Jeanne222 August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 3 hours ago, ginger90 said: They were at Walmart. Lol the people of Walmart! 3 Link to comment
Heathen August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Peanut6711 said: A professional nail salon treatment for a toddler is a waste of money and sends a message of entitlement to Layla. She'll be a spoiled brat some day soon just like her mother. I know they have no brains to figure this out but how do they have the money if neither of them are actively employed. Future Real Housewife of Knoxville. Maybe they'll go big(ger city) and do Real Housewives of Nashville. I can't believe they wasted money on a manicure for a freaking two-year-old. Especially when neither idiot is working. 3 1 3 Link to comment
ozziemom August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 During my tax prep days I had a few clients who spent every $$ they made as they received it, only to be shocked come April 15 when informed they owed taxes. C & E remind me of this. Of course they could be too stupid to have an actual accountant, so who knows what they file for a tax return. Another YouTuber I watch spoke quite openly about how hard it was to see the money come in and have to put aside a % for taxes. 1 2 4 Link to comment
iluvobx August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 18 hours ago, GeeGolly said: Well its 13 weeks and 6 days from Lawson's wedding so surely Evan's FMLA has run out. Like some other poster mentioned, these stories are likely leading up to their weekly YT video announcing that Evan has resigned, or taken a leave of absence from work. I'm sure they'll avoid the word quit. It would not surprise me that he was fired. Even with FLMA, there comes a time that even that expires and you have to go back to work. If he did not return when he was suppose to, he could be fired for just reasons. Maybe he is drawing unemployment and once again someone in the Bates family would be scamming the taxpayers of Tennessee. IMO, I don't think that Carlin is nearly as sick as they claim. She just fakes things when she doesn't have all the attention aimed at her. 4 1 7 Link to comment
65mickey August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 If he was fired for not following rules or for not showing up for work he would not be eligible to draw unemployment. He would have to be fired for some reason not of his fault like a layoff or not having the proper skills And you have to be actively seeking employment. So I doubt that he is drawing unempoyment benefits. 3 1 4 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 First Evan needed to follow Carlin around to catch her (which he never did). Next he needed to be her chauffeur. When they realized how ridiculous the chauffeuring sounded, they landed on Carlin restricted from being home alone. Evan is allowed to quit his job and be a full-time influencer, but that looks bad because influencers are not supposed to concretely say their followers are their paychecks. At this point that would be better than this false saga of Carlin's ill health. 1 7 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, ozziemom said: During my tax prep days I had a few clients who spent every $$ they made as they received it, only to be shocked come April 15 when informed they owed taxes. C & E remind me of this. Of course they could be too stupid to have an actual accountant, so who knows what they file for a tax return. Another YouTuber I watch spoke quite openly about how hard it was to see the money come in and have to put aside a % for taxes. I’m sure they do have a Duggar-like shady accountant who helps them with very questionable tax write-offs for their business, probably attempting to deduct their Starbucks, CFA, vacations, etc as business expenses. Edited August 18, 2022 by Cinnabon 4 1 2 Link to comment
ozziemom August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 The other day I posted here wondering about the Joy & Carlin friendship since I hadn’t noticed any sign of Joy in Carlin’s social media. Lo and behold today where is a post of texting between Joy & Carlin about corn dogs, 😂😂😂. Coincidence? 1 2 8 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 1 minute ago, ozziemom said: The other day I posted here wondering about the Joy & Carlin friendship since I hadn’t noticed any sign of Joy in Carlin’s social media. Lo and behold today where is a post of texting between Joy & Carlin about corn dogs, 😂😂😂. Coincidence? What a classy subject! 7 Link to comment
SMama August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 It looks like it’s official, Evan posted a silly story about working for his wife. What a waste of five years of training. I have never owned a business but I’m baffled at how BSB will support 2 families and staff. Their show was cancelled recently (can’t remember when), so of course they have the leg humpers still interested. They remind me of Jon and Kate. I remember Jon crowing about their show being #1 on TLC. For awhile it seemed he and Kate would never go away. Where are they now? The same will happen to BSB, because I seriously doubt there’s any business acumen, or a fully functioning brain among those four yahoos. 5 2 6 Link to comment
So unbelievable August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Cinnabon said: I’m sure they do have a Duggar-like shady accountant who helps them with very questionable tax write-offs for their business, probably attempting to deduct their Starbucks, CFA, vacations, etc business expenses. Exactly. And, as I've said before, their sketchy cash n carry events. Those are so easy to pocket money and not claim sales. 2 1 1 7 Link to comment
Jeanne222 August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 Re the BSB. Who started it and who owns it today? Weren’t there more sisters in the startup? Didn’t I see Tori there too? Seems like everything took a turn when Erin left. Also is Momma Bates part owner? Tia! Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 Tori was never part of the boutique. And Kelly has said that she doesn't have a stake, she just enjoys being part of it. 2 2 Link to comment
Heathen August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said: Tori was never part of the boutique. And Kelly has said that she doesn't have a stake, she just enjoys being part of it. Because she has the maturity of a teenager and wants to be with the cool kids? 2 6 3 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 I wouldn't be surprised if we're not seeing the beginning of the end of BSB. It seems to me they're starting to buy better quality clothes. Better quality means higher prices and probably less profit. Less profit per item means they'll need more sales. I don't think they a slew of loyal customers coming back again and again. I'm also guessing much of what BSB sells can be found on Amazon for cheaper. My husband and I owned a business for 30ish years. I've seen this with new businesses time and time again. A typical new business doesn't make money until the second year. Too often by the third year owners get confident and cocky and start taking bigger risks, once that starts they're usually gone by year 5. Another thing, most new business owners work around the clock doing everything from cleaning the toilets to paying payroll taxes and everything in between. But who knows, maybe they're savvy business owners and will have continued success. 2 5 2 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Heathen said: Because she has the maturity of a teenager and wants to be with the cool kids? If she thinks her dopey daughters are “cool,” then she’s more delusional than I thought. 2 6 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, GeeGolly said: I wouldn't be surprised if we're not seeing the beginning of the end of BSB. It seems to me they're starting to buy better quality clothes. Better quality means higher prices and probably less profit. Less profit per item means they'll need more sales. I don't think they a slew of loyal customers coming back again and again. I'm also guessing much of what BSB sells can be found on Amazon for cheaper. My husband and I owned a business for 30ish years. I've seen this with new businesses time and time again. A typical new business doesn't make money until the second year. Too often by the third year owners get confident and cocky and start taking bigger risks, once that starts they're usually gone by year 5. Another thing, most new business owners work around the clock doing everything from cleaning the toilets to paying payroll taxes and everything in between. But who knows, maybe they're savvy business owners and will have continued success. Yes, as I’ve said previously, it makes no sense that there are a half dozen of them, including spouses, who barely work (or don’t work at all), yet they need to pay additional staff. All the successful business owners I’ve know have worked long days, 6-7 days a week, for years. 8 1 3 Link to comment
SMama August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cinnabon said: If she thinks her dopey daughters are “cool,” then she’s more delusional than I thought. Kelly is part of a culture that considers baking dollar store pizza rolls at midnight, playing the same boring games at night, and having mani/pedis as “partying.” It’s a really low bar for cool as well. 2 6 2 Link to comment
Jeanne222 August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cinnabon said: Yes, as I’ve said previously, it makes no sense that there are a half dozen of them, including spouses, who barely work (or don’t work at all), yet they need to pay additional staff. All the successful business owners I’ve know have worked long days, 6-7 days a week, for years. Just another WHAT? Real business owners work very hard. Policemen police and Electricians do electric work! Not run boutiques! I could understand it much more if they had college degrees in business, finance or marketing This is just all messed up but obviously working to some degree. 2 Link to comment
SMama August 18, 2022 Share August 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said: This is just all messed up but obviously working to some degree. For now 😉. 4 Link to comment
Kiss my mutt August 19, 2022 Share August 19, 2022 It looks like they’re playing at having a store while their “staff” does the real work. I think it’s way too early for them to bring on so many people but sadly, it’s probably necessary with their already busy schedules of Instagram, manicures and Starbucks schedules. Marcus Lemonis, The Profit, should give them a visit, all the good that would do them. 4 4 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 19, 2022 Share August 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said: It looks like they’re playing at having a store while their “staff” does the real work. I think it’s way too early for them to bring on so many people but sadly, it’s probably necessary with their already busy schedules of Instagram, manicures and Starbucks schedules. Marcus Lemonis, The Profit, should give them a visit, all the good that would do them. Or go on Shark Tank to build the business? They'd be laughed off the set. 2 2 5 Link to comment
oliviabenson August 20, 2022 Share August 20, 2022 How foolish of Evan to quit a job (if he quit) 2 4 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 20, 2022 Share August 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, oliviabenson said: How foolish of Evan to quit a job (if he quit) He's not back to work after the 12 weeks of FMLA. As I have said before, he threw away a lucrative career for which he worked 5 years apprenticing. Stupid, stupid, shortsighted move. 5 4 6 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 They claimed in the latest video that they upped her meds. I guess not enough. 1 Link to comment
Heathen August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Salacious Kitty said: They claimed in the latest video that they upped her meds. I guess not enough. Or she's just on the wrong kind of meds. 1 1 1 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 I wonder if she had the seizure at the wedding shower? They're getting smarter (almost 4 months in) not to show Carlin carrying a kid across a parking lot. When they got to the shower Evan was holding Zade and Carlin was getting a sleepy Layla out of her car seat - they shut the video off. 4 1 1 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said: I wonder if she had the seizure at the wedding shower? They're getting smarter (almost 4 months in) not to show Carlin carrying a kid across a parking lot. When they got to the shower Evan was holding Zade and Carlin was getting a sleepy Layla out of her car seat - they shut the video off. The whole family went to a wedding shower? 1 1 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Cinnabon said: The whole family went to a wedding shower? Sounds like they had a big turnout looking at Lydia's thank you post. 2 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Cinnabon said: The whole family went to a wedding shower? Yes. 1 Link to comment
cereality August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 (edited) From a few video clips from this week’s YT posted on Reddit - FMLA boy appears not that good at his job. Turns out the cardiologist appt was at 930 the other day but they came wandering in at 1030 and thought this was the funniest thing ever. No not bc Evan was trying to squeeze in a few hrs of paid work but bc Evan wrote down 915 on some piece of paper, Carlin put 1030 into her phone and hahahaha in the 4-6 wks they waited for this appt no one could double check, busy as they are 🙄. Of course they prob could’ve been there on time but they had to stop at Sbux, Carlin had to post IG stories from the hospital parking lot, and Evan had to film a YT segment updating her health from the parking lot. Then Evan casually goes we’ll see if they’ll still see us or we’ll come back another day. Uh not how people usually treat appts when they’re worried about their health + rescheduling could easily take 4-6 wks these days. Of course they were seen. I’m sure they have zero awareness that the red carpet is rolled out a bit in healthcare when it’s a young white couple cooing about how they had to drop their babies off at the sitter blah blah. If they looked different or were age 40+, no doubt some receptionist would be like better luck getting here next time. And Carlin isn’t doing well at all mentally. Can’t blame her as much as I hate on her. As much as she’s an actress, she also seemed genuinely sad when talking about the episodes in the parking lot. This is where her keeping sweet, aww we have sooo many IG and YT lookyloos, we’re so blessed - training will hurt her. You almost wish she could talk to someone in private for real about how it’s been, her fears etc - whether a therapist or even a secular friend who won’t just tell her to be grateful and quote the Bible. Love Evan being like - it’s getting harder for her to talk about these episodes, she didn’t want to discuss the one in Vegas (so there was one), so I have to respect that. Bro you know what’d respect her more - if you went to WORK, rather than staking the payment of the mortgage on your wife’s health bringing in the YT lookyloos?!? Like I know they both say the BS of how they get sooo much support from their IG and YT leghumpers but really?! They’re strangers, are they doing anything for you? No but bc they’ve shown interest + you need to keep them in the fold bc your kids eating now depends on it, now you’re obligated to show videos of yourself at the dr or worse, provide details that clearly are hard for you to discuss etc?! Is this worth it for your mental health?? But at the end of the day a fundie marriage is a fundie marriage, Evan wants it so that’s how it’s gonna be and mental health can be prayed away. Edited August 21, 2022 by cereality 10 5 1 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 I wonder when in Vegas Carlin had an episode? And when was her hours long recovery period? They pretty much posted real time IG stories. Was it on the plane? They flew in on the late side and Carlin spent day 1 in the wheel chair, but looked fine and she and Evan stayed up late, later that night. Day 2 she was up and about looking at clothes and then they flew home. At this point I find it very hard to believe anything the two of them say. 12 3 Link to comment
Dehumidifier August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 Odd that the medical office didn't do a reminder call the day before. I've found that to be common now. The old-fashioned write it on a prominently displayed calendar works well too. 7 1 7 Link to comment
BitterApple August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 41 minutes ago, Dehumidifier said: Odd that the medical office didn't do a reminder call the day before. I've found that to be common now. The old-fashioned write it on a prominently displayed calendar works well too. I agree. My doctor's and dentist's offices do reminder calls and texts. That's odd if Carlin didn't get at least one. 1 hour ago, GeeGolly said: At this point I find it very hard to believe anything the two of them say. You and me both. Comments have been popping up noting how convenient it is that Carlin never has seizures when she travels and now they're claiming she had one in Vegas. They're reading the room and curating their social media to legitimize Carlin's issues. cereality, I wonder if any of these specialists have recommended a mental health evaluation? I do think there's something physical going on, but when I look at Carlin I see an extremely insecure, anxious and fearful woman. IIRC, she's admitted to suffering from depression in the past, and Gil's solution to it was forcing her to sit through a revival. I think she would benefit greatly from seeing a therapist. 7 10 Link to comment
floridamom August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 Didn't Carlin say in that parking lot video that there were so many changes in her life...house, job for Evan, babies, etc? I think she stated right there what her problem is. This idiot makes her daily life hectic and unorganized. That would land me in a rest home. I don't think Carlin is equipped to handle her "hectic" life. That girl needs a calm, day to day life and stay at home with her children, give them a normal schedule, which includes regular nap times AND a working husband. I am about done with these two. Someone upthread here said that Evan does not want to go to work...they are absolutely correct. I think he enjoys his house husband lifestyle more. A pro-manicure for a two year old???? Foolish idiots. Stress manifests itself in many different ways... Carlin's life is stress and they created it themselves. 5 2 6 Link to comment
ozziemom August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 8 hours ago, Cinnabon said: The whole family went to a wedding shower? Carlin needs Evan at all times! Actually Gil and various other kids were pictured at the shower so I guess this was an all inclusive wedding shower. You would think the Bateses would be tired of seeing each other all the time, but I guess not. 7 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 3 hours ago, floridamom said: I am about done with these two. The more who do the same, the less they’ll be able to keep lying and grifting. And then Evan will have to go back to work. 3 1 3 Link to comment
GeeGolly August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 I keep going back to my recent health scare. The doctor who had the concern put out a flurry of referrals. Over the course of about two months I was called at least weekly, sometimes multiple times a week, by different specialists gathering info, scheduling appointments and doing pre-admission phone intakes. We (my husband and I) really had to do nothing but follow directions and show up. And it was all over in a couple of months. I get different health issues have different paths, but Carlin's path seems more like like a maze than a path. I can't help but think they're making this path fit their schedule rather than the other way around. Or are they doing this because its all bullshit? Or because they can't fight their FOMO? Or maybe because they're kind of dumb when it comes to important things? None of it makes any sense to me. 11 3 Link to comment
Notabug August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Dehumidifier said: Odd that the medical office didn't do a reminder call the day before. I've found that to be common now. The old-fashioned write it on a prominently displayed calendar works well too. All medical providers are required to have an interface, a patient portal that can be used to access results, make an appointment, message the doctor or staff. The app would provide text messages as well as email notifications for upcoming appointments. There is no way they weren’t notified unless they didn’t sign up for it which seems unlikely. I think they either ignored the notifications, or, decided that their Instagram story would be so much more interesting if they added to the drama by being an hour late and pretending it was a mistake. It’s also quite possible that they’re a pair of ignorant asshats who simply didn’t care if they were on time, figuring their time was more important than anyone else’ and showed up whenever they got around to it. 6 2 5 Link to comment
oliviabenson August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 These 2 are immature children raising children. They were lucky that the doctor saw Carlin. For an important appointment like that you show up on time. 6 12 Link to comment
Salacious Kitty August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, oliviabenson said: These 2 are immature children raising children. They were lucky that the doctor saw Carlin. For an important appointment like that you show up on time. I'm just surprised they didn't get a call or text. I get texts from my dentist for crying out loud. 4 1 4 Link to comment
ginger90 August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 Making it known they didn’t make it to church, and why: 4 2 1 1 Link to comment
oliviabenson August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said: I'm just surprised they didn't get a call or text. I get texts from my dentist for crying out loud. I get calls/texts from all my doctors. 2 4 Link to comment
cereality August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 They didn't exactly go to a Dr. Vick like private practice for cardiology. They went to a hospital based practice. I find it hard to believe that there isn't a MyChart or some similar electronic platform that spits out notifications for upcoming appointments, requires them to confirm, and requires them to do the pre-check in online as that tends to save time in the office. Yet knowing these 2 they prob mindlessly hit confirm without double checking the time and were like eh I'm not pre checking in, the office staff can do that when we grace them with our presence. And @geegolly I agree - having gone thru cardiology things before, they are VERY clear on how quickly things need to be done or not. When there have been instances of actual concern about what the testing will show, I've had drs sit down and very clearly say - look you cannot put this one off bc I'm concerned about x,y,z and then the office harasses you non stop to get it scheduled and will work around your schedule a fair amount to get you in fast. OTOH when it's more routine testing/rule out testing where they are fairly certain there's no huge concern, they are quicker to say - you should get this done but in the next few weeks/months is fine and then predictably they don't work as hard to get you in, you basically get an available appointment down the road. Carlin even said they are fairly certain it isn't a vascular issues but want this testing to confirm - that means it'll get done when it gets done. I imagine if Carlin had shown the slightest hesitation and said do I really need this - the dr would've been like well actually no you don't HAVE to do this. They are clearly reading here and on Reddit - as demonstrated by the Layla post clarifying they didn't go to church, prob in response to all the people who say why don't you stay home more. As for Vegas, I imagine any episode was in transit to Vegas [as she was in the wheelchair at Vegas airport too] or when they got to the hotel that night. I mean their flight landed at 11 pm and she was posting pics from their hotel at like 2 am Vegas time -- freaking 5 am EST. IDK what is or is not going on with her but in what universe is pulling all nighters going to help? 2 5 Link to comment
Jeanne222 August 21, 2022 Share August 21, 2022 Honestly just thinking about it were they even late at all? I’m not so sure it wasn’t just said for content and to make their appointment exciting! I don’t think they can be sued for lying on social media! 🤷♀️ 1 1 3 Link to comment
Heathen August 22, 2022 Share August 22, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said: I'm just surprised they didn't get a call or text. I get texts from my dentist for crying out loud. I'm quite sure they did, and the Stewarts are just lying. Probably spent too much time doing their makeup and hair in preparation for filming, and going to Starbucks, to be on time. I see my primary, a hematologist, and a gastroenterologist once a quarter, each, plus treatments. I get multiple reminders for each as well as options to check in early online, and my chart is online and through an app in case I happen to forget, which would be pretty hard to do. No WAY did the Stewarts not get a single reminder. Their lies are going to catch up to them. Edited August 22, 2022 by Heathen 4 1 3 Link to comment
Cinnabon August 22, 2022 Share August 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Jeanne222 said: Honestly just thinking about it were they even late at all? I’m not so sure it wasn’t just said for content and to make their appointment exciting! I don’t think they can be sued for lying on social media! 🤷♀️ They can’t be sued, but let’s be very clear - they are outright lying to their followers for clicks and $$. Lying. Dishonest, disingenuous, and disrespectful to their “fans.” And not very Christian. They should be ashamed of themselves. 5 5 Link to comment
ranchgirl August 22, 2022 Share August 22, 2022 When the doctors told them, "Live your life" they probably meant, you know, do low key things around the house or at work, take care of your kids, eat healthy meals and get a good night's sleep every night. Probably didn't mean to travel to Vegas on red eyes for a 2 day stay where you are working 8-10 hours and then staying up late or, staying with a large, loud family network for a week, attending nephews baseball games, nieces dance recitals and minor league baseball game double hitters while eating crappy fast food. Or to spend hours out shopping with your sisters and mom with only a sugary coffee drink and corn dog in your stomach. I wonder if she gave up the sugary Starbucks every day if that would help. I'm surprised one of her medical specialists hasn't asked her to cut everything out but clean foods and then add things back in slowly to see if it is too much of something she eats. I agree with what was said above about how many life changes have occurred around the same time and she/they have no schedule or structure. Some people do not need structure or routine in their life, even once they have children, but I know I did. IF she had a falling out with sisters Tori and Erin could that be weighing on her? She and Tori were very close growing up and if there has been a change in that relationship, that could be difficult for her. 5 Link to comment
cereality August 22, 2022 Share August 22, 2022 I do wonder how much she’s told drs about her lifestyle. Cardiology and I imagine neurology tend not to ask a ton about lifestyle but sometimes cardiologists do ask about caffeine, drinking, salt intake, sleep, and hydration. Is she thinking and answering truthfully or is she more like nah I never get coffee at Sbux and glossing over the fact that Sbux non coffee drinks have caffeine too, the corn dogs from Sonic and chips that they always have on hand are high in salt etc. Is Evan speaking up and saying well several of the episodes have been the day after staying up until 2 am at her parents’ “partying” and then running someplace else the next day? I feel like bc she grew up in a family where primary care was a foreign concept, she’s never been around a dr who’ll talk to her about that stuff. Primary care is usually the one discussing food choices or sleep or day to day life things like that if the need arises. Thing is she grew up in a family like this - unscheduled, unstructured, eat whatever, sleep whenever - and her 50+ yr old parents are fine, as are many other families like the Duggars so to her how could sleep or coffee or running around for no apparent reason matter here?! But the reality is G&K have lived a life with way fewer health problems than their daughters AFAIK. Sometimes what a healthy as a horse person can do isn’t the same as what someone who needs to take care of her health does. Not saying meals or sleep will solve her issue but really could 3 meals/day and consistent sleep hurt here? And not that it’ll solve her medical problems but I wish she’d reconcile with Erin, who knows what health problems can be like, and hang with Tori more - simply bc she and Tori grew up together and it could only help mentally. 2 4 Link to comment
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