Jed! and Katey: Biblically Bunking Together

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

These days, the general recommendation is that twins be delivered somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks prior to their due date because of the high risk of complications including stillbirth associated with twin pregnancies.  Chances are, she will either be scheduled for an induction or a cesarean at that point.

Yes, I know that and have met quite a few women who disagree with it. So far all has gone well for them.  They have had close monitoring though.  The woman next door who has the twins who have done so well absolutely refused to deliver earler than natural labor. She's a respiratory therapist in a local NICU so she knew what she was trying to avoid.  I don't expect you to agree with her decision, but it worked out fine for them.

[CalicoKitty]

I have taken care of a couple sets of natural, identical triplets.  Talk about hitting the lottery.

[EmeraldGirl]

Jed and Jer are also fraternal twins, as were John and Jana. So I’m thinking they are definitely going to be fraternal. 
 

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three? I don’t know why anybody wants to do this, except Michelle‘s philosophy of leaving it all into God‘s hands and children are like flowers. I personally kill every flower that comes near me.🤷🏻‍♀️ Katie seems like such an interesting normal person. I can’t imagine why she chose this life and this man. she still shows quite a bit of personality, thank God for that. But the other side of her is a devoted fertility machine. 😔

[Notabug]

9 hours ago, Absolom said:

Yes, I know that and have met quite a few women who disagree with it. So far all has gone well for them.  They have had close monitoring though.  The woman next door who has the twins who have done so well absolutely refused to deliver earler than natural labor. She's a respiratory therapist in a local NICU so she knew what she was trying to avoid.  I don't expect you to agree with her decision, but it worked out fine for them.

I don't need to agree with her decision, I'm glad to know she was fully informed of the risks and made her choice based on facts.  I have plenty of patients who don't agree with me on stuff like screening mammograms or immunizations for HPV and I am fine with it as long as they spend a minute or two listening to me explain why I think otherwise.

4 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Jed and Jer are also fraternal twins, as were John and Jana. So I’m thinking they are definitely going to be fraternal. 
 

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three? I don’t know why anybody wants to do this, except Michelle‘s philosophy of leaving it all into God‘s hands and children are like flowers. I personally kill every flower that comes near me.🤷🏻‍♀️ Katie seems like such an interesting normal person. I can’t imagine why she chose this life and this man. she still shows quite a bit of personality, thank God for that. But the other side of her is a devoted fertility machine. 😔

Fraternal twins run on the mother's side of the family; so Michelle's history is not relevant here.  Fraternal twins require the mother to release 2 eggs at ovulation and has nothing to do with the father.  

They're probably fraternal because the majority of twins are.

[lianau]

My identical twin brothers were only born a week early .

[Notabug]

5 hours ago, lianau said:

My identical twin brothers were only born a week early .

How long ago?  The data supporting delivering twins electively at 37-38 weeks is only a decade or so old.  We used to let them go until the due date all the time.  Most delivered well before then, but some went the distance.

Edited December 15 by Notabug

[Gemma Violet]

8 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

So how old are their existing children now? Will she have four under two? Or will the oldest one hit three?

I posted this in October in the Jinger thread after Jinger discussed it on her podcast:

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Jinger said Jed and Katie will have four kids under two.  (Well, not exactly two years--more like two and a half years.)  Jeremy looked up Tru's birthdate and he said it was in May 2022.  And then Nora was next.  (They didn't say her birthdate.)

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Katey's twins are due in January

So in January, they will have two newborns, a 2 1/2 year-old (approximately), and a one-year-old (approximately).  (Or maybe Nora will be 1 1/2.)  

When Jinger said four under two, at first, I thought she meant four under 24 months, but she wasn't speaking of literally two years--just not having reached 3 yet.

 

So she will have four kids in the span of 2 years and 8 months.  

Edited December 15 by Gemma Violet

[oliviabenson]

in the maternity shoot or whatever the way she gazes adoringly at her headship is nauseating. and he is going to be as large as David Rodriguez soon. 

why all the Duggar men so potato looking? not a looker in sight.

[EmeraldGirl]

7 hours ago, Notabug said:

I don't need to agree with her decision, I'm glad to know she was fully informed of the risks and made her choice based on facts.  I have plenty of patients who don't agree with me on stuff like screening mammograms or immunizations for HPV and I am fine with it as long as they spend a minute or two listening to me explain why I think otherwise.

Fraternal twins run on the mother's side of the family; so Michelle's history is not relevant here.  Fraternal twins require the mother to release 2 eggs at ovulation and has nothing to do with the father.  

They're probably fraternal because the majority of twins are.

Thanks for the explanation. So does being a twin, fraternal or identical, make any difference in whether they have twins themselves?

[lookeyloo]

Just an aside on the twin thing.  Mr. lookeyloo has a twin brother.  They turn 70 in October.  Their late mother, bless her heart, insisted they were identical because "the doctor" told her.  Whether he did or didn't, well, who knows, but, they almost don't even look like brothers.  If I showed you a picture of a bunch of people anyone would be hard pressed to pick them out as brothers, let alone identical twins.  It will be interesting to see what the Duggar baby "twins" are like.

[oliviabenson]

I hope all the kids look like the mom. idk why she married him. he is not nice at all.

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Thanks for the explanation. So does being a twin, fraternal or identical, make any difference in whether they have twins themselves?

Yeah, the only type of twinning that can be inherited is fraternal and it is passed through the women in a family.  Some women are 'multiple ovulators' and release more than one egg frequently.

My mom had a cousin who had 3 sets of fraternal twins, that cousin's sister had two children: fraternal twins.  Those are multiple ovulators.  My mother's mother also had a set of twins that died of prematurity in the 1920's.  My niece, her great grand daughter, just had a set of fraternal girls. 

However, the inheritance of an increased risk of twins is multifactorial meaning there are multiple genes involved.  If no one has twins in your family and you're not using fertility medications; your chances are around 1%.  If there are fraternal twins, conceived naturally amongst you or your first degree relatives (mom, sisters, daughters); your chances are 5%  So, even in best case scenario, 95% of people with twins in the family won't have them in any given pregnancy.

Edited December 15 by Notabug

[oliviabenson]

I had to crop the pic due to it being too large to attach.

she gazing at him like me at tiramisu.

[oliviabenson]

[crazy8s]

15 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I had to crop the pic due to it being too large to attach.

she gazing at him like me at tiramisu.

I am of the thinking he looks better to her if she looks just at his eyes and can ignore seeing the rest of him.

[Future Cat Lady]

That guy has a very punchable face and he keeps getting her pregnant. Let her rest asshole.

[EmeraldGirl]

5 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

I had to crop the pic due to it being too large to attach.

she gazing at him like me at tiramisu.

Why does it look like he has a curly hairpiece just sitting on top of his head?

[beckie]

I made the mistake of watching some of their newest video.  She said they didn't know if the girls were identical or fraternal,  but that they each had their own sac. And she's due Jan 19th, but Jed wants them to arrive Dec. 30th, as that's his and Jeremiah's birthday. 

[CalicoKitty]

3 hours ago, beckie said:

I made the mistake of watching some of their newest video.  She said they didn't know if the girls were identical or fraternal,  but that they each had their own sac. And she's due Jan 19th, but Jed wants them to arrive Dec. 30th, as that's his and Jeremiah's birthday. 

He would also get a tax deduction for this year if they arrived in December.

[Salacious Kitty]

I regret watching that video. Jed! sounds just like his felon brother, just as smug, too. 

Katey is 36 weeks. 

[floridamom]

Don't identical twins share the same sac? Fraternal have their own...am I correct? 

[Salacious Kitty]

4 hours ago, floridamom said:

Don't identical twins share the same sac? Fraternal have their own...am I correct? 

They said they identical can have separate sacs a small percentage of the time. I forget the statistic they stated. 

[Notabug]

7 hours ago, floridamom said:

Don't identical twins share the same sac? Fraternal have their own...am I correct? 

Nope. It depends on when the single fertilized egg splits.  If it splits soon after ferilization, both twins would have their own sac, each with 2 layers, amnion and chorion which is the set-up for fraternal twins. The longer before the embryo splits, the more that is shared by the twins. Some identicals are in 2 separate sacs, so they have 2 amnions, but only a single chorion.  That only happens with identicals.  Finally, both babies can be in a single sac or monoamnionic.  Monoamnionic twins are far more likely to have issues with one twin getting more blood flow than the other through their shared placenta, resulting in twin-twin transfusion syndrome.  Twins in the same sac can also become tangled in one another's umbilical cords which can lead to one or both being stillborn due to cord compression.

Worst case scenario of all is that monoamnionic twins don't split before their bodies start developing which results in conjoined twins.

The vast, vast majority of identical twins are in separate sacs.

I've only ever seen one set of monoamnionic twins.  They were born to a 14 year old whose family brought her to the ER with a belly ache, thinking she had appendicitis.  The ER doc asked when her baby was due. "I'm not pregnant, I'm a virgin".  The girl's mom repeated the same mantra.  The OB resident came down to the ER, did an ultrasound and found the twins, she was in labor and was taken to L&D where she and her mother refused a cesarean delivery even though the twins were breech because they still were insisting we were wrong, since the girl was a virgin.  I was chief resident on service and caught baby A as he delivered butt-first.  His grandmother proceeded to faint and was on the floor when his brother arrived butt-first a minute later.  They were only 25-26 weeks along, very premature, but they survived.  As far as I know, neither one was named Jesus and their mother took them home after giviing up on the virgin birth story.

Edited 18 hours ago by Notabug