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Jacqueline Laurita: Bailey's and Bankruptcy

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Well, it would appear there's finally some activity on that 5-year old bankruptcy/fraud suit where allegedly the Lauritas were pissing through Signature Apparel funds to front their lifestyle for RHoA.  Yes, in case you couldn't tell, I despise the Lauritas.  IMO, they're no better than the Guidices, they just frauded and embezzled millions from a corporation.

 

A snippet from the article:  

 

 

There was a funny mention about the Lauritas claiming poverty while at the same time portraying the lifestyle of a rich family on Real Housewives. But don't they all? I know a certain one who claims he earns zero to avoid paying support for his kid(s).

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/06/27/chris-and-jacqueline-laurita-new-movement-in-signature-apparel-bankruptcy-case/

 

Happy reading, fellow TPers and pass that Bailey's...CHEERS!  

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Ohh, I'm with you. I hated Jaq from season 1 on. Just a passive aggressive little shit stirrer. I always felt kind of bad for Dina the way Jaq would constantly try to push Danielle on her when it was obvious Dina didn't like her. Maybe Dina was being bitchy about it, but it's not summer camp. Everybody doesn't have to like each other. And it's not like Dina was all Teresa level confrontational about it, she just didn't want to be around Danielle. But nooooo! Sneaky little high school mean girl Jaq couldn't just leave it alone. She had to try to get everybody to like Danielle. Jaq's just a trouble maker. And she always manages to have everybody feel sorry for her. Classic example of "I'm some how in the center of every fight even though nothing is my fault"

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Yeah, I couldn't stand Jaq or her daughter Ashley.  And Chris was no help to that Ashley situation.  The couple of times I actually saw Jacqueline half-assed attempting to enforce some type of behavioral consequences, Chris would overrule her.

 

Like buying her that new car.

 

Oops, wait...Make that LEASING her that new car with misappropriated Signature Apparel funds.

 

Bwahahahaha, I think the Lauritas may finally be getting some karma served to them with those legal charges.  Hopefully.  

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Persnickety - you and me both baby thinking they're all a pack of fools and frauds.

Unfortunately I did read some of the documents Reality Tea posted (love me some legal documents). This entire case does make your head spin trying to figure it out. The Giudice's case being more simple (see stupid) fraudsters was a lot easier to follow.

It appears (maybe) the law firm for Signatures creditor's who brought the original $8M lawsuit against the Laurita's is willing to settle for $400K against them. Although still subject to another adversary proceeding? and still maintain they are tre shady. They now say they weren't the real "masterminds" of the conspiracy to defraud Signature (now Iconix and/or ROC with people named Azrak?). I guess this group is objecting to the proposed $400K settlement - hey it was the Laurita's and not us cause the creditor's have added them to the complaint (apparently awhile ago) and are going after them for the real money? Azrak says only doing that cause the Laurita's don't have that kind of money (shocking) and cozy with the plaintiff (seems doubtful).

Sorry long, but still very confusing to me. Not even sure if the above is anywhere near right or makes sense. The one document was 257 pages long (scanned). At least now I have something to do in my spare time. Bring on the Baileys!

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Does anyone know how Jaq and Chris met? I got the impression she moved to NJ to be with him so I guess they met in Vegas?

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Does anyone know how Jaq and Chris met? I got the impression she moved to NJ to be with him so I guess they met in Vegas?

 

There have been rumors for years now that Jaq was an escort in Vegas when Chris met her, sort of like a "Pretty Woman" scenario.

 

They have said on the show that they met when she was modeling at some convention, and the first time he saw her she was in jeans and a baseball cap with no makeup or some cliched recantation of that nature.  

 

I dunno.  Personally, since she has been in my opinion a bit vague about her various jobs before she met Chris, I tend to lean more towards she was providing services beyond modeling in Vegas, but I always like to assume the worst of these housewives, especially the Jersey ones who all seem to be a bunch of frauds, if not criminals.

 

I always got the feeling Danielle knew something about Jaq's past and held it over her head, too.  Just that skeevy, totally inappropriate long hug between them at the reunion where it appeared Danielle kept whispering something into her ear.  My imagination ran wild, anywhere from "I'll tell them about what really goes in with our little afternoon trysts, Jaq, do NOT fuck with me!" to "Don't make me have to tell everyone what you were REALLY doing in Vegas when Chris met you, bitch!"

 

In all honesty, though, I'm assuming if she had been hookin' her way through Vegas, SOMEONE would have come forward and confirmed it and I've never found verification of the rumors anywhere.  Conversely, I haven't dug very deep to research it since I've never liked Jaq, even from season 1.  

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When Caroline's daughter wanted to go to beauty school, Jaq mentioned that she used to do that in Vegas.  Who knows, though.

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God help me, I did finally read all the documents Reality Tea posted (even worse sober - bad Jen). I know kinda think I know what happened and unfortunately I don't think anybody's going to jail (see me being evil and bitter for making an honest hence less luxurious living). The documents posted actually were only somewhat tangentially related to the Laurita's.

If anybody cares (and I only read all 300 pages once and not a lawyer), it appears that when Signature was going bankrupt (according to the Laurita's three major accounts cancelled and not ridiculous spending - sure) they defaulted on paying the royalties to the license holder for about $7M. This would be Ruby Azrak (who was the co-founder of Russell Simmons clothing line). Signature was sent a default notice but the license was never officially terminated (here comes the defrauding and legalese - it's the major part of their claim) so the money owed to them wasn't in the BK filling or the future potential profit. So according to the creditor's lawsuit, Azrak, with the assistance of the Laurita's transferred the license to a new company who basically paid them their outstanding royalties for the license at a new company with the Laurita brothers getting a salary of $500k/yr with earn outs (didn't happen) and Azrak reaping huge rewards on the "new" license (like $40M/yr). The $2.8M to the Laurita's was a "consultant fee" (for assisting them in transferring the license).

Definitely not sure I summarized correctly, but I always suspected Chris Laurita did actually make crazy money at some point (unlike the rest of them).

Does this make any sense? Does anybody care? Unlike initially reading the 400-pages, I did have a few drinks typing this (yay bourbon! - makes reality TV so much better - except for Tori and Dean). But in my defense I'm also trying to summarize 400 page, sober or no.

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jennifersdc, I appreciate that summary because even though I'm an attorney, I don't feel like putting in the time to read all that. Unless someone's going to pay me, lol.

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God help me, I did finally read all the documents Reality Tea posted (even worse sober - bad Jen). I know kinda think I know what happened and unfortunately I don't think anybody's going to jail (see me being evil and bitter for making an honest hence less luxurious living). The documents posted actually were only somewhat tangentially related to the Laurita's.

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Oh you poor thing! I never try to deal with any Real housewifeness sober. Thanks for the summary. I have a tendency to look at many of the Housewives and husbands as leftovers of the "creative" financing of the boom era who tried to keep it going. Most of them seem more debt rich than liquid rich to me and I always assume there was shady accounting going on to maintain the lifestyle. Plus Jaq is a gold digger. She may be more subtle about it than say Danielle, who straight up said several times that she was looking for a rich husband to support her and her kids. But still. No way Jaq is going to tough it out for true love. She wants her new car and her McMansion STAT. I don't imagine she cared much how Chris was giving it to her. In some ways I think she's a bigger gold-digger than Terresa, whom I thought got totally caught up in the lifestyle but more or less married Juicy Joe out of some sort of brain dead Neanderthal love.

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LuckyBitch - I have to read way too many legal documents - my sympathies. But since it's mostly incredibly dry leases, PSA's and other assorted commercial RE docs, I actually find this kind of stuff interesting (loved the Giudice shit) and do generally understand them.

People seem to make a big deal of the original bankruptcy amount of $80M (let's not forget about poor Susan B. Komen! - talk about a dog with a bone). But it looks like Signature was a pretty substantial company. They occupied three floors of a Manhattan office building (about 80K sf) so god knows how much money they were bringing in a year before they filed. Chris' brother apparently now has a apparel company in LA now (nice website). I guess Chris just has that godforsaken black water now.

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God help me, I did finally read all the documents Reality Tea posted (even worse sober - bad Jen). I know kinda think I know what happened and unfortunately I don't think anybody's going to jail (see me being evil and bitter for making an honest hence less luxurious living). The documents posted actually were only somewhat tangentially related to the Laurita's.

If anybody cares (and I only read all 300 pages once and not a lawyer), it appears that when Signature was going bankrupt (according to the Laurita's three major accounts cancelled and not ridiculous spending - sure) they defaulted on paying the royalties to the license holder for about $7M. This would be Ruby Azrak (who was the co-founder of Russell Simmons clothing line). Signature was sent a default notice but the license was never officially terminated (here comes the defrauding and legalese - it's the major part of their claim) so the money owed to them wasn't in the BK filling or the future potential profit. So according to the creditor's lawsuit, Azrak, with the assistance of the Laurita's transferred the license to a new company who basically paid them their outstanding royalties for the license at a new company with the Laurita brothers getting a salary of $500k/yr with earn outs (didn't happen) and Azrak reaping huge rewards on the "new" license (like $40M/yr). The $2.8M to the Laurita's was a "consultant fee" (for assisting them in transferring the license).

Definitely not sure I summarized correctly, but I always suspected Chris Laurita did actually make crazy money at some point (unlike the rest of them).

Does this make any sense? Does anybody care? Unlike initially reading the 400-pages, I did have a few drinks typing this (yay bourbon! - makes reality TV so much better - except for Tori and Dean). But in my defense I'm also trying to summarize 400 page, sober or no.

Thank you very much for your summarization....it's very interesting and has helped me understand better a rather complex legal matter.

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Rumor has it Dina was like, Caro and Jacq go or I go. Caro was already going (spin-off) and viewers may have been tired of Jacqueline acting like she's the first mother to have to parent a spectrum child (maybe just this viewer...) so that was probably an easy call for Bravo. Dina denies it, but of course she would, so.

 

Rumor also has it she'll be back on S6 thanks to camera crews spotted at her house -- http://realitytvmagazine.sheknows.com/2014/04/10/jacqueline-laurita-may-return-to-the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/ but that could also be for "Manzo'd With Children," which I hate even typing because it's so dumb.

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It didn't take long for the Twitter War to start.  Ashlee and Jac vs Dina (although I'm not sure how involved Dina really is.  Not sure what it's all about either, but from what I can gather, Ashlee started it.

 

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It didn't take long for the Twitter War to start. Ashlee and Jac vs Dina (although I'm not sure how involved Dina really is. Not sure what it's all about either, but from what I can gather, Ashlee started it.

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Gawd, do these women have to make everyfuckingthing in their life public?

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Would someone be so kind as to translate this for me? 

 

I gather in the first one she's threatening Dina.  But the second one?  Who exactly is she talking to or about?  Ashlee said something funny?  Is that hand waving?  Why is there an "end quote" after the hand?  Is the context for any of this found elsewhere?  Should I just stick to 300 pages of legal documents if I want to read something I can understand?

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All I know is Ashlee posted something that was  supposedly directed at Dina. It was a picture that said something like "you don't know what that word means" and the word was Zen.  I think in response, Dina tweeted something like that was a "hint as to why I stay away".   Jac's two tweets are in response to that, but I came to the party late so I might have missed something. Don't know what the hand means.

 

Yes, the legal documents would be easier to understand than the tweets between these people.

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I just don't understand why/how Jacqueline is so stunted. I wonder if Chris regrets marrying her, but is now stuck because she knows the secrets and he knows she gets pissy and blabs? I mean, my God, my 13 yr old and friends keep up less drama than this, and (stereotypes ahead) they are a bunch of adolescent girls and their gay guy bffs! This woman is RIDICULOUS! I would be embarrassed to be related to her...especially Caroline who is all about being level headed and tight lipped and borderline sour. She is old enough to have GRANDCHILDREN, y'all!

I just don't understand why/how Jacqueline is so stunted. I wonder if Chris regrets marrying her, but is now stuck because she knows the secrets and he knows she gets pissy and blabs? I mean, my God, my 13 yr old and friends keep up less drama than this, and (stereotypes ahead) they are a bunch of adolescent girls and their gay guy bffs! This woman is RIDICULOUS! I would be embarrassed to be related to her...especially Caroline who is all about being level headed and tight lipped and borderline sour. She is old enough to have GRANDCHILDREN, y'all!

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I just don't understand why/how Jacqueline is so stunted. I wonder if Chris regrets marrying her, but is now stuck because she knows the secrets and he knows she gets pissy and blabs? I mean, my God, my 13 yr old and friends keep up less drama than this, and (stereotypes ahead) they are a bunch of adolescent girls and their gay guy bffs! This woman is RIDICULOUS! I would be embarrassed to be related to her...especially Caroline who is all about being level headed and tight lipped and borderline sour. She is old enough to have GRANDCHILDREN, y'all!

Someone really needs to rein her in.  She does this every season - goes on a twitter bend about some perceived slight.  I think Caroline puts up with her because of Chris, and I have always suspected that Caroline and Chris treat Jac with kid gloves because they think or know she's unstable.  Remember the big fiasco when Jac was too fragile and teary to pick herself up and attend the reunion?  Why Andy didn't fire her then (see: Adrienne Maloof) is beyond me.

 

Just glad she is gone now, and since you couldn't pay me to watch Manzo'd with Grown Children Who Are Still Treated Like They Are Five, she won't be on my screen anytime soon.

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Is Chris the oldest boy? Or the oldest boy living in the area? I ask because it seemed like at times he almost took on a head of the family role. This might also have something to do with Caroline treating Jaq with kid gloves. Caroline is not exactly a feminist and I would notice her deferring to Chris's opinion at times because...well I guess because he's male. And I never got the feeling that she liked Jaq, just that she had learned to show some respect to her brother's wife and the mother of her nephews.

I did always get the sneaking suspicion that Jaq's bad judgement in people (Danielle, Kim G, Teresa whom I really think Caroline basically thought of as Jaq's friend, her epic parenting fail with Ashley) was more or less a thing in the family. Like a "she's Jaq's new friend." "Oh holly hell. Is she a hooker or something?" kind of situation. I have a cousin like that. Great person (unlike Jaq), but horrible taste in people. I always have to prepare myself to meet any of her friends.

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Jacqueline should keep her fucking drunken fingers off of her keyboard and Twitter and focus on the much bigger fish she and Chris are frying.

 

Like this one:

 

 

 

Former Real Housewives of New Jersey stars Chris and Jacqueline Laurita’s finances continue to tumble as they battle an $8 million lawsuit.

According to Radar Online, the couple’s money situation is in dire straits because of their legal woes, which began from their failed clothing line, Signature Apparel.

Also named in the lawsuit is Chris’ brother, Joseph Laurita and his wife Adeline. It is claimed that they all drained the company’s finances and improperly used the funds to support their lavish lifestyles spending $7,804,227.

 

http://realitywives.net/blogs/chris-jacqueline-lauritas-finances-are-in-shambles/

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I'm sooo very glad that drunk nutcase is off the show. I wouldn't be able to watch is she was still a cast member. Looks like she can't stand the fact that she's no longer on the show and is doing whatever she can to get attention. Pathetic bitch.

 

No wonder she was so angry at Tre for not telling her what was going on with the Guidice legal troubles - she probably wanted to guage how much trouble she and Chris were going to be in. Maybe Tre and Jac can be cellmates, LOL!

 

Everyone on this franchise is a thief! The Walikis have had creditors come after them and there was some shady dealings with his business, the Manzos defrauded the state of NJ, the Guidices are frauds and theives, the Lauritas are frauds and thieves, and I predict the Gorgas, who have had several judgements against them (that they still haven't paid) are going to be going down a road similar to the Guidices.

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Remember the big fiasco when Jac was too fragile and teary to pick herself up and attend the reunion?  Why Andy didn't fire her then (see: Adrienne Maloof) is beyond me.

 

The popular belief is because they had already filmed a lot of season 4 (so why bother it would be for season 5 anyway because no way they'd redo everything) and by not showing up directly because of something from season 4 filming Andy may have looked at it as promotion/suspense building of what Big Bad Teresa Did. A lot of the reunion did turn out to be "you know what you did Teresa!" "Oh but that's next season we can't talk about it!" So Andy let it slide. Plus, I really don't have an opinion much on Adrienne one way or another but she seems to be in control of her actions and emotions where as Jaqu is unstable and I believe they all including Andy know it. Adrienne calculated ditching the reunion. Jaqu "couldn't handle it".

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Remember the big fiasco when Jac was too fragile and teary to pick herself up and attend the reunion?  Why Andy didn't fire her then (see: Adrienne Maloof) is beyond me.

 

The popular belief is because they had already filmed a lot of season 4 (so why bother it would be for season 5 anyway because no way they'd redo everything) and by not showing up directly because of something from season 4 filming Andy may have looked at it as promotion/suspense building of what Big Bad Teresa Did. A lot of the reunion did turn out to be "you know what you did Teresa!" "Oh but that's next season we can't talk about it!" So Andy let it slide. Plus, I really don't have an opinion much on Adrienne one way or another but she seems to be in control of her actions and emotions where as Jaqu is unstable and I believe they all including Andy know it. Adrienne calculated ditching the reunion. Jaqu "couldn't handle it".

 

You're right - I remember now - they did start filming season 4 prior to the season 3 reunion.

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You're right - I remember now - they did start filming season 4 prior to the season 3 reunion.

Actually, they didn't just start filming season 4 before the S3 reunion, they had completed filming it. They filmed the S3 reunion the day after filming was completed on S4, which was the Fashion Show bullshit. They had to fast track S4 because Teresa was doing Celebrity Aoorentice. Because of all the crap that went down at the fashion show, Jaq claimed to be too upset and frail to attend the Reunion. From what I understand, Bravo worked hard to get her there, but there was also talk that she might let the cat out of the bag and give away too much stuff that had happened during the season they were filming, when they were supposed to be talking about S3 only. It was strange because there was so much anger during that reunion from everyone, which was more about what had just happened, then about S3. Jaq knew she could get away with not showing, because with S4 already filmed, what were they going to do - cut her completely out of the footage? She knew she wouldn't get fired for it.

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And here's a just-in update via Real Housewives Fan Club Page as published by ROL...

 

 

 

Jacqueline Laurita Accused Of Playing “Dirty Legal Games!” #RHONJ

RadarOnline is reporting that Jacqueline is being accused of purposely delaying the case!

After being dropped by their legal team for lack of payment, a creditor has filed documents calling their bluff believing that the legal team filed the motion to drop the Laurita’s at a suspicious time.

The Withdrawal Notices provide no explanation of which of the Laurita Defendants have failed to pay legal fees or the quantum of legal fees that are outstanding with respect to each defendant.

Without this information, the Court has little basis to assess any merit of the Withdrawal Motions.

Delay has been the Laurita Defendants’ primary defense tactic in these proceedings, and Signature is concerned that this latest and last gambit simply is more of the same.

Jacqueline and Chris are required to tell the court who their new representation will be immediately in order to avoid more delays.

Something sounds a little shady! Either the Laurita’s are not paying their bills or they are trying to pull something off. Which one do you think it is?

https://www.facebook.com/therealhousewivesfanclub?fref=photo

 

And the plot sickens...Errrr, "thickens."  

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I'm confused.  I though Jac was going to be a cast member on "Manzo'ed with Kids" (Caroline's show) or whatever the heck it's named.  So is she going to be on both now?

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Rumor has it she just filmed one scene with Kathy and that's what they're talking about. She is also a cast member on Caroline's spin-off. They won't be discussing casting for next year for RHONJ. It's too soon. Plus they don't know if they'll have Teresa next year or not.

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Rumor has it she just filmed one scene with Kathy and that's what they're talking about. She is also a cast member on Caroline's spin-off. They won't be discussing casting for next year for RHONJ. It's too soon. Plus they don't know if they'll have Teresa next year or not.

 

 

Well, if she filmed with Kathy, she'll be in the background eating a cannoli, I guess. 

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With an Autistic kid at home, and another child as well, Jac really shouldn't be a "cast member" on any show, IMO. She needs to be focusing on her family life, not reality shows. 

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With an Autistic kid at home, and another child as well, Jac really shouldn't be a "cast member" on any show, IMO. She needs to be focusing on her family life, not reality shows. 

Especially when it's clear that she can't handle both family and the show.  I was watching some S5 episodes and her behavior was immature and erratic.  Kathy even said in a TH that she thought Jac needed to be institutionalized FFS.  She's not a strong woman at all.  She needs to be a pillar for her kids, especially the one with special needs, and she was screaming into cell phones like a maniac and then dissolving into tears over nothing.  I compare her to Teresa who is also going through a hard time but isn't showing it to her girls.  I give her a lot of credit in that respect.

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Oh, marone, please don't bring Jac back. I'd rather her Melissa sing again, and I loathe Melissa, but she's 100x less jr. high-ish in her drama and fights, and she doesn't have a special needs child who 1) needs extra attention/help/therapy/whatever and 2) is a child, not a prop or storyline.

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Jac actually tweeted yesterday

 

"Couldn't help but notice the show fight/my rumored return caused a jump in #RHONJ ratings this week.You'll just have2watch&see what happens."

 

She is crazy.  Her rumored return was part of why the ratings jumped?

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Jac actually tweeted yesterday

"Couldn't help but notice the show fight/my rumored return caused a jump in #RHONJ ratings this week.You'll just have2watch&see what happens."

She is crazy. Her rumored return was part of why the ratings jumped?

Damn, I wish I thought so highly of myself!

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Sorry to burst you latest delusion. Jaq but I'm pretty sure any jump in ratings had to do with seeing the "fight" with Joe and Jim.

 

Has it been officially confirmed she's coming back? A scene with Kathy doesn't really make snese since she's been basically a glorified extra, but that I could handle I guess. Not full time, ever again. Considering she can't take any comments not kissing her ass I don't even know why she is still considering doing this kind of stuff.

 

I posted when it happened on the old TWOP board when it happened that I wrote to Jaq on twitter during season 5. It was my one and only twitter experience no less. Scenes with Nicholas doing therapies on camera really bothered me, on a personal level:

 

I don't have a child, but I've been the child with a diagnosisI was born with a neuromuscular condition and when I was an infant/toddler were the worst times for me, I was pretty bad off especially at first that included needing to breath with a trache and get through a g-tube, so it was a struggle doing everyday things. I only share pics that I have from that era or videos with people/family that lived through it with me or people I become really, really close too, because I find it hard enough meeting people who just know about my condition before they meet me so they go into said meeting thinking I'm wonderful, based on nothing that I consider says anything about me as a person, as I did not pick to go through what I do, and it can be really hard going forward never being sure if I'm seen as who I am or what I have. Also, I just like to think about the better times of my childhood certain things I avoid looking at because I just want it in the past, period. So if you decide to go forward showing more of Nicolas' therapy and struggling, I do hope that you do it with limitations  conderation as to how that could follow him growing up and perhaps he may not like that it's out there to watch in general.  <---That's basically exactly what I wrote. I was very careful to come off as nice, and make it clear I was being genuine.

She blocked me from her page and reported me to twitter for harrassment or something within 2hrs of me sending it.   For Nick's sake I really, really, hope she does not do another show full time.

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I totally agree that Jac should not have Nick on camera. She does it under the pretense of "raising awareness" for Autism, but I think she is just using him for a storyline. Autistic kids generally do not do well with lots of stimulation. Having extra people in the house, lights, cameras, etc. could be very troubling to him. Also, it's a very personal struggle - did he give his consent to have it filmed? Sure, we could say lots of these kids are on camera without necessarily giving their consent. But I think there's a big difference between seeing the Giudice girls making breakfast and watching Nicholas struggle with therapy and have a meltdown. It just feels to invasive, and you'd think his mother of all people would realize that. 

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Absofuckinglutely!!! My stepson has Asperger's and while he would likely perform in front of a camera, the people would really trouble him. Plus, he would act out nonstop, not being able to help himself, to the point of exhaustion! Pretty sure he's not her FIRST priority. Which raises a question to me, as firm as Caroline has always been with Jaq-does Chris not have a spine? I don't recall him standing up to her and surely he's not on board with Nicholas being exploited. Or maybe it helps his "business". Either way, they suck.

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For entertainment purposes I would like to see an Amber vs. Jacqueline scene or two.  I have always liked Chris and would enjoy seeing him.  As to their child Nicholas, with all the experts that are working on his care I would think if there was a danger to his well-being or progress they would express it to Jac and Chris. 

 

I can only imagine Jim coming up with reasons why he can't film with the Lauritas.  I think the twitter battles between Jac and Jim would be epic.

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Everyone on this franchise is a thief! The Walikis have had creditors come after them and there was some shady dealings with his business, the Manzos defrauded the state of NJ, the Guidices are frauds and theives, the Lauritas are frauds and thieves, and I predict the Gorgas, who have had several judgements against them (that they still haven't paid) are going to be going down a road similar to the Guidices.

I know this is Jaqueline's thread but I just want to address this. Al Manzo did not defraud the state of NJ, he was upfront from the beginning about his residence at the Brownstone. I think Al is a decent guy and it's really shitty that he was accused of something he didn't do and it's never acknowledged or corrected.

Documents show ousted water commissioner had valid Paterson address

- See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/news/politics/documents-show-ousted-water-commissioner-had-valid-paterson-address-1.470451#sthash.8n05Nn49.dpuf

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Absofuckinglutely!!! My stepson has Asperger's and while he would likely perform in front of a camera, the people would really trouble him. Plus, he would act out nonstop, not being able to help himself, to the point of exhaustion! Pretty sure he's not her FIRST priority. Which raises a question to me, as firm as Caroline has always been with Jaq-does Chris not have a spine? I don't recall him standing up to her and surely he's not on board with Nicholas being exploited. Or maybe it helps his "business". Either way, they suck.

I think the Laurita clan grew up in a house with very defined gender roles. I remember Dina even talking about how the girls were raised to be housewives. I think Chris sees the kids as Jac's territory and his role is to be either the heavy (Waite until your father gets home!) or the hero (thanks for the new car Daddy!), but not to interfere in the day to day. Plus I think he's afraid to provoke her. Plus I think he's a greedy bastard who wanted the Bravo money.

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I know this is Jaqueline's thread but I just want to address this. Al Manzo did not defraud the state of NJ, he was upfront from the beginning about his residence at the Brownstone. I think Al is a decent guy and it's really shitty that he was accused of something he didn't do and it's never acknowledged or corrected.

Documents show ousted water commissioner had valid Paterson address

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IMO, this is still a sleazy end run around the law. His home is not the Brownstone, Caroline, who was also receiving the medical insurance, does not reside at the Brownstone. Just because Al sleeps there occasionally after a long shift - or when he's entertaining female guests - that does not, IMO, make it his legal residence. I agree that out of all the husbands he does seem to be the most decent but the bar isn't very high with this group.

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I'm sorry you had such a difficult time as a child, and I hope you're doing better. Jac can't be bothered to think of anyone else except Jac, unfortunately.

 

 

Thank you very much, I still have the condition because it can't be gotten rid of, but I'm so much better off than I was as a kid--- I just got done shoving an Eclair down my throat! I hope Nicholas will be able to say the same when he's in his 20's too, that's why I feel so strongly about his possible difficulty to have his past just be an aspect of whoever he is as an adult instead of what defines him.

I think Chris Laurita does whatever it takes to get Jaq off his back the most. I was him, after all, who basically had Nick perform, the night he said "I love you" to Jaq. That wasn't about Nick making progress, it was about Jaq. It wasn't even infront of family like Caroline and Al, though Chris and Albie were there it was the Gorga's there and all waxing on about what a great guy Chris is for having worked with Nick/the therapist on that and how great that is for Jaq, not the fact that Nick could say something else. Maybe I'm being too harsh because I'm not a parent but it seemed like Nick was just saying it, he didn't know the meaning, where as like when he said "iPad" and got the iPad, that may have been a moment of actually learning/communicating. It must be really sad to not hear your kid they love you but I would think first would come communicating basic needs, when Chris had said about all the work that was done for Nick to say that I did wonder if that was time taken away from perhaps him leanring how to say he needs the bathroom, food, ect, for the sake of giving Jaq her "moment."  I can't think of the episode(s) but Caroline seemed to be the one who I thought the most expressed sadness/sympathy over Nicholas not just for Jaq/Chris.

That's the one thing I like about the Wakilies who generally I can't stand. They don't define Victoria by her tumor, it's a part of their daughter/their life, as anything like that is, as it for me, and they could have "pulled Amber's" [sO sick of her using that, but that's for another page] left and right bringing it up especially once the Laurita's would always talk about "we can't stand BS anymore now that we know real problems", but they didn't/don't. 

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I totally agree that as sanctimonious and overdramatic as Caroline usually is, she is the one who showed general concern about Nicholas as a person who will have a lifetime of difficulties to overcome, vs. Jac as seeing how disappointed she was that her baby wasn't 'perfect' and was going to cramp her style by needing additional treatment.

 

Chris is a friendly guy, but I also agree that he appeases Jac just so she'll leave him alone. He's one of those guys who compartmentalizes everything - ok, wife is appeased, check box and move to stepdaughter is put in line, check box, now back to work, check box, let's make sure nephews get a Black Water lecture, check box, and move on.

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