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[pdlinda]

2 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

This woman thought they might kill her then went anyway.

I thought that after it was revealed that Aileen's mother died of cancer when she was a child and that was followed by the death of her father from a heart attack a few years later she was left with a permanent emotional disability. 

There was no mention of Aileen ever receiving intensive psychological therapy after her parents died so when her older sister(who served as her care giver after the death of her parents) moved to CA, I thought the dye was cast for Aileen to flounder and wind up in the disastrous situation that finally killed her.

I would never advocate for a person to die, but in Aileen's case, her behaviors and choices were so self-destructive that it was almost as though she was "tempting fate" and eventually she lost her battle with "life."

The two monsters who killed her were sentenced appropriately and I hope they serve their time with the thought of how depraved and horrendous their actions were that killed Aileen churning through their minds every single day!!

 

[TVbitch]

I dunno on Saturday's ep. They were both very drunk, and she was mixing a bunch of Rx's with a history of depression. Pills that he prescribed! She looked agitated on the video, so either she spiraled down or he got enraged about something. 🤷‍♀️

Whatever happened, he is clearly not the angel his family thinks he is. I mean, he had an affair on his wife (with four young kids at home) and he was unethetically prescribing drugs to the woman.  

[LakeGal]

We kept asking what happened to his pants.  The guy walked in the building wearing jeans.  But he was sitting in the hallway in his shorts.  What happened to his pants?  Was there blood on them?  

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Whatever happened, he is clearly not the angel his family thinks he is. I mean, he had an affair on his wife (with four young kids at home) and he was unethetically prescribing drugs to the woman.  

Seriously, if he was trying to keep his wife from finding out about the affair, that...clearly did not work out well for him in the end. 

And then the guy Alex was currently dating, Shane, was talking about how in love they were and all that...and yet here she was having an affair with Matthew at one point during their relationship, and Shane openly admitted to punching a wall during a fight they had, and he also got in a fight with Matthew at the bar. My mom, when watching the episode, was like, "So they're both jerks and yet she's the one who ends up dead?" 

Given she did have a history of a suicide attempt, and did have prescriptions for antidepressants, I can see why people would assume that she'd killed herself. But my big problems with that argument are:

-She was getting these prescriptions from Matthew, who not only shouldn't have been prescribing them to her, since it wasn't in a professional capacity, but is also not a mentall health expert and thus wouldn't know what kind of medication would actually work best for her. Suppose he was prescribing her medication that exacerbated her mental health issues instead of helped? Not the smartest thing to do for someone who has a history of attempting suicide. 

On a similar note, if you know your friend does have a history of attempting suicide and she is in a stressed out state of mind and sending those kinds of texts about needing a mental health day, why, why would you bring a GUN with you to their place? I know he claimed he did it for protection against Shane, but if she did wind up shooting herself with the gun, well.. clearly the gun didn't prove helpful in the end, did it? 

-If you know your friend is scared of their boyfriend, instead of coming to their place with a gun, why not say, "Hey, why don't you stay somewhere else for the night?" He's married, so bringing her to his place wouldn't work, obviously, but maybe he could've put her in a hotel room for the night or something, somewhere where she could be away from her boyfriend, who knows where she lives. Or he could've called the police and had them ensure she had a safe place to go for the night. Anything other than, again, coming over to her place with a weapon that would only wind up adding to the drama of the situation in some form or another and put him under scrutiny. 

-I know suicidal people will not always be thinking logically or calmly or whatever when they're in that headspace. I know it can be very common for people to go about their usual activities for the day, only to wind up taking their own life afterward. And I also understand people not wanting to live their lives in fear even when they're afraid of their signiicant other, or claim they are. 

Still, the timeline of events that night did seem odd to me - she claims to be scared of her boyfriend and is not in a good mental headspace...and yet she and Matthew are just going out and about bar hopping and having drinks like it's just a normal evening out? She didn't seem scared of Shane in that video at the bar, when Shane and Matthew first met face to face. And then she goes back to her place and supposedly shoots herself? 

I dunno. It just seemed weird to me. 

Plus, Matthew openly admitted to washing his hands and moving the gun And he just volunteered both pieces of information of his own accord - the hand washing bit he said when the police arrived after the 911 call was made, when he was simply telling them his story of what happened that night. And the whole moving the gun thing he decided to share after he'd been given a bit of time to himself mid-interrogation. That, combined with the fact that he called 911 after doing that stuff, is damning to me. If she did shoot herself, as he claims, one would think he would've called 911 the minute he opened that door affter hearing the gunshot, and saw her sprawled on the floor. Or hell, he could've called the moment she barricaded herself in the bathroom with the gun. If she did shoot herself, all his hand washing and not calling 911 right away did was just delay any chances of anyone coming to try and save her in time. And I could undrestand him panicking, but he'd also have to know that moivng the gun would not help his case and would make people more suspicious of him, not less. Especially since he put it on the wrong side of her body. 

But yeah. I don't think she killed herself. I think, despite the fact that Matthew and Alex had broken up by that point, their continued friendship gave him hope that maybe he could get her back. Especially if she gave him an indication she was scared of Shane.

Then they run into Shane at the bar and Matthew finds out she's still with him, and the two guys get in their little fight at the bar. She gets mad at Matthew afterward, be it for the bar fight, or for the fact that he wants to get back with her and she's not interested, or whatever, and they get in their own fight back at her place. 

And then, because he's got some alcohol in him and is still running on whatever anger he had from the whole encounter with Shane at the bar, and has access to a weapon besides, he shoots her. Then he panics, tries to clean up and make it look like a sucidie, and calls 911. She may have had a history with suicide attempts, and certainly all this drama with Shane and Matthew could add to her mental health struggles and could be a reason for her to want to take her own life. But I just don't think that's what happened here. 

Edited October 27 by Annber03

[12catcrazy]

I think that Matthew shot her after she got him enraged about something.  Again, another case where you don't want to blame the victim for what happened to them, but my take on this is that was a very screwed up young woman who had a knack for knowing how to push people's buttons and it killed her in the end.

[TVbitch]

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a case where the suspect's own daughter, "friends", multiple other family members, and jailhouse snitch all proactively aided cops and turned over evidence on this guy. They must all be frightened of that asshole. Only a sociopathic narcissist could sit down with Lesley Stahl and tell her with a straight face that his terrified ex-girlfriend ASKED HIM to follow her to the home of her new guy. 

[pdlinda]

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Only a sociopathic narcissist could sit down with Lesley Stahl and tell her with a straight face that his terrified ex-girlfriend ASKED HIM to follow her to the home of her new guy. 

It was Erin Moriarty who interviewed the creep...AND I watched his eyes as he was lying through his teeth when she interviewed him in jail and he never blinked once! 

He is a real "piece of work"...too bad, with all her training in self-defense she was unable to save her own life.  She knew he was trouble and even though she cancelled him on social media, I was very surprised she didn't take more active steps to distance herself from him.

[12catcrazy]

It was pretty amazing to watch the guy being interviewed and deny, deny, deny, that he killed his ex-girlfriend and not even blink.  It's amazing that the other victim lived, but with terrible impairments.  He at least found love - I hope that the killer rots in jail the rest of his life.  

[badgerwoman]

On 11/7/2024 at 3:07 PM, 12catcrazy said:

It was pretty amazing to watch the guy being interviewed and deny, deny, deny, that he killed his ex-girlfriend and not even blink.  It's amazing that the other victim lived, but with terrible impairments.  He at least found love - I hope that the killer rots in jail the rest of his life.  

Me too.  And it was very telling his relatives helped the police.

Stalking stories are scary.  Many, many years ago when I was still in college, I knew two young women being stalked.   One moved 2000 miles away (I knew her stalker, too) and the guy eventually stopped the stalking.  they were both high school classmates with me but the stalking started when they were both freshman.  I heard at the time his parents forced him into therapy.  

the other  case was a dormmate.  the campus police were not much help, but everyone in the dorm was concerned enough we set up a rotation to make sure she could walk around campus with a couple of people at all times.  She eventually left  and went far away, too.  I've always wondered what happened in the end.  She didn't tell us where she was going.  It was all extremely frightening for all of us.  the positive is we lived in a very secure dorm and no one was letting him in if he asked.

 

[TVbitch]

Sickening episode. Holly did NOT look very happy to be going to prison, and I could not help but enjoy that mug shot without her tik tok beauty filters. Before Andrew's mom gets too excited about her son being a wonderful person with good character who just had a little "moment" of murder cuz he got manipulated by a hot chick, she needs to remember that he r son was stalking, tracking, harassing with lawsuits, and trying to financially ruin his poor ex before he even met Holly. 

[badgerwoman]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

Sickening episode. Holly did NOT look very happy to be going to prison, and I could not help but enjoy that mug shot without her tik tok beauty filters. Before Andrew's mom gets too excited about her son being a wonderful person with good character who just had a little "moment" of murder cuz he got manipulated by a hot chick, she needs to remember that he r son was stalking, tracking, harassing with lawsuits, and trying to financially ruin his poor ex before he even met Holly. 

Yep.  the guy was scummy.  Good Character people don't decide to murder someone because their boy or girl friend think they should.

[Annber03]

2 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Before Andrew's mom gets too excited about her son being a wonderful person with good character who just had a little "moment" of murder cuz he got manipulated by a hot chick, she needs to remember that he r son was stalking, tracking, harassing with lawsuits, and trying to financially ruin his poor ex before he even met Holly. 

Mmhm. I do appreciate that she did ultimately acknowledge her son did murder his girlfriend, and I can understnad struggling to accept that your child could commit such a heinous crime in and of itself, but...yeah. I do think she's still ddefinitely got some blinders on when it comes to him.

But god, yeah, what a horrifying story. The description of how Alyssa died...dear god. Just absolutely awful. The fact that nobody came outside to help her at first because they thought it was an active shooter situation just makes it that much more heartbreaking. Andrew and Holly are right where they deserve to be. 

Poor little Willow, too. I just want to give her a hug. 

Edited November 17 by Annber03