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Yes, this is what I was (clumsily) trying to say in my original post.

Ridge has been spending most of his time yelling at Bill, propping Steffy or being obnoxious to Hope. When has he had time to do more than exchange a couple of glances with Quinn?

It may be too much for Fitz/FitzSimmons fans but as storytelling goes, it's kind of riveting. IDC has been great. If by the end of the series Fitz ends up truly evil (not cartoon Grant Ward evil), I'll be disappointed that Leo and Jemma didn't get a HEA but I won't be disappointed by the way the writers have evolved the characters.

I don't think Fitz was instantly forgiven for what happened in the Framework - they went from that straight into the future insanity, with no time for them to really process. Fitz actually had more time after the team disappeared for his mental state to become worse. Since they've been back they've been focused on other crises. As for Jemma, she's trying to make sense of it, not handwaving it but obviously a mental break makes it more complicated. "In sickness and in health" and all that. She can't just walk away.

I've had Vue since it launched nationally and like it but if you are only in it for TLC, you might want to try Philo instead. It's $16 a month. (No sports, no news channels though.) https://help.philo.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013842447-Channel-Packages

Well, that was... dark. It's weird but I kind of feel like that if they actually prevent the world from being ripped apart, Daisy might forgive Fitz more readily than we think. Because Quake is who she is and running from/denying that because she believes the "Destroyer of Worlds" thing is hurting her in a different way. (Not that it justifies it - at all.) For once, Deke didn't annoy me. And I'm glad Jemma's got that sliver of hope now.

Just a quick note to let you all know we merged some comments about canon into this topic and I've gone ahead and updated the title to reflect it.

Add me to those that are somewhat dismayed about the Constantine news. I do like the actor and the character but I've only tolerated the magic/demon stuff because it's Legends. I was hoping when we were done with DD, we'd get a break.

I was on the CaRidge ship myself but it wasn't misunderstanding night that ruined it for me exactly but rather, the acting choices that LG made there in the end, the baby voice being a major turn-off. At that point it was just weird bordering on creepy. But I still wish we'd get a Douglas retcon, so that Thomas would be clear of any entanglements with Caroline. Any time they are even mentioned in the same sentence is a reminder of how all that started.

Thanks for the link. I guess I don't get away from PTV enough (though even I am aware of the Skye/Daisy hate). I've always liked Daisy and Coulson's father/daughter vibe, enough to balance out how annoying hacker Skye could be.

I don't actually know what a SWW fandom is but if it's about Ward, then that's probably why. Right now, it seems to me that the team is barely tolerating Deke. They are (quite pragmatically) using him for his ability to go out in public, for what he knows about the end of the world and because he inadvertently came through the monoliths because of them but otherwise he's treated like a nuisance, at best. However, I'll admit you're likely right - there's a good chance they will handwave what he's done once they find out he's related to FitzSimmons and skip the real redemption arc.

I don't think you can compare Deke and Ward. I didn't like Ward and don't miss him. Deke might be redeemable, or not. We'll see where the writing goes.

I'm terrible at timelines. Do we know how long Kasius was in charge or when Deke's mom died?

Hah. That's a much more interesting Hope than the one I saw when I started watching. Am I assuming the 2 women I don't know are Caroline's moms? Which one is Bill's sister?

AoS deserves some criticism on the diversity front - like most mainstream network shows. But focusing on Deke selling someone into slavery doesn't take into consideration that all humans in that future were basically slaves, even if it looked like there were some like Deke who were flying under the radar. Evil Overlords tend to ignore that stuff - allowing a limited amount of prohibited activity because it works to their benefit. It seems to me that Coulson and crew are treating Deke like a collaborator, more or less. There are always collaborators in any subjugated population - like African slaves who were also overseers or Jewish guards in concentration camps. It's a complicated and sensitive subject that I don't feel up to making judgments about. I'm sure Deke thought turning in Daisy so he could help the others was really the right thing to do. Maybe we would too, if we were born into that environment. I hope not but we didn't see many heroes in that future. We saw survivors, survivors who did ugly things or turned a blind eye to those who did.

I don't disagree but with this show (or most soaps) you eventually get to a point where you have to go with the retcon or stop watching. Granted, it was much easier to do with Caroline off-screen and with the fact that PF/CH had such amazing chemistry. Not to mention Thomas was rehabbed quite a bit by his friendship with Sasha. I think that's where I decided to give him a chance. I've never forgotten - though I blame the writers and not the character now.

@Cajungirl64 - did you get a chance to read the pinned post at the top of the forum? If you keep comments focused primarily on what was discussed on the show, you should be fine.

And almost completely associated with sexual abuse, so I'd rather they didn't go there either.

Hah. I was just going to mention OLTL. I personally dislike DID storylines but early on, OLTL was occasionally compelling. Later on it just became a cheap gimmick connected to some sordid retcons and shoddy storytelling. But is Liam that fragile? Just because someone is fundamentally a good person doesn't mean they are weak. In fact, it's been so nice seeing Liam stand up for himself and draw some lines against $Bill and Steffy. (Unfortunately, with Steffy he has to come to terms because of the baby.) It was nice while it lasted anyway. I'd rather see Liam with an evil doppelganger/twin. But that seems a little complicated for B&B.

I completely forgot about it yesterday. So, they released all 3 episodes? I thought originally it was supposed to be 2 each week. Does that mean it didn't do as well as they expected?

I just realized that I started watching almost 4 years ago now. In that time, other than recasts, the only new people have been the various Avants and Spectras 2.0 - is that about right?

When TK is clean-shaven and untanned, he looks years younger. It's too bad they cast him as Ridge though. I've only seen clips of B&B when RM was Ridge and TK is a much better actor (when he wants to be) but he doesn't seem right for the part. It's also too bad that Joe Mascolo never worked with TK. I could have bought them as father/son.