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formerlyfreedom

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Okay, I'm back. Here's the thing - I started as the Seer. I did check someone out, and I can say that at least one of the people who posted before me did NOT start out as what they said.

2 minutes ago, Jesse said:

No one wants to claim the Robber or Troublemaker? It would help the rest of know if we even are who we think we are!

Yes, please do! This would be helpful!

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formerlyfreedom

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4 minutes ago, Machiabelly said:

When I looked there was one unclaimed Mason, I do not know if that means they are both unclaimed or if we have one Mason talking in the dark alone.

I'm going to clarify that to my knowledge, @Machiabelly is legit - he is NOT the player I checked. So this is interesting!

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Q:  If I got a troublemaker or robber from the center pile, would I then get their action? 

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MuuMuuChainsmoker

MuuMuuChainsmoker

OK, so from our sign up list

  1. Deadpool - Claiming Villager, but not vanilla
  2. CuriousParker - Claiming Drunk
  3. The Onion Knight - Claiming Insomniac
  4. Lisin - Claiming Villager (non-vanilla), MMCS confirms.
  5. Machiabelly - Claiming Apprentice Seer (states that Mason was one of the unclaimed roles)
  6. MarkHB - Claiming Troublemaker
  7. Drogo - Claiming Vanilla Villager
  8. egavasc - Checked in, but hasn't claimed anything
  9. saoirse - Claiming seer
  10. MuuMuuChainSmoker - Claiming Villager, but not vanilla
  11. aquarian1 - Claiming Vanilla Villager
  12. Jesse - Checked in, but hasn't claimed anything
  13. Hanged Man - Hasn't checked in. 

Edited to fix A1 and Mark's listings. 

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formerlyfreedom

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I just went back and realized that the only two people who DIDN'T post before me were @CuriousParker and @Hanged Man. It felt like not so many had!

@MarkHB, I can appreciate keeping your cards closer this time, but since we don't seem to have a Robber coming forward, I wonder if who you swapped MIGHT help? Because I know who I 'saw' is someone we definitely don't WANT to take out.

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formerlyfreedom

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2 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

@saoirse: one of the above

ARRRRGHHHHH!

Bartender, please beer me, and give me a large object to brain @MarkHB with please and thank you!

Oh, and also.. guys. I found the Tanner. That's why I've been keeping it on the down low. But if people want to keep stuff to themselves, that's FINE. Go right ahead. :P

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MuuMuuChainsmoker

MuuMuuChainsmoker

Given that I know that @saoirse didn't see @Lisin as the Tanner and assuming for the moment that she is telling the truth about being the Seer, then that potentially makes either @Drogo or @aquarian1  originally.  

However, as an alternate theory, I am slightly suspicious that @MarkHB actually robbed the Tanner rather than switching the Tanner with someone else.  In this hypothetical, it would be in Mark's interest to claim to be the Troublemaker in the hopes that he would get challenged on it and look wolfish.  If no one speaks up as the Troublemaker, then perhaps @MarkHB is telling the truth or perhaps that role isn't in play this game.  

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SVNBob

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5 hours ago, Drogo said:

The only player that gets the night action of their new rule is The Doppelganger, if I'm not mistaken. 

To clarify, this is correct. 

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Drogo

Drogo

11 hours ago, saoirse said:

@MarkHB, I can appreciate keeping your cards closer this time, but since we don't seem to have a Robber coming forward, I wonder if who you swapped MIGHT help? Because I know who I 'saw' is someone we definitely don't WANT to take out.

Come on @MarkHB - let's hear it!  Who'd you switch?

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Hanged Man

Hanged Man

On 5/17/2016 at 1:07 AM, SVNBob said:

And remember, this time there are only TWO Villagers, not three.

Well I get to throw a little extra confusion into the mix. I started out as a vanilla villager, and that's all I know.

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Hanged Man

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there are only two vanilla villagers at the start of then game, so Drogo or Aquarian1 could be a dobbleganger, robber, troublemaker or Drunk.

@SVNBob You said there were only two villagers does that mean as players or as positions total. So are there 3 VV and one was unclaimed or were there 2 VV cards total?

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SVNBob

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9 minutes ago, Hanged Man said:

So are there 3 VV and one was unclaimed or were there 2 VV cards total?

2 vanilla Villagers total.  I removed one of the usual 3 from the selection draw.

If it helps, think of that Villager as the corpse that started the search for the werewolves in the first place.

As for unclaimed roles, one or two of them could be a Villager.  That's for you all to figure out.  I can't say for another 26.5 hours or so.

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Drogo

Drogo

Just now, MarkHB said:

To make things more interesting, the two people I switched are both claiming vanilla Villager: @Drogo and @Hanged Man.  Thought I'd go all guys this time :)

(I was waiting for HM to make a claim before I said anything firm.)

If this is true, @Hanged Man is now the Tanner.

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Lisin

Lisin

Ooooooh. As I was creating my list (LISTS 4EVA!!) this shit just got real! 

So, because it helps me to have it laid out this way, here's what we "know" 

  • Doppelganger 
  • Werewolf
  • Werewolf
  • Minion 
  • Mason - Machiabelly states that Mason was one of the unclaimed roles 
  • Mason
  • Seer  - saoirse 
  •  Apprentice Seer - Machiabelly 
  • Robber 
  • Troublemaker - MarkHB 
  • Drunk - CuriousParker
  • Insomniac - The Onion Knight
  • Villager -  aquarian1 
  • Villager - Hanged Man (Maybe now Tanner if Mark is telling the truth)
  • Hunter
  • Tanner - Drogo claiming he was the Tanner but was switched by Mark

 

  • Deadpool - Claiming Villager, but not vanilla
  • Lisin - Claiming Villager (non-vanilla), MMCS confirms.
  • egavasc - Checked in, but hasn't claimed anything
  • MuuMuuChainSmoker - Claiming Villager, but not vanilla
  • aquarian1 - Claiming Vanilla Villager
  • Jesse - Checked in, but hasn't claimed anything, hinting at Hunter possibility
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Drogo

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6 minutes ago, Lisin said:
  • Villager - Hanged Man (Maybe now Tanner if Mark is telling the truth)
  • Hunter
  • Tanner - Drogo claiming he was the Tanner but was switched by Mark

Claim, shmaim.  @saoirse was talking about me when she said she saw the Tanner, she'll probably confirm soon.  And if @MarkHB is lying, and I wasn't robbed, I still am the Tanner.

Know this, I do not want the Tanner to win. 

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Lisin

Lisin

@Drogo that all tracks, I just put "claiming" next to everyone since we all have no real "back up" with this one. But you're making sense so we should probably rule out voting for you, or @Hanged Man just to be safe... which is exactly what a bunch of wolves would want us to do, but I'm guessing @saoirse will be in soon to back you up since she had already said someone was lying and I know she wasn't talking about me or @MuuMuuChainsmoker and with the timeline of posts I think the only other possibility was you or @aquarian1. 

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Drogo

Drogo

Just now, saoirse said:

@Drogo was indeed the Tanner. Agree, @Lisin, not voting for Drogo for sure. I'm on the fence if I believe @MarkHB's claim though. And of course, not sure how you and @MuuMuuChainsmoker know who each other are if you're not Masons?

Ugh, my brain hurts, and my headache isn't helping matters!

I want to say that @MuuMuuChainsmoker is a Doppelganger and copied @Lisin, or vice versa.  Or I want to say they're wolves.

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Deadpool

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I’ll now reveal that I was the Robber. I held off until now in the hopes that the WW’s would assume it was unclaimed and one of them would claim it. I robbed @CuriousParker and became the Drunk, then she swapped her role so I have no idea what she is now, but I do know for a fact that the Robber as of now, is in the 3 unclaimed roles pile.
@Hanged Man can you confirm that you did actually start out as a vanilla villager, if so we can eliminate @Drogo from the suspect list.
@MuuMuuChainsmoker and @Lisin I asked myself how MuuMuu could know Lisin’s role if MuuMuu isn't a seer and they confirmed that they’re not masons? 
Conclusion, MuuMuu is the doppleganger, BUT, there aren't any Team village roles left? So unless they claim that @aquarian1 is lying about being a vanilla villager - which no-one has challenged so far - they’re both either Minions or Wolves.
Therefore, I have to conclude that as things stand:
@egavasc @MuuMuuChainsmoker @Lisin and @aquarian1 make up the following possible combo of roles: Minions, Wolves, Mason, Vanilla Villager.
I suspect that @MuuMuuChainsmoker dopple’d @Lisin and became a Minion aka we have 2 Minions, leaving either @egavasc or @aquarian1 as either 2 wolves or 1 wolf and 1 Mason/Vanilla Villager. How we decide who is who between them, I do not know.

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Drogo

Drogo

2 minutes ago, Deadpool said:

@MuuMuuChainsmoker and @Lisin I asked myself how MuuMuu could know Lisin’s role if MuuMuu isn't a seer and they confirmed that they’re not masons? 
Conclusion, MuuMuu is the doppleganger, BUT, there aren't any Team village roles left? So unless they claim that @aquarian1 is lying about being a vanilla villager - which no-one has challenged so far - they’re both either Minions or Wolves.

Or @Lisin was the Hunter and now @MuuMuuChainsmoker is also the Hunter, and @Jesse was misleading us here:

2 hours ago, Jesse said:

So....what if I said I'm the Hunter?

Or @Hanged Man was lying and was actually a Minion/Wolf and now I am.  Troublemaker does go after Seer.

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Lisin

Lisin

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@Deadpool I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying. If you were the robber and robbed CP then you are now the drunk, isn't she the robber? "The Robber secretly swaps roles with another player and looks at their stolen role." She would just be the robber, there isn't a second round of stealing/swapping AFAIK. 

Was just about to type a reply when @Drogo posted, so I'll just say "what he said" because yeah. The non vanilla village roles are: 

  • Doppelganger 
  • Mason - Machiabelly states that Mason was one of the unclaimed roles 
  • Mason
  • Seer  - saoirse 
  •  Apprentice Seer - Machiabelly 
  • Robber - Deadpool
  • Troublemaker - MarkHB 
  • Drunk - CuriousParker
  • Insomniac - The Onion Knight
  • Hunter - Jesse

I can say for sure that at least one of these people is lying, and I can also say for sure that there are unclaimed roles that fit into the "non vanilla villager" category. 

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To remove Villagers from the mix
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FormerMod-a1

FormerMod-a1

i wish I had more to add, or a way to defend myself other than to say I am indeed a vanilla villager.  Or was, but since no one claimed to swap me or anything I'm pretty sure I still am.  

This is the least I've known in a game in a long time.  

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Jesse

Jesse

42 minutes ago, Deadpool said:

I’ll now reveal that I was the Robber. I held off until now in the hopes that the WW’s would assume it was unclaimed and one of them would claim it. I robbed @CuriousParker and became the Drunk, then she swapped her role so I have no idea what she is now, but I do know for a fact that the Robber as of now, is in the 3 unclaimed roles pile.

 

23 minutes ago, Lisin said:

@Deadpool I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying. If you were the robber and robbed CP then you are now the drunk, isn't she the robber? "The Robber secretly swaps roles with another player and looks at their stolen role." She would just be the robber, there isn't a second round of stealing/swapping AFAIK. 

 

But the Drunk goes after the Robber, right? So if the Robber becomes the Drunk, that same player then becomes an unknown role. And the person who was originally the Drunk is now the Robber with no additional action.  I.e., assuming truthfulness, @Deadpool was the Robber, switched with @CuriousParker and became the Drunk, which means he then switched with another role at random, leaving CP as the Drunk, DP as an unknown role and an unknown player as the Robber. 

I think!

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Lisin

Lisin

GAH! This game is so confusing!! I LOVE IT!

Ok, Drunk goes after Robber yes, so it would go like this (I think)

Beginning of game

@Deadpool - Robber

@CuriousParker - Drunk

Deadpool robs CP of Drunk. 

Now DP - Drunk

CP - Robber.

DP as Drunk blindly swaps with an unclaimed role. 

So, if I'm not mistaken (and I totally could be) if Deadpool is telling the truth then we know CuriousParker is the Robber, but we don't know who Deadpool is because even Deadpool doesn't know.

Meaning DP could be the unclaimed Minion or whatever the second unclaimed role was. (Apprentace Seer goes before Robber and Drunk so @Machiabelly seeing one Minion as unclaimed means that could still be DP). Right? 

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egavasc

egavasc

1 hour ago, Deadpool said:


@MuuMuuChainsmoker and @Lisin I asked myself how MuuMuu could know Lisin’s role if MuuMuu isn't a seer and they confirmed that they’re not masons? 
Conclusion, MuuMuu is the doppleganger.

This game makes my head hurt. I keep trying to reread through everything and it makes less and less sense. I thought I'd have more time to participate but this week has been weirdly exhausting. 

Deadpool's conclusion here is wrong, because I'm the doppelganger and I copied Machiabelly. I can confirm that there is a mason as an unclaimed role. Whether or not Machiabelly and I looked at the same role is unclear, but there was definitely an unclaimed mason.

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Drogo

Drogo

The robber gets the new role but not their night action. I think. CP would have still gotten to swap her role. When you're robbed you don't know you're robbed.

Bob can clarify.

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Jesse

Jesse

11 minutes ago, Lisin said:

GAH! This game is so confusing!! I LOVE IT!

Ok, Drunk goes after Robber yes, so it would go like this (I think)

Beginning of game

@Deadpool - Robber

@CuriousParker - Drunk

Deadpool robs CP of Drunk. 

Now DP - Drunk

CP - Robber.

DP as Drunk blindly swaps with an unclaimed role. 

So, if I'm not mistaken (and I totally could be) if Deadpool is telling the truth then we know CuriousParker is the Robber, but we don't know who Deadpool is because even Deadpool doesn't know.

Meaning DP could be the unclaimed Minion or whatever the second unclaimed role was. (Apprentace Seer goes before Robber and Drunk so @Machiabelly seeing one Minion as unclaimed means that could still be DP). Right? 

Oh right -- Drunk swaps with an unclaimed role, so the Drunk card is now sitting in the unclaimed pile.

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MarkHB

MarkHB

9 minutes ago, Lisin said:

GAH! This game is so confusing!! I LOVE IT!

Ok, Drunk goes after Robber yes, so it would go like this (I think)

Beginning of game

@Deadpool - Robber

@CuriousParker - Drunk

Deadpool robs CP of Drunk. 

Now DP - Drunk

CP - Robber.

DP as Drunk blindly swaps with an unclaimed role. 

So, if I'm not mistaken (and I totally could be) if Deadpool is telling the truth then we know CuriousParker is the Robber, but we don't know who Deadpool is because even Deadpool doesn't know.

Meaning DP could be the unclaimed Minion or whatever the second unclaimed role was. (Apprentace Seer goes before Robber and Drunk so @Machiabelly seeing one Minion as unclaimed means that could still be DP). Right? 

No, I asked @SVNBob about this before the game started, as I was confused about the Robber.  It boils down to, Except for Doppelganger, night actions do not affect other night actions.  So the action would have been:

Beginning of game

@Deadpool - Robber

@Curiousparker - Drunk

Deadpool robs CP of Drunk. 

CP as Drunk blindly swaps with an unclaimed role. 

-- Daybreak --

Now DP - Drunk

CP - Whatever she swapped for.

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Deadpool

Deadpool

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@CuriousParker should also be added to the above mix, as she and we, have no idea what she is either.
I tend to think the most vocal ‘bad guys’ are usually the minions wanting to distract us from the real Wolves, this is why I’m working on the premise that MuuMuu and Lisin are Minions, not Wolves. By the same token, most Wolves prefer to stay fairly quiet and fade into the background (example: caprice in the last game) and both aquarian1 and egavasc have been very quiet this game.
As for @Jesse lying, once again it’d be risky to come out and claim when so few claims had been made, it leaves you open to being called out. So I’m inclined to believe Jesse because if she wasn’t the Hunter and @Lisin was, why wouldn’t Lisin or MuuMuu have called her out on it already?
As I said, we need @Hanged Man to confirm what he was so we definitely can rule out @Drogo from the suspect list.
@Lisin and @Jesse - @MarkHB is correct and I know for a 100% fact the Robber is back in the unclaimed pile because I was unsure about what happens myself so I double checked into how that works, suffice to say only the Doppleganger gets 2 night actions; if they copy a role that has one. Everyone else who has a night action retains their own original night action. 
I became and remain the Drunk and CP received MY Robber card but obviously she didn’t know this and then blindly swapped it for one of the unclaimed roles because she still performed her ORIGINAL night action due to ORIGINALLY being the Drunk. 
Hopefully the mechanics will be explained by Bob if not now, after the game? Seems a little unfair that Team Village could potentially make a bad choice because the full game mechanics of certain variables are misunderstood.
Also @Lisin if you claim someone is lying, now is the time to say who and defend yourself. Keeping quiet about who you are now only makes you look more suspicious and Minion-like. Also please tell us which village roles are still unclaimed and confirm how MMCS knew your role, especially now that @egavasc claims Doppleganger? You already stated that you’re not a Mason and as I said both vanilla villager roles have been claimed. So who is lying and if that is true, why haven’t you challenged them until you yourself have been put under suspicion? Very shady.

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Deadpool – Robber became Drunk (CP)
CuriousParker – Drunk became unknown 
The Onion Knight - Insomniac
Lisin - Claiming Villager (non-vanilla), MMCS confirms. MMCS = doppleganger??
Machiabelly - Apprentice Seer (states that Mason was one of the unclaimed roles)
MarkHB - Troublemaker
Drogo - Tanner, swapped by MarkHB became vanilla villager
egavasc - Claiming Doppleganger
saoirse - Seer
MuuMuuChainSmoker – Doppleganger copied Lisin??
aquarian1 - Claiming Vanilla Villager
Jesse - Hunter
Hanged Man – Vanilla Villager, swapped by MarkHB with Drogo, became Tanner

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