S04.E15: Chapter Seventy-Two: To Die For

[Bort]

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Alice begins shooting a documentary about Riverdale and the latest mystery involving one of its own. Meanwhile, Betty, Archie and Veronica fall deeper into a web of lies as the investigation gets underway.

Airdate: Wednesday, March 4, 2020

[Demian]

General question that has nothing to do with this episode, which just started airing:

Why the hell aren't they siccing the gang they all belong to on the little preppie shits who may or may not have murdered Jughead? A couple of Southside Serpents whipping Bret and Donna with chains and some socks stuffed with batteries should end this pointless feud with a quickness.

[HeatLifer]

😘

[Josh371982]

If they launch Barchie by them cheating on Jughead and Veronica then fuck both of them. It wont go over well with the audience I think except the Crazy portion Barchie Stans who want them together no matter what it looks like. I've seen some Barchie fans actually wanting Jug dead

Edited March 5, 2020 by Josh371982

[Chaos Theory]

Unpopular opinion but disappointed that Jughead isn't really dead.

Behold Cheryl the destroyer of endgames

"Something about all this"..... Ya think Donna?

I know Riverdale is small and incestuous but should FP really be investigating his own son’s murder especially when the main suspects are his sons gf and best friend?

 

[Josh371982]

3 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Unpopular opinion but disappointed that Jughead isn't really dead.

Behold Cheryl the destroyer of endgames

"Something about all this"..... Ya think Donna?

I know Riverdale is small and incestuous but should FP really be investigating his own son’s murder especially when the main suspects are his sons gf and best friend?

 

I'm glad Jug isnt dead.  I'm getting so sick of Donna and Bret

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Unpopular opinion but disappointed that Jughead isn't really dead.

I didn’t want him dead but I did want the story to be more mysterious and last until at least the end of the season. But obviously Cole needs to work and be in the episodes, so...lol.

[Auror]

I figured Barchie stuff was a set up BUT... the showrunner is definitely setting up possible real Barchie in the future (maybe). Both Jughead and Veronica wondered what they were feeling while acting and the Barchie text exchange seemed... a bit more emotionally intimate than you would expect between just two platonic friends. It is possible foreshadowing. Actually it could go either way which is clever. They can just leave it or have Barchie figure out they do have residual romantic feelings for each other. 
 

[Bulldog]

I still don't understand why, if everyone was in on Jughead faking his death, did they all keep up the charade when they were alone?  Did they think they were being watched or bugged? This group doesn't exactly strike me as a bunch of method actors.  Probably best not to think about it too much. 

At least Cheryl regrets calling Jughead a hobo.  Really regrets it.   

[BarbieMermaidia]

Wtf was that? I figured Jug wasn't really dead in some fashion, but last week's events make no sense now. Like did Betty really forget what happened? Why would they have all been so nervous amongst themselves? 

[HeatLifer]

15 minutes ago, Auror said:

I figured Barchie stuff was a set up BUT... the showrunner is definitely setting up possible real Barchie in the future (maybe). Both Jughead and Veronica wondered what they were feeling while acting and the Barchie text exchange seemed... a bit more emotionally intimate than you would expect between just two platonic friends. It is possible foreshadowing. Actually it could go either way which is clever. They can just leave it or have Barchie figure out they do have residual romantic feelings for each other. 
 

Oh, that ending was foreshadowing 101. I’m so glad they finally had the balls to do it and play around with this story. 

[Auror]

27 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Oh, that ending was foreshadowing 101. I’m so glad they finally had the balls to do it and play around with this story. 

I am too. I would be shocked if Barchie is not explored. At the very least, this episode is proof the showrunner has not slammed the door on Barchie romantically. 

[Lady Calypso]

Well, I guess I'm not surprised that they decided to say "screw it" and reveal Jughead's fate at this point. I don't think anyone was really buying that Jughead was truly dead, so they had Donna voice it and then revealed it to the audience. At least that mystery is done.

I see that they're hinting at Barchie once again. Here's the thing; I wouldn't hate it if the show decided to mix things up for next season. Why? Well, because the show hasn't really explored Barchie at all, not after they hinted at them early in season 1 before Bughead/Varchie became popular. 

I don't think Barchie would ever stick together, and I do think that, ultimately, exploring Barchie kind of ruins the Core Four in ways that it shouldn't. But...eh, it's Riverdale. Crazier things have happened. 

Well, the gang sold their fake sadness better this episode than the last. Well, at least Betty did. This was truly a much better episode. It was much more fun to watch. Plus, I laugh at the fact that Alice ended up being the last one to know the truth.

Donna's a great villain and I have to laugh at Bret's comments about Archie, but I'm also quite ready to move on from them as villains.  

[Chaos Theory]

Honestly I think  Brett and Donna have been the best villains this show has had in awhile.  

Edited March 5, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[Josh371982]

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

Oh, that ending was foreshadowing 101. I’m so glad they finally had the balls to do it and play around with this story. 

Seems rushed and out of nowhere to me plus makes Betty and Archie very unlikeable if it happens 

[Josh371982]

40 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

Well, I guess I'm not surprised that they decided to say "screw it" and reveal Jughead's fate at this point. I don't think anyone was really buying that Jughead was truly dead, so they had Donna voice it and then revealed it to the audience. At least that mystery is done.

I see that they're hinting at Barchie once again. Here's the thing; I wouldn't hate it if the show decided to mix things up for next season. Why? Well, because the show hasn't really explored Barchie at all, not after they hinted at them early in season 1 before Bughead/Varchie became popular. 

I don't think Barchie would ever stick together, and I do think that, ultimately, exploring Barchie kind of ruins the Core Four in ways that it shouldn't. But...eh, it's Riverdale. Crazier things have happened. 

Well, the gang sold their fake sadness better this episode than the last. Well, at least Betty did. This was truly a much better episode. It was much more fun to watch. Plus, I laugh at the fact that Alice ended up being the last one to know the truth.

Donna's a great villain and I have to laugh at Bret's comments about Archie, but I'm also quite ready to move on from them as villains.  

I really don't get why Barchie needs to be explored. But then I never get shows gross need for a circle of friends to all screw each other. Its gross and could(should) ruin friendships. Barchie being started by them cheating on Jug and Veronica isnt a good way to explore it. I dont wanna despise Betty and Archie the characters 

[Advance35]

I could see Archie and Jughead getting past this at some point.  I don't see Veronica getting past it.  

She's WAY to soft and she seems to always be easily be fooled by Archie.  I don't mind Veronica being a seething antagonist to the Archie-Betty-Jughead triangle, she can have occasional warm fuzzy moments with Chuck Clayton (bring back the hottest guy on Riverdale please), Reggie Mantle, Hiram and Hermione.

And continuous frenemy interaction with Cheryl/Toni.

[Josh371982]

22 minutes ago, Advance35 said:

I could see Archie and Jughead getting past this at some point.  I don't see Veronica getting past it.  

She's WAY to soft and she seems to always be easily be fooled by Archie.  I don't mind Veronica being a seething antagonist to the Archie-Betty-Jughead triangle, she can have occasional warm fuzzy moments with Chuck Clayton (bring back the hottest guy on Riverdale please), Reggie Mantle, Hiram and Hermione.

And continuous frenemy interaction with Cheryl/Toni.

Yeah BARF and No thanks to a Archie/Betty/Jughead triangle. I fucking hate Triangles and dont want to despise Betty . But I'm not one of those fans that it sadly entertains.  Cant stand shipper wars and if they stay in character I can't see Jug getting past it either. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Josh371982

[Snookums]

3 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I know Riverdale is small and incestuous but should FP really be investigating his own son’s murder especially when the main suspects are his sons gf and best friend?

Let's ask Mary, who apparently is both a defense and business contract attorney! Remember, in Riverdale all lawyers know about/practice every form of the legal profession just like every Professor is an expert in everything from Ancient Egypt to quantum physics in monster movies.

But yeah, that is super ridiculous. Hiram deciding on Jug's (fake) funeral as the place to tell FP to take some time is typically him and this show, but FP should never have been within a country mile of this entire thing from an investigating standpoint. Any actual lawyer would have pointed that out in a hot second.

(I am hugely amused at Betty/FP/Jellybean all keeping this from Alice and watching her run around with her cameras and shit the whole time.)

Why the hell was Hermosa helping Ronnie with anything? Does she think uncovering Donna's Enormous Secret  will get R to leave town or something? Why go through all this investigating and then throw in with Core Four? 

I do NOT want any kind of love triangle crap, but since even this show can't pretend they can stay in high school/Riverdale for much longer I assume they're trying to set up Long Distance Relationship Dramas. Blah.

Nice to see so many past players in Alice's documentary: Hi, Nana Rose! You can tell that actress is having a ball with her crazed gothic granny lines and outfits. "Riverdale was booorn in blooooood and has bathed in it ever since!" 

Hi Pops! When are you going to see the light and move out of this lunatic asylum?

Hi Reggie! Miss you actually being on the show but you proved your comic chops once again!

Hi Kevin! Man, you scored multiple scenes here! Thank you, show, for not bringing up the whole tickle porn grossness again. 

Hi, Toni and Cheryl! Great to see you both; both Toni's eyelash game and Cheryl's overbearing nuttery get an airing in a very Riverdale way; not to mention the whole "totally NOT JEALOUS" face and statement from Cheryl, right before being the most honest person in town about Jug's death. Sorry I called you a hobo. FINE, I'm REALLY sorry, okay? My lipstick is perfect!

Donna and Brett snapping like old candy canes is fun to watch. Also, did they kill Johnathan? Did anybody know he was dead? Has anyone reported him missing? 

3 minutes ago, Snookums said:

 

 

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, Auror said:

I am too. I would be shocked if Barchie is not explored. At the very least, this episode is proof the showrunner has not slammed the door on Barchie romantically. 

And it’s a good choice to do it that way. I’d like to see Barchie finally admit there is something....there....to each other’s faces. That doesn’t mean it’ll last or go anywhere, but they’ve teased this time and time again. It’s not...nothing. And it opens the door to possibilities in Season 5.

Or, like, someone pls allow Archie to be single. He practically is anyway with his phone background of Vegas. 🤣

[thuganomics85]

So, the pieces are finally coming together!  Sort of...

It what is probably the least surprising news out of all television, Jughead is totally not dead and simply faked it, because, snerk!  Betty actually did hit him with a rock while being mind-controlled, but luckily for him, the beanie cushioned the blow.  That's right, Jughead's freaking beanie apparently is made out of such strong material that getting smashed upside the head with a rock was apparently only a mild inconvenience!  Bwah, that is awesome!  But, anyways, he is in hiding, and Betty/Veronica/Archie are covering it up, and pretending he is dead, in order to prove Donna and Bret were actually behind it.  Well, pretty much all of their parents now know, but other than that, everyone else is totally in the dark!

But wait!  In order to maintain their cover, Archie and Betty have to pretend to be a couple now, which is totally making things complicated, since even though they claim it is nothing, they can't help but to wonder if it is something more.  While both Jughead and Veronica pretend that they aren't jealous, but well....

Alice's documentary didn't really reveal anything two interesting, although it's nice that the show actually remembered Toni and Jughead were close at one point (ah, the days when Toni was allowed to be more than just Cheryl's beau.  Memories!)  And, of course, Reggie (welcome back!) would be pissed if Jughead isn't dead, because no one would be able to ever top that prank.  Never change, Reggie!

You seem like a nice guy, Pop, but you are old enough to know that Riverdale has always been a cesspool of crime, horrors, and violence.  Just ask Nana Rose!

FP finally quits being the sheriff.  I wonder who will assume the mantle next?!  At this point, being the sheriff of Riverdale is like being the Defense of the Dark Arts professor from Harry Potter.  Honestly, I vote Hiram to just say "fuck it!" and make himself both mayor and sheriff, because it's not like anyone in this silly town would stop him.

Veronica and Hermosa keep trying to out-smug one another.  Yawn!  Bored with the Lodge family drama.

Watching Bret and especially Donna continue to unravel is satisfying at least.

We still have three episodes left, right?  I wonder what in the hell they'll going to pull out of their crazy hat now.

 

[Snookums]

 Betty actually did hit him with a rock while being mind-controlled, but luckily for him, the beanie cushioned the blow. 

Wait, though, did Betty actually hit him or was it Johnathan (who is now apparently DEAD, WHAT THE HELL) and she just found the rock and picked it up?

[Josh371982]

58 minutes ago, Snookums said:

 Betty actually did hit him with a rock while being mind-controlled, but luckily for him, the beanie cushioned the blow. 

Wait, though, did Betty actually hit him or was it Johnathan (who is now apparently DEAD, WHAT THE HELL) and she just found the rock and picked it up?

Betty didn't hit him it was Johnathan. Brett said when it was just him and his master That they "killed" Jughead. 

[ruby24]

This was actually the first episode since Season 1 where I thought they might be thinking about entertaining the possibility of Betty and Archie again, and it was because of that scene of them texting each other, and that it took place AFTER both of them reassuring Veronica and Jughead.

The only problem I see with that is that after all this time cementing the other two couples (more so Betty and Jughead, because I can easily see Veronica and Archie breaking up again- they hardly share scenes together as it is), having Betty and Archie actually do anything seems like it would completely torpedo the friendship between any two of the foursome.

So I'm not sure if they'd go through with it. Maybe that scene was there just to tease it as "always a possibility," as a nod to comics canon or something.

[Bulldog]

4 hours ago, Snookums said:

Johnathan (who is now apparently DEAD, WHAT THE HELL)

Wait!  Did I somehow miss this? 

[Josh371982]

1 hour ago, Bulldog said:

Wait!  Did I somehow miss this? 

Maybe lol. When Donna is threating Brett near the end of the episode she says shes the brains of the operation and that she could kill him like with Jonathan 

[Chaos Theory]

If BArchie does happen I can see THIS be what pulls Veronica back into the sphere of her father and half sister again and their never ending cycle of revenge.   I mean a pissed off Veronica unleashed on a half crazy Betty.

Might be fun.

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[HeatLifer]

4 hours ago, ruby24 said:

So I'm not sure if they'd go through with it. Maybe that scene was there just to tease it as "always a possibility," as a nod to comics canon or something.

I don’t think anything will actually happen until Season 5 possibly. If by chance the story does continue in the last couple episodes of S4, I could see Archie saying something but then Betty’s like, “Why now!? I’m with Jug now, sorry.” Cue angst and tears and a Varchie breakup in the finale because Archie can’t be with her when he feels whatever for Betty.*

*All my theories end with a Varchie breakup because yes

[AnimeMania]

15 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

I know Riverdale is small and incestuous but should FP really be investigating his own son’s murder especially when the main suspects are his sons gf and best friend?

Only if FP married Alice, and Jughead married Betty, then FP would be investigating his daughter and daughter-in-law which crosses a line. But the sister and wife are always at the top of the murder suspect list.

Was Cheryl in on the plan, or was Cheryl just being Cheryl? 

Didn't Toni imply she slept with Jughead? I remember her telling Jughead to suck rocks.

12 hours ago, Snookums said:

Why the hell was Hermosa helping Ronnie with anything? Does she think uncovering Donna's Enormous Secret  will get R to leave town or something? Why go through all this investigating and then throw in with Core Four? 

Hermosa is super nosey and feels like she can know everything about anyone. She cracked the kids in underwear mystery, the Barnard University mystery,now she has the Donna killed Jughead mystery. I wish they had made Hermosa "Nancy Drew" over this Ghost Whispering wannabe they have now.

I missed the part about a dead Johnathan, could you detail what happened in this murder, the only thing I got was they laced Betty with Devil's Breath, hit Jughead in the head with a rock, then handed Betty the murder rock, then dipped a rock in Jughead's blood and handed Betty another murder rock. Then Betty, Archie and Veronica hid Jughead's not so dead body? Went skinny dipping and then streaked all the way home?

Edited March 5, 2020 by AnimeMania

[allonsyalice]

1 minute ago, AnimeMania said:

Was Cheryl in on the plan, or was Cheryl just being Cheryl? 

I think Cheryl was just craving chaos. 

[Chaos Theory]

I think it was a mix of Cheryl genuinely caring about Betty but also craving chaos.   She definitely wasn’t in on the plan.   Betty knew she was eves dropping at Pops when everyone was spreading gossip that Jughead was still alive so she “cried” in Archie’s arms in full view of Cheryl who the very next day had a memorial at Jughead’s locker.   Then caught Betty and Archie in a lip lock.     I am guessing this was all part of Betty’s scheme to convince everyone Jughead was dead.   

Edited March 5, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[SourK]

Glad to see Alice is still the worst journalist. Alternative title for her documentary: You know who's still alive? Kevin! ft. Reggie, Pop Tate, and not Jonathan, I guess.

I think my favourite part of the documentary was actually when she started interviewing Veronica about whether she thought Archie was going to cheat on her with Betty. Like, imagine if your best friend's mom was holding a camcorder and saying this to you.

13 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I see that they're hinting at Barchie once again. Here's the thing; I wouldn't hate it if the show decided to mix things up for next season. 

If they jump forward in time, like some people are speculating, then I could see them mixing up all the pairings to give themselves a fresh start -- even if the ships ultimately come back to this arrangement in the end.

11 hours ago, Snookums said:

But yeah, that is super ridiculous. Hiram deciding on Jug's (fake) funeral as the place to tell FP to take some time is typically him and this show, but FP should never have been within a country mile of this entire thing from an investigating standpoint. Any actual lawyer would have pointed that out in a hot second.

I loved how, after FP went from 0 to "Screw you I quit!" Hiram just stood there and straightened his jacket like, "That went way, way better than I thought." Now he can just get a new Sheriff and he doesn't have to be responsible for ousting the old one.

11 hours ago, Snookums said:

Hi Pops! When are you going to see the light and move out of this lunatic asylum?

I loved how Pop looked so happy talking about Riverdale and Alice was just like, "That must make it extra hard to live with all the murders." You don't know that, Alice. Maybe he loves Riverdale because he loves living on the Hellmouth. Don't make assumptions.

New theory: Riverdale takes place in a hellish pocket universe created by the demon Pop to torture people for self-absorbed.

 

[Chaos Theory]

When it comes to Bughead vs BArchie I think it comes down to shipper mentality. I have seen shows where two characters were paired together in season one but then one or both were paired with another person who they had far more chemistry with but there was a group of holdouts who think that the original intended pairing is the “true pairing”.   Regardless of whatever else happens.   I actually do think that is what BArchie is.   The show had them down for this big romance but then Bughead happened and Betty and Jughead have this smoking hot chemistry so Archie was paired of with Veronica instead.    The show may circle back every once in awhile but it would shoot itself In the foot of it ever took Betty and Archie seriously.  

Edited March 5, 2020 by Chaos Theory

[Cranberry]

The whole triangle situation reminds me so much of Dawson's Creek. Childhood best friends, the girl has a crush on the guy, the guy falls for the new girl from New York, the girl ends up with the boy's best friend and they become the biggest couple on the show. (Also, the girl clearly becomes the writers' favorite character and essentially the main character of the show.) Joey and Pacey were "endgame," and I bet Betty and Jughead are too.

Personally, I don't really care about any of the relationships on this show, so I don't care who's "endgame," but I do think it's shitty when a group of friends play relationship musical chairs, especially if there's cheating involved. I've liked how the show has never really played Betty and Veronica against each other, and I'd hate to see that get messed up.

I knew Jughead wasn't dead, but I appreciated that Donna made me question that conviction just a little bit when she figured it out. She and Bret really have been fun villains that I love to hate.

[HeatLifer]

It doesn’t really matter why a shipper wants to see or likes Pairing X, Y, Z. We all have our reasons.

[HeatLifer]

10 minutes ago, Cranberry said:

Joey and Pacey were "endgame,"

No one knew Pacey and Joey were endgame until it actually happened. The problem with Riverdale is Bughead and Varchie fans have been stating this since practically the beginning. It really shouldn’t be like that on this type of TV show. There should be a bit of spontaneity and unpredictability. There’s no fun if you already know how it all will unravel, how the journey will come to fruition. It’s almost like watching a basketball game and knowing how it ends before you start watching. 

[opus]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

It’s almost like watching a basketball game and knowing how it ends before you start watching. 

I actually enjoy a game more if I know my team wins 😀

[HeatLifer]

Just now, opus said:

I actually enjoy a game more if I know my team wins 😀

I’m a huge sports fan and have to watch in real-time. The end & possibly overtime is never as fun when you know. 🙌🏼

[HeatLifer]

7 minutes ago, MollyWebber said:

If you take that away (permanently) you are messing with the TPTB's future $$$ because it would impact series & episode sales and merchandising.

No one is taking away anything permanently by visiting other pairings and storylines for half a season or whatever length. More popular couples than Bughead have broken up. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by HeatLifer

[ruby24]

If they're going to just throw it in the Stoney's faces that Jughead is actually alive next week after all this effort, (because they found other evidence against them or whatever) then the entire point of this episode was really just to tease a possible Betty/Archie pairing.

Shows like this are known for constantly mixing and matching couples, but this one really hasn't done that up til now, which kind of surprises me. They haven't wavered on Betty and Jughead at all in four seasons, and even Archie and Veronica, when they were broken up- if anyone wanted to root for Reggie and Veronica they didn't really let you, because it was never in doubt that Veronica would always prefer Archie no matter what. Which I thought was a mistake tbh- they could have at least tried to create some suspense by letting Veronica actually like Reggie too..I mean why not? Especially because once they got back together, Archie and Veronica haven't really had that many scenes or storylines together...it's obvious which couple the show prefers to spend screentime on.

Personally, I think if they wanted to split Betty and Jughead for a while it shouldn't be because of Archie. 

[HeatLifer]

12 minutes ago, ruby24 said:

Personally, I think if they wanted to split Betty and Jughead for a while it shouldn't be because of Archie. 

I don’t think he will be the reason. Betty will choose Jughead if it even comes down to it this season. It’s what happens after that will be interesting. Or what circumstances pop up in the season finale or a new season.

12 minutes ago, ruby24 said:

then the entire point of this episode was really just to tease a possible Betty/Archie pairing.

Pretty much; like is anyone even talking about Jughead’s story anymore, lol? It just depends how much they’ll expand on it now or in Season 5, IMO. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by HeatLifer

[Auror]

Yes, I don’t think they are touching Betty and Archie romantically the rest of the season. We might see some confusion from one or both (most likely Archie) but my guess is there will be a time jump next season and at that point they can do whatever. They might immediately do the time jump and tell us that Veronica is in New York City and Archie is in Riverdale and they broke up due to distance. So I think if they go there with Betty and Archie it will be when the 3 to 5 year time jump is in place. 
 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Auror

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, Auror said:

We might see some confusion from one or both (most likely Archie

Yeah, I think it’ll mostly be Archie and he either does 1 of 3 things: 1) Stays in denial, 2) Acknowledges it but keeps it to himself to protect the others, 3) Tells Betty and she’s like, hell naw. 😘

12 minutes ago, Auror said:

Veronica is in New York City and Archie is in Riverdale and they broke up due the distance

Praise.

Edited March 5, 2020 by HeatLifer

[Auror]

38 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Yeah, I think it’ll mostly be Archie and he either does 1 of 3 things: 1) Stays in denial, 2) Acknowledges it but keeps it to himself to protect the others, 3) Tells Betty and she’s like, hell naw. 😘

Praise.

Yes, there could be a tease in the season finale of Barchie. Archie admits to Betty he has romantic feelings for her that he’s tried to deny. Betty responds either positively or still confused. Then the time jump happens and we either see them already together or on their way. 

LOL. It really would be the realistic way to break Varchie up. 

Where the sensitivity exists is Jughead/Betty/Archie. These are three childhood friends so hopefully it is done in a way that doesn’t ruin friendships. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Auror

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, Auror said:

Betty responds either positively or still confused.

I kind of want her to yell at him. Possibly angrily cry. Just a crushing rejection. I’m a sucker for angst, can you tell?

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, MollyWebber said:

just wouldn't work otherwise because they would villainize Archie and Betty.

 

10 minutes ago, MollyWebber said:

how does Archie go from Veronica to Betty without looking like a complete asshole?

For some people, it’s always going to look bad. But let’s just say they’re going to continue this particular plot this season. They’ve already started it in a way that was completely incidental & coincidental. Betty and Archie kissed as part of a ruse and oops...did it mean more? None of this was planned or what they wanted or set out to do. This also doesn’t mean either of them are going to leave their relationships. We’re skipping too far ahead into the potential story. Maybe it’s one sided feelings? Maybe Archie never admits to anything? There are several possible outcomes than Archie just up and leaves Ronnie cold and Betty flips off Jughead.

13 minutes ago, MollyWebber said:

Lord knows what would have happened with Joaquin had he not been immediately stabbed afterwards.

😛

[rmontro]

4 hours ago, ruby24 said:

If they're going to just throw it in the Stoney's faces that Jughead is actually alive next week after all this effort, (because they found other evidence against them or whatever) then the entire point of this episode was really just to tease a possible Betty/Archie pairing.

Sounds just like this show to orchestrate such an elaborate scheme, just to toss it aside and waste it.  Betty kept talking about the Stoneys making a mistake.  My guess is Donna is too smart for that, there's no mistake, and Jughead abandons the ruse.

My problem with Donna and Bret as villains is that we still don't know their motivations.  It's hard to get too invested in them as characters without knowing what's driving them.  Are they being jerks just because they like to be jerks?  Doesn't sound like it.  As it is, for me anyway, it's starting to wear thin.

I have no interest in seeing Betty and Archie, that just seems like lazy writing.  I guess when you have such mega super hotties like these two, a play acted kiss can quickly kindle into something more.  

What is FP going to do now that he isn't sheriff?  I actually thought that was a good role for him, I was sorry to see him quit.

[tennisgurl]

I am shocked, shocked to find out that Jughead isnt actually dead! Shocked I say! Well at least they didnt drag it out for too terribly long, I did love Donna becoming a sort of audience surrogate for a second, yelling at Betty to just admit that they are obviously up to something and that Jughead is alive, and everyone else coming to agree. I still dont know if all of this was really needed just to take down the preppies, and all of the subterfuge is really over the top, even by this shows standards! They were even keeping it up when they were alone, did they think that Donna and Brett were using a bug in their bedroom to listen...actually I can totally see that happening, never mind! At least they seemed to be doing a better job at selling their fake grief this week, last week they all acted like freaking robots with faulty programming.

So are they kind of playing with the idea of Barchie? I can kind of get it, as the Archie/Betty/Veronica love triangle and Archie switching between them is one of the more famous aspects of the comics, but I hate the idea of date swapping between friends, its just so weird and can lead to so many hurt feelings. I mean, even though Archie and Veronica and Jughead and Betty have basically been in different shows until now, they are all still technically best friends, making inter-dating way too complicated. I dont think it will happen this season, but maybe next?

Nana Rose should clearly be a part of every documentary ever. "Its bathed in blood! Blooooood!" Alice's documentary should have been called "tons and tons of murders in a small death trap of a town" as I think its been made clear that this place is built on a particularly gothic hellmouth. I did like seeing the interviews with a bunch of the supporting characters, like of course Reggie is just pissed that Jughead pulled the ultimate prank, and I am amazed that the show remembers that Toni and Jughead used to be close, back when Toni had stuff to do other than be Cheryl's girlfriend. Speaking of Cheryl, of course she wears a veil to Jugheads funeral, and both comforts Betty and sends pics of her and Archie kissing just to start shit. Cheryl is just chaotic neutral like that. 

Archie awkwardly covering his chest when Veronica's sister was checking him out was hilarious. Oh Archie. 

The parents reactions to their kids being accused of murder were all so them. 

Hiram: Stands angrily in a corner saying denying Veronica is involved.

Mary: Keeps telling Archie not to say anything and being full lawyer and protective mom. 

Alice: Tells Betty that she always figured that Betty would black out and beat someone to death one of these days. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by tennisgurl

[rmontro]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

I hate the idea of date swapping between friends, its just so weird and can lead to so many hurt feelings.

It's a terrible betrayal, especially the way it's been set up.

 

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Alice: Tells Betty that she always figured that Betty would black out and beat someone to death one of these days. 

Lol.

Everything's Archie! (the theme song, I mean).

[Snookums]

4 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

" Alice's documentary should have been called "tons and tons of murders in a small death trap of a town" as I think its been made clear that this place is built on a particularly gothic hellmouth.

Alice is particularly qualified to make this doc considering she MURDERED SOMEONE and used Jughead, Betty and FP to cover it up. Love how she keeps deflecting her own psychosis onto poor Bets! "I'm not saying you did it on purpose, honey!"