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Carl is the male version of "Just Be Good to Me" that I see with women where they love a guy who doesn't treat people the best but their love is different. They will be special to this person. Even though the partner runs over colleagues, friends who cross them, subordinates, and even family members they perceive as threatening in a situation, the love partner doesn't see those as signs of how they will one day be treated. How things went with an ex or two is somehow different from their situation too. Their bond is different. Their love is transcendent and how this person behaves when they perceive a threat won't come into play. "When people show you who they are..." has become kind of cliche for a reason.

Who told Scheana she is a good candidate for DWTS? Sandoval would be cast before her.

I assume some of these ladies have not competed much. Yes, (according to what production provides) Maria is in there having extra private time with Joey. How does sitting around complaining about it and calling it "disrespectful" solve it? 1) it's not her job to manage your joey time 2) joey is in there making out with her not ordering her to leave so her can spend more time with u. If it's so important to you go get your man. If you want to feel disrespected, she's the wrong target. Neither one of these people owe u anything so go into another room and feel your feelings then get back in the game. But for now you sound unhinged.

I also believe someone like Sydney has gotten by on signifying American pretty (blond, thin, angular Euro facial features) without actually having to back it up or develop anything else. So, she doesn't have much to "fight" with if that doesn't wow or intimate others sufficiently. At that point, victimhood and feigning a need for protection are what's left. Lea, is just too young. I can't get a good read on her yet outside of immaturity trying to mix in and find her group. It's like she skipped a couple of grades in high school and is trying to seem more mature.

Really all of them except maybe Phaedra, are deferential and I seem afraid of Jackie. I don't understand it unless they believe she is production's pet. The way she crumbles for Curtis and his nutcracker knees, that kills any mystique for me. Well that, her terrible bedside manner and respectibility politic kill it. Although I'm no enthusiastic supporter of Tea, she does highlight an oncoming issue with this show. What is this going to be? Will there be a mix of older gen x, millennials and maybe a little z or just older x demanding "respect" when threatened? If everyone isn't equal in the relationships, why would anyone under 45 watch this? Is it housewife type "reality" craziness or a family reunion where anytime elders are confronted, they go to "little girl" talk & try to treat younger cast members like children because I don't see how that's sustainable long term.

My daughter and I are on episode 6 and so far Julie is a textbook the most picky me, pretend girl boss. Then when called on it, you're controlling. Unprompted, one of my kids asked "mom, did they have pick me's in school when u were younger?" after seeing her antics in ep 5. 😆

Who is the intended audience for that PSA? All of the "we" references made no sense. Like if pregnant Black women stop ___, we will live more. Replace that with SA victims or breast cancer patients and see how that would be received.

Watching the show I thought more than once how much I wish this character was not cast BIPOC or written differently. This episode sealed it. He was straight from The American Society of Magic Negroes moral to his own detriment with a great reward in the sweet by and by. I assume Roy's unnamed henchman gave him balance.😄 At least Roy will suffer in prison though.

Someone else who found Maya's lack of strategery (Bush II), forethought, and self-restraint mind-boggling. Yeah! How in god's name did she ever get promoted? If presented with a list of the top 3 options for a situation, she picked #5 85% of the time and #4 10%. It was beyond. Does someone who read the book know if this was explained? 6 episodes...Thank you! The lack of succinct storytelling was so bothersome. My annoyance with wasted time kept rising over the last two episodes. I saw Harlan on CBS This Morning a couple of days ago acting like the clever cat who swallowed the canary, I wanted to pelt him with fruit. LOL

I agree with most of you points except I do believe G is colorist when it comes to the type of life she believes she is owed. It might be a classist, pretty priv, colorist combo but she and Robyn for that matter can get no rest knowing Monique (while on the show), Wendy, and Candiace have/had happy families, homes, and financial means that are better than there's. It tells me something that neither of them wastes a second of care on what Charisse has but are constantly bothered by any advancements of the other 3. See the dumb hissy fit Robyn and G had about Wendy's bodywork and how they went out of their way to make it their storylines.

It's nearly impossible to con a mark without their cooperation. The more of their idea the transaction is, the easier it is to get away once discovered. "You begged me to take your money Oscar" and "I warned you that using Ms. Beaton's name was a bad idea."

I thought it was a bad choice too. It was very 80's formal and too heavy as well as the boardness in the shoulders you mentioned. On all of the reunions, I wonder if the women photograph themselves sitting on a couch in the dresses prior to selection because if they do and still select some of these, I'm confused.

She didn't even actually have to drop the tear. Must be nice

After looking at this thread, I realized I am from the same geographical area as Emily and that might be why I didn't take to her from the first scene on the boat. I also can't believe she is only 28. That is surprising.

I think the Snuffleupagus is a Rorschach test for how these women see themselves and the beliefs they project onto other women based on the subject's body shape/perceived condition. It's obvious every single one of them is afraid of aging. Combining that with their replacement of inner work with status, money and other outside markers of success, their "friendships" are going to be terrible. See Tamra being sure to talk about all of Jenn's fake designer wear. I don't like Heather but I do think part of the hostility she gets is because in this group, she is perceived as winning. I think Heather with a $200,000 net worth, MLM husband, and 20 lbs she would be received much better within this bunch.

Brynn's embryo v eggs conversation was very similar to what I was told by a fertility doctor. It was a few years ago so, things may have changed but she advised me that without a doubt freezing/thawing embryos was more successful and studied than utilizing previously frozen eggs. It was a very frank conversation at my request and at that time, her opinion was that some clinics were making long term egg freezing sound like the holy grail in part for financial reasons.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand how paying a racist $10k per month is punishment? Is a private talking to supposed to do the trick nowadays? That lady would be a terrible landlord and definitely wouldn't renew Izzy's lease at the end of the term. They could have skipped that whole thing. It's like the old storylines where the aggrieved person who was treated poorly in a store would go back and buy thousands of dollars of merchandise to teach them a lesson I guess and give the clerk a huge commission in the process. I wish someone would get me back like that.

Apologies for the name. I was doing too many things at once and mistyped. She kept saying their relationship is long distance so, that's why we thought it was. Either way, Bria is still a lot.

and I'm good with that. I believe him to be an 1920s-30s style European "admirer" of Black culture and I have no problem with him paying for access while knowing his place as an observer. My husband is also of the opinion that a major part of why Silas has so much patience for Bria's drama and her personality, in general, is because he has other women in the rotation closer to home.

I want more Preston in my life. Does he have anything (one) he's willing to share?

I absolutely agree that Raqu(ch)el is unintelligent and appears simpleminded/dense. I am on a long-term journey to be very specific with my words so, "dumb" no longer fits because it is historically loaded and general. What I am unsure of is whether her condition is curable. Ignorance is curable with education but, is someone who is inherently unable to see deeply into thoughts, actions, and motivations or comprehend deep thought changeable? I'm also unsure how much of her condition is by choice and how much is inherent which is a big part of the answer. Anyway, I don't enjoy her presentation, voice, or bewildered facial expression and even at that, I'm getting bored with the pile-on. I will drop back in for part 3 and see where it goes but I'm fine with less of her and Lord Pornstache Coverband in my life moving forward. This might be one of the best things to ever happen to Ariana's professional life though so, I think she needs to tread lightly going forward to make sure she makes the most of the current public good-will heading in her direction.

Maybe I missed someone else talking about it but when Tom was having his tantrum about being filmed talking to Rachel outside the trailer, the coat/outfit was giving the main character in a Nora Ephron movie. If that outfit was any other neutral except black, I absolutely see Diane Keaton rocking it.

I have been conflicted on this storyline too. I HATE the normalization of "we're in love" between a 16 yr old girl and a grown-ass man who is also her teacher and who demonstrated he will throw her under the bus to save himself if deemed necessary. I am watching with my kid and keep having the conversation about how wrecked this dynamic is. But, I do understand this was common back then just like the secret "favor" the doctor did for the rich girl to keep her sterling reputation intact.

That would be interesting and fine with me. I think I saw him in the trailer for the finale though but could have been some kind of flashback or distraction.

Not to mention, Logan 2.0 (Ken) would have completely ignored those kids while snatching the opportunity to peacock and establish his 2.0-ness. It would have been yet another opportunity to be a complete and utter disappointment.