TheFinalRose

Heather's eyebrows? What is going on there? How can she not see how weird they look, since she is so fabulous in every other way? (lol). That house disgusted me and so did Heather's attitude about it. I wonder if she ever slows down for a moment and thinks "we don't really need this," or, "why are we doing this?" Well, scratch that. I know why they are doing it, IMO, because Dr. Dubrow is an insecure doofus and he just needs to show off. Brooks is still gross. Brooks eating is always grosser. Shannon looked puffier, and I don't think David looks that great either...his hair seems thinner? Anyway, I like Shannon, but ... um...relationship crystals? Okay. David seems very weak-willed to me...he's passive aggressively trying to get kicked out but Shannon isn't having it. The thing is I like Shannon but I don't like how she acts with or to David. What a mess. Hope things get better for them as filming progresses because that was hard to watch.

It looked to me as if JJ was swatting a bug, not hitting himself, too. But, whatever. Hitting himself is better teevee. "Good luck with your hair," That's why all these women fall for Nick. I don't see the ick in him; he seems like the kind of nice, open, there for you guy that women always say that they want. Minus the on-teevee famewhore angle. The Aladdin promo worked for me: I would definitely buy a ticket if I was in NYC cuz I love those Disney movies. Also, did JJ just out himself when he said he only listens to Broadway soundtracks, or was that his one and only expression of dry wit? Ashley I's outfit was a tad inappropriate for a children's play, no? . And why are they always stumbling around like drunks every time the camera is turned on? Except for Cupcake and Ben H, this is the least photogenic group of guys cast ever. Kaitlyn must have really been raunchier on Chris' season than they showed us because the casting people just collected the rejects of the applicants, save one or two keepers for potential Bachelors.

Winner!!! Hey Jez, I mean, I can shorten your handle to Jez because we post on the same forum, right? We're besties now because I quoted your post, right? NO? Wow, what's wrong with you???? Anyway, yes! Heather sees Carole, Princess of Coleslawvania (love that name someone coined on another thread) slipping out of her claws. I think Bethenny incites jealousy in Heather, and the Skinny Girl success has got to be part of it, whether it is unconscious or not on Heather's part. Heather works hard, has worked hard, but Bethhenny did not invest the same amount of time into Skinny Girl before she cashed in. So Hanes hasn't bought out YummieTummie yet despite two seasons of Bravo exposure? Yes, it's probably not happening. Not to knock Heather for that, those are real human emotions, but I for one don't think Heahter is always coming from a good place. She is coming from a place where she is seeking to soother her needs, it's just that Heather gets off helping people, but it's still uncomfortable for the "helpee." Jonathon's "hey, let's drink more sake" response to his wife was classic. I noticed that too. He sure has finely honed "I am on camera now" reflexes.

One, great episode. Dorinda's house has to be one of my favorites from this show, ever. The setting was so perfect, except her decor isn't exactly my style, but at least it had personality...it hadn't been turned into some faux mid-century interior that is now all in on Pinterest. Still, I agree with ScoobieDoobs: I am never more terrified than when I am staying out in the country somewhere isolated on vacation. Second best thing about this episode: Minimal Sonja schtick. And the fact is she will need to give John the heave ho so she can be open to finding someone better. Was it me, or was John lying to her about the time he left NYC when he came in the door? I mean, anyone can cry when someone is sitting next to them pouring their heart out, but John lacks basic respect for Dorinda by being a hound dog in front of her. I get that he is Mr. Right Now for her, except he is also Mr. Two Years of Her Life at this point too. Bethenny is really raw. Could it be the holidays setting her off? I'm guessing here, but maybe she is really feeling the lack of a warm big family now that she has nothing on her end to offer Brynn in that department? I really feel for her, yeah, she's harsh and brittle but also seems truly sad. I do not think Andy and Bethenny envisioned her return as a series of sobbing fits. Because Heather isn't okay unless she's the number one, go to, I-can-fix-that-for-you person in your life. It's very egotistical, IMO. Just sit back and let other people's lives fall apart Heather without seeing it as an opportunity to pump yourself up by suggesting "the answer." I like when Ramona (I think it was Ramona, maybe some other face) said that Bethheny wants to figure it out on her own. I don't think it's necessarily that Bethenny is more successful, it's that Bethenny can't be bothered with Heather. If Bethenny gave two cents to her Heather would be all over her. And I personally would hate it if someone marched over to me when I was sitting at dinner and grabbed my hand to lead me out of the room like I was two. Heather is over the top. Carole is being redeemed in my eyes. No mention of the chef in this episode.

Yeah, Kaitlyn's fine in my book. I mean, what is she supposed to do? I imagine she wakes up each morning and there's a call sheet slipped under her door with a time to leave and a list of what other actors/future husbands will be working the show today with her, and then a location/setting. Plus a description of what other clothes to pack with her. These dates have to be prepped in advance, probably permits issued for filming, etc. Her job is to study the Bachelor phraseology handbook (that being said, my husband is in the room) and then work it for the cameras. So I don't have a fault with her, I have a fault with Fleiss and Harrison for injecting the roughness and physical violence into the show. I think I would have given the Sumo wrestlers a pass if I hadn't had to witness that HORRIBLE boxing last week. What's up for next week, surgery without anesthesia? Ugh. Also, so Kaitlyn isn't a princess-y type, so what? Lot's of women aren't but you don't have to go 180 in the opposite direction with your dates. Then I have a fault with the trashy guys on this show. Ben H and Dr. Cupcake seem to be the only clean cut, tattoo-less guys in the bunch. Of course, maybe their tatoos are hidden? I thought that was weird too. She's strong enough to kick him out and fifteen minutes later she's gone? And doesn't he have damage from being the only one that mom kicked out of the house when it was time to go? As for the sex ed, it wasn't funny. It made terrible tv. Who thought that the Bachelor audience would enjoy that?

It's the sign of desperation. They don't feel we will come back next week unless we have some kind of confrontational cliff hanger. They are messing with the tried and true formula that has made this show last how many seasons? I have a feeling Chris Harrison is behind that move .... he seems to be more into the design of the show nowadays. Maybe mixing it up because he is bored but that's not the way to do it, dumbos. This episode was over the top. And to think it was just last season when Kelsey and Ashley had their date on a bed in the middle of the desert. Now they are beating each other up and being terrorized by photos of Britt. Weird.

I was in Oprah's audience once. They go through your purse; I remember they took a little blank notebook I had and of course cell phones (although this was before everyone had smart phones) during filming but there was no gag order on talking about what you saw. So I imagine if the Duggar episode was filmed those audience members would not be sworn to silence.

I think Whitney went a little insane, frankly. She seemed really desperate, in so far as her thought process regarding the move to Arlington was nothing more than: "Did I ever circle Arlington on a map and say that's where I want to be? No, but ..." then she would go on to rationalize this lame reasoning by saying that life doesn't always turn out as we planned. Well, duh, no, but you do have some choice in the matter Whitney. Obviously from some of the comments Chris made Whitney's geographical proximity (chicago being close to IA) gave her an advantage, and I think Whitney got excited about Chris having a sister in Winnetka and Chris being familiar with the city made it seem kind of like fate. If you don't know Winnetka it is super ritzy, treelined, movie set gorgeous town with old homes on the lake north of Chicago. Very aspirational. I think Whitney imagined some kind of life there with her and Chris with the farm kind of like a weekend home, honestly. This kind of reminds me of Travis Stork's choice of the girl around the corner who he was obviously not that into either. So beware the uninspired geographically convenient Bachelor match!

Surprise, surprise, surprise, not! I actually feel relieved for Whitney. She should be able to pick up a new guy now in the River North or Lincoln Park bars, so she'll be fine.

I get the feeling Heather is the one that is expendable this season, at least in Andy's mind. As a viewer I'm not a big fan of Heather because she doesn't bring to the show any of the visual elements of NYC that I want to see: we don't see her home, or her family life. She's not bringing interesting connections into the show and despite his niceness, Jonathon doesn't really light up the screen, or act as a polarizing character like John the beefy dry cleaner does, or Mario the sleaze did, or Kristen's husband with his dickish-ness did. The most she offered up was a country home without air-conditioning. So it's time to use her as bait. Can I just say how adorable I thought Dorinda looked at the caviar party? Something about the lighting with her hair, IDK, I find her looks very intriguing. If I knew her in real life I would probably have a girl-crush on her and be just as perplexed as to why she lugs that version of a man around with her. I go back and forth with Carole but I thought her reaction to Bethenny crying in CB2 was awesome. They are not close friends, Carole's been through some stuff herself, so she doesn't really act like the sky is falling everytime someone gets sad. Now that was the kind of cool chick persona that I got a kick out of. Plus that political consultant meeting was hilarious. I am sure she had to keep herself from busting out laughing the whole time.

The most exciting part of the episode was when I realized that Carole was heating up Trader Joe's Parmesan Pups for her election results party. Those puppies are delicious!!! I recognize the trademark light blue trim on the box. Is International Luxury Lifestyle some kind of codeword or mantra Sonja uses to communicate with Bethenny? Because she said it again tonight to her at the magazine party. And just my opinion, I did not think that cover shot of Sonja was flattering. But I don't "get" her beauty in the first place. Otherwise, um, yawn. Looking forward to seeing Dorinda's Berkshires house next week.

I picture Boob being a pissed off, stay-out-of-my-way-there's-hell-to-pay-now kind of a guy since he heard the story was going to break, or since at least Friday when TLC pulled the show. Now someone is going to pay for this situation, and it isn't him. But of course, it does all come down to JimBoob, as the head of the household, for the mess everyone is in. And here's another thing that irks me. Why are the high and mighty Godly folks yammering on about forgiveness like it's any of our business but ignoring the fact that this Christian family lied about their perfect family and profited from their lies for years? How does the Duggar conscience absolve themselves for that so easily? They profited greatly from their hypocrisy. The only consolation is that the money will stop rolling in and whatever they do have won't last to heat that house and buy tater tots for all those mouths anymore and the next thing we know JimBoob will probably be kicking the kids out of the house as soon as they turn 18 because he can't afford them.

I do not buy into the lore that Emily deserves to be put on a pedestal as the epitome of what a Bachelorette should be. IMO she was a superficial, plastic person whose southern accent gave her a veneer of charm. She gets no credit for me for being a bleached blonde with a boob job and Crest strip white teeth Barbie doll equivalent. I'd much rather see tattooed brown-haired Kaitlyn who doesn't put on airs and has a big laugh that she's free with for a nice change. Although I have to agree that the guys on Emily's season were awesome, but she doesn't get the credit for that ... Arie and Jef were just great guys. I would like to see a dual Bachelor season with Arie and Jef and both of them going on dates. I bet Bachelor Nation would show up for that season in droves. Except you know that grown ass man Chris Bukowski would somehow have to involve himself in that too.

I admired her for saying it. I have to confess that I thought being a SAHM would be wonderful! and oh, my, gosh, was the reality of it all an eye opener. In fact I envy Cameran's eyes-wide-open attitude. I am extremely grateful for the fact that I was able to be the primary caregiver for my children and they have added so much joy to my life but I wish I had half of the awareness that Cameran displayed beforehand. I might have done a few things differently for myself and I will certainly be honest with my daughter who is already making comments about wanting to be a SAHM. The few times I told her it was hard work she seemed to bristle at the notion! Also, Cameran's husband is a doctor who may not be able to compromise easily between work and home life. I always referred to it as a live chicken living inside my uterus.

Yes, tres chic. However, the bottom half of Carole's face is starting to scare me.

The boxing was horrible. And just when society is increasing its concussion-awareness ABC goes ahead with this? I cannot understand how their lawyers okay'd blows to the head. Truly stupid. And did the big mean doofus in the last match really have to go for it like that? Looked more like a case of simple assault to me. I am going to go on record as saying Kaitlyn is an awesome Bachelorette. I love how free she is with her laughter -- I have immense respect for her laughing at everything, because this show deserves zero gravitas if you are one of its main players. I thought she looked so cute in her boxing getup. If she looked like she was laughing at the "tragic" stories of the men, well I'm sure she was awarding them points for planning ahead and bringing up their tragic camera time stories in episode two, and not pulling a Kelsey and panicking in episode five or six. Is it my tv, or does JJ also have bad teeth? And I consider myself fairly aware, but I have no idea who Amy Shumer is. Where did she come from? Seriously. Agreed. And is it me, or does anyone else feel that anytime Britt and Brady are together they lose their ability to walk straight? I like Dr. Cupcake and his mint green shirt line. Also, who does Clint look like? We could not figure it out, but he looks like someone. And he is an architectural engineer? Kaching! $$$$$$$ End the show now Kaitlyn and run off with Clint, if you have any brains in that pretty head of yours. The Healer Dude is not cutting it for me on the metaphysical level. If anyone saw the most recent season of Survivor they had one of the most ridiculous archetypes of the sensitive, in touch with the universe spirits I'd ever seen. He got voted off right away but left a lasting impression and this guy on the Bachelorette pales by comparison.

She just looked like Cruella deVille. IMO she should run away from TRav, not toward him. Why pursue a life with a man with a character like his? He has already promised things to Kathryn and not delivered, for sure he'll be promising things to Kensie and not deliver to her as well down the road. The man does not keep his word, or seem to have any self-discipline. Let it go. Seriously, Kathryn would be better off with Craig, we've seen Craig's home life so at least we know that a good example has been set for him by his parents. I think Landon's pop-up was a way of establishing a presence in the Charleston interior design scene without having to invest in long-term retail space. I thought what we saw was an unfinished pop-up that would be more design-oriented; she said her mom was a designer and that's where Landon got her interest. And yikes, who did Shep piss off in production? Two years of favorable editing and then bam! We are left with the last impression of Shep acting like a class A jerk. Oh well, never mind. I'm sure all will be forgiven at the reunion and he will charm us all over again.

Well, I honestly never expected to see Mario Buatta show up on one of my Bravo shows, but, cool. However, I had second hand embarrassment for him having to sit there and listen to them discussing Kathryn's psychotic episodes (P.E.s). In what crazy universe does a conversation with Mario Buatta not revolve around decorating and his fabulous life, but instead on that strumpet? Oh well, at least he insulted Whitney's pants. So my dvr cut off but apparently there was no more recap other than Craig going back to Mommy? I thought they'd at least fill us in on the status of those scions of SC, the Dennis/Ravenal family. And Landon is just too sad to be on this show. She's just kind of painful. I guess we'll find out where things stand now for everyone on the reunion, I hope.

I have a question. I have watched a lot of the shows, and I know who some of the lil'Duggars are. Here are the characters I know: Josh, Anna, Jessa, Ben, Jill & Derrik, Jinger. And then there are a bunch of little kids who all look alike. The ones who don't stick out in my mind are Janna (jana?) and does she have a twin named JD? I think that is what I have picked up over the past few days mainly from this board. So Janna and JD are the ones that Josh made the joke that was recently featured on People magazine's website which went something like: Jana and JD can be Josh and Anna's chaperone and it would be like a double date cuz they are from Arkansas, y'all. People called it an "incest" joke. So, did I also read on this board that JD is the only Duggar kid who is not married that doesn't live with the family? Did I imagine that? Is that true? If so, why is he living somewhere else?

Well I for one AM waiting to hear about Sonja's townhouse and her open windows and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for reporting the details to us ScoobieDoobs. If I lived near a housewife I would be walking my dogs past her home twice a day and taking photos too. Perhaps Sonja is in Gstaad or St Tropez with her smokey eye and updo for Memorial Day weekend?

Coleslawvania!!!!! Too funny. And Cote de Texas is a great house porn site. I like it even better now that she has stopped obsessing over Twilight being the greatest love story evah. RIP Charlie Trotter.

Obviously get good help, that may require years' worth of time and money in investment. Oh, and also NOT GO ON TELEVISION smugging it over America about our perfect pure family. Dawn16 I feel the same. I feel that as soon as Boob and MEchelle went on television exploiting their family for cash and fame but fooling themselves that they were doing it all in the name of JESUS, they were building up their own destruction and Josh's too. They might have been woefully inadequate as parents dealing with the abuse and cherishing their daughters as victims, in private. I am sure many familes fare poorly in this regard but the key here is "in private" I do not judge their attempts to handle the situation because I have not had to walk that walk. However, knowing the situation they had on their hands, they then proceeded to essentially make a deal with the devil (TLC) to pimp their family out as perfect and pure and as an EXAMPLE of Christian living. On their way, they made millions of dollars, became FAMOUS and ate all that up with huge smiles on their faces. Their giant egos justified the money and fame and material gain by saying they were doing it all to glorify God. However, their sheltered ignorant schtick could never serve them well when it comes to the monster that is the media. It fed on their good times and they are seeing now how it will feed on their bad times. So, what do they have in the end for all their attempted good works? First, $$$ (of course!) Second, their firstborn son is now famous for being a teenage sibling molestor. He would have still been a teenage sibling molester without going on tv, but not known all over for it. Also, now their daughters are known as Famous sibling molester victims. They would have still been victims without tv, but now everyone knows their sorrow. None of these children can ever look at a stranger again without wondering: Are they thinking about if my brother touched me, and where? Are they wondering if he did worse and we are hiding it? Moral of the story Jesus never needed Boob and MEchelle on tv to help him out. He's been doing a pretty good job on his own for over 2000 plus years. Boob and MEchelle's egos choose the fame and the money and the "our way is the right way" platform and as usual, the higher the climb the bigger the fall. As a result they've ruined their son's reputation. That's what they should be apologizing for. But they will never understand that the way to have avoided all of this in the first place was to have never let the cameras in. They should have known that if the molesting story ever got out Josh would be ruined. And now he is. So it's kind of Biblical that they paid the price with the good name of their first born son. Just my opinion.

#8 on that worksheet is the WORST. "If you had to choose no physical abuse or growing spiritually? Clearly they are meant to choose growing spiritually as the CORRECT answer.

Speaking of picking up men, US Magazine has a story that she went home with Dr. Paul Nassif, Adrienne Maloof's ex. Multiple sources confirm it. LOL. That would be a hilarious pairing. I hope it sticks.

I really dislike the wording of the TLC statement: '..our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time." Ugh. That's sounds like what you say when someone dies and not when egregiously bad parenting is revealed. Also, do you think JimBoob and MEchelle sound sorry about this? I don't. I think the only victims in this are the girls and they are the ones deserving of prayers, because it will take a miracle to extricate them from Boob and MEchelle's influence. Plus what does this mean from the Duggar statement: "Even though we would never choose to go through something so terrible, each one of our family members drew closer to God. We pray that as people watch our lives they see that we are not a perfect family. We have challenges and struggles everyday. It is one of the reasons we treasure our faith so much because God’s kindness and goodness and forgiveness are extended to us — even though we are so undeserving. We hope somehow the story of our journey — the good times and the difficult times — cause you to see the kindness of God and learn that He can bring you through anything." But they didn't do any of the above. I thought they did want to portray themselves as a perfect family. They hid the real struggles and challenges they were going through by putting up a false front. JimBoob and MEchelle need counseling. And I think Anna qualifies for an annulment, if they have those in fundie land, if she wants one. She was clearly too young and innocent to understand what Josh had done to make a solid judgment on the kind of man she was marrying or to "forgive" him. Also, if their publishers are smart, I can see a "revised" edition of Growing Up Duggar blowing up the charts.