The Land That Time Forgot: TV Shows That Haven't Aired In A Long Time

[meep.meep]

No one knows if they have been deleted, just that public access has been removed.  Kind of like the Disney vault...

[Blergh]

13 hours ago, meep.meep said:

No one knows if they have been deleted, just that public access has been removed.  Kind of like the Disney vault...

MTV hasn't claimed that they have NOT been deleted  decades worth of archives despite the coverage public knowledge of the access being removed- and if there is no access to something, that means there's NOTHING to stop them from deleting it if they haven't already done so!

IOW, I wouldn't hold my breath thinking that it's somehow been secretly preserved.

 

[BlueSkies]

Samantha Who.

 

I saw Jennifer Esposito on Kelly and Mark this week and she still looked good and healthy.  I got reminded of this show.  It had Christina Applegate as well!

 

Pretty much Jennifer and Christina alone would have made me watch but the clips made it seem kind of funny too.  I know I remember Jennifer's saying her character on the show was something of a parody.  

 

Edit: seemed the show revolved around Christina's character but I remember Jennifer's character more from the show.  

Edited July 4 by BlueSkies

[EtheltoTillie]

On 6/15/2024 at 12:37 AM, woodstock said:

Duet

This was one of Fox network’s first shows when the network launched a Sunday night prime time lineup. It ran for three seasons beginning in 1987. I was in junior/senior high school and totally obsessed with Ben and Laura🤣. 

Although the show isn’t streaming anywhere I have found all of the show’s episodes on the Internet Archive (archive.org)website.

 

I loved that show I’m also a big fan of Mary Page Keller. I used to watch her and her husband on Another World. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

39 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

I loved that show I’m also a big fan of Mary Page Keller. I used to watch her and her husband on Another World. 

She graduated from my high school! A few years before I attended though. 

[EtheltoTillie]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

She graduated from my high school! A few years before I attended though. 

Wow!  

[giovannif7]

Heads up to fans of 80s sitcom Kate & Allie - all six seasons of the multi-Emmy-winning series starring Susan Saint James and Jane Curtin have begun streaming for free on the Roku Channel via the Roku app, according to TV Line. The show focuses on two divorced women who decide to pool their resources and raise their children under one roof. I think this is the first time the show has been made available on a U.S. streaming service.

 

[tearknee]

Vicki versus Vanessa on "Small Wonder" was a pint-sized version of the Evil Twin (or in this case, Playing Your Own Twin for Miss/Ms. Brissette).

I think of all the rejected scripts from writers who knew that changing the SW format to "social realism" from "lighthearted fantasy" and using Vicki's unique child gynoid status and perspective to tackle issues such as guns and i realize how we were deprived of a much better "Small Wonder".  

[BlueSkies]

I definitely remember this.  It felt a little like following Mike Seaver after Growing Pains ended.

 

 

Edited August 19 by BlueSkies

[tearknee]

5 hours ago, BlueSkies said:

I definitely remember this.  It felt a little like following Ben Seaver after Growing Pains ended.

 

 

The network should have just fired Cameron when the GP team asked them to. Would GP have survived longer than it did? Maybe not, but it would have had a better chance to do so if it had resected the carcinoma (Greek PM's words about the abolition of the monarchy) then what did happen in real history.

[Palimelon]

What is that story between GP and Cameron?

[BlueSkies]

3 hours ago, tearknee said:

The network should have just fired Cameron when the GP team asked them to. Would GP have survived longer than it did? Maybe not, but it would have had a better chance to do so if it had resected the carcinoma (Greek PM's words about the abolition of the monarchy) then what did happen in real history.

I recalled watching this a little as a middle schooler.  I thought it was all right….   Something I’d watch but not something I would circle and look forward to.

 

I was definitely unaware of Kirk’s belief system and what sort was going on under the surface with him.

 

That being said perhaps an unpopular opinion but yeah I still recall the show kind of fondly in a way 

[BlueSkies]

I remember this one was on WB at the same time as the Kirk show.  Looking it up it might have been offered on Netflix over the years?  But my last memories of the show were when it was still on the air

 

 

[Raja]

6 hours ago, Palimelon said:

What is that story between GP and Cameron?

When Kirk Cameron was born again he went towards the fundamentalist branch of Christianity. And started to object to what was expected from even a nice boy teenager in the story.

[BlueSkies]

Rudy and Gogo.

 

I still remember this commercial!!

 

 

[tearknee]

Thought that it would be Rudy Huxtable for a second, there *sheepish*

[KWalkerInc]

21 hours ago, BlueSkies said:

I remember this one was on WB at the same time as the Kirk show.  Looking it up it might have been offered on Netflix over the years?  But my last memories of the show were when it was still on the air

 

 

I think Sister, Sister airs on MTV2 late at night on the weekends?  I know that sometimes when I'm checking to see if Living Single is on, they're showing this instead.

[andromeda331]

On 8/19/2024 at 5:33 AM, BlueSkies said:

I remember this one was on WB at the same time as the Kirk show.  Looking it up it might have been offered on Netflix over the years?  But my last memories of the show were when it was still on the air

 

 

I've been watching it on Amazon Prime. It's still a pretty fun show. Ray and Lisa are hilarious. Tamara annoys me from time to time. I forgot that Brittney Murphy was in season one as their friend Sarah.

[Notabug]

On 8/19/2024 at 1:18 PM, Raja said:

When Kirk Cameron was born again he went towards the fundamentalist branch of Christianity. And started to object to what was expected from even a nice boy teenager in the story.

As I recall, he objected to kissing other actresses.  His now wife played his girlfriend on the show and I guess he would kiss her since they were together.  He has repeatedly stated that he won't take acting roles where he has romantic scenes/kissing with another actress as it would be like cheating on his wife.

Apparently he cannot separate acting from real life.

[Raja]

6 minutes ago, Notabug said:

As I recall, he objected to kissing other actresses.  His now wife played his girlfriend on the show and I guess he would kiss her since they were together.  He has repeatedly stated that he won't take acting roles where he has romantic scenes/kissing with another actress as it would be like cheating on his wife.

Apparently he cannot separate acting from real life.

Devout Catholic instead of Kirk Cameron's Evangelical  Neal McDonough, Buck Compton from Band of Brothers is the same. Since leads need to be in the I want him that audiences see and react to role. So he now specializes in villains, but not the kind that rape on screen or have sex with the girlfriends. 

Edited August 20 by Raja

[GHScorpiosRule]

16 minutes ago, Notabug said:

As I recall, he objected to kissing other actresses.  His now wife played his girlfriend on the show and I guess he would kiss her since they were together. 

Not only that, but he got Julie McCullough, who appeared as a possible love interest, fired because it turned out she had posed in Playboy, I think it was? Or one of those rags. 

He's an ass.

[tearknee]

Least Blair Warner wasn't like Kirk.

[Raja]

41 minutes ago, tearknee said:

Least Blair Warner wasn't like Kirk.

They just moved the losing her virginity to another character and she sat out the episode 

[tearknee]

Exactly.

Mind you I'm not sure how the (possibly proposed while boozy in the ABC canteen) idea of rebuilding GP around Leo's Luke (with Ben and Chrissy as his "posse", I presume?) could have worked...

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Trivia/GrowingPains

[Raja]

With four girls, I guess they retconned Tootie along the way to make her about the same age as the others, they always had more options on The Facts of Life than Growing Pains had.

Edited August 20 by Raja

[tearknee]

(this is funny if you are a fan of "The Goodies"!)

[Ceindreadh]

3 hours ago, Raja said:

Devout Catholic instead of Kirk Cameron's Evangelical  Neal McDonough, Buck Compton from Band of Brothers is the same. Since leads need to be in the I want him that audiences see and react to role. So he now specializes in villains, but not the kind that rape on screen or have sex with the girlfriends. 

As long as he's not being an arse about it to other people, I guess it's up to him if he wants to limit his roles like that. 

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, Raja said:

With four girls, I guess they retconned Tootie along the way to make her about the same age as the others, they always had more options on The Facts of Life than Growing Pains had.

No they didn’t. She was always 2-3 years younger.

[Mrsmaul2021]

I wonder why Soul Food the series is not streaming on Showtime. Also I would love for Homicide Life on the Streets to find a new streaming home 

[Raja]

2 hours ago, Mrsmaul2021 said:

Also I would love for Homicide Life on the Streets to find a new streaming home

Peacock just started Homicide: Life on the Street last Monday Aug 19th. I  think its exclusive and  you can't rent it a la carte elsewhere

[Zella]

Apparently, for streaming Homicide, a lot of the original music is gone--I assume a rights issue--but it is in 4K resolution. As someone who's long wanted to watch the show, I've been debating whether or not to stream it or hunt down the original DVDs. 

[tearknee]

I'd rather have generic music than nothing at all.

[Mrsmaul2021]

6 hours ago, Raja said:

Peacock just started Homicide: Life on the Street last Monday Aug 19th. I  think its exclusive and  you can't rent it a la carte elsewhere

 

Oh wow! Thanks!

[Palimelon]

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I'd rather have generic music than nothing at all.

It can be a bit jarring though to rewatch old shows you enjoyed and notice how some of the songs have changed. And if it's a scene you really remember, then it can be a bit jarring, especially as the new song just doesn't fit. As an example, for any original 90210 fans, they'll understand once they rewatch this scene.

 

Edited August 21 by Palimelon

[Haleth]

16 hours ago, Raja said:

Devout Catholic instead of Kirk Cameron's Evangelical  Neal McDonough, Buck Compton from Band of Brothers is the same. Since leads need to be in the I want him that audiences see and react to role. So he now specializes in villains, but not the kind that rape on screen or have sex with the girlfriends. 

Yeah, I've heard Neal won't kiss another woman on screen, but he has no problem playing psychopathic, murderous, homophobic villains on screen as he did in Justified.  Go figure.

[tearknee]

People are complicated.

Although as i said elsewhere, at least Blair Warner was no Kirk Cameron (and the fact that she's been given much more leeway than him is, in retrospect, food for thought IMO but YMMV).

[Raja]

2 hours ago, Haleth said:

Yeah, I've heard Neal won't kiss another woman on screen, but he has no problem playing psychopathic, murderous, homophobic villains on screen as he did in Justified.  Go figure.

Its not about the character in his case it is what he has to do with his body. He is his own intimacy coordinator. And directors thought it was easier to cast someone else.  It would be like an actress who refuses to expose her nipples for a "sin-max" or prestige TV show giving up those roles to others. 

The thing is there were a bunch of stories that Google found and feed me seeing my interest here about the current movies where in the past the leads would have been expected to seal the story with a kiss but they are not kissing anymore. Twisters and The Union being the most recent examples.

1 hour ago, tearknee said:

People are complicated.

Although as i said elsewhere, at least Blair Warner was no Kirk Cameron (and the fact that she's been given much more leeway than him is, in retrospect, food for thought IMO but YMMV).

I really haven't heard from Lisa Whelchel except for celebrity reality since The Facts of Life. Meanwhile I can only think of Fireproof where Brother Cameron was the only professional actor working for that Sherwood Baptist Church production house and a Touched By An Angel episode since he went televangelist. 

Edited August 21 by Raja

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, tearknee said:

Although as i said elsewhere, at least Blair Warner was no Kirk Cameron

Blair Warner was the character. Lisa Whelchel is the actress.

30 minutes ago, Raja said:

I really haven't heard from Warner except for celebrity reality since the facts of Life.

Blair Warner was the character's name that Lisa Whelchel played.

[tearknee]

4 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Blair Warner was the character. Lisa Whelchel is the actress.

Blair Warner was the character's name that Lisa Whelchel played.

To clarify -- i wasn't being intentionally insulting (at least not to Ms. Whelchel personally) - the fact i called the man "Kirk" rather than the more respectful "Mr. Cameron" is an indication i was not intending to be sexist but rather anti-fundamentalist.

[GHScorpiosRule]

38 minutes ago, tearknee said:

To clarify -- i wasn't being intentionally insulting (at least not to Ms. Whelchel personally) - the fact i called the man "Kirk" rather than the more respectful "Mr. Cameron" is an indication i was not intending to be sexist but rather anti-fundamentalist.

I didn't think you were, but Kirk is, well that's his name, and not the character he played on Growing Pains, which was Michael. And Blair is the name of the character Lisa played. 

[tearknee]

It's also likely that "Mike Seaver" is less remembered than the man himself whereas Whelchel's character is thought of more positively as Ms. Whelchel has proven herself a lot better human than Kirk Cameron -- whether on the show or in the years afterwards -- so that many have also influenced my thoughtlessness. 

[Calvada]

15 hours ago, Palimelon said:

It can be a bit jarring though to rewatch old shows you enjoyed and notice how some of the songs have changed. And if it's a scene you really remember, then it can be a bit jarring, especially as the new song just doesn't fit. 

WKRP in Cincinnati had a story about the unexpected pregnancy of the wife of the station manager - Mr. & Mrs. Carlson. They are in their 40's and don't know if they are ready for a baby at their age and because they have a troubled teen.  Anyway, there's a scene where Mr. Carlson goes into the booth to talk with one of the DJs, who is not aware of the pregnancy.  Mr. Carlson asks Venus if he knows how old his wife is, says he'd like to have a girl, Venus says we all would, then Mr. Carlson says but a boy would be nice too, he doesn't care, and what would Venus prefer?  Venus is looking at him with this great WTF expression and says girl!  Mr. Carlson says I'm not fussy, and Venus says apparently not.  Then Mr. Carlson leaves to speak to his wife (to tell her that he wants them to have the baby) and he asks Venus to play something soft and sweet.  He goes to his office to talk to his wife and suddenly over the speaker comes "Thank Heaven for Little Girls" by Maurice Chevalier from the Gigi soundtrack.  That song is not on the DVDs (I think they use "We've Only Just Begun") but there's still a shot of Venus in the booth clutching the Gigi album as he contemplates Mr. Carlson having no preference between a girl or a boy.  It's just not the same without the original song.  

[tearknee]

Shame this show is not on a nostalgia network.

The ones Paramount Plus have been all from 1982 and are the post-1983 edits with bits missing after Nick became an advertising supported network.

[Raja]

22 hours ago, Zella said:

Apparently, for streaming Homicide, a lot of the original music is gone--I assume a rights issue--but it is in 4K resolution. As someone who's long wanted to watch the show, I've been debating whether or not to stream it or hunt down the original DVDs. 

I guess the cost has to be weighed with the art decision. I might have watched a couple of season and then episodes here and there of Homicide: Life In the Street back in the day but I don't remember the music being a thing like it was famously first for Miami Vice and later with the more youth aimed shows of CW when the music industry was trying to place their music as a video ad not in an attempt to get money from later home video sales..

[Zella]

22 minutes ago, Raja said:

I guess the cost has to be weighed with the art decision. I might have watched a couple of season and then episodes here and there of Homicide: Life In the Street back in the day but I don't remember the music being a thing like it was famously first for Miami Vice and later with the more youth aimed shows of CW when the music industry was trying to place their music as a video ad not in an attempt to get money from later home video sales..

Yeah my understanding is the delay in it coming to streaming was pretty much entirely the music rights, so I can see why they made the decision. I've still not watched it but seen some people complaining about it and it was hard to know if they had a point or were being drama llamas. 

[Shannon L.]

@Calvada most of the music that was used in WKRP was integral to the show and practically hardwired into the brains of its fans.  I won't even watch reruns because it seems wrong without the original music. 

[ABay]

I'm sure I've said this before, but the quintessential "not the same without the music" is an episode from Warehouse 13. The episode might be "Duped."  It revolves around Alice, from Alice in Wonderland, and they used "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane. Those scenes completely lack their impact and meaning without that song.

[tearknee]

They have no choice though - and sometimes it's the artists themselves who won't give clearance, as well.

[Lugal]

2 hours ago, ABay said:

I'm sure I've said this before, but the quintessential "not the same without the music" is an episode from Warehouse 13. The episode might be "Duped."  It revolves around Alice, from Alice in Wonderland, and they used "White Rabbit" by Jefferson Airplane. Those scenes completely lack their impact and meaning without that song.

I was just going to mention that.  I remember the dvd commentary where the writers said they pushed the producers/network to pay for the rights to that song because it wouldn't work otherwise.

[Raja]

13 hours ago, Calvada said:

He goes to his office to talk to his wife and suddenly over the speaker comes "Thank Heaven for Little Girls" by Maurice Chevalier from the Gigi soundtrack.  That song is not on the DVDs (I think they use "We've Only Just Begun") but there's still a shot of Venus in the booth clutching the Gigi album as he contemplates Mr. Carlson having no preference between a girl or a boy.  It's just not the same without the original song.  

That seems an odd substitute choice because they would still be paying for song rights, perhaps to someone else's pocket. A generic copy cat composed to sound like a hit  was TV music   before the needle drop era. But then that was also before the home sales of shows also.

I remember after the American Happy Birthday tune finally made it to public domain and it started to used on newer productions it now starting to spread to birthday parties globally.  There is a video from Angela Bofill's last before her strokes recorded Live in Manila concert where Christopher Cross (Sailing, Ride Like The Wind, Theme from Arthur) started trying to lead the audience in a happy birthday chorus to her. Only at the time Filipinos mostly used their own birthday tune. After the TV switch to the birthday song until today they will switch to English to sing the birthday song with another "happy birthday" in place of the "Dear Juan" phrase