Secrets Of Playboy - General Discussion

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, princelina said:

My point was it was how they supported themselves and had nothing to do with "love" 😄. I get tired of people acting like that was even a question.  They were there for the perks and not because they "loved" some old man enough to have group sex with a gaggle of "girlfriends".  Things like when that butler was all "I don't know . . ."  Yes you do.

I haven't watched the part two yet but 100%.

I don't like when sex workers aren't seen as human beings. I don't like the trauma of these young women to be dismissed because they got anything from Playboy. There isn't a perfect victim. You can have a big heart and be a sugar baby. I'm in my 30s, ancient by Hef's standards. But I get way older men hitting on me sometimes, and they have some qualities I like. I like old-fashioned manners, chivalry, men who like to protect/provide. A lot of that is considered outdated/antifeminist these days. Even though I am genuinely physically attracted to men a lot older than me, I wouldn't ever seriously go have a relationship with anyone elderly. But it has crossed my mind that any financial issues I have could be quickly resolved without having to get a second job. One man had a housing company. Lord knows I'd love to own my own home. I just can't picture having sex with someone that old, but if it doesn't bother some women, to each her own. All relationships are somewhat transactional. 

But no, no one was there because they loved Hef. Maybe some of them grew to have a sort of love for him, but it wasn't a romantic love. I think becoming a girlfriend may have saved Kendra's life. She didn't have a father. She had a crazy mother. She was a teenage stripper and did drugs. Not a good path. 

I think Holly tried to convince herself she was in love with Hef, but I think she was also kind of like an Erika Jayne in that she didn't know if she could leave "the situation" and have anywhere near the lifestyle she was accustomed to. Doesn't make her a bad person, but not someone who fell in love with an old man for who he was. 

[Keywestclubkid]

3 hours ago, princelina said:

My point was it was how they supported themselves and had nothing to do with "love" 😄. I get tired of people acting like that was even a question.  They were there for the perks and not because they "loved" some old man enough to have group sex with a gaggle of "girlfriends".  Things like when that butler was all "I don't know . . ."  Yes you do.

no its not Kendra had a day job so did some other girls they were allowed to work these girls just didn't want to 

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

I haven't watched the part two yet but 100%.

I don't like when sex workers aren't seen as human beings. I don't like the trauma of these young women to be dismissed because they got anything from Playboy. There isn't a perfect victim. You can have a big heart and be a sugar baby. I'm in my 30s, ancient by Hef's standards. But I get way older men hitting on me sometimes, and they have some qualities I like. I like old-fashioned manners, chivalry, men who like to protect/provide. A lot of that is considered outdated/antifeminist these days. Even though I am genuinely physically attracted to men a lot older than me, I wouldn't ever seriously go have a relationship with anyone elderly. But it has crossed my mind that any financial issues I have could be quickly resolved without having to get a second job. One man had a housing company. Lord knows I'd love to own my own home. I just can't picture having sex with someone that old, but if it doesn't bother some women, to each her own. All relationships are somewhat transactional. 

But no, no one was there because they loved Hef. Maybe some of them grew to have a sort of love for him, but it wasn't a romantic love. I think becoming a girlfriend may have saved Kendra's life. She didn't have a father. She had a crazy mother. She was a teenage stripper and did drugs. Not a good path. 

I think Holly tried to convince herself she was in love with Hef, but I think she was also kind of like an Erika Jayne in that she didn't know if she could leave "the situation" and have anywhere near the lifestyle she was accustomed to. Doesn't make her a bad person, but not someone who fell in love with an old man for who he was. 

I dont think anyone is saying sex workers arnt human beings but trying to pretzel yourself with how you weren't a sex working when ya were kinda makes it seem like they think its bad

[RealHousewife]

51 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

no its not Kendra had a day job so did some other girls they were allowed to work these girls just didn't want to 

I dont think anyone is saying sex workers arnt human beings but trying to pretzel yourself with how you weren't a sex working when ya were kinda makes it seem like they think its bad

I'm not saying anyone here has, but sometimes the way people can talk about Hugh Hefner's girlfriends and women in similar situations can come across as though they have this "the hell with them" attitude. So I wanted to make it clear that isn't where I come from at all. I'm a fan of some of them, in particular Holly and Bridget, even if I also think, yeah right, when it comes to being there due to love for Hef. 

And I agree with you. It drives me crazy how all these women think they were oh so different from one another. The same women who pose nude for the whole world often really look down upon strippers. Playboy featured some stunning models, had talented photographers, makeup artists, was known to have really good articles, etc. I can see why some women felt honored to pose and didn't see nudity as a big deal, just modeling. No problem. But why act like you were this high fashion model and strippers are so beneath you when many of them are nice people just desperate to make money, maybe pay for school or young moms trying to put food on the table?

If you were a fraction of what made an old dude happy and slept with someone you wouldn't touch in a million years if it weren't for his money, why is it so shocking some of the girlfriends also worked as escorts? Are they really night and day from being Hef's gf?

In a world where the women use their bodies their whole lives whether it was Hooters, being Hef's girlfriend, posing nude, doing topless shows, why was it so controversial that one of the girlfriends dabbled in porn? Are they just scum or something? (Unlike posing for a tame nudie mag, I do think porn can traumatize someone, but still.)

Every girlfriend wants to pretend "I was different. I was a lawyer." "I was different. I loved Hef." "I wasn't like other girls. I just wanted to have fun." "I can't relate to the others at all. I didn't know what Playboy was."

It doesn't mean you're a bad person, but just own the fact you were in a sugar daddy, sugar baby situation. And yes, that is either sex work or sex work adjacent. 

[AstridM]

6 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I haven't watched the part two yet but 100%.

I don't like when sex workers aren't seen as human beings. I don't like the trauma of these young women to be dismissed because they got anything from Playboy. There isn't a perfect victim. You can have a big heart and be a sugar baby. I'm in my 30s, ancient by Hef's standards. But I get way older men hitting on me sometimes, and they have some qualities I like. I like old-fashioned manners, chivalry, men who like to protect/provide. A lot of that is considered outdated/antifeminist these days. Even though I am genuinely physically attracted to men a lot older than me, I wouldn't ever seriously go have a relationship with anyone elderly. But it has crossed my mind that any financial issues I have could be quickly resolved without having to get a second job. One man had a housing company. Lord knows I'd love to own my own home. I just can't picture having sex with someone that old, but if it doesn't bother some women, to each her own. All relationships are somewhat transactional. 

But no, no one was there because they loved Hef. Maybe some of them grew to have a sort of love for him, but it wasn't a romantic love. I think becoming a girlfriend may have saved Kendra's life. She didn't have a father. She had a crazy mother. She was a teenage stripper and did drugs. Not a good path. 

I think Holly tried to convince herself she was in love with Hef, but I think she was also kind of like an Erika Jayne in that she didn't know if she could leave "the situation" and have anywhere near the lifestyle she was accustomed to. Doesn't make her a bad person, but not someone who fell in love with an old man for who he was. 

Who is Erika Jayne?

3 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

I'm a fan of some of them, in particular Holly and Bridget, even if I also think, yeah right, when it comes to being there due to love for Hef. 

Didn’t Bridget actually leave her husband to go live with Hef and pursue “fame?” But kept lying about it?

[RealHousewife]

13 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Who is Erika Jayne?

Didn’t Bridget actually leave her husband to go live with Hef and pursue “fame?” But kept lying about it?

Erika Jayne stars on the Real Housewives. She married a much older man who had a lot of money, thought not nearly as rich as they portrayed him as. She said she stayed with him despite his cheating and cruelty because she didn't have anywhere else to go. 

It's true Bridget left her husband to be with Hef and pursue Playboy. I think Hef knew, but I'm not entirely sure. 

[Keywestclubkid]

Bridget was separated and Hef knew about it .. her ex did a interview explaining that her move to La was the beginning of the separation 

[qtpye]

26 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Bridget was separated and Hef knew about it .. her ex did a interview explaining that her move to La was the beginning of the separation 

It's funny because I always thought Bridget's personality was the perfect ambassador for the brand at the time.

I guess it was too bad that she was "so old" (rolls eyes).

[Jack Sampson]

1 hour ago, AstridM said:

Didn’t Bridget actually leave her husband to go live with Hef and pursue “fame?” But kept lying about it?

Yes.  And she didn't actually divorce him until the show was almost over.  She kept her options open until things got serious with Nicholas.

It's incredibly common for women to leave their hometown husbands to chase fame in LA.  Often it involves hooking up with much older men for opportunities.  Most of the industry is another form of sex work...for men and women.

[princelina]

7 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

no its not Kendra had a day job so did some other girls they were allowed to work these girls just didn't want to 

What was Kendra's day job?  Did it pay enough for her boob jobs, mother's nose job, her fancy "grill"?

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Bridget was separated and Hef knew about it .. her ex did a interview explaining that her move to La was the beginning of the separation 

But she lied about it on the show for many years. 

[Keywestclubkid]

3 hours ago, princelina said:

What was Kendra's day job?  Did it pay enough for her boob jobs, mother's nose job, her fancy "grill"?

Holly was in real estate school and hef didn’t want her working Bridget was in school for broadcasting and was still perusing acting gigs Kendra did massage therapy 

[Soapy Goddess]

I've always believed this, but having finished the 2nd episode, I'm convinced it's true. Holly had delusions of being the next Mrs. Hefner and went out of her way to become the top dog. When she finally realized that was never going to happen no matter how much she wanted it, she flipped a switch. All her whining on season one just confirmed her sour grapes.

To that end, there is no doubt in my mind that Holly masterminded the exit of the two girlfriends featured in episode 2. 

[Keywestclubkid]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I've always believed this, but having finished the 2nd episode, I'm convinced it's true. Holly had delusions of being the next Mrs. Hefner and went out of her way to become the top dog. When she finally realized that was never going to happen no matter how much she wanted it, she flipped a switch. All her whining on season one just confirmed her sour grapes.

To that end, there is no doubt in my mind that Holly masterminded the exit of the two girlfriends featured in episode 2. 

they got caught selling tickets for parties thats why they got kicked out Holly had nothing to do with that ... and rewatch and listen to what the British ex says about the girls being on her "team" ... so She and those girls  made it a us v them thing

[Soapy Goddess]

On 7/21/2023 at 8:46 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

they got caught selling tickets for parties thats why they got kicked out Holly had nothing to do with that ... and rewatch and listen to what the British ex says about the girls being on her "team" ... so She and those girls  made it a us v them thing

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by Soapy Goddess
to be continued

[Sweet-tea]

On 7/19/2023 at 4:43 AM, Lisa418722 said:

The episode made me want to read her book.  

I read the book. Izabella downplayed some of the more sordid aspects in this episode. She was more critical of the experience in her book. There were also more details about the sex with Hef that were left out here. It wasn’t a pretty picture!

On 7/11/2023 at 10:06 AM, Gharlane said:

To be honest, I have no recollection of this reality show! 😲

This one was OK, if not predictable, tho I wondered how the woman who looked like a Cher/Kardashian mixture got that way if she dropped out the first day of the show.
 

She came back later. She became a playmate and was also playmate of the year. It sounded like she didn’t react well to the competitive environment but did want to be in the magazine. Her mother also pressured her to do it so that may have influenced her. I thought her mother was horrible. 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Sweet-tea

[Gharlane]

On 7/19/2023 at 5:43 AM, Lisa418722 said:

The episode made me want to read her book.  

If memory serves, you don't want to read it because it's mostly semi-literate train-of-thought stuff.

[princelina]

9 hours ago, Gharlane said:

If memory serves, you don't want to read it because it's mostly semi-literate train-of-thought stuff.

It's a quick enough read - she has chapters detailing her whole life, and let's face it, no one cares about anything but the few in the middle! 😂

[Sweet-tea]

I noticed Izabella didn't mention having a family. I wonder if she ever married or had chlldren.

I thought Izabella's book was interesting for the Playboy stuff, although some of it disgusted me. Another thing they left out of the series was when they went out, Hef would give the women a Qualude and he'd take a Viagra. If the pill worked, they'd have the sexcapade later. If not, they were off the hook. Why did the women need a Qualude? Probably because he figured they should be chemically impaired to do what he wanted them to do later. 

But once the sex scene was over, the women went back to their rooms. Holly stayed. She always slept with him because she was the number one girlfriend. This was considered a privilege and Holly's reward for her status. 

I was laughing during Zoe's interview when the producer mentioned that some thought of them as prostitutes. I heard justification in her answer about "playing the part of his girlfriend" and getting the "allowance." She can call it what she likes. They were paid for going out with him in public and having sex with him at his command. 

I'm out of order but on the first episode of S2 about the search for a centerfold: I don't remember this show when it aired. I probably would've watched it. I can't remember her name but IMO the blonde, curly-haired woman's photos were prettier than the woman who won. Her face was softer and more attractive. I also think the blonde woman with the daughter who didn't make the top three looked lovely in the photos. I guess Hef liked the winner's body better.

Watching him look at the photos with a magnifying glass and hearing his commentary about one being a little "thick" and another "long in the torso" was unsettling. It gave me a glimpse of the real Hef. 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2023 by Sweet-tea

[princelina]

On 7/23/2023 at 7:59 AM, Sweet-tea said:

Watching him look at the photos with a magnifying glass and hearing his commentary about one being a little "thick" and another "long in the torso" was unsettling. It gave me a glimpse of the real Hef. 

He did that a lot on GND.  IMO Hef always seemed pretty much asexual, but he was a perfectionist when it came to his magazine.  He wasn't picking centerfolds based on their personalities! 

[AstridM]

On 7/23/2023 at 7:59 AM, Sweet-tea said:

 

Watching him look at the photos with a magnifying glass and hearing his commentary about one being a little "thick" and another "long in the torso" was unsettling. It gave me a glimpse of the real Hef. 

 

 

Absolutely abhorrent. 

Edited July 25, 2023 by AstridM

[RealHousewife]

31 minutes ago, princelina said:

He did that a lot on GND.  IMO Hef always seemed pretty much asexual, but he was a perfectionist when it came to his magazine.  He wasn't picking centerfolds based on their personalities! 

I haven't seen the footage discussed above yet, but exactly. 

[Keywestclubkid]

On 7/24/2023 at 11:22 PM, AstridM said:

Absolutely abhorrent. 

I mean was he any worse then that one lady who made Bridget cry because her bra strap or face wasn't in perfect position and basically inferred she was the "fat" one when shooting the cover?

Edited July 28, 2023 by Keywestclubkid

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I mean was he any worse then that one lady who made Bridget cry because her bra strap or face wasn't in perfect position and basically inferred she was the "fat" one when shooting the cover?

2 wrongs don’t make a right 🤦‍♀️.

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, AstridM said:

2 wrongs don’t make a right 🤦‍♀️.

I’m just pointing out it wasn’t just “Hef” it was also others and not just MEN making these comments 

[Shrek]

On 7/24/2023 at 8:22 PM, AstridM said:

Absolutely abhorrent. 

That's how every editor of every magazine looks at any posed photo taken for their magazine. Doesn't make it right but that is still how it's done in the magazine world, unless the editor of Vogue is now sitting behind a desk saying "yeah just pick any photo you like, they're all good".

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, Shrek said:

That's how every editor of every magazine looks at any posed photo taken for their magazine. Doesn't make it right but that is still how it's done in the magazine world, unless the editor of Vogue is now sitting behind a desk saying "yeah just pick any photo you like, they're all good".

This 

[AstridM]

24 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I’m just pointing out it wasn’t just “Hef” it was also others and not just MEN making these comments 

I never said it was. . . It’s appalling no matter WHO does it. 

[Keywestclubkid]

16 minutes ago, AstridM said:

I never said it was. . . It’s appalling no matter WHO does it. 

But like it was said above it’s a “beauty” magazine is it harsh yes 100% but there are parameters to what they are looking for … the critiques were super rude but to act like there is no criticism at all especially for a magazine that is SELLING a specific look is just La la fairytale land 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Keywestclubkid

[RealHousewife]

9 minutes ago, Shrek said:

That's how every editor of every magazine looks at any posed photo taken for their magazine. Doesn't make it right but that is still how it's done in the magazine world, unless the editor of Vogue is now sitting behind a desk saying "yeah just pick any photo you like, they're all good".

Exactly. The whole point of Playboy was to feature nude images of the perfect bodies of the most beautiful women in the world. Of course Hef was going to be very particular regarding the women he selected in the first place, and the images that would make it into the magazine. I think he was a misogynistic pig, but in this case anyway, he wasn't body shaming random women. 

Just now, Keywestclubkid said:

But like it was said above it’s a “beauty” magazine is it harsh yes 100% but there are parameters to what they are looking for … 

To put it bluntly, it was a nudie mag where the models' tits and pubic hair were taken into account. The models weren't hired for their degrees, education, nor any skills whatsoever. Concerns over being "thick or "long in the torso" were to be expected.  

I think comments like the above would be considered gross body shaming in almost literally any other context, but Playmates were hired for their bodies.

I personally don't like the idea of women being hired for their breasts or fired over their weight, which is why I think the whole concept of Hooters is gross. (I won't even date men who think go there.) But I still don't get the shock over what Hef said. 

[Keywestclubkid]

13 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

 

To put it bluntly, it was a nudie mag where the models' tits and pubic hair were taken into account. The models weren't hired for their degrees, education, nor any skills whatsoever. Concerns over being "thick or "long in the torso" were to be expected.  

 

We totally are in sync .. the funny thing is Holly and Bridget interview Caremella who was a contestant in that episode and all wonder what the hell long in the torso means… like they had enough to be self conscious about but adding in a “long” torso was ridiculous 

Edited July 28, 2023 by Keywestclubkid

[RealHousewife]

10 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

We totally are in sync .. the funny thing is Holly and Bridget interview Caremella who was a contestant in that episode and all wonder what the hell long in the torso means… like they had enough to be self conscious about but adding in a “long” torso was ridiculous 

Haha I heard that too.  When Hef did that looking at the Playmate pictures, it was just business. I wouldn't have expected him to let anything slide with his magazine out of the goodness of his heart. Now the way he put down his girlfriends was really gross to me. 

Speaking of which, one thing I noticed about Hef (and other men/people), they can have a really random standard of beauty. For example, Hef worshipped Marilyn Monroe. What was she known for? Red lipstick, a chin-length haircut, a softer body type, and despite known for being busty, her boobs weren't huge. They were proportionate to the rest of her body. Hef loathed red lipstick. He flipped out on Holly for wearing it. He also flipped out on her for cutting her hair shorter. He liked his girlfriends and Playmates to be lean. (He didn't like when Kendra gained even a little weight.) Many of them had huge, often fake, breasts. That's one thing that annoys me in general, modern women are held to much higher standards of beauty than Old Hollywood, but I digress. 

[Sweet-tea]

Getting back to the last episode, I was surprised the woman got so much attention for one photo in the magazine. I can't remember her name, but it was the woman who posed on all fours. I also thought she looked so much older than college age in the photo! If I hadn't known her age, I would have guessed her at around 30. Maybe it was just the angle and the way they were styled back then though. A lot of people looked older. Seemed like a low-rent shoot too. She's posing in a frat house and they used one tiny picture. 

i want to have compassion for the school teacher who got fired but think she used poor judgment in becoming an online model, advertising her pics on her own social media, and then getting a teaching job just a few years later. If there had been a longer gap in time between when she posed and when she got the job, she might have been able to avoid the scandal. But she was only 21 and the pictures were everywhere. I know she took them down from her SM but apparently that didn't matter. 

By the way, I've read that being an online model is considered lower tier in Playboy world. The centerfolds have higher "status" to use the term loosely. 

Edited July 30, 2023 by Sweet-tea

[Shrek]

2 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

 

i want to have compassion for the school teacher who got fired but think she used poor judgment in becoming an online model, advertising her pics on her own social media, and then getting a teaching job just a few years later. If there had been a longer gap in time between when she posed and when she got the job, she might have been able to avoid the scandal. But she was only 21 and the pictures were everywhere. I know she took them down from her SM but apparently that didn't matter. 

 

I don't think it matters when they were taken or when she became a teacher, pearl clutchers are going to clutch their pearls regardless of the timelines.

[RealHousewife]

Did this topic come up in a recent episode?

Carmella made some comments going over SOP in the recent GNL podcast about not wanting to do open-leg shots because her family would see. That's one thing that stunned me watching Girls Next Door, how casual many of these women were with nudity around male relatives. I get boundaries between what you consider tasteful nude modeling and more explicit, but I'm sorry, it's just not normal to me to be cool with your dad seeing you nude, legs closed or not. 

I think unless you plan on modeling/show business for the rest of your life, you have to be very careful with things like OnlyFans, Playboy, etc, especially if you want to work with kids. For every Pamela Anderson who became rich and famous, there are a ton of women who struggled supporting themselves once they were too old for that world. I've heard of some poor teacher getting into trouble just for nude photos she had her cell phone. I guess if you do go down that path, maybe use an alias name or something so nothing racy comes up if a prospective employer googles you? Hell, there are women in the entertainment industry where having anything to do with Playboy has hurt them. It isn't fair to me since plenty of actresses do sex scenes much more risqué than Playboy, but it is what it is. 

Edited July 29, 2023 by RealHousewife

[princelina]

I have no pity for the teacher at all.  We all can't do everything - if you don't understand that you can't do online nude modeling AND teach high school you should be looking for another profession anyway.

[Andyourlittledog2]

Season one seemed to be primarily about interviewing these older women about Playboy in the sixties and seventies and eighties. They moaned, they cried, they fumed. It went on forever.

Season two so far seems to be about interviewing the same women about how they talked about Playboy in season one and how they feel now, plus some new stuff about the same old days.  The last episode aired so far was entirely Sondra Theodore and her daughter talking about the old days and their mother-daughter relationship.  They seem like lovely women but I am not interested in their relationship or how they fell out and got back on the same page re Hef and Playboy. Fifteen minutes is about as much time as I think the world at large needs of that particular story.

No disrespect to these older women but enough already!  Move on!  I have heard from these older women about as much as I ever care to for the rest of my life. I want to hear some more recent stories from another generation. There are stories! There are younger women who have lots of things to tell. Where are they? I cannot listen to these older women rehash the same old shit one more episode. I don't want to continue to examine their lives, hear their traumatic stories, etc. Let's move on already!

It's like the filmmakers don't want to move into more recent territory because they want to pad the hell out of this series and finagle a season three, keeping us on the hook. I have lost all patience.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Andyourlittledog2

[Jack Sampson]

1 hour ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

No disrespect to these older women but enough already!  Move on!  I have heard from these older women about as much as I ever care to for the rest of my life. I want to hear some more recent stories from another generation. There are stories! There are younger women who have lots of things to tell. Where are they?

With the newer generations, there were cameras everywhere.  There could easily be proof if they're lying and the girls know it.

But, the vast majority of the women don't bash Hef and Playboy so they aren't interviewed.  Even Sondra's daughter was careful to say that she never witnessed anything out of line.

Sondra's got some problems.  Notice when her daughter mentioned that Hef was nice to her at parties her immediate response was a thinly veiled - SEE!  He was grooming her!  Plus, she blames Hef personally for her pictures being stolen and put on porn sites.  And, even though every other girlfriend going back to at least Barbi, says that they weren't encouraged to talk to other men and were DEFINITELY not allowed to have sex with other men - Sondra says Hef brought other dudes into bed.  She may be telling the truth but it would be unusual for Hef to specifically not allow that before and after her.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Jack Sampson

[AstridM]

2 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

Season one seemed to be primarily about interviewing these older women about Playboy in the sixties and seventies and eighties. They moaned, they cried, they fumed. It went on forever.

Season two so far seems to be about interviewing the same women about how they talked about Playboy in season one and how they feel now, plus some new stuff about the same old days.  The last episode aired so far was entirely Sondra Theodore and her daughter talking about the old days and their mother-daughter relationship.  They seem like lovely women but I am not interested in their relationship or how they fell out and got back on the same page re Hef and Playboy. Fifteen minutes is about as much time as I think the world at large needs of that particular story.

No disrespect to these older women but enough already!  Move on!  I have heard from these older women about as much as I ever care to for the rest of my life. I want to hear some more recent stories from another generation. There are stories! There are younger women who have lots of things to tell. Where are they? I cannot listen to these older women rehash the same old shit one more episode. I don't want to continue to examine their lives, hear their traumatic stories, etc. Let's move on already!

It's like the filmmakers don't want to move into more recent territory because they want to pad the hell out of this series and finagle a season three, keeping us on the hook. I have lost all patience.

I am enjoying it. I don’t really want to hear from the younger women 🤷‍♀️.

41 minutes ago, Jack Sampson said:

With the newer generations, there were cameras everywhere.  There could easily be proof if they're lying and the girls know it.

But, the vast majority of the women don't bash Hef and Playboy so they aren't interviewed.  Even Sondra's daughter was careful to say that she never witnessed anything out of line.

Sondra's got some problems.  Notice when her daughter mentioned that Hef was nice to her at parties her immediate response was a thinly veiled - SEE!  He was grooming her!  Plus, she blames Hef personally for her pictures being stolen and put on porn sites.  And, even though every other girlfriend going back to at least Barbi, says that they weren't encouraged to talk to other men and were DEFINITELY not allowed to have sex with other men - Sondra says Hef brought other dudes into bed.  She may be telling the truth but it would be unusual for Hef to specifically not allow that before and after her.

She has PLENTY of stories demonstrating the years of abuse, and that’s been corroborated by many, many others. No, she is not just some crazy “old” woman looking for attention. Do you really doubt the abuse?

[Jack Sampson]

32 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Do you really doubt the abuse?

Yes.

[Andyourlittledog2]

I don't doubt her. But she has had plenty of air time to air her trauma. I want the series to go somewhere new now. Rehashing the rehash of the rehash will only take you so far. And I am over it. Move on.

[AstridM]

3 hours ago, Jack Sampson said:

Yes.

So ALL of those other women are also lying?🤦‍♀️

2 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

I don't doubt her. But she has had plenty of air time to air her trauma. I want the series to go somewhere new now. Rehashing the rehash of the rehash will only take you so far. And I am over it. Move on.

Some of us feel the exact opposite way 🤷‍♀️. I assume the season has already been filmed so it will be whatever it will be .

[Andyourlittledog2]

No one is saying you can't feel anyway you want to.  Me, I'm over it.

I just binge watched season one and went right into season two so it is super repetitive and rehashed to me. I want to see something fresh next week, not the same interviewees restating the same problems and traumas. When I say 'older women' I am simply trying to identify who I am speaking about. It has nothing to do with their age or their veracity. It's just that the filmmakers seem stuck here. The women I don't fault, it's the filmmakers.

[Jack Sampson]

2 hours ago, AstridM said:

So ALL of those other women are also lying?🤦‍♀️

I haven't looked into "all those other women", the show has only featured a handful.  In Sondra's case, her own daughter doubts her and never saw Hef do anything wrong - and she was actually there - why is it so outrageous for an outside observer have doubts?

[Shrek]

I'm enjoying the second season & maybe the problem you're having is that you only just binge watched the first season and are suffering from SOP burnout.

As for doubting some of the stories, I'm sure that the truth is out there somewhere between what the mother & daughter are saying but there have been plenty of reasons to doubt that either one is the whole truth rather just their truth as they see it. 

It does appear that Sondra bounced from one extreme to the other with her second marriage being to a controlling strict religious type and she no doubt suffers from some sort of trauma from that.

[RealHousewife]

On 7/29/2023 at 5:19 PM, princelina said:

I have no pity for the teacher at all.  We all can't do everything - if you don't understand that you can't do online nude modeling AND teach high school you should be looking for another profession anyway.

I don't think it's fair that Playboy has negatively impacted some women in show business since so many actors film scenes way more racy than Playboy. I also don't expect teachers to be perfect angels outside of the classroom. But there is an argument to be made that if you just posed nude, maybe a school teacher position isn't for you. (It may not have mattered pre-internet.) From what you all are saying, it sounds like while part 1 was full of horrifying stories of women being abused, but part 2 is much ado about nothing? Hef expected the women in his magazine to look like Playmates? There may be consequence to posing nude? 

I am intrigued by Sondra, just because she seemed so broken. I hope she is doing okay and getting everything off her chest has been good for her. She was very young when she became Hef's girlfriend. 

I have been waiting for part 2 to air on Peacock, but it still wasn't there the last time I checked. 

[Shrek]

45 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I don't think it's fair that Playboy has negatively impacted some women in show business since so many actors film scenes way more racy than Playboy. I also don't expect teachers to be perfect angels outside of the classroom. But there is an argument to be made that if you just posed nude, maybe a school teacher position isn't for you. (It may not have mattered pre-internet.) From what you all are saying, it sounds like while part 1 was full of horrifying stories of women being abused, but part 2 is much ado about nothing? Hef expected the women in his magazine to look like Playmates? There may be consequence to posing nude? 

I am intrigued by Sondra, just because she seemed so broken. I hope she is doing okay and getting everything off her chest has been good for her. She was very young when she became Hef's girlfriend. 

I have been waiting for part 2 to air on Peacock, but it still wasn't there the last time I checked. 

Have you tried the A&E streaming ap ? That's where I watch it but I'm not sure if you need a cable tv account or have to pay if not.

[RealHousewife]

8 minutes ago, Shrek said:

Have you tried the A&E streaming ap ? That's where I watch it but I'm not sure if you need a cable tv account or have to pay if not.

Not yet, but I did watch some of part 1 via the app. I figured part 2 would show up on Peacock once 1 was removed, but it may not. Thank you. :)

[princelina]

I was too young to know of Hef in his heyday, but from Girls Next Door on he always seemed to me to be kind of a dirty old man who delighted in his playboy reputation, without actually seeming interested in the women themselves.  And that opinion was only solidified by watching GND and reading Izabella's book.  The sex nights seemed to be as much a chore for him as them (although they did all the work 😂) and other than his magazine, what he really enjoyed was shuffling around in his PJs, working on his scrapbooks and reliving his glory days with homely old Mary, or having movie nights and game nights with his male friends.  I do believe, more or less, the stories from season one, which took place when he was trying to build his reputation as a "ladies man".  I don't think the younger women have much of that dirt to tell because by then he was an old geezer doing as he pleased.  Which included the smallest amount of "sex work" he thought he could get away with 😄

[Pi237]

On 8/1/2023 at 5:31 PM, Andyourlittledog2 said:

The last episode aired so far was entirely Sondra Theodore and her daughter talking about the old days and their mother-daughter relationship.  They seem like lovely women but I am not interested in their relationship or how they fell out and got back on the same page re Hef and Playboy. Fifteen minutes is about as much time as I think the world at large needs of that particular story.

I agree. I don’t doubt Sondra’s story at all, and wish her & her daughter the best, but this was really drawn out and didn’t need an entire episode.  How many ways can you say, “I didn’t know the whole story so enjoyed drugs and booze and parties and now that I know, Im conflicted but love and support my Mom.’ ? There, done. Her daughter had an odd vibe. She wrapped it up being supportive, but that sparkly, pink eye shadow was still holding an edgy tone. 

[Gharlane]

Are they still playing new eps? I watched the first of the second season, missed the second, and never heard anything about the show since. 🤔