they both had the same hair style, but each of them parted it on a different side. So they were mirror images of each other. 

I didn't like the format of the interview, especially the fake-looking psychologist who screamed tv-star wannabe to me. But I believe their stories. I think they were traumatized by what happened. I don't want to blame them. I remember how I was when I was barely 19. I might have been drawn into the fame, the celebrity and the glamour. I don't want to judge them. I just feel sorry for them. 

I don't think they were skanky. I think they were beautiful, vulnerable young women who were looking for affirmation in the wrong place. Hef liked his women young and unsure of themselves. It made them easier to manipulate. 

And watching them reminded me of my sister. I wish she and I were close. It made me sad watching them, because my sister and I barely speak due to a childhood that was abusive and so harmful we haven't been able to rebound from it. We aren't twins, but still... 

It’s never too late to reach out again.

[SunnyBeBe]

I’m about half way through the series.  Hef really was a piece of work.  He was a legend in his own mind.

 I’m not surprised that his friends thought he was a good guy. People like Hef don’t show their true colors to everyone, or else they’d be scorned.  They put on a fake persona so they have the opportunity to manipulate and control people. Plus, with glowing praise from friends, who’d believe the word of a young girl against him?  

[qtpye]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

I’m about half way through the series.  Hef really was a piece of work.  He was a legend in his own mind.

 I’m not surprised that his friends thought he was a good guy. People like Hef don’t show their true colors to everyone, or else they’d be scorned.  They put on a fake persona so they have the opportunity to manipulate and control people. Plus, with glowing praise from friends, who’d believe the word of a young girl against him?  

I also imagine many of his "friends" kissed his ass to gain access to drugs, celebrities, and beautiful women.

I find that most narcissists surround themselves with sycophants who think everything they do is fantastic. Hef had enough clout to make himself king of his own small world.

[RealHousewife]

18 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

What struck me was not just that they gained a lot of weight, but both of them appear to have gained the same amount of weight. And it was weird and kind of creepy that they dressed alike. They seemed suspended in time, back when they were the SHANNON TWINS! 

I noticed they both had the same hair style, but each of them parted it on a different side. So they were mirror images of each other. 

I noticed that too. Every single thing about them is the same other than the hair part. Most twins I've known like to be different from each other. As they've gotten older, it tends to be easier to tell them apart. One will sometimes gain more weight than the other, age a little differently, something. 

Anyone check out secretsofplayboy on Reddit? There is a lot of information there. 

[Welshman in Ca]

On 4/1/2022 at 4:41 AM, chediavolo said:

Burning in hell hopefully. 

Hell would be fun for him being with his best bud. Put him upstairs where everything sounds boring & self righteous.

[SunnyBeBe]

I don’t even need the twins to see the deal about Hef.  What an A hole.  Now, I see why Kendra was so intent on following  up with Mary, Hef’s assistant.  She had access to the the videos.  Did Kendra want to get hers back?    Man, that woman, was so revered by the GND!  Good lord. What a travesty.  The more I see, the more outraged I am.  Man, Hollywood is pathetic.  Who else are they protecting? 

Edited April 4, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[qtpye]

I think this show might end any affection I might have had for GND as silly as that series was.

[Atlanta]

I've gone back and watched some of the GND episodes with the Holly and twins interviews in mind. Now I see the dark undercurrent. If you have Prime, you can watch the eps free with a couple of commercials. I only watched the one episode (the last season first ep) with the twins and Crystal. Back when watching the show I had viewed Mary as sort of a house mother, but now I see her as way more sinister. I know she was just doing what her boss asked and she'd been at that job for so long; I'm sure it would have been hard to start over, and I get that Holly views her a bit different. She was there for her when she moved out and needed a place to crash in between residences. So I get why she may have a sense of loyalty. But, geez, Hefner was a vile sack of skin.

[RealHousewife]

22 hours ago, qtpye said:

I think this show might end any affection I might have had for GND as silly as that series was.

Right. I enjoyed GND because I knew nothing about Playboy. It was interesting learning more about it. I thought the women were all nice and likable (unlike a lot of reality TV stars), and there was an element of girly fun. I never thought "I want to be Hef's girlfriend. What a gentleman!" But after this documentary, a dirty old man would be a euphemistic description. 

6 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Back when watching the show I had viewed Mary as sort of a house mother, but now I see her as way more sinister. I know she was just doing what her boss asked and she'd been at that job for so long; I'm sure it would have been hard to start over, and I get that Holly views her a bit different. She was there for her when she moved out and needed a place to crash in between residences. So I get why she may have a sense of loyalty. But, geez, Hefner was a vile sack of skin.

Same. People are complex. It sounds like Mary did genuinely care about Holly (unlike Hef). But it's amazing she wasn't disturbed by all the ugliness she witnessed at the mansion and just went with it. I think someone who really cared for all the women in that world was Miki. 

Edited April 4, 2022 by RealHousewife

[Atlanta]

Miki seemed to be the true Playmate mother figure, if you will. She would warn the young women to not go to the house and explain that nothing good comes from going there, but sometimes they'd ignore her. I'm sure she was afraid to go in detail, but I think she did the best she could at that time. 

[RealHousewife]

4 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Miki seemed to be the true Playmate mother figure, if you will. She would warn the young women to not go to the house and explain that nothing good comes from going there, but sometimes they'd ignore her. I'm sure she was afraid to go in detail, but I think she did the best she could at that time. 

Exactly, she's probably my favorite person in the documentary. Hef didn't like Miki not because she was "crazy and dangerous" but because she knew Hef and Playboy could be crazy and dangerous and wanted to protect all these young models and bunnies.  

Edited April 4, 2022 by RealHousewife

[SunnyBeBe]

One of the women being interviewed appears to have a large ladder in the background.   Why is that there?  

[RealHousewife]

Holly says she was never a recruiter. She also addresses the Shannon twins being ghosted in the bedroom with Hef. 

 

Edited April 5, 2022 by RealHousewife

[Cinnabon]

42 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Holly says she was never a recruiter. She also addresses the Shannon twins being ghosted in the bedroom with Hef. 

 

Interesting! Kendra sounds like the bitch I assumed she was. Was Bridget even in the documentary? Holly mentioned her part and I don’t remember it. 

Too bad Holly feels like she needs all that makeup. I thought she looked better without most of it.
 

ETA - does anyone else find it weird that no one ever talks about Hef’s brother Keith? I wonder how much he was involved over the years.

Edited April 5, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Atlanta]

I get the feeling that Keith was just as bad, but that's just my gut.

[Cinnabon]

25 minutes ago, Atlanta said:

I get the feeling that Keith was just as bad, but that's just my gut.

Me, too. But it’s just extremely odd to me that I’ve never heard anyone mention him, even in the multiple books exposing it all.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

Interesting! Kendra sounds like the bitch I assumed she was. Was Bridget even in the documentary? Holly mentioned her part and I don’t remember it. 

 

 

She was in Hollys episode.. just a couple of questions really 

[Athena5217]

4 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

One of the women being interviewed appears to have a large ladder in the background.   Why is that there?  

I think that is exercise equipment. I have seen something like that in a Pilates studio.

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

ETA - does anyone else find it weird that no one ever talks about Hef’s brother Keith? I wonder how much he was involved over the years.

I'm curious too. On one hand, he was there all those years and remained close to Hef. But on the other hand, I've known siblings who are night and day from each other. Maybe the fact no one's ever said anything is a positive? 

[CeeBeeGee]

On 4/3/2022 at 8:47 PM, qtpye said:

I think this show might end any affection I might have had for GND as silly as that series was.

I'm starting to feel the same way.

 

11 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Same. People are complex. It sounds like Mary did genuinely care about Holly (unlike Hef). But it's amazing she wasn't disturbed by all the ugliness she witnessed at the mansion and just went with it. 

Well, it's like the frog in the boiling water analogy--if the water heats up slowly, the frog doesn't realize it's a problem, doesn't appreciate the danger. Hef groomed everybody to be compliant and accepting, and of course Mary wasn't being targeted.

 

9 hours ago, Atlanta said:

Miki seemed to be the true Playmate mother figure, if you will. She would warn the young women to not go to the house and explain that nothing good comes from going there, but sometimes they'd ignore her. I'm sure she was afraid to go in detail, but I think she did the best she could at that time. 

She is a goddam lioness. I so loved her when she told the story about the girl who had really fallen into the drugs and she was told "you're not allowed to help her, to pay her rent--she got herself into this and she has to get herself out." And she helped her anyway. I'm so impressed by her.

Those poor twins. They've obviously had a rough life at every stage of it. I was very touched when they said they believed they were born as twins so they could be there for each other. It's obvious they are wrapped up in their identity as twins, which is more common than you'd believe. I have a couple of FB friends--I don't know them IRL but we all went to the same very small college so I'm friends with a lot of fellow alums whom I don't actually know. Anyway, their twin identity is everything to them. They dress alike, they married identical twins (in a double wedding), they did a reality show about their twin life. It seems weird to me but I've never been in that position. I mean, these kids shared a womb together. And they look exactly like each other. I'm sure that's pretty formative. So much has been taken from Karissa and Kristina at such a young age--if their twin identity gives them happiness, that's okay by me. It was sweet seeing them finish each other's sentences. When the doctor said they should reach out to friends who can support them and "bring them soup" Kristina (I think) immediately said to her sister "I'll do that for you." I worry that they're each other's only friends--they should try to expand their social circle but maybe they're just too damaged. Karissa and Kristina, I really hope you two find peace. You deserve it.

UGH the story about Hef negging Sofia Coppola and sabotaging their premiere. Just UGH. What a POS.

[SunnyBeBe]

The twins shared a lot of heartache for most of their lives.  I had two great aunts who were twins and while they didn’t dress alike, they had the same hairstyle, lived beside each other for most of their lives, and worked at the same place.  When they came to visit, they always came together. Lol

 

I’m really curious what Kendra has to say about this series.  

[RealHousewife]

10 minutes ago, CeeBeeGee said:

I'm starting to feel the same way.

 

Well, it's like the frog in the boiling water analogy--if the water heats up slowly, the frog doesn't realize it's a problem, doesn't appreciate the danger. Hef groomed everybody to be compliant and accepting, and of course Mary wasn't being targeted.

 

She is a goddam lioness. I so loved her when she told the story about the girl who had really fallen into the drugs and she was told "you're not allowed to help her, to pay her rent--she got herself into this and she has to get herself out." And she helped her anyway. I'm so impressed by her.

Those poor twins. They've obviously had a rough life at every stage of it. I was very touched when they said they believed they were born as twins so they could be there for each other. It's obvious they are wrapped up in their identity as twins, which is more common than you'd believe. I have a couple of FB friends--I don't know them IRL but we all went to the same very small college so I'm friends with a lot of fellow alums whom I don't actually know. Anyway, their twin identity is everything to them. They dress alike, they married identical twins (in a double wedding), they did a reality show about their twin life. It seems weird to me but I've never been in that position. I mean, these kids shared a womb together. And they look exactly like each other. I'm sure that's pretty formative. So much has been taken from Karissa and Kristina at such a young age--if their twin identity gives them happiness, that's okay by me. It was sweet seeing them finish each other's sentences. When the doctor said they should reach out to friends who can support them and "bring them soup" Kristina (I think) immediately said to her sister "I'll do that for you." I worry that they're each other's only friends--they should try to expand their social circle but maybe they're just too damaged. Karissa and Kristina, I really hope you two find peace. You deserve it.

UGH the story about Hef negging Sofia Coppola and sabotaging their premiere. Just UGH. What a POS.

That analogy is perfect. I agree with the rest of your post too. 

Miki is a gorgeous lady with guts. It's kinda funny she's like the opposite of what Hef liked in a woman. He liked for women to be blonde, dumb, and keep their mouths shut. I think even if Miki didn't speak out, he still wouldn't have cared for her. 

I hope the twins find happiness. I definitely think if you grow up having a normal childhood, you're not likely to wind up with Hef or doing porn. I don't want to judge them either. I just find their dynamic interesting, and it makes me sad they went through so much crap so young.