TheFinalRose

Ugh. All I remember from this episode was too much lipstick! Disgusting. That Juellia! What a fun gal to bring to the party. I can just see her mind spinning: Oh, no! No cocktail party tonight, I might be going home without telling Chris the horrible story of my husband's suicide, which got me cast on the show! Must hurry and grab cameraman now! You know she's a goner next week, only because her sob story gained her immunity this week. Whitney must seem like one of Chris' sisters or a classy wife of a friend of his to make him swoon over her so much. I think the combination of her maturity, and their attendance at the wedding, where her civilized behavior and good manners showed off well, put Whitney on a pedestal for him. I think he thought, hey, this could be my life, having a classy woman (not a Kardashion-ho) on my arm. Kind of like George Clooney realizing that being with Amal Alamuddin made him seem like a smarter guy. Although I for one am not over Whitney's voice. I thought Kimmel was hilarious. We are always ragging at the Bachelor because the dates are so unreal; so Jimmy sent them to Costco and made them shop for supplies and dinner. The look on what's her face's face (I still can only connect one or two names to faces, yeah, Britt and Whitney, the rest are all generics) when she realized they had to get out of the car at Costco was priceless. I thought Kimmel was a good, one time gag, much better than seeing Sean and Catherine appear again, which is probably most likely still going to happen.

Best episode ever is the Brooks breaking up with Des. We watch that one a lot...yeah, I know how mean am I? It was just the realest episode, and when you know what is coming it's even more heartbreaking to watch. I am one of those people that really liked Des and am so happy for her and Chris. Of course, I thought Chris was great for her from the beginning and wish them a great life together. I totally don't understand why Chris Harrison ignores them.

Nick must be thrilled! I wonder if he's over her, or if he still wants her back.

Quoting my own quote from upthread in response to above quote regarding Andi and Josh: Well, well, well. Rarely do my dreams and wishes come true so quickly! I wonder how Nick is feeling tonight! HAHAHA. I wonder if Chris Harrison is mad at Andi for lying through her teeth the other night. I guess we are in for a "Andi and Josh, what went wrong?" segment on the upcoming After the Final Rose show. As for the debate over Chris' attractiveness. I thought he was attractive in Andi's season, and was all for Farmer Chris for the Bachelor. But then the other night I couldn't see it anymore. And I can't figure out why. I'll have to evaluate him again after episode 2.

Wait, do people actually watch this show without doing something else at the same time?

Me neither. Her sense of humor seems to revolve around dissing Sean. Sometimes I hear the things she says and wonder when he's going to wake up. Do they have jobs outside of social media/Bachelor appearances? I think we used to comment on the Bachelor in Paradise thread that he looked clinically depressed, a lot. Last night when they did a crowd shot of the audience there was Marcus, looking just like Eeyore. I hope Lacey knows what she's getting into. Of course, to me, it's a red flag to be engaged and planning a wedding but not have a date picked out. Cuz when I got engaged I got out that calendar and looked at all the Saturdays in the summer and picked one out RIGHT AWAY. I don't care about Marcus and Lacey (see above comments) but I sure as heck am annoyed at Fleiss and Harrison for IGNORING Des and Chris and not making any plans to televise their wedding. How/why do they act like they don't exist or we aren't happy for them? But we still have to see that annoying Deahhnnaa over and over again? Ugh. I thought that was the stupidest gimmick and just a waste of time. Of course they were not going to film with fifteen girls. I was wondering if that was a split second decision by Chris Harrison, who IMO is getting desperate for each season to have some kind of dramatic twist for dramatic twist's sake. They can't just leave the human craziness on its own to provide drama, they have to manufacture it, which turns out to be transparent and boring. What I want to know is were those other limos filled up with girls and parked outside the Casa deBachelore for three hours? I would not be surprised if that was what happened and those delayed limos were filled with dehydrated, melting bachelorettes who did not know why their journey to love was suddenly sidelined. That was interesting for the first thirty seconds, and then it seemed like they had allotted way too much time for their interview with Nikki before cutting to the commercial. I mean, IMO all you need to say to Nikki is "You lasted longer with him than we thought you would." Yes. Her "she didn't shower" comment was just catty and not funny. She came off mean. Confession: I want them to break up so bad. I can't stand either of them. There, I feel better. SIgh. I was so bored last night. I know the first episode is always different because we are all just getting to know each other but, yawn, it just wasn't good or funny. Nevertheless, it appears that the upcoming season will include the requisite medical emergency, which is really the highpoint of the season for me. I liked the idea of Chris as the Bachelor, but he was kind of meh to me last night. I wonder what he would look like if he shaved...better or worse?

You forgot to add that Gia posted a sad face emoji with a handgun emoji pointing right at it. Not disturbing, at all. Nah, I don't think she gets it because I don't think she understands 1) her responsibility to tell the truth to a judge or on any legal/financial paperwork because as a society we all have to agree to operate under the same rules for the common good; 2) the fact that when she and Joe took out loans based on income that they didn't have, that she and Joe were stealing 3) when she took clothes and shoes and makeup from Nordstrom's, signed the little slip of paper, and then never paid for it, that she stole those items from the store; 4) when she took granite and landscaping and fertility services and never paid she stole from those people too. If she got it, she would be embarrassed about the fact that she just plead guilty to being a common thief, and not do a photo call in front of a catholic church in Newark New Jersey (what a faker) on her last day before being sent to the clinker (photo on Daily Mail website). Good, because you know one of those smart cookies in that jail is going to explain to Teresa why she's in there, and about two months from now, when she realizes that the women in jail are her peers, she will want to impress them by "getting" why she's there. Because her dense, "I am a victim" act is going to be ridiculed. Two or three tough women who actually lived in skeevy houses telling Teresa "You can't sign for stuff that you don't have sweetie" over and over again may eventually get through to her. The embarrassment of not knowing how the system works, when her peers in the jail do, may do the trick.

The Daily Mail has an article today that she told the girls she is going to prison to research a book she is writing on prison. Which means that, one, Teresa Guidice's Prison Diary is on it's way to the NYTimes bestseller lists, and two, Milania will be the one telling Audriana the truth ten seconds after Teresa waves goodbye.

Well that story was the funnest fake story I've read yet. I can't help thinking that there is a hidden door in the closet or wine cellar or whatever with the cash and Chanel stuff stashed away (you know they've hidden stuff, come on). Someone heard about it through the grapevine, or probably Joe spilled all the details after his fifth bottle of wine (four bottles just doesn't do it for him anymore). The whole story isn't true but maybe someone wanted the feds to know where the stuff is hidden anyway.

Quoting myself, haha. Recently, I realized that I heard from the friend of a friend network that Whitney was the winner around the same day or two that RS posted it; making me wonder if the friend of a friend network really heard it from Whitney directly or if the friend of the friend network actually read it on RS and ran with it. I clarify this because 1) I don't want to act like I know the winner when my info is clearly third or fourth hand and 2) I LOVE when RS gets it wrong, like the Desiree/Brooks/Chris debaucle. That was one of the finest moments in this show's history. So clearly torn here about my sources, but still think she's prob. the winner.

Truly horrible. I wonder if it was suicide or just a drunken/drugged mistake. Either way it was a shocking story to read this morning. And all the bitter fighting over millions of dollars. The first thing I thought of when I read he was dead was whether or not Noelle had been able to marry him yet. Looks like she didn't so she's out of her imagined share of his cash. What a sorry end. I do hope they are filming a second season of LOL as I enjoyed the first one. Although I do not need to see this tragedy filmed or the subject of talking heads.

Whitney is the winner. Heard it from the friend of a friend network and not from Reality Steve.

They filmed a hometown date in Highland Park, IL, with the nurse girl. from Chicago. Whitney, so she's definitely final 4. And I know this because I finally know someone who knows someone that is on the show. Hope she wins.

Me too! I was so upset when the twinnies were cast on Survivor, and now I am so thankful every time I see Natalie's face, as it's nice to know that she is smart, and playing the game and I'm now rooting for her. And I was jumping for joy when she got first out on TAR too. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Before this season started I just assumed that I would love the cast like I always do. But, um, just no. It's not happening. And I don't think it's going to turn around, either, at this point in the game.

Ugh. This is the worst cast ever. Worse than Rob and his harem. I'm wondering if the CBS casting department accidentally switched the "yes, this is the final cast, full of fans of the game or at least interesting characters" list with the "looks good on paper but after talking to them in our extensive vetting process we have determined they don't understand the game and have nothing to offer as a contestant" list and flew the wrong group out to the set. I'm sure people have burped and farted ad nauseam in the other seasons, but there was no reason to focus on it as there were strategy talks and other dynamics going on. Just goes to show how this group has zero to offer. Alec is one of the worst ever. I'm rooting for Jeremy, he is the only one left whose victory I could find satisfying.

The article I read on the video (probably the Daily Mail, that's where I get all my trash news, hourly) had a lot of quotes that Joe was really not happy with Teresa for spending the money, and Joe didn't like the costumes, etc., to the point where I wondered if Joe was trashing Teresa in the press to get back at her for all of her "Joe drinks too much now" comments. A press war between Teresa and Joe before she goes away would be highly entertaining.

I've had my own 18 year olds and so I know that age alone is no indicator of maturity and that's probably why I was so turned off by Jac. Look at Ramona's daughter Avery. She has participated on the show but it's been the nicer milestones...learning to drive, prom, going to college. I am sure Avery had her down times and challenges during the filming but we never saw them. Ashley, however, was a mess from Season one on and that's what Jac's storyline was. I thought it was wrong and it didn't matter to me that Ashley participated in it willingly because she did not know better. It really bothered me that her parents didn't care enough to suck it up and say let's not use her for our benefit anymore, especially after she wound up in court. They filmed a lot of scenes that focused on Ashley's behavior and they just should have worked harder on focusing their screen time in another direction for Ashley's sake. 18 is still young and Ashley was living under their roof; none of their scenes reflected well on any of them and I couldn't stand to watch such terrible parents in action.

A thousand times yes to both of these. Gia is just thrown to the reality television wolves. Her life is "a storyline." Teresa probably thinks "Gia is okay with it." There is no instinct to protect their children: see riding without seatbelts, filming personal growing pains, fist fighting in front of them. She doesn't even protect the girls from each other; their household seems like a chaotic nightmare to me. We have never seen Teresa or Joe even do a simple time out with the girls or teach them that "love, love, love" does not tolerate name calling, hitting, fighting, etc. You have to shut that stuff down immediately. If my children called their dad an ugly old troll they would have had a time out and one of those annoying parental lectures that they hate listening to but you have to deliver. You can bet that each of those Guidice girls is adopting specific coping skills to get them through the turmoil that their family lives in and those coping behaviors will shape who they grow into. Thank goodness someone in the school system is helping Gia, it gives me actual hope for her. Just having one neutral, interested adult to guide Gia can give her some relief. I'm not sorry for the little girls that their parents are going away; I hope that it gives some other loving adult a chance to sneak in there and influence them in a good way. It takes a village, you know, and sometimes when your parents are the village idiots it is good to have other options around. I had the similar problem with Jacqueline and Ashley and it's the reason I stopped watching RHONJ a few seasons ago. I was disgusted at how they used Ashley's growing pains as a storyline. I never understood how Jac and Chris allowed Ashley to continue participating with the adults on the show, even after said participation ended their daughter in court for the hair pulling. HELLO? What were they thinking? This is the definition of famewhore: selling out their children's privacy for money and handbags.

THANKS!

Where is everyone watching the old seasons? I tivoed the season one marathon and finished it, and want to rewatch more of the old ones. Honestly, I can't get enough of those crazy Guidices. I haven't had this much fun following the antics of a married couple since Tom Cruise tried to convince us he was in love with Katie Holmes.

That's it? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with their reality. What did Teresa sign that she would not have signed after reading it? She wanted the money, and the bank forms do not say anywhere on them: Hey, if you are faking anything on this form you could go to jail. Even if it happens a long time from now. So make sure everything isn't faked. Okay? Good thing her kids don't know anything about what is happening (cough cough) because if they think their Mommy got sent to jail because she didn't read something then those girls are going to have a warped view of the consequences of not reading something. I hope someone tells the girls that the lesson is: do not falsify legal documents, whatever you do. Do not lie under oath, whatever you do. Do not swear you have no money and then go spend $60,000 on window treatments.

Why did Andy go along with that BS Joe apology to Teresa? It just perpetuates the idea in her mind that she is being unjustly incarcerated. And now it's on film, so she'll point back to it always and say it wasn't my fault, look, even Andy made Joe apologize to me. Andy just blew any good will he had earned with his not too-softball questions with that little stunt. Well, now that that BRAVO obligation is over do you think they will sell out to any other interviewers for cash? I wish they would let a reporter from The Colbert Report in to talk; they would have no idea what was going to hit them.

Oh that was a good one. Joe was shocked, shocked I tell you hearing that people might not want to do business with him in the future! But wait, he's going to read things now. And so is Teresa. And I love how Teresa keeps saying we gotta read everything, and we got a new accountant. It's as if the feds went after them for not reading good enough, or not liking their accountant. We need to send them to the Erik Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good Felon Rehabilitation Department.

Yeah, did anyone else think Teresa saying he drinks because it helps him sleep is code for he drinks until he passes out?

This is BS. Acting like Teresa didn't do anything. "You gotta be there for my daughters."