One Night Ultimate Werewolf (ONUW) Mafia Games

[SVNBob]

6 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

No, I asked @SVNBob about this before the game started, as I was confused about the Robber.  It boils down to, Except for Doppelganger, night actions do not affect other night actions.  So the action would have been:

Beginning of game

@Deadpool - Robber

@Curiousparker - Drunk

Deadpool robs CP of Drunk. 

CP as Drunk blindly swaps with an unclaimed role. 

-- Daybreak --

Now DP - Drunk

CP - Whatever she swapped for.

 

2 minutes ago, Drogo said:

What @MarkHB just said.

Yup.  That's how the interaction would play out between the Robber and the Drunk.  With the Robber now being one of the unclaimed 3 roles.  But, I can neither confirm nor deny that that's what actually happened at this time.

If you're still confused, think about it this way.  Whomever is robbed by the Robber doesn't know they've been stolen from, so they wouldn't know they couldn't do the action for their role.  Which means they would take their normal action as if nothing had happened to them.  Same applies to anyone swapped by the Troublemaker.

[MarkHB]

I think I'm really wanting to find out what @saoirse knows.

[Jesse]

33 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

 

Yup.  That's how the interaction would play out between the Robber and the Drunk.  With the Robber now being one of the unclaimed 3 roles.  But, I can neither confirm nor deny that that's what actually happened at this time.

If you're still confused, think about it this way.  Whomever is robbed by the Robber doesn't know they've been stolen from, so they wouldn't know they couldn't do the action for their role.  Which means they would take their normal action as if nothing had happened to them.  Same applies to anyone swapped by the Troublemaker.

Ohhhhhh! Got it, OK. 

[formerlyfreedom]

37 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

I think I'm really wanting to find out what @saoirse knows.

You mean besides the fact that @Drogo started the game as the Tanner? That's about it, since all the swaps happened after I found that out...

[Lisin]

58 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

 

Yup.  That's how the interaction would play out between the Robber and the Drunk.  With the Robber now being one of the unclaimed 3 roles.  But, I can neither confirm nor deny that that's what actually happened at this time.

If you're still confused, think about it this way.  Whomever is robbed by the Robber doesn't know they've been stolen from, so they wouldn't know they couldn't do the action for their role.  Which means they would take their normal action as if nothing had happened to them.  Same applies to anyone swapped by the Troublemaker.

And that's where I was confused. Got it. So, we "know" that @Deadpool is the Drunk and that @CuriousParker is something else but doesn't know what. Got it.

The reason I have been vague is because I was the Hunter, and as you know @Deadpool that comes with the potential of getting killed and still having a win for the village so I didn't want to show my hand before. I'm assuming @MuuMuuChainsmoker is the Doppelganger because that's the only thing that makes sense here. She can back me up but you likely won't believe us anyway. The fact that @Jesse is "claiming" hunter isn't even true. Here's the quote.

 

4 hours ago, Jesse said:

So....what if I said I'm the Hunter?

4 hours ago, MuuMuuChainsmoker said:

Now, we're getting somewhere!  @Jesse, did you start as Hunter, or did you rob or doppel?  

I'm assuming @MuuMuuChainsmoker's response was MMCS trying to get @Jesse to say more things that were untrue. And, by virtue of that if @saoirse and @Drogo are telling the truth then Jesse is surly not the Tanner so that means @Jesse is either the minion or a werewolf... and I'm guessing she's the Minion. 

Please note, Jesse didn't answer MMCS's question... 

[Deadpool]

I believe what you're saying is true @Lisin and I also believe that @egavasc is the likeliest player to be a wolf. Maybe we should hedge our bets and DL both @egavasc and @Jesse with equal numbers?

1 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool) 

[Machiabelly]

I am not sure if @Lisin made an error or is trying to confuse things...buy I said a Mason was unclaimed not a minion.

[Jesse]

Obviously, I am not the Hunter, and (as noted) never said I was!

[Hanged Man]

4 hours ago, Deadpool said:

@Hanged Man can you confirm that you did actually start out as a vanilla villager, if so we can eliminate @Drogo from the suspect list.

I don't know how I could do that outside of copy/pasting the message that @SVNBob sent me at the beginning of the game and that seems like playing outside the morals of the game.

So is it possible that you have victory conditions that you don't know you have? How can you work toward victory if you don't know what you are working for? For instance I don't know what the tanner does, what is needed for him to win or even, in fact if I am the tanner. All I know is I started as a Vanilla Villager

[MarkHB]

4 minutes ago, Hanged Man said:

So is it possible that you have victory conditions that you don't know you have?

Yes.  The Tanner hates his life and wants to die; he wins if he is DL'd (I don't know what happens if he's DL'd along with a werewolf, if it's a shared win or what).  The way the game worked out, with @Drogo knowing you're the Tanner and @saoirse confirming it, you were pretty much screwed.

I'm fine with the dual kill.

1 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool) 

1 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB)

[Hanged Man]

3 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

you were pretty much screwed.

That's what you think. Without knowing I am the Tanner or confirmation that I am the Tanner, I will just disbelieve that I am the Tanner.

Boom, problem solved.

[Drogo]

I don't think I believe @Deadpool was the Robber and stole the Drunk from @CuriousParker - and with the Survivor finale on tonight I am reminded that the person who tells everyone "Here's how we split the vote" is usually bad and ends up winning the million.

1 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

1 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo)

[Lisin]

49 minutes ago, Machiabelly said:

I am not sure if @Lisin made an error or is trying to confuse things...buy I said a Mason was unclaimed not a minion.

When do you mean? Because 1) yes, you said Mason was the unclaimed card but 2) the only time I remember referencing the Minion was when I meant to. In saying I think Jesse is the minion. (Which means we shouldn't be voting for her right? Don't the wolves win if the minion dies?)

[Deadpool]

7 minutes ago, Drogo said:

I don't think I believe @Deadpool was the Robber and stole the Drunk from @CuriousParker - and with the Survivor finale on tonight I am reminded that the person who tells everyone "Here's how we split the vote" is usually bad and ends up winning the million.

1 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

1 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo)

Even though he is dead wrong I think @Drogo wuvs me haha sorry dude I am taken :p

P.S. Also....I don't watch survivor

Edited May 18, 2016 by Deadpool

[Drogo]

Quote

Even though he is dead wrong I think @DROGO wuvs me haha sorry dude I am taken :p

Is your boyfriend the possessive type?

Edited because I forgot the emoji that makes it jokey and not rude:

:p

Edited May 18, 2016 by Drogo

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

Jumping in to confirm that I am/was the Doppelgänger.  I copied Lisin.  I'll say more when I've had a chance to work through the overnight posts.  

[Drogo]

@egavasc and @MuuMuuChainsmoker are both officially claiming Doppelganger. At least one is bad, probably a Minion. 

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

Ok, I've thought this through and I think it's time to reveal that @Lisin and I are both Hunters.   As I stated previously, I doppled her.  So unless Jesse robbed Lisin, which she has not claimed she did, she can't be the Hunter now.  

Also, I confirmed with @SVNBob that anyone who robs the Doppelgänger doesn't pick up their powers.   So @egavasc can't have doppled anyone, including @Machiabelly

Edited to say that I am dumb and didn't see that Lisin already revealed that she is the Hunter.   I confirm that.   

[Guest]

1 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

1 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

[FormerMod-a1]

This is crazy.  I will say this.  If you DL me, at least you won't be DLing the Tanner or the Minion, but you're also not getting the WWs.

I have no idea who to believe about what, but I don't want to start yet a 5th DL so I'll throw my name in to an existing one randomly (eenie meenie miney moe).  I can easily be swayed to change my mind though.

1 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

2 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1)

1 to DL @AQUARIAN1 (CP)

[Lisin]

Nothing makes sense to me so I'm going with my gut. 

2 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool, Lisin) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

2 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1)

1 to DL @AQUARIAN1 (CP)

[Machiabelly]

Someone please add me to the @egavasc DL.Thanks.

[Deadpool]

3 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

2 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1)

1 to DL @AQUARIAN1 (CP)

[Jesse]

4 to DL @EGAVASC (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight) 

1 to DL @JESSE (MarkHB)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @AQUARIAN1 (CP)

[formerlyfreedom]

5 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight, saoirse) 

1 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB)

2 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

[Drogo]

5 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight, saoirse) 

1 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

 

Jesse's vote got lost along the way. 

I think the majority vote right now is for a Minion. 

[formerlyfreedom]

3 minutes ago, Drogo said:

I think the majority vote right now is for a Minion. 

Why, @Drogo? Because she claimed a role already claimed? I can (and have) rethought votes, and can be talked out of my choice, FYI!

[Drogo]

9 hours ago, egavasc said:

Deadpool's conclusion here is wrong, because I'm the doppelganger and I copied Machiabelly. I can confirm that there is a mason as an unclaimed role. Whether or not Machiabelly and I looked at the same role is unclear, but there was definitely an unclaimed mason.

The above is very fishy. 

@egavasc shows up a day into the game, when she's on no one's radar. She claimed not only to have copied @Machiabelly but also to have gotten the exact same result he did from the Apprentice Seer night action.

All I'm thinking is "Too easy."

We have the extreme benefit of knowing where the Tanner is right now, so anything "too easy" that's posted right before voting starts up, I think Minion. 

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

14 minutes ago, Drogo said:

The above is very fishy. 

@egavasc shows up a day into the game, when she's on no one's radar. She claimed not only to have copied @Machiabelly but also to have gotten the exact same result he did from the Apprentice Seer night action.

All I'm thinking is "Too easy."

We have the extreme benefit of knowing where the Tanner is right now, so anything "too easy" that's posted right before voting starts up, I think Minion. 

Yeah, I had the same reaction, @Drogo.  @egavasc was super quiet at first, so I thought maybe she was a werewolf.  But the doppelganger lie confused me since no one was particularly pointing fingers at her at the time.  Assuming we believe the multiple sources that suggest that @Hanged Man is now probably the Tanner, then that suggests Minion.  Though @Jesse and @egavasc can't both be minions, *shrug emoji*  

Anyway, at the moment, I'm leaning towards the lovely @aquarian1 for the other werewolf.  I don't have any particular feelings toward @Deadpool's potential wolfyness. 

[MarkHB]

OK, after rereading the last couple of pages, I think I'm leaving my vote where it is.  It's likely @Jesse is up to no good, and we know she's not the Tanner (and now I wish I hadn't made the swap I did, because @drogo playing the Tanner would have been amusing), and I don't have anything more convincing to go on for the others.

[Drogo]

Two Vanilla roles in play, one claimed by @aquarian1 and one claimed by @Hanged Man (but now mine according to @MarkHB)- adds up, yes? No one else claiming Vanilla.

My gut feeling: @Deadpool is the Robber but not telling the truth about his night action to protect himself. Something tells me he robbed a Wolf.

[Lisin]

My reasoning for thinking @Jesse is the minion is because she claimed an already claimed (and verifiable) role before @egavasc so I think Jesse is the minion and egavasc is a WW since like we've all said we know neither is the tanner. I could totally be wrong but that's why I voted the way I did. I'm also willing to be swayed with logic, however I will be going to bed in the somewhat near future. How much time do we have to finish this game @SVNBob? I've lost track. 

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

3 minutes ago, Drogo said:

Two Vanilla roles in play, one claimed by @aquarian1 and one claimed by @Hanged Man (but now mine according to @MarkHB)- adds up, yes? No one else claiming Vanilla.

My gut feeling: @Deadpool is the Robber but not telling the truth about his night action to protect himself. Something tells me he robbed a Wolf.

OK, that's a good point re the vanilla villagers.  

I like the theory re @Deadpool's switch, but I don't have any gut feeling on that. 

[SVNBob]

8 minutes ago, Lisin said:

How much time do we have to finish this game @SVNBob? I've lost track. 

As of this posting: around 13.3 hours.  Still lots of time to discuss and change your votes if you so desire.

[formerlyfreedom]

5 minutes ago, Lisin said:

How much time do we have to finish this game @SVNBob? I've lost track. 

IIRC, noon tomorrow CT, so 1pm ET.

I'm going to sleep on this, and come in before work in the morning to make my final call. @Drogo speaks a lot of sense there, and since I know what his role was, I'm inclined to put some faith in his reasoning. We'll see how I feel in the morning! But for now;

4 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight) 

1 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

That leaves the non-voters as @egavasc, @MuuMuuChainsmoker, @Hanged Man, and myself? Yes?

[Lisin]

Just now, SVNBob said:

As of this posting: around 13.3 hours.  Still lots of time to discuss and change your votes if you so desire.

Sweet! I'll check in before I go to work tomorrow morning then. Thank you!!! 

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

OK, I just don't think I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Deadpool vote.  I'm going to go with Jesse. Assuming I'm awake when everyone gets up later, I'll see if I think I need to change anything.

4 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight) 

2 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB, MuuMuuChainsmoker)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

[Deadpool]

I have to say in all honesty, that I find @Drogo's natural and let’s face it, frankly understandable, fascination with me really quite flattering… a little arousing even. 
[Looks to camera: no seriously, I have some special, ‘me’ time put aside later especially because of this, it’s gonna be good!]

Boys and girls, if you allow yourself to be guided by this bizarre and unfounded insistence of his to see me as a furry (I mean c’mon people me in fur? That’s just wrong on so many levels I can’t even) and join the DL on me, you’re being led on a path to total fucking disaster for Team village. Pretty sure I can’t say it any clearer than that. 
Take a look at who is on my DL with @Drogo at the moment; @Jesse and @aquarian1, both of whom are on the suspect list, so 2 suspected members of ‘Team wolf’ are voting for another ‘alleged’ wolf? That makes completely no sense, why would they risk that? Damn I’m good.
If I had robbed a wolf I would’ve claimed that I’d robbed someone like @Hanged Man and become a vanilla villager (Robber acts before Troublemaker) or even say I robbed @Lisin and became a Hunter, aka easy pickings. As opposed to claiming I robbed the Drunk and then go on to cause confusion and complications for myself by stating that I know for a fact that the robber card is now in the unclaimed pile. You’re giving me far too much credit, but to be fair that’s understandable because, as we all know, I am pretty amazing (you’ve seen my movie right?).  
Furthermore, during ANY game the robber could rob a wolf then lie about who they robbed, what makes me so special that @Drogo is determined to suspect me <again> this time? Apart from my obvious specialness of course ;) 
Last time when I was the Hunter, he also thought I was lying and that I was the Tanner, this time I robbed the Drunk but suddenly for some, as yet unknown, reason I’m lying again and I’m a wolf??
Here’s a tip for you @Drogo the only problem with crying wolf too many times (see what I did there?!) is that eventually nobody will believe you when the time comes that they actually should.

The fact is I’m not sure whether @egavasc or @Jesse is the Minion or Wolf which is why I suggested (please note: suggested, not told) a solution of DL’ing them both equally. My understanding is that as long as a wolf dies Team village wins, if the minion dies too it’s irrelevant. (@SVNBob please confirm that this is correct).

Anyhoo, I’ve said what I came to say, I’ve laid my cards on the table, I’ve told the truth and I’ve been an honest Robber. 
It’s very unlikely I’ll be able to post again before time is up, so I hope you guys make the right choice but my work here is done.

I must now bid farewell to all of you sexy people because the previously mentioned special, ‘me’ time awaits! 

Good luck and GO TEAM VILLAGE!

[MuuMuuChainsmoker]

4 minutes ago, Deadpool said:

I have to say in all honesty, that I find @Drogo's natural and let’s face it, frankly understandable, fascination with me really quite flattering… a little arousing even. 
[Looks to camera: no seriously, I have some special, ‘me’ time put aside later especially because of this, it’s gonna be good!]

Boys and girls, if you allow yourself to be guided by this bizarre and unfounded insistence of his to see me as a furry (I mean c’mon people me in fur? That’s just wrong on so many levels I can’t even) and join the DL on me, you’re being led on a path to total fucking disaster for Team village. Pretty sure I can’t say it any clearer than that. 
Take a look at who is on my DL with @Drogo at the moment; @Jesse and @aquarian1, both of whom are on the suspect list, so 2 suspected members of ‘Team wolf’ are voting for another ‘alleged’ wolf? That makes completely no sense, why would they risk that? Damn I’m good.
If I had robbed a wolf I would’ve claimed that I’d robbed someone like @Hanged Man and become a vanilla villager (Robber acts before Troublemaker) or even say I robbed @Lisin and became a Hunter, aka easy pickings. As opposed to claiming I robbed the Drunk and then go on to cause confusion and complications for myself by stating that I know for a fact that the robber card is now in the unclaimed pile. You’re giving me far too much credit, but to be fair that’s understandable because, as we all know, I am pretty amazing (you’ve seen my movie right?).  
Furthermore, during ANY game the robber could rob a wolf then lie about who they robbed, what makes me so special that @Drogo is determined to suspect me <again> this time? Apart from my obvious specialness of course ;) 
Last time when I was the Hunter, he also thought I was lying and that I was the Tanner, this time I robbed the Drunk but suddenly for some, as yet unknown, reason I’m lying again and I’m a wolf??
Here’s a tip for you @Drogo the only problem with crying wolf too many times (see what I did there?!) is that eventually nobody will believe you when the time comes that they actually should.

The fact is I’m not sure whether @egavasc or @Jesse is the Minion or Wolf which is why I suggested (please note: suggested, not told) a solution of DL’ing them both equally. My understanding is that as long as a wolf dies Team village wins, if the minion dies too it’s irrelevant. (@SVNBob please confirm that this is correct).

Anyhoo, I’ve said what I came to say, I’ve laid my cards on the table, I’ve told the truth and I’ve been an honest Robber. 
It’s very unlikely I’ll be able to post again before time is up, so I hope you guys make the right choice but my work here is done.

I must now bid farewell to all of you sexy people because the previously mentioned special, ‘me’ time awaits! 

Good luck and GO TEAM VILLAGE!

TL: DR.  Ryan Reynolds needs to come over to my house and explain it to me in person.   Leave the suit on, big fella.  

[MarkHB]

If the Minion dies, the wolves win.

I'm keeping my vote where it is, because if I switch now people will say it's because I'm a DC Zombie eager to kill off a Marvel hero.

[SVNBob]

4 hours ago, Deadpool said:

My understanding is that as long as a wolf dies Team village wins, if the minion dies too it’s irrelevant. (@SVNBob please confirm that this is correct).

This is correct.

[formerlyfreedom]

4 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Lisin, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight) 

2 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB, saoirse)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

[Drogo]

5 hours ago, Deadpool said:

I have to say in all honesty, that I find @Drogo's natural and let’s face it, frankly understandable, fascination with me really quite flattering… a little arousing even. 

54 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

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My understanding is that as long as a wolf dies Team village wins, if the minion dies too it’s irrelevant. (@SVNBob please confirm that this is correct).

This is correct.

I was confused about this, I thought Minion death was Wolf-Win and Wolf death was Village-Win and equal# DL would be a draw.  I'll leave my vote anyway (for reasons gif'd above.)

[Drogo]

9 hours ago, MarkHB said:

OK, after rereading the last couple of pages, I think I'm leaving my vote where it is.  It's likely @Jesse is up to no good, and we know she's not the Tanner (and now I wish I hadn't made the swap I did, because @drogo playing the Tanner would have been amusing), and I don't have anything more convincing to go on for the others.

Not me, I'm so glad you made the swap.  I hate the Tanner and hope he lives forever.  I even posted "Thank goodness" after @saoirse teased that she knew who the Tanner was.  What happened was the "best case scenario" I described to @SVNBob when I got the role.  Sorry @Hanged Man :)

[SVNBob]

14 minutes ago, Drogo said:

I thought Minion death was Wolf-Win and Wolf death was Village-Win and equal# DL would be a draw. 

Nope. Sidestepping the Tanner, there's only one question that need to be asked at the end of voting.

Did a Wolf die at all?  If yes, Village wins.  If no, Wolves win.

The Tanner can win with either side in he is killed in a tie, but there cannot be a draw between Village and Wolves.

Edited May 19, 2016 by SVNBob

[MarkHB]

1 hour ago, MarkHB said:

If the Minion dies, the wolves win.

 

14 minutes ago, SVNBob said:

Nope. Sidestepping the Tanner, there's only one question that need to be asked at the end of voting.

Did a Wolf die at all?  If yes, Village wins.  If no, Wolves win.

The Tanner can win with either side in he is killed in a tie, but there cannot be a draw between Village and Wolves.

I misspoke because I wasn't thinking of a tie in that instance.   Sorry, everyone!  Bob, thanks for the clarification on shared victory for the Tanner.

[Jesse]

That really seems like the weakest endgame here. Come on villagers! Take a stand! Pick a side!  And may I suggest a closer look at @aquarian1, while there's still a little  time to do it? 

[MarkHB]

I think the time has passed for "pick a side!"  I think the time is here for "kill everything in sight!"

[Hanged Man]

3 to DL @egavasc (Deadpool, Machiabelly, The Onion Knight) 

3 to DL @Jesse (MarkHB, saoirse, Lisin)

3 to DL @Deadpool (Drogo, aquarian1, Jesse)

1 to DL @aquarian1 (CP)

1 to DL @Hanged Man (Hanged Man) Because even if I don't know who I am, apparently people who do know who I am say I need to get DL'd to win. Though they could be wrong

Edited May 19, 2016 by Hanged Man

[MarkHB]

5 is amateur hour; I hit 70 with one post this morning!  :)