Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[lookeyloo]

I don't know if y'all will be able to open this without a subscription, but, I found it interesting in light of Carlin's issues -

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/magazine/jeavons-syndrome-diagnosis.html

[Salacious Kitty]

The article is paywalled. Can you summarize? 

[ranchgirl]

I couldn't access the story.  

Carlin appears to be over the filming.    In the Q&A video, she seemed bored, fidgety and didn't want to answer the questions.  And then in the vacation video, she was pretty much absent and when she did say something because Evan asked her a question, she hardly gave the camera any time.  

[lookeyloo]

DIAGNOSIS

She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?

She was a young athlete who suffered frequent head injuries. Her family assumed that was the cause of her strange symptoms — then she had a seizure.

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Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

By Lisa Sanders, M.D.

Oct. 13, 2022

“What just happened?” The 16-year-old girl’s voice was flat and tired. “I think you had a seizure,” her mother answered. Her daughter had asked to be taken to the pediatrician’s office because she hadn’t felt right for the past several weeks — not since she had what looked like a seizure at school. And now she’d had another. “You’re OK now,” the mother continued. “It’s good news because it means that maybe we finally figured out what’s going on.”

To most people, that might have been a stretch — to call having a seizure good news. But for the past several years, the young woman had been plagued by headaches, episodes of dizziness and odd bouts of profound fatigue, and her mother embraced the possibility of a treatable disorder. The specialists she had taken her daughter to see attributed her collection of symptoms to the lingering effect of the many concussions she suffered playing sports. She had at least one concussion every year since she was in the fourth grade. Because of her frequent head injuries, her parents made her drop all her sports. 

Even when not on the playing field, the young woman continued to fall and hit her head. The headaches and other symptoms persisted long after each injury. She saw several specialists who agreed that she had what was called persistent post-concussive syndrome — symptoms caused either by a severe brain injury or, in her case, repeated mild injuries. She should get better with time and patience, the girl and her mother were told. And yet her head pounded and she retreated to her darkened room several times a week. She did everything her doctors suggested: She got plenty of sleep, rested when she was tired and tried to be patient. But she still got headaches, still got dizzy. She found it harder and harder to pay attention. For the past couple of years, it had even started to affect her grades. 

Early in September, the mother got a call from her daughter’s high school. Her daughter was ill and needed to go home. “What happened?” her mother asked her later. The girl answered: “I don’t know. I was in class; it had just started. The next thing I knew, class was almost over and everyone was standing around me.” That evening one of the girl’s friends sent the mother a text. I want to tell you what I saw, he said. They were in class, and he noticed that his friend’s hand started to shake. She seemed kind of zoned out, and she was drooling. It only lasted a minute or so, but it was strange, the boy said. 

Fearing her daughter may have had a seizure, the mother looked for a specialist. She found one in Stamford, a half-hour south of their home in suburban Connecticut. This doctor made an odd request: Keep your daughter awake the night before the appointment. She would need an EEG, and fatigue can lower the threshold to have a seizure and make the problem easier to find, he explained. But the test was normal. She may have had a seizure, the neurologist said, but these are often isolated events. 

A Very Strange Night 

But just a few weeks later, on that visit to the pediatrician, it happened again, and right in front of the doctor. After hearing that she might have had another seizure, the young woman had another question. “Can I still go to homecoming?” she asked.

“Absolutely,” the doctor answered. The mother was a little surprised, but pleased. Maybe this really was good news. 

That evening, after the girl left to go to the homecoming dance, the doctor called. “That wasn’t a seizure your daughter had in my office,” he told her. “I think it was a panic attack.” After a seizure, he explained, patients usually have a period of severe fatigue and confusion. “No one who’s had a seizure asks about going to homecoming,” he said. She had been breathing heavily before her strange episode in his office. He thought she was hyperventilating — something that can occur before a panic attack — and gave her a paper bag to breathe into. She had barely put the bag to her lips when she started flailing her arms and legs. Panic attacks are common, especially in this age group. She should probably see a psychiatrist, he added. 

Hearing this, the mother was stunned. This doctor had been the family’s pediatrician since their son, now 23, was born. He had always been great — the kind of doctor who always goes the extra mile. But this time the mother was certain he was wrong. 

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The young woman was home that night by 8:30. She spent barely 20 minutes at the dance. The music was too loud, she told her questioning parents. The flashing lights gave her a headache. She went straight to bed. Hours later her mother eased open the door to her daughter’s room, to check on the girl before going to bed herself. As she gazed at her daughter, the young woman began to shake. It wasn’t the wild flailing she saw in the doctor’s office. It was like the kind of shaking chills you might get from a fever, but more so. The episode lasted only a few seconds. The mother, far too worried to go to her own bed, lay down next to her daughter to wait for the strange shaking to recur. 

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She was awakened a couple of hours later. The entire bed seemed to be moving. Her daughter’s eyes were closed, and her body was shaking. Again, it lasted only seconds. Was this a seizure? She jumped out of bed and called the pediatrician. The mother didn’t know the doctor who called her back, and she wasn’t reassured by the doctor’s reminder that her daughter had a similar episode that day that was thought to be a panic attack, not a seizure. Hanging up, the mother felt terribly alone. Who would know what she should do? Suddenly she remembered the neurologist who did the EEG. He’d said that it might have been an isolated episode. But clearly it wasn’t. Who has heard of a panic attack happening in the middle of the night?

That neurologist wasn’t on call, she was told by the answering service, but someone would call her back. A few minutes later, her phone rang and a lightly accented voice identified the caller as Dr. Cigdem Akman. She was a pediatric neurologist from the NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan. The mother recounted the long day’s events. After describing what happened at the pediatrician’s office she paused, then added, “Her doctor thought it was a panic attack, but my daughter has never been one to lose her head.” Then she described the bed shaking she saw and felt that evening. 

“I have no doubt that your daughter is having seizures,” the doctor told the mother. There was nothing that needed to be done right then, but her daughter should be evaluated. Akman would arrange for her to be seen in the video EEG lab. A 48-hour study could reveal what was going on. 

Image

Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

One Visible Abnormality 

Mother and daughter traveled to the hospital’s epilepsy-monitoring unit two days later. In the first 24 hours she was monitored, she had eight seizures, one while awake and seven when sleeping. During the seizure when she was awake, the young woman was able to walk and talk intelligibly. The only obvious abnormality was her eyes. She blinked rapidly several times, then her chin lifted slightly and her eyes rolled back. It lasted only seconds but the EEG showed the presence of a type of generalized seizure called an “absence seizure” — characterized by a lack of attention. The strange eye movements indicated a rare type of absence-seizure disorder called Jeavons syndrome. She was immediately started on a potent antiseizure medication. 

Jeavons was first described in 1977. It usually starts in childhood, though is frequently not diagnosed until adolescence. It is much more common in girls than boys. Affected children have seizures that are very brief, lasting only a few seconds, but often occur many times a day. Untreated, these seizures can impact learning. And they can change from absence seizures to tonic-clonic or grand mal seizures, as this young woman’s had. It took a few months for Akman to find the right medications for her, but since starting that medication, she has had no seizures at all. 

Once her seizures were under control, she stopped having accidents. The headaches disappeared. So did the fatigue and dizziness. For much of her life, the young woman was known to have episodes of inattention. These had been attributed to her many concussions. Now it was clear that many, if not most, of them were actually seizures. On the antiseizure medication, the young woman’s grades went up. She is now a junior in college, majoring in neuroscience.

Lisa Sanders, M.D., is a contributing writer for the magazine. Her latest book is “Diagnosis: Solving the Most Baffling Medical Mysteries.” If you have a solved case to share, write her at Lisa.Sandersmdnyt@gmail.com.

A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 16, 2022, Page 16 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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25 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

I don't know if y'all will be able to open this without a subscription, but, I found it interesting in light of Carlin's issues -

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/13/magazine/jeavons-syndrome-diagnosis.html

When did Carlin experience multiple concussions ? 

[lookeyloo]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

When did Carlin experience multiple concussions ? 

I don't think the concussions were part of the issue?  Did I miss that. 

[Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, lookeyloo said:

I don't think the concussions were part of the issue?  Did I miss that. 

The girl in the article suffered yearly concussions as a child when she played sports. Did Carlin?

[lookeyloo]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

The girl in the article suffered yearly concussions as a child when she played sports. Did Carlin?

Okay. My mistake I'll try and delete it. My thought was there are obscure conditions that aren't always obvious. Sorry for confusion 

15 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

DIAGNOSIS

She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?

She was a young athlete who suffered frequent head injuries. Her family assumed that was the cause of her strange symptoms — then she had a seizure.

Give this article

120

Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

By Lisa Sanders, M.D.

Oct. 13, 2022

“What just happened?” The 16-year-old girl’s voice was flat and tired. “I think you had a seizure,” her mother answered. Her daughter had asked to be taken to the pediatrician’s office because she hadn’t felt right for the past several weeks — not since she had what looked like a seizure at school. And now she’d had another. “You’re OK now,” the mother continued. “It’s good news because it means that maybe we finally figured out what’s going on.”

To most people, that might have been a stretch — to call having a seizure good news. But for the past several years, the young woman had been plagued by headaches, episodes of dizziness and odd bouts of profound fatigue, and her mother embraced the possibility of a treatable disorder. The specialists she had taken her daughter to see attributed her collection of symptoms to the lingering effect of the many concussions she suffered playing sports. She had at least one concussion every year since she was in the fourth grade. Because of her frequent head injuries, her parents made her drop all her sports. 

Even when not on the playing field, the young woman continued to fall and hit her head. The headaches and other symptoms persisted long after each injury. She saw several specialists who agreed that she had what was called persistent post-concussive syndrome — symptoms caused either by a severe brain injury or, in her case, repeated mild injuries. She should get better with time and patience, the girl and her mother were told. And yet her head pounded and she retreated to her darkened room several times a week. She did everything her doctors suggested: She got plenty of sleep, rested when she was tired and tried to be patient. But she still got headaches, still got dizzy. She found it harder and harder to pay attention. For the past couple of years, it had even started to affect her grades. 

Early in September, the mother got a call from her daughter’s high school. Her daughter was ill and needed to go home. “What happened?” her mother asked her later. The girl answered: “I don’t know. I was in class; it had just started. The next thing I knew, class was almost over and everyone was standing around me.” That evening one of the girl’s friends sent the mother a text. I want to tell you what I saw, he said. They were in class, and he noticed that his friend’s hand started to shake. She seemed kind of zoned out, and she was drooling. It only lasted a minute or so, but it was strange, the boy said. 

Fearing her daughter may have had a seizure, the mother looked for a specialist. She found one in Stamford, a half-hour south of their home in suburban Connecticut. This doctor made an odd request: Keep your daughter awake the night before the appointment. She would need an EEG, and fatigue can lower the threshold to have a seizure and make the problem easier to find, he explained. But the test was normal. She may have had a seizure, the neurologist said, but these are often isolated events. 

A Very Strange Night 

But just a few weeks later, on that visit to the pediatrician, it happened again, and right in front of the doctor. After hearing that she might have had another seizure, the young woman had another question. “Can I still go to homecoming?” she asked.

“Absolutely,” the doctor answered. The mother was a little surprised, but pleased. Maybe this really was good news. 

That evening, after the girl left to go to the homecoming dance, the doctor called. “That wasn’t a seizure your daughter had in my office,” he told her. “I think it was a panic attack.” After a seizure, he explained, patients usually have a period of severe fatigue and confusion. “No one who’s had a seizure asks about going to homecoming,” he said. She had been breathing heavily before her strange episode in his office. He thought she was hyperventilating — something that can occur before a panic attack — and gave her a paper bag to breathe into. She had barely put the bag to her lips when she started flailing her arms and legs. Panic attacks are common, especially in this age group. She should probably see a psychiatrist, he added. 

Hearing this, the mother was stunned. This doctor had been the family’s pediatrician since their son, now 23, was born. He had always been great — the kind of doctor who always goes the extra mile. But this time the mother was certain he was wrong. 

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The young woman was home that night by 8:30. She spent barely 20 minutes at the dance. The music was too loud, she told her questioning parents. The flashing lights gave her a headache. She went straight to bed. Hours later her mother eased open the door to her daughter’s room, to check on the girl before going to bed herself. As she gazed at her daughter, the young woman began to shake. It wasn’t the wild flailing she saw in the doctor’s office. It was like the kind of shaking chills you might get from a fever, but more so. The episode lasted only a few seconds. The mother, far too worried to go to her own bed, lay down next to her daughter to wait for the strange shaking to recur. 

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She was awakened a couple of hours later. The entire bed seemed to be moving. Her daughter’s eyes were closed, and her body was shaking. Again, it lasted only seconds. Was this a seizure? She jumped out of bed and called the pediatrician. The mother didn’t know the doctor who called her back, and she wasn’t reassured by the doctor’s reminder that her daughter had a similar episode that day that was thought to be a panic attack, not a seizure. Hanging up, the mother felt terribly alone. Who would know what she should do? Suddenly she remembered the neurologist who did the EEG. He’d said that it might have been an isolated episode. But clearly it wasn’t. Who has heard of a panic attack happening in the middle of the night?

That neurologist wasn’t on call, she was told by the answering service, but someone would call her back. A few minutes later, her phone rang and a lightly accented voice identified the caller as Dr. Cigdem Akman. She was a pediatric neurologist from the NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan. The mother recounted the long day’s events. After describing what happened at the pediatrician’s office she paused, then added, “Her doctor thought it was a panic attack, but my daughter has never been one to lose her head.” Then she described the bed shaking she saw and felt that evening. 

“I have no doubt that your daughter is having seizures,” the doctor told the mother. There was nothing that needed to be done right then, but her daughter should be evaluated. Akman would arrange for her to be seen in the video EEG lab. A 48-hour study could reveal what was going on. 

Image

Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

One Visible Abnormality 

Mother and daughter traveled to the hospital’s epilepsy-monitoring unit two days later. In the first 24 hours she was monitored, she had eight seizures, one while awake and seven when sleeping. During the seizure when she was awake, the young woman was able to walk and talk intelligibly. The only obvious abnormality was her eyes. She blinked rapidly several times, then her chin lifted slightly and her eyes rolled back. It lasted only seconds but the EEG showed the presence of a type of generalized seizure called an “absence seizure” — characterized by a lack of attention. The strange eye movements indicated a rare type of absence-seizure disorder called Jeavons syndrome. She was immediately started on a potent antiseizure medication. 

Jeavons was first described in 1977. It usually starts in childhood, though is frequently not diagnosed until adolescence. It is much more common in girls than boys. Affected children have seizures that are very brief, lasting only a few seconds, but often occur many times a day. Untreated, these seizures can impact learning. And they can change from absence seizures to tonic-clonic or grand mal seizures, as this young woman’s had. It took a few months for Akman to find the right medications for her, but since starting that medication, she has had no seizures at all. 

Once her seizures were under control, she stopped having accidents. The headaches disappeared. So did the fatigue and dizziness. For much of her life, the young woman was known to have episodes of inattention. These had been attributed to her many concussions. Now it was clear that many, if not most, of them were actually seizures. On the antiseizure medication, the young woman’s grades went up. She is now a junior in college, majoring in neuroscience.

Lisa Sanders, M.D., is a contributing writer for the magazine. Her latest book is “Diagnosis: Solving the Most Baffling Medical Mysteries.” If you have a solved case to share, write her at Lisa.Sandersmdnyt@gmail.com.

A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 16, 2022, Page 16 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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16 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

DIAGNOSIS

She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?

She was a young athlete who suffered frequent head injuries. Her family assumed that was the cause of her strange symptoms — then she had a seizure.

Give this article

120

Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

By Lisa Sanders, M.D.

Oct. 13, 2022

“What just happened?” The 16-year-old girl’s voice was flat and tired. “I think you had a seizure,” her mother answered. Her daughter had asked to be taken to the pediatrician’s office because she hadn’t felt right for the past several weeks — not since she had what looked like a seizure at school. And now she’d had another. “You’re OK now,” the mother continued. “It’s good news because it means that maybe we finally figured out what’s going on.”

To most people, that might have been a stretch — to call having a seizure good news. But for the past several years, the young woman had been plagued by headaches, episodes of dizziness and odd bouts of profound fatigue, and her mother embraced the possibility of a treatable disorder. The specialists she had taken her daughter to see attributed her collection of symptoms to the lingering effect of the many concussions she suffered playing sports. She had at least one concussion every year since she was in the fourth grade. Because of her frequent head injuries, her parents made her drop all her sports. 

Even when not on the playing field, the young woman continued to fall and hit her head. The headaches and other symptoms persisted long after each injury. She saw several specialists who agreed that she had what was called persistent post-concussive syndrome — symptoms caused either by a severe brain injury or, in her case, repeated mild injuries. She should get better with time and patience, the girl and her mother were told. And yet her head pounded and she retreated to her darkened room several times a week. She did everything her doctors suggested: She got plenty of sleep, rested when she was tired and tried to be patient. But she still got headaches, still got dizzy. She found it harder and harder to pay attention. For the past couple of years, it had even started to affect her grades. 

Early in September, the mother got a call from her daughter’s high school. Her daughter was ill and needed to go home. “What happened?” her mother asked her later. The girl answered: “I don’t know. I was in class; it had just started. The next thing I knew, class was almost over and everyone was standing around me.” That evening one of the girl’s friends sent the mother a text. I want to tell you what I saw, he said. They were in class, and he noticed that his friend’s hand started to shake. She seemed kind of zoned out, and she was drooling. It only lasted a minute or so, but it was strange, the boy said. 

Fearing her daughter may have had a seizure, the mother looked for a specialist. She found one in Stamford, a half-hour south of their home in suburban Connecticut. This doctor made an odd request: Keep your daughter awake the night before the appointment. She would need an EEG, and fatigue can lower the threshold to have a seizure and make the problem easier to find, he explained. But the test was normal. She may have had a seizure, the neurologist said, but these are often isolated events. 

A Very Strange Night 

But just a few weeks later, on that visit to the pediatrician, it happened again, and right in front of the doctor. After hearing that she might have had another seizure, the young woman had another question. “Can I still go to homecoming?” she asked.

“Absolutely,” the doctor answered. The mother was a little surprised, but pleased. Maybe this really was good news. 

That evening, after the girl left to go to the homecoming dance, the doctor called. “That wasn’t a seizure your daughter had in my office,” he told her. “I think it was a panic attack.” After a seizure, he explained, patients usually have a period of severe fatigue and confusion. “No one who’s had a seizure asks about going to homecoming,” he said. She had been breathing heavily before her strange episode in his office. He thought she was hyperventilating — something that can occur before a panic attack — and gave her a paper bag to breathe into. She had barely put the bag to her lips when she started flailing her arms and legs. Panic attacks are common, especially in this age group. She should probably see a psychiatrist, he added. 

Hearing this, the mother was stunned. This doctor had been the family’s pediatrician since their son, now 23, was born. He had always been great — the kind of doctor who always goes the extra mile. But this time the mother was certain he was wrong. 

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The young woman was home that night by 8:30. She spent barely 20 minutes at the dance. The music was too loud, she told her questioning parents. The flashing lights gave her a headache. She went straight to bed. Hours later her mother eased open the door to her daughter’s room, to check on the girl before going to bed herself. As she gazed at her daughter, the young woman began to shake. It wasn’t the wild flailing she saw in the doctor’s office. It was like the kind of shaking chills you might get from a fever, but more so. The episode lasted only a few seconds. The mother, far too worried to go to her own bed, lay down next to her daughter to wait for the strange shaking to recur. 

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She was awakened a couple of hours later. The entire bed seemed to be moving. Her daughter’s eyes were closed, and her body was shaking. Again, it lasted only seconds. Was this a seizure? She jumped out of bed and called the pediatrician. The mother didn’t know the doctor who called her back, and she wasn’t reassured by the doctor’s reminder that her daughter had a similar episode that day that was thought to be a panic attack, not a seizure. Hanging up, the mother felt terribly alone. Who would know what she should do? Suddenly she remembered the neurologist who did the EEG. He’d said that it might have been an isolated episode. But clearly it wasn’t. Who has heard of a panic attack happening in the middle of the night?

That neurologist wasn’t on call, she was told by the answering service, but someone would call her back. A few minutes later, her phone rang and a lightly accented voice identified the caller as Dr. Cigdem Akman. She was a pediatric neurologist from the NewYork-Presbyterian Morgan Stanley Children’s Hospital in Manhattan. The mother recounted the long day’s events. After describing what happened at the pediatrician’s office she paused, then added, “Her doctor thought it was a panic attack, but my daughter has never been one to lose her head.” Then she described the bed shaking she saw and felt that evening. 

“I have no doubt that your daughter is having seizures,” the doctor told the mother. There was nothing that needed to be done right then, but her daughter should be evaluated. Akman would arrange for her to be seen in the video EEG lab. A 48-hour study could reveal what was going on. 

Image

Credit...Photo illustration by Ina Jang

One Visible Abnormality 

Mother and daughter traveled to the hospital’s epilepsy-monitoring unit two days later. In the first 24 hours she was monitored, she had eight seizures, one while awake and seven when sleeping. During the seizure when she was awake, the young woman was able to walk and talk intelligibly. The only obvious abnormality was her eyes. She blinked rapidly several times, then her chin lifted slightly and her eyes rolled back. It lasted only seconds but the EEG showed the presence of a type of generalized seizure called an “absence seizure” — characterized by a lack of attention. The strange eye movements indicated a rare type of absence-seizure disorder called Jeavons syndrome. She was immediately started on a potent antiseizure medication. 

Jeavons was first described in 1977. It usually starts in childhood, though is frequently not diagnosed until adolescence. It is much more common in girls than boys. Affected children have seizures that are very brief, lasting only a few seconds, but often occur many times a day. Untreated, these seizures can impact learning. And they can change from absence seizures to tonic-clonic or grand mal seizures, as this young woman’s had. It took a few months for Akman to find the right medications for her, but since starting that medication, she has had no seizures at all. 

Once her seizures were under control, she stopped having accidents. The headaches disappeared. So did the fatigue and dizziness. For much of her life, the young woman was known to have episodes of inattention. These had been attributed to her many concussions. Now it was clear that many, if not most, of them were actually seizures. On the antiseizure medication, the young woman’s grades went up. She is now a junior in college, majoring in neuroscience.

Lisa Sanders, M.D., is a contributing writer for the magazine. Her latest book is “Diagnosis: Solving the Most Baffling Medical Mysteries.” If you have a solved case to share, write her at Lisa.Sandersmdnyt@gmail.com.

A version of this article appears in print on Oct. 16, 2022, Page 16 of the Sunday Magazine with the headline: She Suffered From Headaches and Fatigue. Were Concussions to Blame?. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe

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Everyone ignore. My mistake. 

[Cinnabon]

Just now, lookeyloo said:

Okay. My mistake I'll try and delete it. My thought was there are obscure conditions that aren't always obvious. Sorry for confusion 

My read was that the girl’s seizures were probably caused by all of her past concussions? I only skimmed the whole article, so maybe I missed something.

[Salacious Kitty]

At the end of the article, they discounted the concussions and diagnosed another condition.

[Cinnabon]

12 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

At the end of the article, they discounted the concussions and diagnosed another condition.

Ah, ok. I thought I may have missed something. 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Heathen]

There are hundreds of different epilepsy syndromes. I have juvenile myoclonic epilepsy. Carlin has factitious disorder "epilepsy."

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

At the end of the article, they discounted the concussions and diagnosed another condition.

The article seemed to suggest that many of her previous falls and injuries, including while playing sports, were perhaps due to having brief seizures that caused her to stumble and fall.  So, it's sort of a chicken or the egg situation.  Certainly serious head injuries can lead to seizure disorders, but having seizures can lead to head injuries.

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12 hours ago, ranchgirl said:

Carlin appears to be over the filming.    In the Q&A video, she seemed bored, fidgety and didn't want to answer the questions.  And then in the vacation video, she was pretty much absent and when she did say something because Evan asked her a question, she hardly gave the camera any time.  

I didn't watch the YT video, but I think as times goes on Carlin's IG DMs are probably much less supportive, and they're likely losing followers. And we know she reads here and possibly Reddit. Even an airhead like Carlin will eventually figure out she's put herself in a hole that's going to be difficult to dig out of, so maybe she's wrestling with that.

[ginger90]

Grunting…

Did you say you are pooping?

I messed.

Are you still pooping ?

Mess.

Are you still going?

I can poop a while.

Are you done?

Yeah.

What did you do?

I pooped.

Good to know.

Do you think we should learn how to poop in the big girl potty? I think that would be a good idea.

No, I don’t like that spot.

Do you like under the coffee table better?

Yeah.

That’s cool.

Screenshot from the video:

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Edited October 17, 2022 by ginger90

[Cinnabon]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I didn't watch the YT video, but I think as times goes on Carlin's IG DMs are probably much less supportive, and they're likely losing followers. And we know she reads here and possibly Reddit. Even an airhead like Carlin will eventually figure out she's put herself in a hole that's going to be difficult to dig out of, so maybe she's wrestling with that.

The entitled, ungrateful little attention whore needs to realize that she encouraged her husband to quit his job, so these videos are now their main income. She needs to suck it up and “perform” and answer her fans’ questions because this is the job she chose. 

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Grunting…

Did you say you are pooping?

I messed.

Are you still pooping ?

Mess.

Are you still going?

I can poop a while.

Are you done?

Yeah.

What did you do?

I pooped.

Good to know.

Do you think we should learn to how to poop in the big girl potty? I think that would be a good idea.

No, I don’t like that spot.

Do you like under the coffee table better?

Yeah.

That’s cool.

Screenshot from the video:

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Sickening exploitation of this poor kid. 😢

[BitterApple]

I just saw Carlin's stories and I'm positively horrified. I can't imagine putting a video of my kid out there while she's literally in the process of crapping her diaper. Does Carlin even consider how embarrassing this will be for Layla when she gets older? And if she's so concerned about potty training, why not put the damn camera down for two seconds and read up on the subject? It's bad enough she exploits her kids for a buck, but at least keep some things private. 

[cereality]

So Carlin’s drs think it’s a good idea to start working out daily since now she can almost always feel episodes coming on + she’s home alone tonight as Evan is at class?? Hmm is this somehow a turn back towards electrician life with a refresher class? I’ll believe it when I see it though - more likely to be some bible class at church.

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, cereality said:

So Carlin’s drs think it’s a good idea to start working out daily since now she can almost always feel episodes coming on + she’s home alone tonight as Evan is at class?? Hmm is this somehow a turn back towards electrician life with a refresher class? I’ll believe it when I see it though - more likely to be some bible class at church.

So, she's home alone? Okey doke.

[GeeGolly]

So its okay to fall into a 20 minute seizure with 2 kids under 3? Or maybe the episodes actually stopped months ago. Lets see if Carlin ever does the 5 day in-hospital EEG.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and guess Evan is taking some kind of editing, film or photography class. Carlin said he was "in his element" doing the "Stewart photoshoot".

[ginger90]

7 hours ago, cereality said:

she’s home alone tonight as Evan is at class??

Did she say she was there alone?

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Did she say she was there alone?

Good point. I don't think she actually said it, but she did imply it.

[farmgal4]

18 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Grunting…

Did you say you are pooping?

I messed.

Are you still pooping ?

Mess.

Are you still going?

I can poop a while.

Are you done?

Yeah.

What did you do?

I pooped.

Good to know.

Do you think we should learn how to poop in the big girl potty? I think that would be a good idea.

No, I don’t like that spot.

Do you like under the coffee table better?

Yeah.

That’s cool.

Screenshot from the video:

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Shame on Carlin!  That’s all kinds of wrong IMO!  Like I’ve said before:  She doesn’t have one lick of common sense.  She doesn’t need children, because she doesn’t have enough sense to raise them properly.  Those poor kids… 😢

[Notabug]

32 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Shame on Carlin!  That’s all kinds of wrong IMO!  Like I’ve said before:  She doesn’t have one lick of common sense.  She doesn’t need children, because she doesn’t have enough sense to raise them properly.  Those poor kids… 😢

It is absolutely shameless that she would post this publicly.  It's not funny, it is not cute; it is exploitative and embarrassing.  Free Layla!

Interesting, isn't it, that Carlin suddenly is interested in potty training her daughter just a couple of days after we were talking about it here?

[cereality]

Clearly Evan isn't cut out to be an electrician. He got through school probably telling himself - oh it's only school, everyone goes to school, it'll end. And yet in the last few years of school which were apprenticing, when he got the taste of actual electrical work being on construction sites all day, being sweaty and hot, and using porta potties, you know he was like nope -- my $150 Cuts joggers are not going into porta johns and these other dudes on this site only ever want to talk about sports and women, doesn't anyone think about the magic that is IG or YouTube or my Cuts pants?? I mean just because his dad wanted his sons in skilled trades, doesn't mean this son is cut out for it. Add to that the unsupportive wife - who BEFORE her health problems - was supposedly crying daily when he left the house and asking him to stay home, he had every reason to step away.

He's into sitting at home in his sweat pants playing with his computers and cameras, so yeah something like video editing would be better for him. He could get a remote job for some company or small business located wherever; those types of jobs tend to be part time but if he's really interested he could work multiple jobs like this for full time income OR he could just hang onto one part time job like this and still have time to goof off at BSB and drive Ms. Daisey to nails and Starbucks mid day. Though only these geniuses would give up a union gig which usually come with amazing health benefits and retirement to do YouTube as a profession . . . . though maybe not, it's a generational thing most likely.

I'm actually suprised that he hasn't hit up bestie Travis for a remote job at their church/school. It hasn't gone unnoticed how much money Trav/his family have + Trav also "works from home" in some sales position attached to said schoo/church yet magically is out and about daily with Katie grocery shopping or working on yard projects or whatever midday. You'd think Evan would be asking Trav/Trav's daddy to be hooked up with a similar gig under the guise of - look I'm SUCH a good husband that I need to be home FT with Carlin plus I'm such a Godly man. But IDK it's possible that Daddy Clark is tight about keeping income within his immediate family and doesn't want to open the door to Trav's 87 brothers in law.

[BitterApple]

In today's installment of Horrible Parenting, Carlin and Layla are at Sephora. Layla was wearing lipstick from the freaking testers, which Carlin put on her. Layla is then pointing to other lipsticks she wants to try on.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that you should never put samples from the makeup counter anywhere close to your mouth or eyes. Those things are a petri dish of germs and bacteria. Not to mention Layla was manhandling all the lipsticks, so now her germs are added to the mix. Does Carlin have common sense in any aspect of her life? 

Edited October 19, 2022 by BitterApple

[ginger90]

[65mickey]

How could she say no to that cute face?  Easy "no Layla do not touch the makeup samples. If you do we will leave the store." And mean it!  Allmost all she ever says to Layla is you're so cute, ugh.

[cereality]

Ewww . . . I wasn't even paying attention to the fact that the makeup on that child's face was from a tester. During an ONGOING pandemic . . . .

It's kind of the same reaction I had when Josie let Willow take a donut from a box and put it on the front door welcome mat for her sister to gnaw on. While the leg humpers were like aww it's what kids do, to me it's like - these people aren't fit to be parents. I understand that you shouldn't be bathing a kid in hand sanitizer all day and that sometimes you can't stop a kid from grabbing a mall lipstick and putting it on their face or eating food off the front porch. But to me that's different than the PARENTS helping them out with this. I mean said donut was sitting on the front door mat where Kelton wipes his feet after plumbing jobs, where the Amazon delivery guy stands 75 times/wk, and where you could see visible bird and/or paint droppings. This lipstick - I don't even want to think about how many people have handled it, smeared the lipstick on their unwashed hands/fingers to see the color, and sure go ahead and put that right on your kid's face.

They are pushing the girly girl angle hard and Layla - like all kids - has realized what gets praise from her parents. She knows that when she's showing off her princess dresses or nail polish or lipstick THAT's when mom and dad gush about how cute she is. You know if she pointed out construction trucks in the mall parking lot, they'd tell her to stop dawdling and move along. You know in their heart of hearts they're pleased when a little girl is interested in dresses, makeup, and hair - whew we're doing something right and readying her for her headship in 15 years. You know they'd be more "worried" about a girl looking at construction trucks - they'd be like hmm what if she turns out gay or something?? Whereas normal people would be like - who knows maybe she'll grow up to be an engineer or architect.

[GeeGolly]

Yup, I agree, their lack of concern about contaminants is gross and careless. There's a saying something to the effect of everyone eats a peck of dirt in their lifetime. While it has a broader meaning, I think most say it to feel better about accidentally ingesting something less than clean - not purposely eating dirt right off the ground or germs off used make-up.

[ozziemom]

Did Carlin do something to that picture to lighten Layla’s hair? It looks really blond, maybe it’s due to recent beach vacation. It really is getting more noticeable how much they focus on Layla’s girly girl actions and appearance. It seems like all both Evan and Carlin say to her is oh, how cute you are no matter what she’s doing or wearing. But since she won’t be encouraged to do anything more than get married and have babies, I guess it doesn’t matter. Sad.

[BitterApple]

Lol, don't give Carlin any ideas! I'm still reeling from that idiot mom who took her five year-old to get a full head of foil highlights. 

I think Layla's hair lightened naturally in the sun, though. My niece was similar when she was little. She'd go from light brown to full blonde a week into summer. 

[GeeGolly]

Speaking of Layla's hair, did Jessa come by and style it for her? 🤣

[Meow Mix]

Agree with everyone else about the makeup testers.  I don't even want to put ones that people have access to on my hand to see the color.  I prefer to go places if I need to test where the people working the counter control who gets into the testers.  At Sephora, I usually know what I want rather than experimenting with colors.

[cereality]

I feel like nowadays people don't even put the testers on their hands - people put them on the index cards stores have everywhere to see the color.

So much of this was they were raised in a herd by parents that didn't pay attention and/or when they did see a kid doing something gross whether putting communal makeup on their face or eating food off a door mat, I'm guessing G&K laughed like loons. Meanwhile the sister moms were preteens/young teens themselves worrying about getting meals on the table and laundry done, so they didn't have time to be watching whether any kid was doing anything gross. So fast forward, that's how all the girls - maybe except Alyssa who I could see being more grossed out by such things - are raising all their kids. And they now have leghumpers to validate - aww all kids eat off of floor mats, it's good for them; or awww Layla looks soooo great w/ no mention of - maybe don't put communal make up on your kid's face.

Why exactly can't they tell their kids no? How do you say no - uh no, you are not to touch x and if you touch it, we're leaving; and then actually leave. Kids aren't dumb, next time they'll remember and not touch the thing. Or if you're wanting to be a pushover, even still when Layla asks for the tester lipstick to be put on her,  you can say no these are for everyone/they're open/they're dirty - mommy is going to pick one to buy and it'll be in a sealed package and I can put THAT one on you AT HOME.

[farmgal4]

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

In today's installment of Horrible Parenting, Carlin and Layla are at Sephora. Layla was wearing lipstick from the freaking testers, which Carlin put on her. Layla is then pointing to other lipsticks she wants to try on.

I thought it was pretty common knowledge that you should never put samples from the makeup counter anywhere close to your mouth or eyes. Those things are a petri dish of germs and bacteria. Not to mention Layla was manhandling all the lipsticks, so now her germs are added to the mix. Does Carlin have common sense in any aspect of her life? 

To answer your question… No, not one lick.

[65mickey]

I think Carlin is an immature parent. She is still emotionally in high school, or college and is trying to have those experiences now that she didn't have before she became a parent. Her obsesion with having "couple time", not having regular meals and bedtime for Layla,  treating Layla like her mini me and posting about every little thing even things that should be kept private just says to me that she missed out on a lot prior to marriage. She rushed into marriage and parenthood before she became a grownup.  Alyssa, Josie Tori and Erin seem to be more mature than Carlin and have settled into parenthood  without all of Carlin's drama and silliness.   

Edited October 20, 2022 by 65mickey

[3 is enough]

Even in pre-Covid days I never would dream of putting a sample lipstick within a yard of my face, much less a two year old’s.

I also don’t think a two year old in red lipstick is cute at all. There is nothing wrong with setting limits and telling her makeup is for grownups- Carlin could have redirected Layla to a Disney Princess Lip Smacker instead.  

I bet part of the reason Layla loves her princess dresses is that they are colorful, unlike her sad wardrobe of beige and blah knitted rompers which are not remotely suitable for an almost 3 year old.  

I noticed Evan telling Layla to “ be sweet” in one of their vlogs- I am thinking they may have their hands full with her.  In my experience 3 year olds are much more stubborn and contrary than the so called “terrible twos”.  Their hesitancy to implement regular routines and boundaries with Layla will come back to bite them.

[GeeGolly]

I don't think Carlin wanted to say no, that is if Layla even asked for the lipstick. I think the "who could say no" is an IG schtick influencer parents write when they're doing/allowing something they know is stupid.

[ginger90]

[SMama]

What work do these leisure airheads do? When do they even reach the threshold for busy? 

[GeeGolly]

I'd hardly call moving from her bed to the couch with a heated blanket "getting up".

[BitterApple]

Lulz, notice how there's been recent criticism here about Carlin's lackadaisical attitude towards BSB and the time she spends traveling, and now she's going hard with all the work posts. 

She said in recent stories they're doing their "Thanksgiving launch" but from the preview, it's just a handful of clothes that look like everything else on their site. So, she's preparing for what crazy, exactly? The handful of orders that come in that half a dozen people can easily handle? Carlin's acting like the warehouse is about to be Black Friday at Walmart. 

[GeeGolly]

5 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Lulz, notice how there's been recent criticism here about Carlin's lackadaisical attitude towards BSB and the time she spends traveling, and now she's going hard with all the work posts. 

She said in recent stories they're doing their "Thanksgiving launch" but from the preview, it's just a handful of clothes that look like everything else on their site. So, she's preparing for what crazy, exactly? The handful of orders that come in that half a dozen people can easily handle? Carlin's acting like the warehouse is about to be Black Friday at Walmart. 

I do believe Josie works a little harder than Carlin, but she was going on and on about how hard they worked to get their new "jewelry line" ready for their "launch". Its gold plated jewelry that is sold EVERYWHERE, Claire's, Kohl's and likely even dollar stores.

I'm guessing the hard work is taking the jewelry off the plastic display cards and putting them on their own.

[ozziemom]

This is the first time I noticed C&E making coffee at home. Maybe they noticed a few negative comments about the constant Stbx  stops??

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I do believe Josie works a little harder than Carlin, but she was going on and on about how hard they worked to get their new "jewelry line" ready for their "launch". Its gold plated jewelry that is sold EVERYWHERE, Claire's, Kohl's and likely even dollar stores.

Omg, yes. I saw Josie's stories where she models the jewelry and her delivery is that of a disingenuous QVC host. Not to mention the stuff looks soooooo cheap and brassy. I don't know what she's charging but I wouldn't pay it. 

[cereality]

39 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

This is the first time I noticed C&E making coffee at home. Maybe they noticed a few negative comments about the constant Stbx  stops??

That and let's be real their income is down. For the last month, only one YT video hit 200k for them and the rest haven't come close. Even their Q&A only got them 153k views and it's been up for 10 days. For all the sisters, those are usually the big videos bc people watch to see if there's any juicy info. Prior to this month, 250-300k views per video were common for them. The difference between getting 150k hits per week vs. 250k = $500/wk in income.

So given that their income from their brilliant plan of - let's not even try to cobble together daycare/nannies for the kids and instead have Evan quit his job and stay home fulltime to run to Chick Fila with Carlin and make money off YT - has resulted in a ~$2000/mo income hit recently, yeah I can see why they're at least making a few cups of coffee at home. I'm sure they're sensing that people are growing bored of their story and to stay relevant on social media you constantly need to be doing something. It's the reason that IG influencers travel and shop so much. Yet with these fools, I'm sorry but nothing about your rented AirBnb with your inlaws or your trips to Target is anything I want to see -- when I can watch people vacationing in Paris and staying in the luxury hotels.

[ginger90]

2 hours ago, ozziemom said:

This is the first time I noticed C&E making coffee at home. Maybe they noticed a few negative comments about the constant Stbx  stops??

Cue next post, so many of you asked about …….. 

[3 is enough]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Omg, yes. I saw Josie's stories where she models the jewelry and her delivery is that of a disingenuous QVC host. Not to mention the stuff looks soooooo cheap and brassy. I don't know what she's charging but I wouldn't pay it. 

I don't get it.  First, it is gold plated, not gold filled, so basically it's the cheapest stuff you can buy.  I checked the website and the necklaces are going for $35- $50.  That seems like a lot for something that won't last. If you have an event and want a certain look but don't want to spend hundreds of dollars for real gold I can see it. However, they seem to be selling them as something you would wear every day.  For that price you could get sterling silver which would last forever with regular cleaning.

Also, there are typos on the website.  The necklace Josie was gushing about is described as "tripple layer". 

Back to Carlin, I do wonder what class Evan was taking the other night. 

[Turquoise]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'd hardly call moving from her bed to the couch with a heated blanket "getting up".

Hey now, it took a bit of time and effort to carefully coordinate her sweatshirt to the throw pillow, apply makeup, and create the perfect undone bun. She has to pace herself.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Turquoise
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