Retired at last

He kind of did. He said he was moving in, as was the process, and she was more than welcome to also move in, but he was going to follow the process. The only time he said anything else was at the dinner when he said he had never heard of the "friends" custody plan and he wasn't having any of that. I still can't believe that she would think that she can still play and be a part of the group who really has no need for her. They all like Chris much better than they like her (or don't like her at all). She is actually making Lindsey tolerable.

I like how more details are coming out. Some, we already knew - that they sign the actual marriage papers in a county clerk's office the day FOLLOWING the filmed weddings, so, technically, they are not really married on their wedding night. But, again, I really feel that Chris is a good guy and I feel so sad that he got stuck with such a horrible person. I am glad that we all really DO see the real Alyssa.

I can see any landlord being hesitant to allow 5 cats into a rental until. Mark has 3 and perhaps when the landlord heard that the new wife had 2 more, she wanted to change the lease. Still not legal, I don't think, and is a whole different thing than the bedbugs.

She's the F'ING nicest person ever!

I have had this problem the last two weeks - I set the tv to remind me when it is to start, and all I get is part of this week's show. So I have to watch it on demand.

I am thinking that if HE walks out, he may be in violation of the contract, so he needs to wait for her or wait for the show to say it is over. Which looks like it will be soon. ETA - Sorry - I just started reading this morning, but this has already been covered. I agree that there is nothing enjoyable to watch with Jasmina and Michael. SO SO boring and they just talk at each other. I don't think they will make it at all. O and Katina - she will get tired of all of his tests and dump him, as she should. He would be entirely too much energy to deal with full-time. The end. Steve and Noi are cute (oops - didn't mean to use that word, but they are), but she still seems so immature and it will be interesting to see if he continues to be patient and understanding. I give her credit that she is not refusing to do things he likes and is, at least, trying. I really liked Mama Bear Lindsey last night. She is so pretty when she is happy and smiling. I am a little worried about the mother figure/landlord (what is that?) all of a sudden changing his lease and saying that he can't have cats when he has been there with 3 cats. I can see that she would put a limit open them and not want MORE cats, but I don't think you can legally change a lease until it is completed. I also had a first thought that this person's jealous that Mark may not need her so much. But, if there were bedbugs, hell yes, move SOME of your uninfested stuff out and go to Lindsey's house. Or stay in the apartment. I want Pastor Cal to call Alyssa out on all of her lies and delusions and make her say that she wants a divorce an d then they are off the show, with the show's permission and agreement not to charge them the fee. IKf anything, I wish that Chris had grounds to sue the show for fraud, but I am sure they signed any legal rights away. No, Alyssa, you are NOT an f-ing nice person.

Poor Chris, I feel so sorry for him. The producers need to send her home NOW. No BFFs and no more vacation. Chris can stay if he wants, but not her. And, please, can we STOP talking about Jasmine here????

It was interesting that Steven said that he was also developing feelings for Carolyn. And Kurt said she was feeling things for other woman, as well. Carolyn needs to be sent home. She is toxic to the environment, and if leaving her home didn't clarify that, then they are pretty dumb. I think one of the reasons that Jennie was sent home is that she wasted her hour with him talking about superficial things - he wanted deeper conversation and she blew it. Also, if Steven really has the money, was he playing dumb about wine and figs and cheese, or is he just not refined or experienced? I don't have a lot of money but I know what figs and cheese look like! I think Carolyn is pretty, but not amazing and I don't think many of these woman are very attractive. All look good in bikinis, though. Do you think Breanna is going to "win" because she isn't playing the game and causing drama? She really brings the mood down since she is so unsure of herself, and yes, she really did NOT make a good impression with her drunken behavior. But, her insecurity is not attractive, even if they tell her she is pretty or amazing, she challenges them and doesn't believe them. That is too draining and frustrating to keep her around after being told what they said at the end. She gets one more chance to put a smile on and have some sober fun.

Well, didn't Luke say he felt dead inside and go into the bathroom and throw up after they had sex? And then had sex with her again? As big a jerk as Zach was, he didn't have sex with Mindy to see if that "built attraction," as he was always looking for.

As obnoxious and vulgar as O is, he actually didn't have sex with them at the same time. He actually called in to Afterparty to tell all the details. Mother first and about 2 seeks later, the daughter. Apparently when he picked up the mother at the train, the daughter was with him and they both laughed and told him he had passed "the sex test." He said he taught the daughter what he learned from the mother's sex education. All of that wasted time of the other people on the show - and us. I will start recording and then I can FF through anything to do with him.

@brisbydog, if you added a couple more exclamation points after each item, that should do the trick and have us all counting down the days until we can return to this.

@brisbydog, that is what I was coming on to write. Did we miss a day or something or was that really the big 2-week cliffhanger that will bring us all back desperate for story resolution?

I also hope they show Mark how she talked about him when she was having her temper tantrum. I agree that Mark didn't handle the "romantic" dinner well, but the way she talked about him when he left was horrible and he doesn't need to be protecting her. He needs to look out for himself. ETA - I did not appreciate the need for Katina to call Olajuwon to allow him more reinforcement for his bad behavior and take time to go into details about his mother-daughter hook-up. I have enjoyed Keisha as the host, but this was totally unnecessary and, as I said, reinforced his opinion of himself that he is all that.

Thanks for getting me caught up. I missed about half of the show, but it doesn't sound like I need to watch it. First, it pained me to agree with Lindsey, but if my husband had told me that he had planned a romantic dinner for me and then said he wanted to slow things down, I would be pissed, too. Her reactions, though, were OTT and her calling him names to the camera when he left the room may come back to bite her, since that is the type of thing they love to show on Afterparty. Mark looked pretty scared when he was trying to get his point across, like he already knows how crazy she is. I don't think Noi is short for Noizy. I think it is short for anoiying. She seems very immature and if it is production asking her to ask all those stupid rating questions, which it probably is, it is awful. It looks like Steve is going to get the "I am not ready to say I love you" story this time. She does seem to be all in too soon and she needs to live in the moment. Alyssa is amazing (not a compliment). I sure hope they send her home soon and put Chris (and us) out of our collective misery. He seems so lost and it really isn't fair to him. I hated still seeing her in the scenes for next week crying about how it isn't her fault and she is the nicest person ever to have been born. It didn't seem that the rest of the group bought that line. Still definitely NOT a fan of Olajawon, which is fine because he loves himself enough for everyone. The stories he loves to tell are awful. We get it - you've had a lot of sex with a lot of people. Yippee. But that was the old Isaac (is that a thing now that people who do not have identity disorders give themselves other names? Was that all because of Beyonce?) and not this newly married gift to his queen. I think he is way more than Katina wants to handle (don't blame her), but at the end, it looks like she was given the script that they gave Myrla. "Get choked up about finding the perfect man for you and thank the show for making it happen and cry because you are just so very happy." I don't like her that much either and think she jumps to get angry way too fast. She isn't going to let the whole Lindsey thing drop. But, I also have never been a fan of group honeymoons. Michael and Jasmina are hard to watch. They do not understand each other and cannot communicate. It was very telling that in next week's preview, he says that this is the first time he has seen her smile. That says a lot. He also is putting words in her mouth and is not understanding what she means. When she said she was sorry that he felt that way, and he said that he would accept that as her way of apologizing, I wanted her to scream that she was not apologizing! She was very insistent that she was NOT going to apologize for something she did not believe that she did. If they are having this much trouble communicating now, what happens when they get home and he has to start getting up to go to work at 4? Oh, I didn't see the first part of the show where O and Katina were working out, but why didn't O and Michael work out together?

I have a feeling that she will be gone by then!

I am hoping that Leo is just a pal and not his new partner. Craig is not tacky. I hate to see that happen to Craig.

So, do we know FOR SURE that RSW and VK are leaving/gone, or is that just wishful thinking? It sounds pretty much confirmed that Abby will be murdered, so that's that. What about Camilla Banus? Is she leaving? I really wish they hadn't ruined the Lucas character, but they wrote themselves into a corner. If Sami finds out, they are done and he should be in jail. I think that letting certain actors come and go as they please really puts a damper on the stories they can tell and it just isn't right. We KNOW that Allison Sweeney will never come back full time, which is fine with me, but that dictates how they can write a relationship for her character. She went from EJ being her one and only to a quick flip to Lucas, because she was leaving again. So, what do they do with EJ, other than send him to jail for something Lucas did, and then have an affair with Belle? It just seems like the executives are letting Re-Ron go with whatever he wants since he has these two years and then, I am pretty sure, they will move to Peacock. The ratings on network TV are not that good for them, so they really don't care what happens. Most people really hated the original possession story, so let's bring it back and double the devil! I wonder how long it will stay with Johnny and then what? This show is just so sad to watch and I feel embarrassed for the actors having these asinine stories.

I just think it is so immature of both of those young actors to refuse to work with someone you used to date. I wonder if they will find themselves on the same Lifetime movie cast in the future?

We didn't really get to see it, or the flight attendants telling her to sit down and pull up her mask. For whatever reason, and I hope it isn't racially motivated, she decided to share what she knew with O. He didn't appreciate her "help" and it became a big deal. She over drank and over-reacted. She and Mark will get to have a real honeymoon and not have to share everything with the other couples, which should be fine. Group honeymoons are ridiculous. I think she will have more problems with Katina if they are in a group setting again.

I don't think the show made her look like that at all. She always said that she had no debt, paid her bills on time, and had a healthy savings account. She clearly spent money, bought clothes and traveled where she wanted to, so she was being responsible with the money she had. That was one of the things I really respected about her. I am not sure why Gil said he made $100 more than she did, but he also said he sent a lot of his money to Columbia. He definitely is a man who likes the finer things, so they really could have been fine together, but not if he expected her to pay for everything. If they agreed to split expenses 50/50, then they should have moved somewhere they EACH could afford, but I don't think Myrla would want to lower her standards and Gil wanted to give her what she wanted (and he liked the good life), so if they did go where she was financially comfortable, he would never catch up.

I wish she would have said that stuff on the reunion show and not just that she was never attracted to him. That made her sound horrible and shallow. And, yes, I just assumed that he sent money to his mother. I am still not a fan of hers and don't think he would have ever been good enough for her.

@Back Atcha, I just can't stand it when I see and hear that garbage. I don't understand why it doesn't sound wrong to the speaker. I know, I know, it doesn't, but it should. I guess he could have said, "Me and Greg appreciate the feedback."

She definitely seems to be, and while Chris talked O down, I don't think Mrs. O will be very tolerant. She already doesn't like her, and it does seem that Katina can hold onto a grudge. Or maybe she will just stay away, baiting Lindsey, which Lindsey will bite. I don't see this group getting matching tattoos of friendship.

Sigh, I cannot believe I am actually watching this show (I saw the original and the second one), but I have just seen the last 2 episodes. They haven't been there all that long, so what the heck is this "connection" that Carolyn claims to have with Kurt that makes him all hers? He has enjoyed and laughed with and kissed many of the women, so what's the deal? I guess just part of the drama, but if he does want to be with her (and I am sure she will drive him away soon), he is NOT going to want to jump into a serious relationship with a woman with an ex-husband and a child. He is not ready for that and I don't think he even wants that yet. He wants to have fun and not have to be all that responsible. And, I am with the group that thinks there is a secret and Kurt is either just as rich or richer than Steven. In the previews, it looks like both men are interested in the same woman? I wonder how they will settle that? I am guessing that it is NOT Carolyn. I do hope they send her home soon. Kurt is apparently too wimpy to deal with her in any other way than trying to quit.

Sorry - I would not want Will to be a cheater again. He is happy with Sonny, so they should be left alone. Also, Will is much younger than Craig, isn't he? And doesn't he know Chloe? That would be awful. Why would it bother Will to be with a father? HE is also a father. I don't want his new partner to be Leo, either. Leo is crude and tacky. Craig has never been that way, so it would be yucky to have him pick Leo. Surely there are more dignified gay men in the world.