Getting to Genoa You All Over Again: Y&R Daily Chat

[MollyB]

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:03 AM, Waldo13 said:

 If Nick didn’t misspeak his line that should have been 6 weeks,

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More like six days.  But then the Show has a way of f*cking around with timelines.

 

  On 3/17/2025 at 12:27 AM, Denize said:

gaping "O" and her eyes bugging out, usually while saying nothing,

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which is my description of a Blow-up Sex Doll.

 

  On 3/17/2025 at 6:14 AM, lilmarysunshine said:

He has run through almost every woman on the show - Sharon, Phyllis, Sally, Chelsea.

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I didn't watch the show for a long time after the death of Delhia so I may have missed Nick and Chelz.  I'm having a hard time imagining that.  What was happening to get them together?

[lilmarysunshine]

  On 3/17/2025 at 3:37 PM, MollyB said:

More like six days.  But then the Show has a way of f*cking around with timelines.

 

which is my description of a Blow-up Sex Doll.

 

I didn't watch the show for a long time after the death of Delhia so I may have missed Nick and Chelz.  I'm having a hard time imagining that.  What was happening to get them together?

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Maybe I am confusing him with his long-lost brother Dylan. It was also around the MC Sage “Hammertoe” time, I think. 

Edited March 17 by lilmarysunshine

[ScoobieDoobs]

Idk, when Traci asked Alan/Dead-Martin about that dinging phone, he got a really skeery look on his mug, like he was gonna bop her.  Run, Traci, run!

Er, despite all the continuing big talk on Abbott Communications, it’s still a bunch of babble & hooey & nothing.  Has Billy done a stitch of work on it, other than a press release?  And Phyllis sounded like her usual loony self, rambling about it.

[Waldo13]

Billy👃 keep going on about Manic Phyllis🕷️ you’re just putting your foot in your mouth and giving Sally food for thought. 

 

Talking about putting your foot in your mouth, Martin/Allen is doing a very good job at that with Tracy.  I now think it’s Martin because of him talking about how someone will feel about a person taking over another person’s identity.  Poor Tracy.  

 

 

[SweePea59]

I've been sort of watching this lousy crapfest again. I didn't catch Friday and today I see that those two idiots were rescued and Sharinsane is bussing tables in the coffeehouse. Huh? I guess Esther needed a day off to go get her coffee grounds read. At least Sharinsane changed her blouse.

Too bad for Traci. It feels like they are going to rush through her story with this good looking creep.

[Tippi]

Why does this show have to ruin the good looking older men they bring on?  Cameron Kirsten (Linden Ashby), Martin/Alan, Tucker (not so old, but very good,) the guy who played Jeremy, Robert Newman--these are the ones who come to mind.  These guys are good actors, attractive, and interesting stories could be written for them.  Traci, Ashley, Phyllis, and Sharon could all use a new good romance.

JG must think he's writing for Dexter and must have a new big bad every month.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Sharon mentioned tightly hugging Faith when she was able to return home. Why isn't Faith back at college? Is she on spring break? Geez, Sharon's perpetual troubles are costing Faith her education.

Sally seems to have has accepted that her relationship with Billy will include random intrusions by Phyllis. Ehh.

Meanwhile, I liked how the wardrobe people had the foresight to put Sally in a green outfit today.

Wow, Billy was quite upset over what Phyllis went through in the kidnapping. Hmm.

Daniel was wearing green too. And Summer was drinking a green martini. Erin go bragh! ☘️

Phyllis rolled her eyes when she said Chance was looking out for her. We know, Red, we know. Chance's protection is a small comfort. Microscopic.

Dear writers, you keep tossing around the words "ironic" and "irony." I do not think those words mean what you think they mean. They aren't synonyms for "twisted" and "weirdness." 🙄

Sharon suspects the kidnapper has advanced learning in psychology. She's right but it still doesn't explain how Alan/Martin knew so much about Phyllis and Sharon's shared history.

Uh oh, Traci caught Alan/Martin in a lie about him not using his phone for fear of hacking. And then she caught him in one about events back in Paris. Traci, stop talking!

Whee, Billy was staring at Phyllis like, "I actually used to sleep with this nutbag." Guess Phyllis is about to become a stage 5 clinger.

Looks like Traci may be the next kidnapping victim. OMG, Traci, you better not even leave the Central time zone with that monster, much less get on a private jet to Europe.

[One Tough Cookie]

Oh Chansome, looking fine in his detective mode, flashing his official badge for all of us to g et a look at his ahem, nether parts. And if you were in charge why didn't have your officers keep Nick and {whoever} AWAY  from the crime scene.  A capable lawyer {not Michael} could poke holes in that bigger than Swiss chasse.  But go on with your bad self.  Wonder if he wears that badge in bed...inquiring minds want to know.

Oh Traci, wipe the stars out of your eyes and see Alan/Not Alan for the psycho he his.  You deserve so much better.

Hope to see Cassa Abbott this week as I am so over Sharon and her immobile face Filthles over- acting.

Edited March 18 by One Tough Cookie

[Kemper]

  On 3/17/2025 at 10:19 PM, Tippi said:

Why does this show have to ruin the good looking older men they bring on?  Cameron Kirsten (Linden Ashby), Martin/Alan, Tucker (not so old, but very good,) the guy who played Jeremy, Robert Newman--these are the ones who come to mind.  These guys are good actors, attractive, and interesting stories could be written for them.  Traci, Ashley, Phyllis, and Sharon could all use a new good romance.

JG must think he's writing for Dexter and must have a new big bad every month.

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I have a theory about this. Show will just not allow a handsome/charismatic man between the ages of Nick and Victor. Look what they have done with Adam. And all mentioned in the above post. It is kind of discouraging. Victor (contrary to popular belief) will not be on forever. There is not one actor, right now, who can drive story - whether we like it or not. 

[One Tough Cookie]

  On 3/18/2025 at 12:44 AM, Kemper said:

There is not one actor, right now, who can drive story - whether we like it or not.

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We should demand the return of Tucker.

[Denize]

  On 3/17/2025 at 11:15 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Sharon suspects the kidnapper has advanced learning in psychology. She's right but it still doesn't explain how Alan/Martin knew so much about Phyllis and Sharon's shared history.

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Sharon let Alan/Martin hypnotize her a couple of times to get her to remember what happened when Heather was killed and she was deemed innocent of murder. Martin may have questioned her about other aspects of her life when she was under.

[Joimiaroxeu]

  On 3/18/2025 at 2:15 AM, Denize said:

Sharon let Alan/Martin hypnotize her a couple of times to get her to remember what happened when Heather was killed and she was deemed innocent of murder. Martin may have questioned her about other aspects of her life when she was under.

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Which might allow Alan/Martin to know things from Sharon's point of view but I don't think it would explain how he'd know anything about Phyllis that didn't involve Sharon. Besides what would've been in media archives, anyway.

  On 3/18/2025 at 12:56 AM, One Tough Cookie said:

We should demand the return of Tucker.

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I got no problem making those kinds of demands. They keep having characters mention him, including new ones like Holden. He's being kept in viewers' minds for a reason. Tucker's not dead and he's not in prison, and he has a grandson in GC. And he kills a pair of slim jeans. Bring back Tucker, Show!

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[Joimiaroxeu]

  On 3/18/2025 at 12:44 AM, Kemper said:

Show will just not allow a handsome/charismatic man between the ages of Nick and Victor.

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Yep, and I'd pin most of the blame on EB. He refuses to retire and can't risk having his status as Victor undermined. Note that the CBS website for Y&R still has him depicted as the star of the show. MTS and PB are his co-stars.

 

[surfgirl]

  On 3/18/2025 at 4:52 AM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Yep, and I'd pin most of the blame on EB. He refuses to retire and can't risk having his status as Victor undermined. Note that the CBS website for Y&R still has him depicted as the star of the show. MTS and PB are his co-stars.

 

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EB really needs to be retired. Leave with whatever shred of dignity is left dude,  excuse you're just an angry, grumbling, blackberry swiping mumblemaniac now. 

Today was ridonks! And we now know for sure that we're dealing with Dead Martin. Once he waxed on about having his identity stolen we knew. BFD. 

[MollyB]

  On 3/17/2025 at 11:15 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

but it still doesn't explain how Alan/Martin knew so much about Phyllis and Sharon's shared history.

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He probably spent a few hours with Esther and she filled him in. (All he had to do was mention in front of her the animosity between Phyllthe and Sharon and she would go to town on the history.) Or  he stood around the eateries/drinkeries of GC while everyone was airing their laundry.  Or maybe it was pillow talk with Traci about what fun GC would be if they lived there.  Or he reviewed 'press conferences' and media coverage from the last 10 years.  The GC Library (yes, it exists!) probably has a whole wing devoted to the Rich People's History and Legacies.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Hey Pomp, why you needlessly poking da bear?  Stick to workin’ on your hair, bud, cuz you’re way out-matched with Vic!

Sheesh, such judgey, judgey, judgey looks on Lils’ & Devon’s mugs when they spot Audra with Holden, eh?  These 2 uptight much?  Oh please, you 2!

[Joimiaroxeu]

Is today the first time Hayley Erin (Claire) has appeared in the Y&R opening credits, or is it just the first time I noticed her there?

[Waldo13]

Claire/Eve it’s time to dump Kyle and take up with Holden or to get Chance to forget about Summer❄️x6😾😾😾.  Even the bartender at the GCAC would be a better choice.

Summer❄️x6😾😾😾’s flirting with Kyle is 🤢🤮.  It’s 🥁Tara, Tara, Tara🥁 time!!  

It must be very hard for Devon and Lily to sit on hard chairs when they have puckered ass holes. 

 

[Ladybugnine]

  On 3/18/2025 at 7:31 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Is today the first time Hayley Erin (Claire) has appeared in the Y&R opening credits, or is it just the first time I noticed her there?

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I noticed Damian in them too, and asked myself the same thing.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Been gettin’ the strong feeling Audra has been way squelching her true personality with Natey Nate.  Sheesh, what a choice for poor Audra — hangin’ with super boring Natey & angry bro Damian, or with smokin’ hot Holden, who’s ready to drink, party & have fun.  Hmmm, that was the first time I’ve seen Audra having fun since she hooked up with Natey.

And yeah, it was shocking to me that Lils & angry widdle Devon could sit, with those long, long sticks up their butts!

Edited March 19 by ScoobieDoobs

[One Tough Cookie]

I'm bored.  And totally jealous that Audra can wear those bodcon dresses. But girl, get away from Nate and get back to business because, frankly, you're boring.  Or at lease re-hook with Holden.  I want the back story

Summer, you obviously got your passive aggression from your dear demented mother.

[Joimiaroxeu]

What day was this in GC? Summer was in the same blue slip dress but everyone else had on a different outfit from the last time we saw them.

And once more, Claire walked up on Summer and Kyle having a moment.

Love the way Claire not only acts unbothered by Summer using Harrison to distract Kyle, she compliments Summer on being such a good mother. Summer has no idea how much out of her league she is when it comes to Claire.

AFAIC Holden needs to stop making lame excuses to Audra for why he still hasn't left town. He and Damien probably could've rented a car and driven back to L.A. by now.

Lol, how many layers of clothing did Damian have on today? He must have a separate suite at the GCAC just for his clothes. 😼

Claire told Kyle she had a hair appointment right after work. The goofy hairdo jokes will write themselves, tee hee.

Guess who was straight up reading their lines off the props again?

Something felt iffy to me about Nate dropping everything to go to Chicago with Damian. Holden didn't seem too surprised when he watched Audra get the call from Nate. Hmm.

GMAFB, Holden. Chips and salsa and margaritas are not an iconic L.A. meal. The entire southwestern part of the US is pointing and laughing at you.

Lily being snarky after noticing Audra and Holden seated together in Society. Yawn. I think she's pretty much been reduced to serving as an exposition device.

Hey, Kyle, if Victor wants you to be with Summer because you share a child with her, maybe you should have a kid with Claire. I mean, an infant would have priority over a kindergartener, right? 🙄

[lgprimes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 11:08 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

I mean, an infant would have priority over a kindergartener, right?

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Especially a kindergartener who has no Newman blood in him.  Tara please come reclaim him ASAP!

[Joimiaroxeu]

  On 3/19/2025 at 5:41 AM, lgprimes said:

Especially a kindergartener who has no Newman blood in him.  Tara please come reclaim him ASAP!

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Yep, no Newman blood, plus Harrison has Abbott blood (allegedly*). In Victor's book that's a double whammy.

*Allegedly because I still suspect Harrison is actually Theo Vanderway's kid. Tara and the med tech who took the blood samples for the DNA test looked to be up to something underhanded. I think Tara knew it would be better for her in the long run if Harrison was an Abbott, so she paid the med tech to alter the DNA test results.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Scenes with The Cryer & The Weasel = źzzzzzzzzz.

Hmmm, real difficult for the brainiac Abbotts to figure out something is up with Alan/Dead-Martin, eh?  He gets a zillion alerts from a facility that’s been closed for years & where S&P were held hostage, and then quickly high-tails it back to Paris.  Jackie didn’t seem to think anything was too wrong.  He & Diane were all smiles.  Dopes!

Guess from the previews, Traci finally sees the light?  Dead Martin reveal next week?

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[boes]

  On 3/18/2025 at 9:59 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

And yeah, it was shocking to me that Lils & angry widdle Devon could sit, with those long, long sticks up their butts!

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Practice.  Those two have had years of practice.  I'm sorry to see Lily revert almost completely to Miss Snoot, but Devon's been pretty much the same - with some much appreciated detours - since Dru and Neil adopted his entitled behind.  

Posture at any price.

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[Js Nana]

  On 3/17/2025 at 3:37 PM, MollyB said:

I may have missed Nick and Chelz.

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They were together during the 2017-2018 and 2019-2020 seasons, but they've been exes who are friends since then - "Chick" was the nickname given to their relationship.

[Js Nana]

  On 3/19/2025 at 5:39 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

Alan/Dead-Martin

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Although I really think that it was Martin who survived the fall, I wouldn't be all that surprised that it was, in fact, Alan who survived the fall and that rather than being a case of good twin/evil twin, this is a case of evil twin/evil twin.

[Js Nana]

  On 3/19/2025 at 5:39 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

Traci finally sees the light?

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My interpretation is that when Traci says that Alan Laurent isn't the man she thought he was, she isn't actually questioning if he is Alan Laurent, she's questioning a change in his behavior.

 

[Denize]

  On 3/18/2025 at 11:08 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Lol, how many layers of clothing did Damian have on today? He must have a separate suite at the GCAC just for his clothes. 😼

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Are periwinkle blue business suits and lavender raincoats for men in vogue now? They are eye catching. Perhaps he couldn't decide which to wear, so wore all 3 pieces, even indoors.

Edited March 19 by Denize

[Waldo13]

OMG!  Can’t anyone in GC fly commercial. I’m sure Martin/Allen and Traci can afford a first class ticket.  Well I guess Martin/Allen could but only one ticket. 

Nick🦍 wants Sharon to spend time with her kids but a Sharon said, Noah and Faith are his kids also. When was the last time Nick🦍 saw Noah?  You would think that he would want to go. 

Summer❄️x6😾😾😾 just has to intrude on Nick🦍 and Sharon. She can’t play the Harrison card so she uses the Manic Phyllis🕷️ card. Summer❄️x6😾😾😾 goes to Nick🦍 because she’s worried about her mother.  Couldn’t she just as easily go to Bill👃 or Daniel?  I’m pretty sure she just wanted to become between Nick🦍 and Sharon. 

Chance better find out that Martin/Allen was the culprit before he goes to Paris because Traci is most likely to disappear.  Thankfully it seems like Martin/Allen is abandoning Traci and fleeing to Paris by himself. 

🥁Tara! Tara! Tara! 🥁

 

 

[One Tough Cookie]

I wonder if, no I shudder to think Sharon's trip to see Noah is code for more face work.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I’m sticking with my hunch, this is Dead Martin — the hint being that Alan was very buttoned up & consistently quite formal in his manner before any mention of Martin.  And Alan had just about zero sense of humor & he was pretty dull & passive, if seemingly thoughtful & nice.

And this guy, who way too quickly pursued Traci?  He does have an assertive/effusive personality, which Alan NEVER showed any evidence of before.  Now, could Show throw a wrench at us & say Alan went nuts after he “killed” Martin & then developed his personality?  Maybe.  But I think this guy seems like such a smarmy con artist in the way he’s been pursuing Traci, I’m betting he’s Dead Martin.

I’m more interested in the explanation of how Alan/Dead-Martin knows or cares about the history of S&P.  I just know the stupidity will make us cringe!

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[One Tough Cookie]

  On 3/19/2025 at 10:56 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

’m more interested in the explanation of how Alan/Dead-Martin knows or cares about the history of S&P.  I just know the stupidity will make us cringe

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Didn't real Alan say his brother read all his patient notes?  I don't know if he had permission, or did it surreptitiously?

[Joimiaroxeu]

Jack said, "Brides blush, fiancées glow." Okay.

Flying to Paris tonight to marry Alan/Martin, Traci? What's the hurry, is he pregnant?

Nick, the reason Sharon hasn't seen Noah in months is because he's a slacker. Maybe if his mommy gets kidnapped 47 more times he'll finally come back to GC.

Traci listed the many husbands she's had over the years. Yeah, all those Abbotts are messy, lol.

What's this new thing with Chelsea and Adam cooking for each other? Anyways, IMO the cake Chelsea served to Adam looked vile. Too dry yet oily. 🤮

Poor Sharon. Nick basically told her he'd be willing to play her rescuing hero--as needed--but he is not trying to be with her romantically again.

Kyle. You almost wrecked Traci's joy by suggesting a connection between the kidnapping and the alerts she saw on Alan/Martin's phone. Bad nephew! 😉

Was anyone anxious to see another try-hard boudoir scene between Chelsea and Adam? Bueller?

Geez, Summer seems to be turning into a professional c-blocker. First Claire and Kyle, next Sharon and Nick. Hey Chance, come get your girl ex.

CBS Sports is preempting our stories Thursday and Friday. Boo, hiss!

Edited March 19 by Joimiaroxeu
eat 'em up, coogs!

[boes]

  On 3/19/2025 at 8:25 PM, Js Nana said:

They were together during the 2017-2018 and 2019-2020 seasons, but they've been exes who are friends since then - "Chick" was the nickname given to their relationship.

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Hmpf. I didn't know that.  I always used the nickname "Cluck" for their relationship.  It just seemed to be a natural combination of "Chelsea" and that dumb **uck".

Different strokes!

  On 3/19/2025 at 11:14 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Geez, Summer seems to be turning into a professional c-blocker. First Claire and Kyle, next Sharon and Nick. Hey Chance, come get your girl ex.

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Finally, though, finally, something in her skill set.

Are sure "Marchetti" doesn't translate as limp?

[rcc]

  On 3/19/2025 at 10:35 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

I wonder if, no I shudder to think Sharon's trip to see Noah is code for more face work.

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I thought the same thing!

[Snaporaz]

Adam's haircuts go from bad to worse.  That doozy of a half pipe on his head today made me wish I was still a teenage skate punk.  We probably should have had one of those B&W flashbacks explaining Chelsea's terrible birthday cake, because I'd totally forgotten it.  It would have been more romantic if the cake was just as terrible this time, but Adam ate it anyway.

[Denize]

  On 3/19/2025 at 11:14 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Kyle. You almost wrecked Traci's joy by suggesting a connection between the kidnapping and the alerts she saw on Alan/Martin's phone. Bad nephew! 😉

Was anyone anxious to see another try-hard boudoir scene between Chelsea and Adam? Bueller?

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I was glad that Traci started wondering about Alan/Dead-Martin.  And no, the blah-blah-blahing and try-hard boudoir scene did not do a thing for me. It is why I record the show so I can 4X FFwd through their boring scenes.

[NinjaPenguins]

Adam and Chelsea are the worst. My lord, that conversation was dreadful, filled to the brim with cliches and insipid memories that wouldn’t make the cut in a Hallmark script. You could get more sparks by rubbing two icicles together. And if someone could pay the electric bill at Raunch II, that would be fantastic.

Love how Nick needs to know that he’s still got Sharon on the hook. Somehow, they still had a better conversation than the tripe between Chelsea and Adam.

Can someone get Summer to be more specific about how her mother is off? That’s Phyllis’ default setting. Is she calmly going about her business, being kind and polite and acknowledging that people besides her have feelings?

I feel like Martin and Alan might both be alive. I’m probably wrong, but sometimes the energy is different, I dunno. 

[Sake614]

  On 3/19/2025 at 11:08 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

Didn't real Alan say his brother read all his patient notes?  I don't know if he had permission, or did it surreptitiously?

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Well yeah but that was in Paris, long before Alan ever stepped foot in GC. Neither Phyllis nor Sharon had ever seen or heard of him at that point, and I’m quite sure Ashley had far more important things to discuss with him than Phyllis falling down a flight of stairs eleventy billion years ago.

[MollyB]

  On 3/20/2025 at 11:31 AM, NinjaPenguins said:

I feel like Martin and Alan might both be alive.

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That thought crossed my mind, too, especially since we didn't have a funeral for Martin, but the whole 'changed shirts before everybody got down to the street' was a little hard for me to buy.  My thoughts are that Alan has taken on his brother's persona out of guilt for killing him and is heading for a major PTSD breakdown any minute.  His GoodAlan side responds positively to Traci, but his BadMartin side just wants to fuck with everyone.  Why he picked Sharon and Phlyylthe?  Haven't a clue.

 

  On 3/19/2025 at 11:14 PM, Joimiaroxeu said:

Flying to Paris tonight to marry Alan/Martin, Traci? What's the hurry, is he pregnant?

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My first reaction was "why are you going to make your whole clan traipse off to Paris right away (or was she even going to invite them)?  How rude!" and then she said Alan was just going ahead to make a 'special' venue for their wedding. (involving a crypt, chains and massive doses of hypnotics.) Well, she didn't get to pick out the ring, either, so I guess she doesn't need to participate in planning her own wedding.  And just because I'm curious- how does "he has gone to fix the hack on his phone" make any sense?  This is something he couldn't let the love of his life tag along on?  Where did he go?  A TMobile store that only allows phone owners in?  He couldn't hand this off to the Computer Genius Phyllthe?  (Oh, right......)

I hate March Madness.

Edited March 20 by MollyB
It needed to be said

[One Tough Cookie]

  On 3/20/2025 at 11:31 AM, NinjaPenguins said:

feel like Martin and Alan might both be alive. I’m probably wrong, but sometimes the energy is different, I dunno. 

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Maybe he's in another basement in the psyc building!

[surfgirl]

  On 3/20/2025 at 3:34 PM, MollyB said:

  On 3/20/2025 at 11:31 AM, NinjaPenguins said:

I feel like Martin and Alan might both be alive.

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That thought crossed my mind, too, especially since we didn't have a funeral for Martin, but the whole 'changed shirts before everybody got down to the street' was a little hard for me to buy.  My thoughts are that Alan has taken on his brother's persona out of guilt for killing him and is heading for a major PTSD breakdown any minute.  His GoodAlan side responds positively to Traci, but his BadMartin side just wants to fuck with everyone.  Why he picked Sharon and Phlyylthe?  Haven't a clue.

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This both are alive co ceot is interesting but waaaay too nuanced for JG ti handle.No way could he pull that off. It's definitely Dead Martin I think.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I dunno, Show luvs, luvs, luvs split personality storylines.  So while I still think this is Dead Martin, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be Alan with a split personality.

Btw, why has Ash gone MIA for.what seems like 10 years?  ED going in for major tune-up of nips, tucks & who knows what else?

The S&P connection continues to bug the heck outta me cuz I can’t come up with how they’re gonna explain that one . . .

[boes]

  On 3/20/2025 at 11:31 AM, NinjaPenguins said:

Adam and Chelsea are the worst. My lord, that conversation was dreadful, filled to the brim with cliches and insipid memories that wouldn’t make the cut in a Hallmark script. You could get more sparks by rubbing two icicles together.

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They are the worst.  Absolutely.

For a second I thought their initial scene was a newsbreak to announce At-Home Euthanasia had been legalized.  Then we had to suffer all the way through to Death By Dessert.

Schools that advocate abstinence should make their students sit through an endless loop of Adam and Chelsea and over-population would be yesterday's news.

Edited March 20 by boes

[NinjaPenguins]

  On 3/20/2025 at 3:34 PM, MollyB said:

My thoughts are that Alan has taken on his brother's persona out of guilt for killing him and is heading for a major PTSD breakdown any minute.  His GoodAlan side responds positively to Traci, but his BadMartin side just wants to fuck with everyone

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I think that would be quite good and prevent Traci from being utterly humiliated while giving her a decent story. I suspect all those things are well beyond Griffith’s abilities. I know I’ll never buy someone taking a header off a balcony, breaking their arm and having the wherewithal to change shirts in the seconds it took for Tucker to sprint outside. 

[MollyB]

  On 3/20/2025 at 7:13 PM, NinjaPenguins said:

I think that would be quite good and prevent Traci from being utterly humiliated while giving her a decent story.

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It would also allow GoodAlan to go to rehab and get well.  Traci would be by his side through all of it and they might just come out of it with a decent relationship.  She gets to keep the ring, right?

[surfgirl]

Stupid question buyt, did we ever really see both bros together in Paris? 

[One Tough Cookie]

  On 3/20/2025 at 5:13 PM, ScoobieDoobs said:

I dunno, Show luvs, luvs, luvs split personality storylines.  So while I still think this is Dead Martin, I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out to be Alan with a split personality.

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-Scoobs, that's what my has been feeling for a while, some guilt threw him into a split personality.

At times, he seems to adore Traci and sometimes he seems really uncomfortable with her,  T I thought he was just uncomfortable with working with a new actress at times.