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The Fosters and the Hunters get together for a Dutch-themed goodbye party for Brandon and Eliza; Callie has an awkward encounter with Jamie; Mariana struggles to tell the moms the truth.

 

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Jude had a storyline, and the moms also had one, too, even though the IMDB description didn't mention it. 

 

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I liked The Fosters reunion, it was good to see everyone again. That was a super awkward and hilarious family dinner.

Don't like Steph giving up whatever job she was taking, but do like them fostering someone new. And that little girl was super cute.

Liked Jude's storyline. I don't remember what happened that made Connor leave the Fosters back in the day, but it was good to see them get closure while not ruining Jude's new relationship.

So I guess Callie's strong morals that she has to stick to don't have an issue reading someone else's private legal files and passing on confidential client information? Good to know. I am still totally team Jamie on this. Because while Callie is right that she shouldn't have to sacrifice her beliefs for love, risking other people's career is also not love. Jamie also has a point that she must have known the relationship wouldn't last or she wouldn't have already been ready to move out.

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"Can we please just enjoy our snert?"

Oh man, I enjoyed this episode a lot.  It was a fun departure.

The awkward dinner, everybody texting each other, realizing that either everybody had quit or lost a job and/or broke up with people, the bathroom break.  LOL.

I admit, I was hoping Jaime and Callie would reunite even if I do believe what Callie did was ethically wrong even though she was morally correct

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10 minutes ago, DearEvette said:

Callie did was ethically wrong even though she was morally correct

I would put an asterix after "morally correct" because risking someone else's career is not only unethical, it lacks in morality too. What she did is the kind of thing that doesn't really correct the ills of society, and harms more than helps, in the long run. It is satisfying to see, but it is also pointless it there is no real organizing behind it. In the balance of things, she hurt more people than she helped, and she didn't follow up after that. For a show that puts front and center a lot of social issues, that plot felt like virtual signaling. 

I was just thinking if Jamie was ever going to be back. I like the character

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I guess they are going to pretend Jesus never existed, since Noah is too big of a star to appear now, and they've already re-cast the role once before.

I liked seeing the family together again, though. It had plenty of drama but somehow annoyed me less than the usual shenanigans at the Coterie.

Did we know the backstory on the foster kid and his sister? I vaguely remember the kid who came with them to dinner, but nothing about how he wound up with Stef and Lena, and I didn't really fully get what was going on now-- the sister couldn't stay with him and his mom why? It went by too fast for me to catch the details.

The end of Jude-Connor story on The Fosters happened when Connor moved away (I think to live with his mom) because his father was hostile to him being gay. This caused Jude to feel abandoned, because Connor wasn't able to maintain their relationship long distance. Heartbreak all around. Behind the scenes, the reason was something about conflict with the actors-- I don't remember the details but I remember the rumors were very ugly, something about the mother of the actor who plays Jude being rabidly against the storyline? 

I don't really understand what Callie sees in Jamie. But I thought it was interesting how they contrasted her feelings about that relationship with Mariana's attitude toward Evan. Mariana accepts that Evan is doing his best, and is okay with the compromises. Callie doesn't feel that way about what Jamie is up to. He was right that she didn't really embrace him fully, but at the same time, he wasn't compromising his own values to accommodate hers, either. They just aren't compatible. He was always trying to get her to change who she was and she wanted him to change who he was. That never works.

 

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57 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I guess they are going to pretend Jesus never existed, since Noah is too big of a star to appear now, and they've already re-cast the role once before.

I liked seeing the family together again, though. It had plenty of drama but somehow annoyed me less than the usual shenanigans at the Coterie.

Did we know the backstory on the foster kid and his sister? I vaguely remember the kid who came with them to dinner, but nothing about how he wound up with Stef and Lena, and I didn't really fully get what was going on now-- the sister couldn't stay with him and his mom why? It went by too fast for me to catch the details.

The end of Jude-Connor story on The Fosters happened when Connor moved away (I think to live with his mom) because his father was hostile to him being gay. This caused Jude to feel abandoned, because Connor wasn't able to maintain their relationship long distance. Heartbreak all around. Behind the scenes, the reason was something about conflict with the actors-- I don't remember the details but I remember the rumors were very ugly, something about the mother of the actor who plays Jude being rabidly against the storyline? 

I don't really understand what Callie sees in Jamie. But I thought it was interesting how they contrasted her feelings about that relationship with Mariana's attitude toward Evan. Mariana accepts that Evan is doing his best, and is okay with the compromises. Callie doesn't feel that way about what Jamie is up to. He was right that she didn't really embrace him fully, but at the same time, he wasn't compromising his own values to accommodate hers, either. They just aren't compatible. He was always trying to get her to change who she was and she wanted him to change who he was. That never works.

 

Thanks for the reminder about Conner. 

It sounded like the foster kid's little sister was a half sister....the kid referred to "her mother" and not "our mother." But I don't remember the details of who the kid was living with after he left Lena and Steph. He couldn't be 18 already, could he?

I like Jamie as a character, but I agree he and Callie are not compatible.  I think what Callie saw in him was that she thought he was hot. And he is good for her to debate with, and Callie loves to argue her values. 

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The boy Steph and Lena had fostered previously had gone back to live with his mother who had gotten her act together.  Sister was his paternal half sister so they wouldn't let the girl come live with him and his mom because she wasn't his mom's kid.  That girl had been staying with her grandmother but grandmother couldn't keep her any longer.   

I have friends who fostered and adopted their adopted son's maternal half sister who was taken into neglect and then a subsequent one who was born in jail.  They were the preferred foster family when they were identified to reunite blood relatives but they had already been certified to foster/adopt.  If mom has just gotten her life back together she might not at all be in a position to get certified to foster/adopt.  

Although in my state Lena and Steph wouldn't have been allowed to foster either Callie or Jude because foster kids are required to have private bedrooms.   

I really like Callie's ex.  Is he still a regular they're going to have to find a way to use him.  Maybe he'll get a job working at the new lawyer along with Callie?

 

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When I finished binging “The Fosters”, a few months back, I enjoyed it enough, but I said I wasn’t going to watch  “Good Trouble”, and then I saw Hulu had the first 2 seasons, and so I decided to watch the first episode.  I ended up getting hooked in, and continued watching, and I am so glad that I did. I didn’t realize that the whole Adams-Foster family would make so many appearances, but also, I kind of didn’t want them to, but I’m so glad they do.  A lot of the time, this show makes me think “Ohh, I see where they’re going with this”, and then they don’t go that way.  I think this is a really good show, and good spinoff.  
 

This episode, I thought that they handled the “coming out” of Carter (who I didn’t think I gave fuck ONE about), to his Dad, in a pretty unpredictable way, based on how I felt when we first met his Dad... in the Fosters finale, and on this show.

I do think that they can be a little ham-handed with the “comedy/hijinks” when Stef and Lena come around, and more so when it is the whole Adams-Foster family.  Luckily Teri Polo is a decent enough actor, because they like to give her the “funny” lines and bits here, I’ve noticed, but she tends to pull them off.

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I loved this Adams Foster reunion!

Plot twist:

Hayden's (Jude) mom and Gavin's (Connor) dad are a couple in real life:

https://heyoricohannah.tumblr.com/post/645382601083863040/jonnor-nation-how-do-we-feel-knowing-haydens-mom

OMG! If they end up getting married, Hayden and Gavin will be stepbrothers, and they will have kissed each other romantically...for TV...but, the parents were still together at the time this was filmed.

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Does anyone know what the time frame of this episode is suppose to be?  I'm wondering if Jesus is still out of the country with his girlfriend?  Also does anything think Brandon might end up getting stuck in Amsterdam b/c of Covid in the future?  I enjoyed this flashback to Jonnor, he was so cute when he was younger.

Does anyone know any podcast that talk about this show?  Afterbuzz seems to have stopped after last season.

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10 hours ago, possibilities said:

I guess they are going to pretend Jesus never existed, since Noah is too big of a star to appear now, and they've already re-cast the role once before.

Was he even mentioned? 

10 hours ago, possibilities said:

I don't really understand what Callie sees in Jamie. But I thought it was interesting how they contrasted her feelings about that relationship with Mariana's attitude toward Evan. Mariana accepts that Evan is doing his best, and is okay with the compromises. Callie doesn't feel that way about what Jamie is up to. He was right that she didn't really embrace him fully, but at the same time, he wasn't compromising his own values to accommodate hers, either. They just aren't compatible. He was always trying to get her to change who she was and she wanted him to change who he was. That never works.

I have it the other way: I don't see what Jamie sees in Callie. I agree it never works and they are not compatible. What Callie did was righteous but completely wrong. She stabbed him in the back, even if the reason why was righteous - although in real life that one action would have been useless in the bigger picture - she acted like someone who doesn't take "no" for an answer. The whole psychology of the situation wouldn't have helped her if Jamie decided to rat her out. But she wasn't a lawyer yet, so she got lucky.

 

4 hours ago, ShortyMac said:

OMG! If they end up getting married, Hayden and Gavin will be stepbrothers, and they will have kissed each other romantically...for TV...but, the parents were still together at the time this was filmed.

Or: What a twist! Parents of two young adults who played lovers in a show are now dating. How cool is that!

 

4 hours ago, kav said:

Does anyone know what the time frame of this episode is suppose to be?

I don't think  this show has a "time frame" for anything. I think the first season was actually in the future, based on the age of the characters compared to The Fosters. 

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So Callie and Mariana just never let their moms know what is going on in their lives? They're three jobs and two moves past Callie, at least I get why Mariana is hiding things. She could at least have told them that she moved if they ever sent her anything, she didn't even have to say that Mariana and her were fighting. It did lead to more awkwardness though, and that was what made this episode a lot of fun. A weekend of dramatic revelations and clogging. 

Really nice seeing the rest of the Adams-Foster family, it was really fun catching up with everyone and even seeing Connor again so that he and Jude can get some closure. I forgot that they were fostering another kid now, but its not surprising and its not surprising that Steff called off her trip to foster his sister. It sucks that she cant do what she was planning on but I feel like Steff and Lena will always jump at the chance to take kids in. The dinner itself was hilariously cringy, especially everyone texting each other under the table as things got increasingly awkward while the kids just kept dumping shock after shock on their parents. 

I am still totally team Jamie, and its ridiculous that not only does Callie sill think she has the moral high ground here but her whole family agrees with her. Steff is/was a cop, shouldn't she be more concerned about the legality of this? What Jamie's clients were doing wasn't a good thing, but does letting the tenants know really change much in the grand scheme of things? Not to mention she got Jamie fired all so she could give more smug lectures about how right she is and she has already moved past the people in the apartments now that she has a new pet cause. I will miss Jamie as I really like him, but he can do a lot better than Callie, he deserves to be with someone who wont totally screw him over and lie to him when they want to play hero. I wish they had broken up under better circumstances but this was inevitable, Jamie and Callie are just too different. Plus, Callie's type is "person who she can take on as projects to show how progressive she is" not a well adjusted wealthy white guy who was until recently a Republican. I feel bad for Jamie and he is being WAY more understanding about this than I think most people would be considering Callie totally derailed his career and stuck a huge metaphorical knife in his back, she should consider herself lucky that Jamie isn't telling people what happened and is even dropping the charges against her most recent project. The only reason Callie manages to always bounce back after she blows up her and other peoples lives over and over for every cause she can find is because the writers always write her ways out. 

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2 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Plus, Callie's type is "person who she can take on as projects to show how progressive she is" not a well adjusted wealthy white guy who was until recently a Republican

I only disagree that Callie is a progressive. She is a lib, the worse type. All "diversity" and "inclusion" and "breaking the glass ceiling" but no real structural change because she never really follows up on her "projects". Repeating myself, she stopped the mental health jail, but not really because there is no organization behind it to assist the building residents, so in reality the place is already sold, for much less and with a more aggressive tactic against the residents. Well done, Callie! 

As for Stef not going to Venezuela, it would be unlikely anyway, since the relations between the countries are frozen. And that takes me back to the "nobody in that family is progressive". Stef's answer to Jim (?) when he sarcastically said "people are fleeing socialism because it is great" should have been that people are fleeing the misery that American policies caused. Progressives would have said that. Libs are part of the problem, so Stef's answer was bullshit

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I think Jamie was what Callie thought she should want, another lawyer, established, life together. Unfortunately, she was not any of these things.  

I wish they had tweaked the Callie storyline slightly. If they had Callie figuring out they were lying to the tenants another way (anonymous source, them doing the same thing somewhere else, etc), the speaking to Jamie to confirm but still doing the same thing. Jamie could have thought she snooped, break up anyway, lose his job but Callie still looks righteous but less self destructive, the story would have worked better. 
 

my issue with Callie is there is no real growth, she still does stage same stupid self destructive stuff she has been doing since the first episode of the Fosters. 

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On 3/11/2021 at 7:12 PM, possibilities said:

I guess they are going to pretend Jesus never existed, since Noah is too big of a star to appear now, and they've already re-cast the role once before.

 

Omg, they should totally recast him again. I think that would be hilarious. 😂

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I don't watch Good Trouble but I loved The Fosters. It was great to see Stef and Lena again and to see Corey. Thrilled that they are taking in his sister. I would watch a Mamas spinoff in a heartbeat. 

 

 

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On 3/12/2021 at 7:49 PM, Aliconehead said:

my issue with Callie is there is no real growth, she still does stage same stupid self destructive stuff she has been doing since the first episode of the Fosters. 

I feel the same way about Marianna.

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On 3/11/2021 at 7:12 PM, possibilities said:

I guess they are going to pretend Jesus never existed, since Noah is too big of a star to appear now, and they've already re-cast the role once before.

I thought Jesus/Emma facetimed in last reunion ep to announce they were engaged (?) and living abroad to explain Noah likely never returning to the show again, lol. It's hilarious to me that he's the breakout star from The Fosters.

Nice to see Connor! It reminded me how little a care about Carter or his relationship with Jude. Carter's actor really sold his coming out scene, though. I hope Jude's actor has moved past his rumored feud with Connor's actor since their parents are dating now??? Thanks for the info @ShortyMac. Hayden Byerly always seemed deeply uncomfortable with playing gay when he was younger, so it's ironic that it's continued to indirectly shape his personal life. He'll never escape Connor when they're stepbrothers!

Brandon's "announcements" are always nothing. The weird make up/hate sex between Jaime and Callie made no sense. Clogging made them horny?

Also, Callie would've totally cut Stef off irl because ACAB and performative activism.

Not looking forward to returning to the melancholy woke-off of the Coterie. This episode proves that fluff is solid content and I wish the show would go back to lighter fare more often. 

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On 3/12/2021 at 3:14 PM, circumvent said:

As for Stef not going to Venezuela, it would be unlikely anyway, since the relations between the countries are frozen. And that takes me back to the "nobody in that family is progressive". Stef's answer to Jim (?) when he sarcastically said "people are fleeing socialism because it is great" should have been that people are fleeing the misery that American policies caused. Progressives would have said that. Libs are part of the problem, so Stef's answer was bullshit

I am not sure you can say that all progressives would have said the same thing, or if you can measure someone's political identity with a one-off comment to their in-laws.

1 hour ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

Brandon's "announcements" are always nothing. The weird make up/hate sex between Brandon and Callie made no sense. Clogging made them horny?

I think you mean the sex between Jamie and Callie, unless I blinked and missed something.

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This was a really sweet reunion episode.  It was interesting and unexpected seeing Connor again (glad he got away from his abusive father back then!), and it was touching seeing Carter come out.   Though I feel like if they can bring Connor back, we should be able to get AJ in one of these reunions, since he wasn't even in The Fosters finale and we badly need closure on his character!   I assume he hasn't blown up like Noah... Love Stef and Lena, wish they still had a show! 

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On 3/11/2021 at 10:00 PM, KaveDweller said:

I like Jamie as a character, but I agree he and Callie are not compatible.  I think what Callie saw in him was that she thought he was hot. And he is good for her to debate with, and Callie loves to argue her values. 

I think Callie thought Jaime was hot and was attracted to his intelligence (and he is smart and hot!); but I agree with you, I don’t think they are compatible for a variety of reasons. I was absolutely so angry at Callie for what she did to Jaime- she was wrong, as a candidate for the bar in the state of CA AND a girlfriend. 
 

On 3/23/2021 at 1:38 AM, Glade said:

This was a really sweet reunion episode.  It was interesting and unexpected seeing Connor again (glad he got away from his abusive father back then!), and it was touching seeing Carter come out.   Though I feel like if they can bring Connor back, we should be able to get AJ in one of these reunions, since he wasn't even in The Fosters finale and we badly need closure on his character!   I assume he hasn't blown up like Noah... Love Stef and Lena, wish they still had a show! 

I too would love AJ, as well as Mike, Anna and their kids (I consider Anna’s second daughter to be Mike’s given he’s raising her). Why wouldn’t he be at the goodbye dinner, or at least an excuse. 
 

 

On 3/11/2021 at 10:00 PM, KaveDweller said:

It sounded like the foster kid's little sister was a half sister....the kid referred to "her mother" and not "our mother." But I don't remember the details of who the kid was living with after he left Lena and Steph. He couldn't be 18 already, could he?

No Cory isn’t 18, he’s probably 13/14. In the series finale of The Fosters, his Mom had gotten herself together and asked him if he wanted to live with her again (Stef and Lena had thought about adopting him). He went back to live with his mother but kept in touch with Stef and Lena. Likely things are going well, but his Mom is likely not a fit foster parent (or may not have the space), and his little paternal half sister was being cared for by her grandmother, and is now entering the foster care system. 
 

I appreciated the call back to Frankie, that was a very moving episode of The Fosters. 

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