Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

[cereality]

I had a feeling something was up. No way is this them passing off an old incident -the IG is in real time and YT is once a week. Plus she’s in a neck collar which indicates she may have fallen and then need to rule out injuries before she moves; in the last incident at the ball park Evan said his dad caught her and C said she’s always been caught up until then and the first time she wasn’t it’d hurt. If she is wearing a collar, chances are she wasn’t caught this time, which makes this a different incident than prior ones.

After passing out at the ball park and making neuro appts for next week, they had said they would get back to Knox on Sat is she stayed ok. When they were quiet all day Sat I had a feeling something was up. I mean Carlin is looking for IG content - no way she wouldn’t have popped up on IG for a second to show them packing up at the in-laws, in the car, at a rest stop, or walking into their home for the first time since Cali - and when she didn’t it was like maybe they didn’t leave?!

What is Evan going to do?? I think the plan was to return to Knox on Sat and leave Carlin maybe w G&K or Michael and have Evan go to work starting Monday and then taking days off for her neuro appt. But IDK if he can go back to work with her like this. Maybe he now is taking an unpaid leave of absence until she’s stable enough to leave with family. And the silence from G&K and her siblings is stunning - he posts a pic of their daughter/sister in a collar on oxygen etc and none of these social media whores reposts even to say they’re worried/praying?! What the hell kind of family rift is this - or do they really only love each other when it’s time for Cali vacations, weddings and Christmas parties and the not fun life stuff is like eh whatever?!

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by cereality

[65mickey]

It is truely puzzling why none of her family especially her mother and father have not gone to Nashville to help. They don't have to pile in with the Stewarts but they could help out with bringing meals, runnung erands and giving Evan's parents a break. And why hasn't someone gone over to Carlin's house and picked up the breast pump and brought it to her? I think whose things are expensive.  Her sisters are posting on Instagram and acting like they are not even aware of what's going on with Carlin. For trying to give the impression that they are a close knit family they sure don't act like it when one of the adult children is in a medical crisis. I wonder what Kelly would do if Evan's parents got on the phone and called her and said you need to get here and help your daughter? Kelly and Gil should be ashamed of themselves.  

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I noticed her slurred speech on the word ambulance and thought she was having a memory problem associated with a stroke.  

I think it was after the ambulance ride when the EMT's 'treated' her 'seizures'.  She was probably slurring her speech due to being a little drunk from the valium they would've given her.  Also, Carlin loves attention and drama, and, if she did slur a bit after getting the sedative, I expect she'd capitalize on it and exaggerate it, even.  She has figured out how to get those hits on the instagram.

She is very childish in the way she responds to and deals with things.

As far as the cervical collar, it is routine for EMT's to apply them prior to transporting anyone to the ER if that person has had a fall.  If this was when they were at the ballgame where she supposedly fell to the ground with no one able to catch her, it would've been placed as a precaution. any ER doc worth their salt would remove it after a quick exam within minutes of her arrival.  I expect Evan saw how cool and scary it all looked and requested the EMT's stop for a second  so he could get a shot for the 'gram.

The fact that they're just relasing this stuff willy nilly without any context indicates to me that this has been a very profitable adventure thus far and they want to keep it rolling even when nothing new is happening.

As far as breast pumps go; they are free to women as a matter of law.  Carlin could call her own doctor back home as ask for a prescription to be sent to a nearby pharmacy and pick one up.  However, no matter how long they were planning on spending in Nashville originally, I have no idea why she wouldn't have had Evan toss her pump into the car, just in case.  Except that she was too dumb to remember to bring sweaters for her kids to California, so I guess that's the reason.    However, you can purchase a simple hand-held battery operated pump for around 25 bucks at Target, so, even without a prescription, it makes no sense.

ETA: They went all the way out to California (or cally as she likes to call it) and didn't have a breast pump?  It is amazing these two are able to figure out how to get their shoes on the right feet.

Edited May 22, 2022 by Notabug

[emmawoodhouse]

Her FIL caught her at the ballgame. This appears to be a new event where she apparently had a good ol' fall. I would also like to know how Evan differentiates this incident from the others. 

[cereality]

17 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

It is truely puzzling why none of her family especially her mother and father have not gone to Nashville to help. They don't have to pile in with the Stewarts but they could help out with bringing meals, runnung erands and giving Evan's parents a break. And why hasn't someone gone over to Carlin's house and picked up the breast pump and brought it to her? I think whose things are expensive.  Her sisters are posting on Instagram and acting like they are not even aware of what's going on with Carlin. For trying to give the impression that they are a close knit family they sure don't act like it when one of the adult children is in a medical crisis. I wonder what Kelly would do if Evan's parents got on the phone and called her and said you need to get here and help your daughter? Kelly and Gil should be ashamed of themselves.  

Agree 1000%. G&K and the siblings clearly aren’t as close as they portrayed on the show. You know if Carlin had say gone into labor while in Nash G&K would’ve been there w bells on (in fact Tori did have her first kid in Nash and Gil, Erin, Law, and Tori set out in the dead of night to get there before delivery and Kelly was already there). But for something not fun be it cardiac or neuro or whatever . . . we don’t even get a grand baby after driving here (or a wedding or ski trip or coffee and manis/pedis), eh, good luck Evan.

While I do think they’re dramatic and not super bright (so I do wonder if they’re lost as drs talk to them), I don’t think they’re faking this at all. Being transported in a collar means some assessment needing to be done for a fall - hopefully that assessment did take 2 seconds and Evan just took that pic waiting for the ER dr to enter. But the fact that there may have been a fall here makes this a new incident from the others.

This has now gotten to the point where prob more than 1 person needs to be with Carlin and the kids if Evan were to go to work, which means even if Michael agrees, it’s not enough. Evan has said he feels he needs to be within 5 ft of Carlin. But if the same person was watching Carlin + the kids, at some point they’d need to go get lunch for Layla, change the kids’ diapers etc, leaving Carlin alone. I suppose they could set it up so that diapers etc are changed right there w Carlin on the couch etc but more pragmatic would be having 2 people. Not that G&K would inconvenience themselves but I guess if these guys go back to Knox at some point and Michaela agrees to be the primary adult caretaker, G&K would deploy Addie/Ellie as a secondary helper.

 

[emmawoodhouse]

I thought Evan said in the video that they had an appointment with a cardiologist this week in Knoxville. So, they have to head back there soon. Hopefully with the help @cereality outlined. We know Kelly won't do shit.

[So unbelievable]

I think this shows where Carlin ranks in the Bates family, which is pretty low.  Maybe, as someone stated upthread, she has always been the girl who cried wolf and the the family knows this. Even if she is going to the ER.

Really shitty of all of them, but maybe truth is that she annoys them as much as she annoys me.  We all know KJ and Gil are worthless, so it doesn't surprise me she hasn't made the scene.  Maybe she's Door dashed them some food to the Stewart's house.  We know she's at least good at that. Might be the only thing.

Edited May 22, 2022 by So unbelievable

[Peanut6711]

6 hours ago, floridamom said:

These two are living life with unnecessary stress IMO. A lot all at one and way too quickly. Carlin doesn't have a pump with her?????why not purchase another one. Are they very expensive? That would solve one issue and they could leave the baby with his grandparents. Continuing to run to the ER is pointless at this time. She needs to go down the list of specialists and see what each of them says. I shudder to think what they are being charged for ambulances and ER visits. 

Unnecessary stress indeed! And something (okay lots of things) feels fishy.  For starters, this many trips to the ER should have produced some progress if there is a real issue. So either the hospital is utterly incompetent (in which case I'm not sure why they wouldn't go to a different one) or they believe C&E are milking this for fame and clicks.  Some years back, I unfortunately developed a medical condition that landed me in the ER twice. (It was the local hospital in a semi-rural area that is not generally progressive.) Yet, I was still kept for observation in a private room for 2 days for testing and a specialist consult.  When additional incidents resulted in the second ER visit, I was again kept for another 24 hours to run tests that weren't run the first time after the ER doc noted my previous visit/stay and what was done. So I have a really hard time believing the doctors and nurses at this hospital are pulling up her chart, seeing how many times she's been in and her symptoms, and are not doing something more if there is a serious issues at hand.  Why not admit her for observation? Why not call in a consult? Why not get a breast pump sent down from Maternity for use while she's there? (The hospital grade ones were typically known to be the best/most efficient.)

I also agree this has to be costing a boatload even with good insurance. I could have taken a luxury vacation with what was spent on insurance deductibles the year I had my medical issues. Add in their new house/down payment/closing costs they just spent as well rent on their current place and I can't imagine their household income/budget isn't being seriously strained. 

And final thought--didn't Michaela say in one of her posts some time back that she didn't plan to work in the nursing field, just went to school for something to do and to help out family when needed? So when Carlin gets back to her apartment/new house, wouldn't this be exactly the type of thing Michaela supposedly went to nursing school for--to help out/look after?

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, Peanut6711 said:

Unnecessary stress indeed! And something (okay lots of things) feels fishy.  For starters, this many trips to the ER should have produced some progress if there is a real issue. So either the hospital is utterly incompetent (in which case I'm not sure why they wouldn't go to a different one) or they believe C&E are milking this for fame and clicks.  Some years back, I unfortunately developed a medical condition that landed me in the ER twice. (It was the local hospital in a semi-rural area that is not generally progressive.) Yet, I was still kept for observation in a private room for 2 days for testing and a specialist consult.  When additional incidents resulted in the second ER visit, I was again kept for another 24 hours to run tests that weren't run the first time after the ER doc noted my previous visit/stay and what was done. So I have a really hard time believing the doctors and nurses at this hospital are pulling up her chart, seeing how many times she's been in and her symptoms, and are not doing something more if there is a serious issues at hand.  Why not admit her for observation? Why not call in a consult? Why not get a breast pump sent down from Maternity for use while she's there? (The hospital grade ones were typically known to be the best/most efficient.)

 

They've been to at least 3 different ER's as I recall.  She's been to hospitals in both Knoxville and Nashville.  At one of them, she had a brain MRI with special studies of the blood vessels looking for bleeding or clots; it was done and read while they were there.  That indicates the ER was very well equipped and even had radiologist on call to read it right then.  So, at least in that instance, they were not in some rinky dink rural ER.

I think she has pretty well been cleared of any imminent, life threatening illnesses, since that is what ER's do and, despite their insistence that her condition is worsening, she seems to be just having variations on the same old 'episodes' she has been having.

I hate to be a cynic, but, take a look at the number of hits her medical posts are getting.  Over 100,000 and counting; far more than she's gotten for anything else she's done lately including giving birth.  If nothing else, that provides financial incentive for her to continue to up the ante on her situation, to repeatedly go to the ER, to keep the all caps, multiple exclamation point headlines coming.  They just had a kid, they just bought a house, their reality show has been canceled.  Seems to me that they must depend on social media for a lot of their income and, even if they aren't doing it consciously, spinning the tale the way they have has helped their bottom line a whole bunch.  I think dragging this whole thing out is working in their favor and they don't have much incentive to try to expedite a diagnosis.

You are correct that any hospital that has a pediatric unit and or maternity unit would have a breast pump available that any ER patient could use at least while there.  I think Carlin thinks that dragging the baby in with her makes her look like super mommy or makes for better photos and videos and I don't think it would occur to her to ask.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Notabug

[3 is enough]

Evan just posted an update.  She has been admitted and they are continuing to do tests.   No conclusive findings, but she is an inpatient at this point.

[65mickey]

I sure hope they can get a diagnosis and treatment plan for her. I feel for Carlin and Evan. Evan must feel like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Wonder if Kelly will make time to go see her daughter now that she is in the hospital.

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I sure hope they can get a diagnosis and treatment plan for her. I feel for Carlin and Evan. Evan must feel like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders. Wonder if Kelly will make time to go see her daughter now that she is in the hospital.

Kelly? Now that there's a photo op for the Gram, she'll show up. She might already be there, headed out after church. That's what she did for Alyssa.

[cereality]

I’m sure G&K will show up for an IG pic, maybe stay a few hrs or one day and that’s that - that’s what Alyssa got.

Evan looks exhausted and somber. I fully agree they are social media whores but come on look at his face — they aren’t doing this and then gleefully being like we got 100k views; not to mention even if he has great insurance - hospital copays etc +potential unpaid leave at work - are going to exceed what social media brings in by a long shot. Not to mention obv something is medically going on to admit her - it’s not like some ER dr said hmm you’d make $1000 on YT for this, ok you’re admitted?!

E has to stay in the hospital bc someone needs to be there if Carlin needs to move around - say to the bathroom; hospitals are so understaffed sometimes there’s not nurses aides to help with that. If G&K could come sit at the hospital for say 6-8 hrs, they could send him home to sleep. Not that the Stewarts couldn’t use a hand if they’d rather be there — they’re age 65+ full time handling a newborn + a 2 yr old likely freaking out bc mom and dad both left abruptly. Staying at the hospital for a while also let’s Evan go home and calm down his toddler.

Added - well G&K don’t appear that concerned, shocking. They didn’t rush out after church. Whit had mentioned hosting an afternoon BBQ at their house for their church family. She posted a few videos and yet when she pans the camera away from Z at the grill, you see Gil eating and fellowshipping. At this point their daughter had been in the hospital for at least 10-12 hrs assuming it’s a noon-2 pm type BBQ. Far be it for them to drop skip out on burgers and drive to Nashville - though who knows may they left late afternoon and are there now, though Evan gave no such indication.

 

Edited May 23, 2022 by cereality

[Jeanne222]

Plus I’m thinking about Carlin nursing her baby. How is that going to work out!

Yes she can pump but can Evan run back and forth with two ounces of milk every two hours?

They really do need family right now. They are young and this is a lot to handle. 

[emmawoodhouse]

11 minutes ago, cereality said:

I’m sure G&K will show up for an IG pic, maybe stay a few hrs or one day and that’s that - that’s what Alyssa got.

Evan looks exhausted and somber. I fully agree they are social media whores but come on look at his face — they aren’t doing this and then gleefully being like we got 100k views; not to mention even if he has great insurance - hospital copays etc +potential unpaid leave at work - are going to exceed what social media brings in by a long shot. Not to mention obv something is medically going on to admit her - it’s not like some ER dr said hmm you’d make $1000 on YT for this, ok you’re admitted?!

E has to stay in the hospital bc someone needs to be there if Carlin needs to move around - say to the bathroom; hospitals are so understaffed sometimes there’s not nurses aides to help with that. If G&K could come sit at the hospital for say 6-8 hrs, they could send him home to sleep. Not that the Stewarts couldn’t use a hand if they’d rather be there — they’re age 65+ full time handling a newborn + a 2 yr old likely freaking out bc mom and dad both left abruptly. Staying at the hospital for a while also let’s Evan go home and calm down his toddler.

I don't suspect Kelly would be so charitable. In the most recent update, poor Evan looked like he hadn't slept last night. It would be the least Kelly could do to stay at the hospital and let Evan go back to his parents' home and get some sleep.

Edited to note @cereality's update regarding the BBQ. That could have gone on without Kelly. Sure, Gil's the pastor and has to be there, but no one would have batted an eye if Kelly took off after the service. 

These people are despicable. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[cereality]

11 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Plus I’m thinking about Carlin nursing her baby. How is that going to work out!

Yes she can pump but can Evan run back and forth with two ounces of milk every two hours?

They really do need family right now. They are young and this is a lot to handle. 

This is a huge family so they don’t even have the logistic concerns of normal sized families, they just don’t want to ruin their fun. G&K need to get their asses to an AirBnb near the hospital or equidistant to the hospital and the Stewart home. Then G, K, and Evan trade off being with Carlin + being in the Stewart home w the kids, however Evan prefers it with some instances of “forcing” Evan to go back to the AirBnb at times to sleep and shower (which likely will be hard for him at his parents bc the moment he walks in Layla will cling to him). Plus bring one of the single jobless sibs preferably a son like Warden/Isiah/Trace - whoever Chad can spare 🙄. That son’s only job is to drive back and forth from the hospital to the Stewart home delivering milk whenever Carlin texts them; frankly bring 2 sons for this job so they can either drive in a new place together - or if that’s not needed, trade off for sleeping purposes bc this needs to happen all night.

Added - to be fair I don’t see Kelly in the quick BBQ shot. But would she go alone? I mean she does go to that bridal shop in Kentucky 3 hrs away but it’s always w a gaggle of ppl. In the shot I only see Gil and Isiah so presumably she could have gone taking Warden, Addie or Ellie - and hopefully NOT Jeb/Jud. This is a major situation and Evan needs adults to step in and his mom doesn’t need feral children to watch and feed in addition to the grandkids in her care.

Edited May 23, 2022 by cereality

[So unbelievable]

She may be on medications that aren't allowing her to pump.  

Evan doesn't need to be there round the clock.  He can leave at night, when no doctors round, and come back early morning.  Hospitals like some assistance from family, but a total liability if you are getting them out of bed.  At least the hospital I work at is like that. 

[Jeanne222]

25 minutes ago, So unbelievable said:

She may be on medications that aren't allowing her to pump.  

Evan doesn't need to be there round the clock.  He can leave at night, when no doctors round, and come back early morning.  Hospitals like some assistance from family, but a total liability if you are getting them out of bed.  At least the hospital I work at is like that. 

Say what we may about this young couple but they seem to be so I'm love with each other I don't think he wants to leave her.  He's more likely to be afraid of losing her.  😢  

I'm praying she comes out of this and the two of them can be happy again.  Sigh.

[So unbelievable]

28 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Say what we may about this young couple but they seem to be so I'm love with each other I don't think he wants to leave her.  He's more likely to be afraid of losing her.  😢  

I'm praying she comes out of this and the two of them can be happy again.  Sigh.

I understand that all too well.  When we were their age, my husband spent 29 days in ICU in a medically induced coma.  Then 64 more days in various units of the hospital.  I know the need to stay, but it just isn't possible.  

[GeeGolly]

I come from a pretty tight family and I don't see the Bates' actions (or inactions) as uncaring. What would they be doing other than getting in the way? I just figure they're talking with C & E daily and waiting until she gets home to step up and pitch in. Even if what Carlin has is serious, it does not appear to be life threatening, at least at this point, and may never be.

I would guess at this point everyone is desperate for a diagnosis, a nice easy treatable diagnosis. I shudder to think how Carlin and Evan would manage anything serious, but of course situations like this often times force immature folks to grow up quick.

I just want to add there's no correlation to being, say, a nervous Nelly, an uptight person or a high energy person and being diagnosed with anxiety. Personality has nothing to do with it, some very chill folks live with anxiety. Personality certain can impact the management of symptoms because thoughts/feelings/actions can make any situation worse or better, but its not a contributing factor to having anxiety.

 

[65mickey]

I think for a couple of people their age they are handling this very well, probably better than I would and I am older than both of them put together. This is pretty serious stuff. It may not be "life threatening" but it is definitely life altering. At this point Carlin cannot care for her children without major help, she cannot drive, she cannot run a household she cannot care for herself without help. Add that to the fact that they do not seem to  know what is wrong with her. I am sure that in addition to Evan being scared of losing Carlin, he is worried about his children, he is worried about his job and how he is going to pay for th new house with all of these medical bills piling up and possibly no income. 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I think for a couple of people their age they are handling this very well, probably better than I would and I am older than both of them put together. This is pretty serious stuff. It may not be "life threatening" but it is definitely life altering. At this point Carlin cannot care for her children without major help, she cannot drive, she cannot run a household she cannot care for herself without help. Add that to the fact that they do not seem to  know what is wrong with her. I am sure that in addition to Evan being scared of losing Carlin, he is worried about his children, he is worried about his job and how he is going to pay for th new house with all of these medical bills piling up and possibly no income. 

I agree they are likely very worried and at this point the situation is life altering. Maybe its just me, but I think if they really thought Carlin was near death the camera would be put down, or at the very least, the tone would be different. They're still very young and have that blessing/curse of not having fully developed frontal lobes. Worry typically comes with very different thoughts at younger ages than is does when we're older.

I'm guessing once they're home they'll be a rotation of Bates helping out with the kids and available for Carlin when she needs to get from point A to point B in the house.

As far as finances there are laws to protect Evans job and at least they have income from YT during anytime he's not taking home a paycheck. They likely have some passive income from Carlin's influencing as well if she has partnered with any companies.

I hope whatever is going on with Carlin is easily treatable and they soon can look back at this as a scary time that is behind them.

[Notabug]

10 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Plus I’m thinking about Carlin nursing her baby. How is that going to work out!

Yes she can pump but can Evan run back and forth with two ounces of milk every two hours?

They really do need family right now. They are young and this is a lot to handle. 

If she's admitted, she should have a breast pump right there in her room.  She can pump as needed, the nurses will give her sterile bottles and label them so they don't get lost and refrigerate them for her.

Some hospitals will allow nursing mothers to keep their baby with them.  They will even provide a bassinet from the nursery. Another adult must be present to care for the baby and the hospital won't provide any supplies (you'd be surprised how many visitors bring an infant with them and then expect that, somehow, the hospital will provide them with diapers and formula while they're hanging out-for free).  It depends, however, on what unit she is admitted to and whether she has a room mate as to whether the baby can stay overnight. It probably also depends on how many COVID and other infectious cases are there.  Hospitals are a terrible environment for a newborn.

As far as Evan needing to stay with her, I call baloney on that.  Dumb-dumb is in a hospital, she is a grown up.  She is in a hospital bed with a call button at her side.  What she needs to do is to notify the nursing station when she needs to pee and someone will come and help her as needed.  However, knowing Carlin, she kinda likes the attention she gets when she gets the vapors and falls to the floor;  she's the sort who would never call for help to prevent that.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Notabug

[65mickey]

Call for help to get out of bed to go to the bathroom in a hospital and the staff will get there when they get there especially if they are busy with other duties and this was pre Covid. Everyone that I know who has been in the hospital recently has been allowed to have one person with them if they are not able to get up on their own. I am sure Carlin is frightened and doesn't want to be alone. I think it is appropriate that Evan is there with her. 

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Everyone that I know who has been in the hospital recently has been allowed to have one person with them if they are not able to get up on their own.

For 24 hours, or during visiting hours?

[Notabug]

13 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Call for help to get out of bed to go to the bathroom in a hospital and the staff will get there when they get there especially if they are busy with other duties and this was pre Covid. Everyone that I know who has been in the hospital recently has been allowed to have one person with them if they are not able to get up on their own. I am sure Carlin is frightened and doesn't want to be alone. I think it is appropriate that Evan is there with her. 

I've worked in hospitals going on 40 years.  At no time, pre or post-COVID, have I ever known any hospital to require an outside person to provide care such as escorting to the rest room.  Many hospitals do have accommodations for a for a family member to spend the night if they want.  At least in hospitals where there were single patient rooms, there is often a chair that opens into another bed.  However, that person is under no obligation to provide care and, often, at least at first, the nurses would want to be called to be sure that the family member is capable of providing support before letting them do it alone.  There have been lawsuits filed by patients who fell after they and their significant other assured the staff that they were fine getting in and out of bed by themselves with just the family present.

As it is, Carlin's doctor undoubtedly has her on bedrest, meaning she is not to get out of the bed.  Not that she wouldn't do it anyway, but, someone who is admitted after repeatedly falling every time they stood up is not going to be getting out of bed regularly.  She may even have a catheter in her bladder.   I realize that she and Evan are not known for their common sense, but one would hope they are following instructions.

Edited May 23, 2022 by Notabug

[cereality]

Hospital are still slammed and understaffed. Sure there is a process for everything - call a nurses aide to go to the bathroom etc. But reality is most hospitals are requesting [though can't require] a family member to be present; just had that happen w/ an 80+ yr old family member who had freaking open heart surgery - the type of thing where you REALLY want the staff to be taking care of the person, not the family. Most hospitals don't have enough staff to have a nurses aide in the persons room the minute they have to go to the bathroom - often you're lucky if someone gets to you in a half hr. And in most families IF there is a way to help out the relative, they WANT to do that not be like - eh there are nurses, good luck, call me when you need a ride home. I mean Evan right now looks like he couldn't pee without freaking out that he's taking too long and shouldn't be away from Carlin.

As for - what would the Bates even do, they don't need to show up. Of course no one can do anything right now besides wait for all the testing. But do you really think Evan couldn't use a break - just looking at his face? Do you really think the Stewart grandparents couldn't use a hand with an infant and a toddler that they're now watching full time? They're 65+ yrs old + Evan has said before that his dad has health problems + they've been on call here for about 10 days now and now are on full time with two babies. I mean last weekend the plan was for Evan to leave on Monday leaving Carlin and the kids with his parents and working the week; clearly Evan or his parents felt that HE needed to stay too bc they couldn't watch 2 kids + watch Carlin + run her to the hospital as needed. So IDK that they they'd really be refusing any help from G&K to come take the grandkids off their hands for a half a day - or bringing Addie/Ellie to do so.

And do you know a lot of parents who are jobless + don't raise their own kids + have nothing to do all day + are sitting 3 hrs away and wouldn't visit their kid who has been in the hospital like 5 times in 10 days?? Even if there is nothing to do and they arrive and see that Evan and his parents are running a well oiled machine and it's evident they don't need to stay, do they not want to see their kid in person rather than whatever Facetime Evan is sending?? They act like they are 90+ yrs old and driving on the freeway to Nashville would be SO HARD - yet when it's time to go to Ms. Renee's, let's go. Or they act like they both have full time jobs and the damn boss just won't give them the time off [and those types of parents would visit on the weekends].

[Notabug]

8 minutes ago, cereality said:

Hospital are still slammed and understaffed. Sure there is a process for everything - call a nurses aide to go to the bathroom etc. But reality is most hospitals are requesting [though can't require] a family member to be present; just had that happen w/ an 80+ yr old family member who had freaking open heart surgery - the type of thing where you REALLY want the staff to be taking care of the person, not the family. Most hospitals don't have enough staff to have a nurses aide in the persons room the minute they have to go to the bathroom - often you're lucky if someone gets to you in a half hr. And in most families IF there is a way to help out the relative, they WANT to do that not be like - eh there are nurses, good luck, call me when you need a ride home. I mean Evan right now looks like he couldn't pee without freaking out that he's taking too long and shouldn't be away from Carlin.

As for - what would the Bates even do, they don't need to show up. Of course no one can do anything right now besides wait for all the testing. But do you really think Evan couldn't use a break - just looking at his face? Do you really think the Stewart grandparents couldn't use a hand with an infant and a toddler that they're now watching full time? They're 65+ yrs old + Evan has said before that his dad has health problems + they've been on call here for about 10 days now and now are on full time with two babies. I mean last weekend the plan was for Evan to leave on Monday leaving Carlin and the kids with his parents and working the week; clearly Evan or his parents felt that HE needed to stay too bc they couldn't watch 2 kids + watch Carlin + run her to the hospital as needed. So IDK that they they'd really be refusing any help from G&K to come take the grandkids off their hands for a half a day - or bringing Addie/Ellie to do so.

And do you know a lot of parents who are jobless + don't raise their own kids + have nothing to do all day + are sitting 3 hrs away and wouldn't visit their kid who has been in the hospital like 5 times in 10 days?? Even if there is nothing to do and they arrive and see that Evan and his parents are running a well oiled machine and it's evident they don't need to stay, do they not want to see their kid in person rather than whatever Facetime Evan is sending?? They act like they are 90+ yrs old and driving on the freeway to Nashville would be SO HARD - yet when it's time to go to Ms. Renee's, let's go. Or they act like they both have full time jobs and the damn boss just won't give them the time off [and those types of parents would visit on the weekends].

All of this points to how dysfunctional this family really is and how much the show was a piece of fiction with no connection to reality.  We also don't know that Evan and/or Carlin WANT her family there.  For all we know, they've offered and Carlin has declined their help.  You'd think there would be some sweet friends from their church who also have young kids who could at least take the toddler off the grandparents' hands, but that doesn't seem to have happened, either.  Kelly and Gil are not good parents, but, at least in their videos, Carlin and Evan appear to be getting very little help from anyone.  Of course, just like the show; it could be that they are choosing to give that impression and reality is very different.

[65mickey]

It could be that they feel like they need to be in Nashville where there are specialists who deal with whatever Carlin is suffering with.  I have a feeling that Evan trusts his parents to take care of Carlin and the children rather than the Bates who will be on the phone constantly or running off to get coffee and leaving a minor child to stay with Carlin and the children. 

[GeeGolly]

Now that Carlin has been admitted to the hospital maybe she'll get some visits from the Bates. 

I have a son who has had a host of medical issues throughout his life. We had/have lots of family and friends pitching in when needed. We also had friends and family who thought they were helping, but emotionally it seemed like more work for me. The saying too many cooks, spoil the broth is true.

Carlin does not need a family member with her 24/7 while she's hospitalized. I'm sure visits are nice and its great to have someone right there if a bathroom trip is needed, but its not like she needs to get up every half hour or hour.

I'm not sure why Evan's parents need a break from pitching in. It seems silly for someone to drive hours to give someone else a break for an hour or two, and the grandparents may not want a break. They may be enjoying this extra time with their granddaughters.

[65mickey]

11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Carlin does not need a family member with her 24/7 while she's hospitalized. I'm sure visits are nice and its great to have someone right there if a bathroom trip is needed, but its not like she needs to get up every half hour or hour.

Most of us can't schedule the need for a bathroom trip. When you need to go you need to go. I think it is wise that  Evan is in the room with Carlin. Someone needs to be there when the doctors come in with test results especially if Carlin is out of it from medication.  

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

've worked in hospitals going on 40 years.  At no time, pre or post-COVID, have I ever known any hospital to require an outside person to provide care such as escorting to the rest room.

I did not say that hospitals require an outside person to be there but that they are allowing it.

[Peanut6711]

Don't all hospitals have care status levels assigned to patients which would layout if Carlin can get out of bed on her own or not?  I know from my hospital stays for aforementioned medical condition as well as a routine surgery I had years before that, that you can be listed as (or upgraded to) "independent" in which case you are free to move around your room/go to the bathroom on your own/brush your teeth/wash up, etc. w/out a nurses' help.   And portable monitors make this more possible, especially if she was admitted for observation, in which case they may have kept her (admitted her) not because the last episode was necessarily any more severe or serious, but because this time they are finally aiming to get to the root of what's causing the issue. 

Visitors should also be clearly laid out in the current hospital policy per Covid restrictions. This could dictate if her parents and boatload of siblings can visit interchangeably or if Carlin has to designate 1 or 2 approved visitors. (Like Evan and one other person.)  I would think (hope) any virus spread conscious hospitals would not want all those Bates in and out of there.  Do we know which hospital she currently at/admitted to?  

53 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm not sure why Evan's parents need a break from pitching in. It seems silly for someone to drive hours to give someone else a break for an hour or two, and the grandparents may not want a break. They may be enjoying this extra time with their granddaughters.

I had this thought too.  I know lots of 65+ retired people who regularly babysat grandkids, great grandkids, etc.  Also, are Evan's siblings nearby that if his parents did need a break, say to attend an appointment of their own or just run some errands that they couldn't sit their niece and nephew for an hour or so?

[Notabug]

15 minutes ago, Peanut6711 said:

Don't all hospitals have care status levels assigned to patients which would layout if Carlin can get out of bed on her own or not?  I know from my hospital stays for aforementioned medical condition as well as a routine surgery I had years before that, that you can be listed as (or upgraded to) "independent" in which case you are free to move around your room/go to the bathroom on your own/brush your teeth/wash up, etc. w/out a nurses' help.   And portable monitors make this more possible, especially if she was admitted for observation, in which case they may have kept her (admitted her) not because the last episode was necessarily any more severe or serious, but because this time they are finally aiming to get to the root of what's causing the issue. 

Visitors should also be clearly laid out in the current hospital policy per Covid restrictions. This could dictate if her parents and boatload of siblings can visit interchangeably or if Carlin has to designate 1 or 2 approved visitors. (Like Evan and one other person.)  I would think (hope) any virus spread conscious hospitals would not want all those Bates in and out of there.  Do we know which hospital she currently at/admitted to?  

Yes, as part of her admission orders, there would be an activity order.  Someone who repeatedly gets faint and passes out hitting the ground multiple times a day is not going to be placed on unlimited activity.  While they need to discover if there is a problem with her heart, they do not need to have her fall and fracture her skull on the hard cement floors that hospitals have.  Or hit the edge of the bed, bathroom sink or floor of the shower, either.  At least a first, I would expect that Carlin will be told to stay in bed and only get up with someone at her side to assist her if she gets dizzy.  They might even place her on strict bedrest, and bring her a bedpan when she needs to use it.  Obviously, she might ignore all of that, but I would be be shocked if she was up ad lib by doctor's order.

Most hospitals still have visitor limits due to COVID.  The hospital where I work allows 2 visitors per day.  Those two must register at the main desk when they arrive and sign in and out each time with their ID.   They can come and go as they wish, but it is only 2 people total per day.  I presume her husband will be one of her designated people every day.  However, it doesn't appear that her greatest need is for company anyway.

[Peanut6711]

17 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Yes, as part of her admission orders, there would be an activity order.  Someone who repeatedly gets faint and passes out hitting the ground multiple times a day is not going to be placed on unlimited activity.  While they need to discover if there is a problem with her heart, they do not need to have her fall and fracture her skull on the hard cement floors that hospitals have.  Or hit the edge of the bed, bathroom sink or floor of the shower, either.  At least a first, I would expect that Carlin will be told to stay in bed and only get up with someone at her side to assist her if she gets dizzy.  They might even place her on strict bedrest, and bring her a bedpan when she needs to use it.  Obviously, she might ignore all of that, but I would be be shocked if she was up ad lib by doctor's order.

I would still be inclined to think that she is probably allowed activity with supervision, whether that's the nurses or Evan being by her side when she's out of bed/goes to the bathroom. Now Evan and Carlin may want people envisioning her committed to bedrest and stationary monitoring for clicks and views and attention because the more dire it sounds the more hits they get, but given how many times she's been sent home from the ER as well as the irregularity of these spells (significant periods of time in between) and the fact that presumably they don't happen when she is resting, then complete and utter bedrest would seem counter-productive.  

Incidentally, didn't she have a episode last week when she had the heart monitor on? That should have given them some data to go off of. 

Having been through medical issues myself I know that getting the answers isn't always fast, sometimes it feels like you have to jump through hoops, and it is indeed worrisome, but something about C&E feels like they are milking this too.  Like I don't think they'd spend all this money (medical fees) for content, but I do believe if they can make a buck off a medical crisis, they sure would.  

[Notabug]

1 hour ago, Peanut6711 said:

I would still be inclined to think that she is probably allowed activity with supervision, whether that's the nurses or Evan being by her side when she's out of bed/goes to the bathroom. Now Evan and Carlin may want people envisioning her committed to bedrest and stationary monitoring for clicks and views and attention because the more dire it sounds the more hits they get, but given how many times she's been sent home from the ER as well as the irregularity of these spells (significant periods of time in between) and the fact that presumably they don't happen when she is resting, then complete and utter bedrest would seem counter-productive.  

Incidentally, didn't she have a episode last week when she had the heart monitor on? That should have given them some data to go off of. 

Having been through medical issues myself I know that getting the answers isn't always fast, sometimes it feels like you have to jump through hoops, and it is indeed worrisome, but something about C&E feels like they are milking this too.  Like I don't think they'd spend all this money (medical fees) for content, but I do believe if they can make a buck off a medical crisis, they sure would.  

It seems like she should have had the cardiac monitor on during her most recent episodes before returning to the ER and being admitted.  However, this is Carlin we're talking about; she and Evan decided she would do nothing but lie in bed and get up only to use the bathroom for the first couple days she had the monitor.  Knowing her, she might've decided to take it off when she got up.

I do not think Carlin would be on complete bedrest forever, but I would not be surprised if she was at least until morning rolled around and the consulting physician could see her and decide how to do it safely.  She's spent days on end stumbling around the countryside, going wherever she wanted, falling down everywhere she went; there is no way that is going to be allowed to continue in the hospital.  At the most, she would have bathroom privileges only and only with assistance.  Falls are a huge deal in hospitals and something that JCAHO monitors when assessing the quality of care. A hospital can endanger their licensure if there are too many patient falls or if they do not have a comprehensive prevention plan for every patient.  Every single person admitted is assessed as to their risk of falling, including falling out of bed and anyone at high risk to fall, like Carlin, would have a very specific activity plan in writing from the get-go.  I would expect them to keep the railings up on the bed at all times to remind her not to get up unassisted, etc, 

Edited May 23, 2022 by Notabug

[Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Call for help to get out of bed to go to the bathroom in a hospital and the staff will get there when they get there especially if they are busy with other duties and this was pre Covid. Everyone that I know who has been in the hospital recently has been allowed to have one person with them if they are not able to get up on their own. I am sure Carlin is frightened and doesn't want to be alone. I think it is appropriate that Evan is there with her. 

Yes, they’re busy. Last time I was hospitalized, I was hooked up to a heart monitor and the IV stand. I pressed the button and asked for help, because I wanted to go to the bathroom and brush my teeth, lol. I had to wait quite a while for someone to come because they were busy with sicker patients. And I was fine with that. I learned how to remove my heart monitor (and reattach it when I returned to bed) and walk with the IV stand. It was 10-15 feet away. Not a traumatic experience and adults should learn to handle it. I highly doubt she is unable to get up on her own anyway. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by Cinnabon

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Most of us can't schedule the need for a bathroom trip. When you need to go you need to go. I think it is wise that  Evan is in the room with Carlin. Someone needs to be there when the doctors come in with test results especially if Carlin is out of it from medication.  

I did not say that hospitals require an outside person to be there but that they are allowing it.

If she truly is unable to get out of bed, she’ll have a catheter. Otherwise she can manage the 10 ft on her own or wait a few minutes. Doctors will make sure patients understand what they’re saying and will give instructions when the patient is awake and clear. These are adults, not children.

[lookeyloo]

I just read an article by a young formerly fit and athletic woman and she described her long Covid and it sounds very similar to what we know about Carlin.  We don't know everything of course, and there may be medical tests to check out more options, but, I wonder if this will be part of it.  And will they admit to it if so.

As far as needing help in the hospital.  When Sweet son was in the hospital, his husband stayed with him.  This was before the Covid restrictions.  The nurses and support staff on the oncology floor were very lovely and caring, but, in the scheme of things then, Sweet Son wasn't nearly as sick as mostly everyone else on that wing.  So if he did press a call button it took a long time for help.  Very lovely when they got there but we could hear all kinds of commotion and knew there were very sick people needing care.  The last time he was in the hospital it was during Covid and he had to be alone and that experience was terrible for him.  And us.  This is a major teaching network hospital associated with a University Medical School in a Big City.

[emmawoodhouse]

I certainly hope that Carlin has told the doctors that she had Covid, and how many times. We've suspected Long Covid here, but that has kind of been pushed into the background as they gave her the heart monitor and brain MRI with an EEG on tap.

[riverblue22]

I too read about long Covid this morning and a young woman who had symptoms similar to Carlin's.  That wouldn't help her diagnosis though to throw that in. I'm wondering if it could be adult-onset epilepsy.

Seizures come in many different types. In some, such as tonic-clonic seizures (convulsions), you lose consciousness and fall to the floor. This is because there is electrical activity in both halves of your brain. Others, such as focal (partial) seizures can be difficult to recognise. This is because they are more likely to cause you to have things like confusion or memory problems. And some might cause you to have a strange taste or smell something that isn’t there

Edited May 23, 2022 by riverblue22

[ginger90]

Carlin has been discharged and they are heading home. Evan is going to put in for FMLA.

[cereality]

Wow Evan likely headed out on unpaid FMLA to be w Carlin 24-7 per dr advice. That’s going to be rough. Assuming he can get FMLA as he hasn’t worked as an electrician for a yr though hopefully apprenticeship counts towards the 1 yr requirement for FMLA eligibility or he’s going to have to quit. This is going to be rough esp w a mortgage.

[emmawoodhouse]

I watched the story. I wasn't clear whether they were headed back to Knoxville or going somewhere else. The baby was with them, but I didn't see Layla. 

I hope they have savings. They're going to have to get out of the apartment ASAP. 

[ginger90]

Carlin said they were headed home and that would be a bit if a drive. Layla was in the car, she was singing.

[emmawoodhouse]

Ah okay. I had the sound low and was concentrating on Carlin. Totally missed Layla but heard the baby. 

[ginger90]

30 minutes ago, cereality said:

hopefully apprenticeship counts towards the 1 yr requirement

If he was paid, it does.

[SMama]

This would be a good time for Kelly to act as the Christian she claims to be and step up to help one of her 19 blessings. I hope she proves me wrong but she’ll just guilt Michaela into becoming an au pair, along with her underage daughters. Evan should be able to still provide for his family. So much lip service about being so close and having servant’s hearts. Big pile of excrement. I hope they don’t end up with financial difficulties just when they bought a house. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Kelly didn't show up in Nashville, despite having a week to do so. If Carlin's gets any help.from her family, it will be because she asked for it. Even Michael has a husband at home who needs to be fed (I'm pretty sure Brandon works from home). 

I hope the boutique is doing well. It will apparently be their sole source of income for a while, aside from whatever they can make from YouTube.

Edited May 24, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[GeeGolly]

Do we know when their apartment lease is up? Is it the 31st? I thought I read a post of theirs that their new home was being painted when they were in California. It really is a crappy time to be moving. Maybe that's as much of the reason Evan is using FMLA because they have a lot going on between Carlin needing an adult around, the babies and moving.

As far as the symptoms they've shared, the only concern with Carlin being alone is her falling. One person at a time would certainly be enough to care for her and the kids, so maybe Evan can switch off with others between being home with Carlin and getting the new house ready.

As far as having to pee throughout the day, whether in the hospital or at home, Carlin has never indicated she has any bladder issues. Anyone that has attended a sports event, a concert, or visits to a large park knows they may have to hold it a little longer than usual and I see no reason why this would be an issue for Carlin.

[Cinnabon]

13 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Do we know when their apartment lease is up? Is it the 31st? I thought I read a post of theirs that their new home was being painted when they were in California. It really is a crappy time to be moving. Maybe that's as much of the reason Evan is using FMLA because they have a lot going on between Carlin needing an adult around, the babies and moving.

As far as the symptoms they've shared, the only concern with Carlin being alone is her falling. One person at a time would certainly be enough to care for her and the kids, so maybe Evan can switch off with others between being home with Carlin and getting the new house ready.

As far as having to pee throughout the day, whether in the hospital or at home, Carlin has never indicated she has any bladder issues. Anyone that has attended a sports event, a concert, or visits to a large park knows they may have to hold it a little longer than usual and I see no reason why this would be an issue for Carlin.

You know who really has to hold their pee because they’re so busy and overwhelmed they literally can’t go when they want/need to? Nurses. And factory workers who often get timed and shamed for taking too many or too long bathroom breaks. Carlin can wait a few minutes if necessary.