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They have that new Little House channel on Amazon Prime. I keep hoping I’ll hit the jackpot and get “Laura Pushes Nellie Down A Hill In A Wheelchair” but always end up with something like “Caroline Goes To A Depressing Camp And Swaps Babies.”

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13 hours ago, Superclam said:

The one where Harriet is judging Rev. Oleson for having a romance and the head priest is Patty Duke's father and he used to go out with Harriet? That one's ok. I've only seen it a few times. 

As opposed to "Laura goes up the mountain with Ernest Borgnine" which is on right now, and I've seen 300 times. 

Harriet reuniting with lost love Russell is the only part I like from the Rev gets hitched episode. Seeing Harriet so flustered and tender with him and KM was so good in that moment where, leaving church with her family, she locks eyes with Russell. But I couldn't be invested in Rev getting married when I knew good and well the new Mrs. Alden was destined to be tertiary. And, except for a mention in the women's rights episode, she was.

I hate pretty much everything about this two-parter. Pa ignoring Laura because he has A SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laura refusing to pray for ailing Baby Freddie. Baby Freddie's death and Caroline choosing to wait outside during her baby's last moments. Laura wanting to die so Freddie can come back to life. Yet another creepy, old man, even if it was Ernest Borgnine, taking care of Half-Pint. The cross that just happens to float down to where Pa and Edwards are watering their horses. Yet when Pa and Laura reunite with Pa shedding the manliest of tears still gets me every time. 

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50 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Caroline choosing to wait outside during her baby's last moments.

Pa gets so sanctimonious when he starts spouting the Lord's Prayer. Same thing in "Blizzard" where he gets all bible-y. 

50 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Yet another creepy, old man, even if it was Ernest Borgnine, taking care of Half-Pint.

Another thing they would not be doing today. But ML liked that "mysterious, disappearing old man" plot point. 

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16 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't think I've ever seen this episode. I intentionally skipped the ones with the brother who dies. I didn't realize there was another subplot about Harriet in it. 

No, we're talking about 2 different episodes. I think the Laura on the Mountain one is an all-time classic, but I could see it being a bit hard to take. 

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3 minutes ago, Superclam said:

No, we're talking about 2 different episodes. I think the Laura on the Mountain one is an all-time classic, but I could see it being a bit hard to take. 

Oh okay thank you! Yeah when I was watching the show, my family had suffered a sudden loss. Not of an infant, but I just couldn't handle watching 2 episodes that were all about grieving. I still don't remember Harriet's former beau. I do remember Nels's over-the-top Irish girlfriend. LOL 

Oh duh I just saw the note it was the same episode where Alden gets hitched. I do remember that! Harriet is one of my favorite characters, so it's hilarious I apparently slept on her subplot in that episode. LOL

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6 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Harriet reuniting with lost love Russell is the only part I like from the Rev gets hitched episode. Seeing Harriet so flustered and tender with him and KM was so good in that moment where, leaving church with her family, she locks eyes with Russell. But I couldn't be invested in Rev getting married when I knew good and well the new Mrs. Alden was destined to be tertiary. And, except for a mention in the women's rights episode, she was.

I hate pretty much everything about this two-parter. Pa ignoring Laura because he has A SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Laura refusing to pray for ailing Baby Freddie. Baby Freddie's death and Caroline choosing to wait outside during her baby's last moments. Laura wanting to die so Freddie can come back to life. Yet another creepy, old man, even if it was Ernest Borgnine, taking care of Half-Pint. The cross that just happens to float down to where Pa and Edwards are watering their horses. Yet when Pa and Laura reunite with Pa shedding the manliest of tears still gets me every time. 

Laura was devasted by the death of her brother in real life so I hate this episode. She didn't include it in the Little House books I learned this by reading her biography;

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On 9/2/2023 at 9:24 AM, Blergh said:

Tragic that she'd had to have dealt with a brain tumor at the end of her life and her son seems to need monies to make up for the end of life expenses.

On a lighter note, I didn't know that she'd been born Betty Sandoff. OK, I can see why she might not have thought that her original name wouldn't have set the performing world on fire. However, I wonder why she  opted to call herself Hersha Parady and did she prefer her loved ones to call her Hersha over Betty? IMO, her full stage name didn't seem to have been much if any improvement . Yet, she always seemed far more intelligent and fun than her iconic LHOTP counterpart in post show interviews!

All the above said, RIP, Miss Parady/Sandoff.

It was the 60s/70s?  I mean look at Karen Grassle. Her previous stage name was Gabriel Tree till Michael Landon told her to change it 

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(charles walks in a bank)

Charles: Id like ot withdraw 100.00

bankeR: do you have an account

charles: no

bankeR: well sir we cant just gibve you 100.00 form any account

Charles: DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM, IM CHARLES INGALLS, DOESNT MY NAME MEAN ANYTHING!

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9 hours ago, Superclam said:

I don't agree with everything ML did, but he got this one right. 

I agree  re Miss Grassle performing under her actual birth name instead of the other one.

I know it was her call and choice but, 60's/70's notwithstanding, I don't see why Hersha Parady would have  thought her new stage name was much if any improvement over her birth name of Betty Sandoff.  At least the name change wasn't regressive  like the late Ann Sothern (1909-2001) who'd been born Harriette Lake!

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Yes some names are better changed.lol  Katherine and Karen both loved the stage and  that bonded them initially.

I loved her character, Harriet, and wished Michael did more where she wasn't so mean but showed her good side but she did have those. She also never hesitated to help when someone was in need and stuck up for women and was a strong force for that time. Karen had some chances to shine but she poured way too much coffee and probably felt envious at times of Katherine's meatier scripts.

My older sister rarely watches but when someone brought it up at lunch, she was like "I will never forget the "Make her a widow!!" episode. I laughed so hard. " That is one of my favs too.

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On 9/12/2023 at 4:56 AM, debraran said:

Yes some names are better changed.lol  Katherine and Karen both loved the stage and  that bonded them initially.

I loved her character, Harriet, and wished Michael did more where she wasn't so mean but showed her good side but she did have those. She also never hesitated to help when someone was in need and stuck up for women and was a strong force for that time. Karen had some chances to shine but she poured way too much coffee and probably felt envious at times of Katherine's meatier scripts.

My older sister rarely watches but when someone brought it up at lunch, she was like "I will never forget the "Make her a widow!!" episode. I laughed so hard. " That is one of my favs too.

I agree!

 I guess this is a good a time as any to speculate about whether Miss MacGregor would have had as long a career (much less nabbed the role of Harriet) had she kept her original name of. .Dorlee Deane McGregor!

It should be noted that, before LHOTP, she went back and forth using  her nickname of Scottie along with her acquired first name of Katherine for the billing. However, I kind of think it's worth noting that squeezing in that 'a' in the 'Mc' part of her surname not only vocalized the vowel but also implied a more Scottish background instead of a Scots-Irish (or Northern Irish) one which is the usual regional derivations for that surname.  I don't know whether she did that deliberately. However, it's interesting that even though she became a Hindu long before LHOTP, she doesn't appear to have considered changing her name to reflect her newer faith the way Barbara Hershey (born Barbara Herzstein) did for a time in the 1970's when she went by Barbara Seagull.

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8 hours ago, debraran said:

I didn't realize (or forgot) she struggled with alcohol. I'm glad she found the right thing to help her with it.

I wish others on the set did too.

https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2018/11/katherine_macgregor_dead_little_house_on_the_prairie.html

 

I wonder if Miss MacGregor might have been the co-star Charlotte Stewart begged to keep secret their being in recovery from alcoholism from ML due to not wanting him to attempt to make them a laughingstock  on the set for  being in said recovery?

I thought that was one of the worst examples of his offcamera shadowside (and ironic since he played CI as a zealous teetotaler ).

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8 hours ago, Blergh said:

I wonder if Miss MacGregor might have been the co-star Charlotte Stewart begged to keep secret their being in recovery from alcoholism from ML due to not wanting him to attempt to make them a laughingstock  on the set for  being in said recovery?

I thought that was one of the worst examples of his offcamera shadowside (and ironic since he played CI as a zealous teetotaler ).

Yes, the fact even the kids caught on the "coffee" wasn't coffee, made me wonder how bad it was on set to need that crutch. But alcoholism doesn't need stress, it's just an excuse at times. I can see one of his practical jokes being something along the lines with "fake" alcohol like the KKK with Moses Gunn. Not everyone appreciates the laugh but back then, you usually went along.

Karen bravely hit her "bottom" although not awful and gave up liquor too. The women were strong on that show in many ways. https://people.com/tv/little-house-on-the-prairie-karen-grassle-on-her-sobriety-tension-with-michael-landon

I remember Alison talking about "4 fingers of Wild Turkey" that Mike would have with room for coffee and although not funny, I laughed because Ma did need to give Pa a lot of coffee. : )

 

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One of the more unsung performers of the show IMO had to be Richard Bull (1924-2014) who played Harriet's tamer half Nels.  He was married to Barbara Collentine (1924-2022) but they had no children of their own. However, it seems he valued Jonathan Gilbert and, especially in the last years, appeared to relate to him as a father! Interestingly, AA and MG both have said that he was the one most like his character offstage- usually kind but with a limit to his patience!  I think it was telling that he admitted telling Miss MacGregor that she could do what she wanted but not tell HIM how to act which I respect because he'd had a very lengthy and steady career before and after LHOTP.

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On 9/12/2023 at 5:56 AM, debraran said:

My older sister rarely watches but when someone brought it up at lunch, she was like "I will never forget the "Make her a widow!!" episode. I laughed so hard. " That is one of my favs too.

Agreed. One of my favourite lines.  

I always liked seeing the other side of Harriet as well. The backstory with the Reverend who came because she was complaining about Reverend Alden's relationship was really interesting and wish we got more. 

22 hours ago, debraran said:

I didn't realize (or forgot) she struggled with alcohol. I'm glad she found the right thing to help her with it.

I wish others on the set did too.

https://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/2018/11/katherine_macgregor_dead_little_house_on_the_prairie.html

 

Booze was flowing on the set faster than water. Super shocked that none of the kids didn't drink while they were working.

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6 minutes ago, greekmom said:

Agreed. One of my favourite lines.  

I always liked seeing the other side of Harriet as well. The backstory with the Reverend who came because she was complaining about Reverend Alden's relationship was really interesting and wish we got more. 

Booze was flowing on the set faster than water. Super shocked that none of the kids didn't drink while they were working.

I think the kids (especially MG and AA) had had it drilled in their heads that they had to be letter-perfect re their lines from Day One and they didn't think they could pull that off if they were on the sauce. However, considering how MG would later admit a lengthy substance abuse battle, it's possible that she may have started drinking offcamera by the time the show wrapped.

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Yes, I agree, re Richard Bull. I loved him. He was a second dad to Jon and even his only male mentor? He gave raves along with Katherine for his maturity, intelligence and fast learning. He said he was the smartest kid on the set. He also said he was ignored by his mom who rotated around Melissa and it was sad. I wish he stayed in touch with him. He might have for a while.

I loved Katherine's back story and how it effected her with her daughter although Nellie didn't need a restaurant for a beau. One semester in college in the city, she'd meet someone. But less funny. ; )

When Nels came back from his rendezvous with Mollie and selling things, I also loved how they took a walk at night and appreciated each other and I saw a glimpse of what they were like many years before. I agreed with Katherine in pushing her to be multi-faceted, hardly anyone is that mean and Nel's saw something nice years ago.

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@Debranran,

I'm a bit confused by your latest post. When you said you loved Miss MacGregor's back story and how ' it affected her with her daughter', I take it you mean how Miss MacGregor's real life back story affected how she portrayed Harriet as she related with her character's daughter Nellie- insasmuch as Miss MacGregor hahad no children despite having had two brief marriages. Yes, I agree that it was interesting to have found out that Harriet herself had had 'a small mercantile' when she'd met Nels who'd been [naturally]'smitten with' her but her having the enterprise 'helped make the marriage happen'. Nellie (and Harriet) were REALLY lucky Nellie got Percival who insisted on himself and Nellie running the hotel as a team instead of bossing Nellie and taking advantage of legally owning the hotel entirely in his own name upon the marriage!

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I'm sorry, should have read it over to make it clearer but I meant her character and I shifted from the real person of Richard Bull. I realize she didn't have children.

Yes Percival was funny and if they wanted, as I alluded too, to send Nellie to a women's college or teaching school, she'd be fine and probably find the one guy who isn't well off and fall in love but she did fine in WG. I wish they had them on more. The restaurant gift from someone who didn't cook and her mom didn't cook just seemed silly to me. My mom cooked but if she did that to me, they better like 3 meals and be happy. lol

I read many times by Allison if wasn't 100% her choice to go, they wanted everyone to keep same pay all the years it was on. “The network refused all requests from my agent for raises, extra episodes, or any type of concession he suggested, no matter how small,” she recalled. “Their offer was four years, same money, same conditions – take it or leave it.”

I'd leave it too but sad the repercussion was a quick goodbye, Nancy and one return with a very bad wig. : (

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I agree! It would have been MUCH better had the show focused on the Olesons and Daltons/Cohens with their growing family instead of Laura treated Zaldamo like a log bump - not unlike Pa wound up treating Ma in the last years!

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On 3/26/2023 at 12:57 PM, Blergh said:

I believe at the time, he was mad at NBC for cancelling LHOTP in the middle of the season and wanted to punish them via preventing the usage of the sets for any of their future productions.

However, it wasn't too much later that he put Highway to Heaven on the same network!

Does this mean that when Highway to Heaven shot, every set was new or on location since Michael Landon didn't believe in re-using sets? I seriously do wonder.

At the very least, the costumes survived. Supposedly when they were getting ready to film Dr. Quinn, they looked into the archives but allegedly the costumer said, "Get this 70's polyester crap out of here! Jane Seymour isn't going to wear this!" lol

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On 9/19/2023 at 11:14 PM, methodwriter85 said:

Does this mean that when Highway to Heaven shot, every set was new or on location since Michael Landon didn't believe in re-using sets? I seriously do wonder.

At the very least, the costumes survived. Supposedly when they were getting ready to film Dr. Quinn, they looked into the archives but allegedly the costumer said, "Get this 70's polyester crap out of here! Jane Seymour isn't going to wear this!" lol

Since not only ML himself but also Victor French starred in it- and Richard Bull as well as Moses Gunn guested on it, I guess it has enough LHOTP alums check it out. Anyway, as per wiki, it seems that HtH mostly shot on location with only a few indoor sets but I'm not sure how many (besides Jonathan's car) were permanent ones. As per AA, they didn't wear '70's polyester' on LHOTP but  actual woolen clothes which she said would quickly become quite rank- despite the fact that the cast bathed daily (unlike 'Saturday night baths were a luxury' for pioneers)!

Of course, Charlotte Stewart admitted that she herself went commando beneath Miss Beadle's skirts which only the most destitute of women would do back then.

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1 hour ago, Blergh said:

actual woolen clothes which she said would quickly become quite rank

The Downton Abbey cast has also commented that their costumes, many of which were not reproductions and were clothes from the time period, smelled pretty bad too. 

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On 9/21/2023 at 10:07 PM, Zella said:

The Downton Abbey cast has also commented that their costumes, many of which were not reproductions and were clothes from the time period, smelled pretty bad too. 

And keep in mind that their characters' RL counterparts lived rather sedate lives of constantly going to banquets, teas and the occasional ballroom dance compared to the RL Ingalls who'd have literally earned every morsel of food by sweat! Also, the wealthier (or with access to more funds) a woman was, the more times she'd have had her entire outfit changed on a DAILY basis whereas servants and pioneers would wear the very same clothes (and underwear) day-in/day-out sometimes for weeks and months AND the laboring classes sweated far more yet had far less access to bathing than their wealthy counterparts!

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4 hours ago, Blergh said:

And keep in mind that their characters' RL counterparts lived rather sedate lives of constantly going to banquets, teas and the occasional ballroom dance compared to the RL Ingalls who'd have literally earned every morsel of food by sweat! Also, the wealthier (or with access to more funds) a woman was, the more times she'd have had her entire outfit changed on a DAILY basis whereas servants and pioneers would wear the very same clothes (and underwear) day-in/day-out sometimes for weeks and months AND the laboring classes sweated far more yet had far less access to bathing than their wealthy counterparts!

So true...LHOP was as Karen put it, a "sanitized" pioneer show where even the hands and nails had to be shown neat and clean and everyone smelled nice most of the time and changed clothes etc. When people would say "I wish I lived with them, she knew they meant "on the set" and not back then. One day of freezing cold temps, bathroom out of the house, no way to really wash your clothes adequately and just the drudgery of everything taking so much longer, they'd grow disenchanted. Now I'd love to visit the Ingall's where breakfast is done at sunrise, coffee always on and no one but Carrie ever used the outhouse. You can be be literally buried in snow and be fine. : )

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1 hour ago, debraran said:

So true...LHOP was as Karen put it, a "sanitized" pioneer show where even the hands and nails had to be shown neat and clean and everyone smelled nice most of the time and changed clothes etc. When people would say "I wish I lived with them, she knew they meant "on the set" and not back then. One day of freezing cold temps, bathroom out of the house, no way to really wash your clothes adequately and just the drudgery of everything taking so much longer, they'd grow disenchanted. Now I'd love to visit the Ingall's where breakfast is done at sunrise, coffee always on and no one but Carrie ever used the outhouse. You can be be literally buried in snow and be fine. : )

It wasn't the only series that sanitized things. Even when The Waltons was at its grittiest trying to show the struggles of a large family working together to survive the Depression, while John, Grandpa and the kids were depicted as sweaty, dirty and even in patched clothes, neither Olivia or Grandma were ever seen so much with a hair out of place or with a smudged apron despite the two women having to constantly  feed, clothe and clean  their household of eleven!

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2 hours ago, Blergh said:

It wasn't the only series that sanitized things. Even when The Waltons was at its grittiest trying to show the struggles of a large family working together to survive the Depression, while John, Grandpa and the kids were depicted as sweaty, dirty and even in patched clothes, neither Olivia or Grandma were ever seen so much with a hair out of place or with a smudged apron despite the two women having to constantly  feed, clothe and clean  their household of eleven!

True, re the guys, I appreciated how authentic and grubby they were and the kids were normal to me, disheveled at times, clothes not perfect in fit, hand-me-downs, hair looked cut at home. : )  Going to church was the fancier outfits.

I would have my hair falling out of bun, sweating in the heat, cuticles cracked, wrinkles etched in face from trying to feed so many and sew their clothes! I did appreciate from what I could remember, they showed actual cooking at times and the food was good. The actress who played Mary Ellen did a video on the dinner scenes. Their stove did work but they brought in some of course.

I realize with all the talk of outhouses once on forum, no one did go to the bathroom at all. No child but Carrie,not Charles and Caroline, no diapers changed. I guess bodily functions unless vomited narcotics were not "family friendly". ; )

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Cozi TV played the pilot episode yesterday and Harvest of Friends was on today.

Every single time I see this episode I think why were there like 20 guys hanging around town, all ready to help when the "wee ones" were not up to the task? Didn't they have farms to work or something? For all those referred to men working at the sawmill, we almost never saw anyone besides Hanson, Charles and Charles's BFF of whatever season.

 

 

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19 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Every single time I see this episode I think why were there like 20 guys hanging around town, all ready to help when the "wee ones" were not up to the task? Didn't they have farms to work or something?

While I always wonder why they were just standing around watching UNTIL the "wee ones" tried to help.  I mean, really, who stands there watching an obviously not well man try to stack things as entertainment?  I mean, they were under no obligation to help, but at least walk off like you have something better to do.

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6 hours ago, Katy M said:

While I always wonder why they were just standing around watching UNTIL the "wee ones" tried to help.  I mean, really, who stands there watching an obviously not well man try to stack things as entertainment?  I mean, they were under no obligation to help, but at least walk off like you have something better to do.

Yes, I know Mike wanted effect by pausing it, but who would watch little kids lifting heavy bags...I was expecting Charles to start yelling, "Did everyone lose their muscle?| I can't afford to have halfpint pull a muscle or get hurt". It was so nasty for an established merchant in WG to do that. Didn't he read the bylaws??

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On 10/4/2023 at 4:43 PM, debraran said:

Yes, I know Mike wanted effect by pausing it, but who would watch little kids lifting heavy bags...I was expecting Charles to start yelling, "Did everyone lose their muscle?| I can't afford to have halfpint pull a muscle or get hurt". It was so nasty for an established merchant in WG to do that. Didn't he read the bylaws??

I suppose the idea was that seeing the small girls struggle to carry their father's load was more shame-inducing for the grown men than just watching the kite-injured grown man stranger hauling the heavy sacks  solo. Then,too, that grain merchant (Liam O'Neil played by Ramon Bieri) seemed to have amscrayed out of WG almost immediately after that episode so I guess he was  run out of town for attempting to insist Charles actually fulfill the contract he'd agreed to.

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6 hours ago, Blergh said:

I suppose the idea was that seeing the small girls struggle to carry their father's load was more shame-inducing for the grown men than just watching the kite-injured grown man stranger carrying them solo. Then,too, that grain merchant (Liam O'Neil played by Ramon Bieri) seemed to have amscrayed out of WG almost immediately after that episode so I guess he was  run out of town for attempting to insist Charles actually fulfill the contract he'd agreed to.

Well, it's hard to conduct business with Charles "cash on the barrel" unless he wanted something, Ingall's .  : )

That was my only real pet peeve with the show, they never had Charles have a good year while others in WG seemed fine (except when they all moved) Jonathan was even getting a telephone for a bit. lol They didn't pay mortgage, electricity, cable, doctor bills were minimal unless someone got kicked in the gut by horse. They didn't need to be rich but just show them having something for all the work he did. Laura never struggled like that, Mary and Adam seemed okay, poor Caroline, had to have rumors of infidelity to get some nice but used dishes, that she never used. lol I always said she sold them to get something else. 

Charles was so talented, he farmed well (thats maybe questionable) did mill work, he could make things, craft furniture, do woodwork, do high risk jobs etc. Make some extra money. |Caroline had to work at home, clean, sew, make meals, tend her garden, wash clothes and then work in a restaurant and take care of so many kids you brought home...she deserves the medal.

 

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I remember y'all talking about that episode before I got to it. And all the snark I'd read still didn't adequately prepare me for when I first saw it. I was thinking "Surely it couldn't be as ridiculous as they're letting on." I was wrong, you were all right, and it was. 😂😂😂😂

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Yet, I'm sure that future pioneers/archeologists who'd have come across this structure would have most likely considered it a failed chimney and wondered why the builder would have opted to put a wooden lightning rod instead of a metal one atop it. That is if it didn't just crumble into a pile of rubble after the first big storm came through.

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I watched that episode once, but I cannot watch it again.  It is just too ridiculous even for Little House.  Seeing the pictures and reading the comments helps me to realize I'm not missing anything by not watching it.  

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It is completely over the top, but I'll watch it. I'll take it over any Nancy, Carters or Shannen Doherty episode. The first part is ok as a TV revenge Western episode. The second half has been discussed here over and over, but I'm still up to make fun of it at any time. 

If you want to talk over the top, I'm watching Albert kick morFEEN right now. 

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7 minutes ago, Superclam said:

Now we have "Laura's Baby Dies" followed by a Carter episode, followed by "For the Love of Blanche."

Someone telling me it's time to stop watching TV? 

Nothing To See Here GIF by Giphy QA

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2 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:

Re: the men in town for not helping Charles. Who are we to judge the mores of the 19th century, while we sit in our BarcaLoungers eating spicy curly fries?

Well, they'd have had straight fried potato wedges with just salt and eaten them at their dinner tables instead of their lounge chairs- but they'd have been more ready to hoist a sack of grain than modern TV viewers.

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I remember in the books the kids loving the pigs tail. I guess like our bacon, which sounded good. I don't think it was ever in the show. Or the pig’s bladder can be blown up to make a nice balloon. They had mainly turkey roasts. I pretty much gave up pork, once in a while but it did look good.

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