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jason88cubs
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Walnut Grove was  a nice quiet town, a town with happiness, a friendly town, with a wave and a smile. No tornadoes, no plagues, hardly any sickness. The one day it all changed. A creepy feeling crawle

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WKRP creator Hugh Wilson spoke of his frustration at trying to beat Little House in the ratings. “Every time we gain on 'em, they set a house on fire or blind another child.”

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We are still a family even though we are now just a thread. Just imagine us as now being Pa's two room shanty which he never bothered expanding, despite Grace, Albert, James, Cassandra etc...

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Snow Apple

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I found the movie disappointing. The land development story bored me. That's what bugged me the most. It was boring.

I even liked the movie about Albert's illness better because it was about family and people. I never liked the stories about business deals and evil city slickers.

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jason88cubs

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4 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

I found the movie disappointing. The land development story bored me. That's what bugged me the most. It was boring.

I even liked the movie about Albert's illness better because it was about family and people. I never liked the stories about business deals and evil city slickers.

I can see where your coming from. I don't know, I was hooked in.

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debraran

debraran

9 hours ago, jason88cubs said:

The ANgry Heart is such a dark episode.

 

The guy beating his grandpa

 

Just ugh Hard to watch/imagine

It shows that for some, violence begets violence. He was abused and he did the same. I think the "love" people try to put on parents like that sometimes really doesn't exist. If your parent never treated you with love, never did anything but berate and abuse you, you don't have to pretend to "love" them. Wishing they were different is one thing, but realizing you aren't them is more important.

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Mr. Sparkle

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I just watched part of "The Hunters" which is one I've never heard of, or seen discussed here, to the best of my knowledge. Charles gets shot while out hunting with Laura and and old blind man has to help her find Mr. Edwards. Not a bad episode. I think it was originally a two-part episode. 

Now I'm watching "Blizzard," which I've probably seen 20 times. In hindsight, you could totally tell that nice guy from the beginning was going to die by the end. 

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Katy M

Katy M

12 minutes ago, Superclam said:

I just watched part of "The Hunters" which is one I've never heard of, or seen discussed here, to the best of my knowledge. Charles gets shot while out hunting with Laura and and old blind man has to help her find Mr. Edwards. Not a bad episode. I think it was originally a two-part episode. 

I vaguely remember that. he shot himself, right?

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BigBingerBro

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25 minutes ago, Katy M said:

I vaguely remember that. he shot himself, right?

I think Mr Edwards is depressed and wants to commit suicide, but Charles fakes a gun accident to convince Edwards that he's needed.  Unless that's a different one....

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Mr. Sparkle

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5 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

I think Mr Edwards is depressed and wants to commit suicide, but Charles fakes a gun accident to convince Edwards that he's needed.  Unless that's a different one....

No, that's a different one. Later, if I'm not mistaken. In this one, Laura knocks the loaded gun over and it hits Charles. I didn't realize Burl Ives plays the blind man. 

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Katy M

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12 minutes ago, Superclam said:

No, that's a different one. Later, if I'm not mistaken. In this one, Laura knocks the loaded gun over and it hits Charles. I didn't realize Burl Ives plays the blind man. 

Well, I knew somebody knocked the gun over. For some reason I had remembered it as being Charles.  

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jason88cubs

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59 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Well, I knew somebody knocked the gun over. For some reason I had remembered it as being Charles.  

Charles knocking the gun over so he can get shot?

 

 

 

I could see it

 

A reason for him to take his shirt off

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debraran

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I loved Plum Creek episode but the first one is my favorite. I loved the cups, the potatoes and the mittens . In Plum Creek I like how Mom and Mary both make the same shirt (small store inventory) : )  I like how Carrie got a toy and Ma got her stove but giving Bunny away to Nellie...not so much. If it was anyone but her. Sure she wasn't Nancy but a spoiled girl who probably didn't appreciate gifts and thought she deserved Bunny and the horse she got later. And you just knew Laura would get it back, the writers knew it was her horse and plots were in the works for many more stories. That saddle would get used.  Charles face when Caroline says Laura's name and Nel's comes for the horse also was touching but bothered me. You can give away a book or item parents bought you but a living creature without asking? I don't know how much Charles paid for it, but really Nel's should have said something. A grown man doesn't bargain with a 6 year old over a horse.

 

 

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jird

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4 hours ago, debraran said:

You can give away a book or item parents bought you but a living creature without asking? I don't know how much Charles paid for it, but really Nel's should have said something. A grown man doesn't bargain with a 6 year old over a horse.

 

 

I would normally agree with this, but they made a point earlier in the episode of having Charles say in front of Nels that it was Laura's horse and it was up to her to decide whether to sell or not. (Was Bunny a male in this episode? I seem to recall that in some episodes they referred to Bunny as him, and in others as her.)

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Katy M

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4 hours ago, debraran said:

don't know how much Charles paid for it, but really Nel's should have said something. A grown man doesn't bargain with a 6 year old over a horse.

Nels was a fair and honest man.  If the trade hadn't been more or less even (or maybe even in Laura's favor) he either wouldn't have made it, or would have offered her the difference in cash.  If when he had shown up with the stove Charles had asked him to take cash instead, I'm equally sure that he would have done that. Charles let Laura live with the consequence of her decision because that's the only way she'll learn.  Plus, she sacrificed something of hers for someone else in the family, and that's not a bad thing (although giving a living creature to Nellie to torture is).

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Katy M

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19 minutes ago, jason88cubs said:

Was it Christmas Eve or Christmas day Nels went and got Bunny? He delivered the stove on Christmas Eve and got Bunny Christmas morning right?

I thought he did it the same time.

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BigBingerBro

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I always felt that Nels should have tipped off Charles about Laura's secret plan.  They could have then worked something out so that Laura could keep Bunny.  Nels spoiling Nellie is so hard to imagine considering how much more strict he got with the Olsen kids later in the series.

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CountryGirl

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Nels delivered the stove on Christmas Eve with Caroline not able to sleep for wondering what was in the box. He came to collect Bunny on Christmas morning. 

I still think it wasn’t right for Nels to trade with Laura. She’s a child and not old enough to fully understand the consequences. It’s why minors cannot make contracts. Also, he knew Charles was doing the work with the wheels and the payment owed would be the amount of the stove + a little extra. In other words, he traded with Laura to give his spoiled brat a horse she’d go on to mistreat and abuse. 

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debraran

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2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Nels delivered the stove on Christmas Eve with Caroline not able to sleep for wondering what was in the box. He came to collect Bunny on Christmas morning. 

I still think it wasn’t right for Nels to trade with Laura. She’s a child and not old enough to fully understand the consequences. It’s why minors cannot make contracts. Also, he knew Charles was doing the work with the wheels and the payment owed would be the amount of the stove + a little extra. In other words, he traded with Laura to give his spoiled brat a horse she’d go on to mistreat and abuse. 

I agree, way too big of a gift for her mother and although well meaning, lying to Charles and just negotiating with a little girl, a bit odd. Yes Nel's was fair but could you see if everyone did that? If I was her mom, I would have thanked her profusely but told her no animal can be sold without parental knowledge. They said that earlier to cover the improbability of it later. Remember when Laura threatened to give a puppy to her and her mom knew she wouldn't? But she gave her Bunny? And lastly Nels could buy Nellie any horse as they did with the race episode. She only wanted Bunny because Laura had it and she never had anything.

So like I said, for me, I liked the first show for Christmas the best but Plum Creek sure had its moments. The one they couldn't forget was sad in parts, I don't like seeing fake slavery with the nice owner who gave Hester Sue a spare doll. Almonzo's was funny but also a little sad. Caroline's was the best.

 

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9 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Was the blizzard before or after the Christmas episode?  She definitely should have been wearing it that day!

I don't think we ever see it hanging up or on her. It wasn't that attractive, I kept thinking how my dog would have ran off with it. ; )  (No disrespect to the time it takes to make a fur wrap)

They show shirts like Charle's plaid one made by Caroline and Mary and I think Caroline wore the pretty white blouse one more time from Handyman. Any other things, especially toys or books or hats or coats , glass plates, are not shown when not worn. Little house and it would look cluttered.

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debraran

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I watched the Johnny Cash episode in a carb daze but really like it. The one with the dynamite was ending and the only thing I heard on that episode I forgot was insurance policy was 5000 that was taken out by guys who decided to do it. That was a LOT of money back then and I wonder if it would have been paid. From what I've read By 1800, the minimum lot was halved to 320 acres, and settlers were allowed to pay in 4 installments, but prices remained fixed at $1.25 an acre until 1854. That year, federal legislation was enacted establishing a graduated scale that adjusted land prices to reflect the desirability of the lot.Homes, food, land, etc was cheap compared to that amount of money.  Charles didn't have worth in dollars of course but that still is a lot of money and his family would not have gone hungry. That sounded like more than the Olesons could dream of and much more than you'd need for land etc.

I loved how Johnny Cash show was more realistic and I could see the con and the change happening since Caleb wasn't an evil man just an opportunist. I loved his scenes with Alicia and the pup and the woman who didn't want to get out of bed. "Well, I never put my stock in the pearly gates. It always sounded like a bunch of froo froo to me" 🙂 I liked how you heard June Carter singing at the end when Mrs Foster was in church.  Mary got on my nerves a little but overall everyone was nice and I think one of the better shows.

 

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alexa

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9 hours ago, debraran said:

I watched the Johnny Cash episode in a carb daze but really like it. The one with the dynamite was ending and the only thing I heard on that episode I forgot was insurance policy was 5000 that was taken out by guys who decided to do it. That was a LOT of money back then and I wonder if it would have been paid. From what I've read By 1800, the minimum lot was halved to 320 acres, and settlers were allowed to pay in 4 installments, but prices remained fixed at $1.25 an acre until 1854. That year, federal legislation was enacted establishing a graduated scale that adjusted land prices to reflect the desirability of the lot.Homes, food, land, etc was cheap compared to that amount of money.  Charles didn't have worth in dollars of course but that still is a lot of money and his family would not have gone hungry. That sounded like more than the Olesons could dream of and much more than you'd need for land etc.

I loved how Johnny Cash show was more realistic and I could see the con and the change happening since Caleb wasn't an evil man just an opportunist. I loved his scenes with Alicia and the pup and the woman who didn't want to get out of bed. "Well, I never put my stock in the pearly gates. It always sounded like a bunch of froo froo to me" 🙂 I liked how you heard June Carter singing at the end when Mrs Foster was in church.  Mary got on my nerves a little but overall everyone was nice and I think one of the better shows.

 

I love that episode!

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ctlady

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On 11/13/2020 at 12:16 PM, jird said:

Today I am watching Back to School, and when Laura yells that she's a woman (a WOMAN!) and she hates all of them

I subjected Mr. Ctlady to watch the end with me so I could quote that dialogue when Laura said it - and he got a good laugh out of it!

Since there was a huge LHoP marathon over the weekend, I caught a couple of faves and ones that sounded interesting that I hadn't seen before.  But the one I had a difficult time viewing again was The Handyman.  It is all kinds of awkward and wrong on so many levels.  Between Christopher trying to infiltrate himself into the family (right down to playing Charles' fiddle after dinner and having the girls call him 'uncle' Chris), to Caroline's blushiness over his compliments to her obviously disappointed face when she realized Charles wasn't jealous of having a good looking carpenter hanging around in his absence.  The entire premise and context bothered me greatly.  The entire scene where they all go to church together, showing up like a family together in the wagon, then with Chris putting Carrie on his shoulders and taking Laura's hand - all in front of the entire town was either absolute naivete on Caroline's part or she knew what she was doing and wanted to generate gossip to get back to Charles.  I just don't know, but I will never ever watch that episode again

 

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debraran

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4 hours ago, ctlady said:

I subjected Mr. Ctlady to watch the end with me so I could quote that dialogue when Laura said it - and he got a good laugh out of it!

Since there was a huge LHoP marathon over the weekend, I caught a couple of faves and ones that sounded interesting that I hadn't seen before.  But the one I had a difficult time viewing again was The Handyman.  It is all kinds of awkward and wrong on so many levels.  Between Christopher trying to infiltrate himself into the family (right down to playing Charles' fiddle after dinner and having the girls call him 'uncle' Chris), to Caroline's blushiness over his compliments to her obviously disappointed face when she realized Charles wasn't jealous of having a good looking carpenter hanging around in his absence.  The entire premise and context bothered me greatly.  The entire scene where they all go to church together, showing up like a family together in the wagon, then with Chris putting Carrie on his shoulders and taking Laura's hand - all in front of the entire town was either absolute naivete on Caroline's part or she knew what she was doing and wanted to generate gossip to get back to Charles.  I just don't know, but I will never ever watch that episode again

 

I think it's just how you look at it and that's personal. Karen said she loved that episode because you saw Caroline as a woman and you can enjoy compliments and not be "bad" and having someone see you as a woman still and not just a "Ma" is nice sometimes. Caroline would never cheat or do something wrong. Going to church was a good thing to do I felt because he did it for them and she wasn't ashamed. If he had been old or overweight or whatever, no one would say anything. He happened to be cute and very handy and did things Charles didn't have time for. Maybe it inspired him to look for someone he could settle down with.

I noticed when Charles flirted with the lady with the horses, complimenting her hands and spending time with her and kids or even the widow withe the dishes, no one comments on it. Even when Mary didn't like the widow (and was wrong) she didn't tell her to leave town or her dad alone. I felt because Caroline was a woman she wasn't allowed to have a compliment or have someone think she was special. I liked how it showed you take each other for granted but like Charles, just laughed at the gossip. People talk, who cares. I had someone say that about someone and myself and it died and my husband knew and laughed too. If you let other busybodies like Harriet dictate how you act and you are honorable, you'll always be unhappy. Everyone knows a Harriet but no one else thought it was odd in town. Not my favorite show because of Mary and her attitude but I wish it ended with Charles meeting him or having him finish the job.

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11 hours ago, Superclam said:

That episode isn't helped by the fact that Gil Gerard is a terrible actor. I can see his appeal, but he's wooden. 

I never saw him often elsewhere but I posted a pic on this site of Michael directing him. I think it wasn't helped that one "hunk" didn't want the other getting too much attention. ; )  "Play it down Gil, no nipple shots, that's my thing". lol He did seem stilted at times but also direction might have been that way.

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Pirpana

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 I posted a pic on this site of Michael directing him

^ Yeah, I remember that pic (on page 14). Although this episode was directed by William F. Claxton but maybe ML said it in the capasity of Executive Producer... 

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debraran

debraran

2 hours ago, Pirpana said:

^ Yeah, I remember that pic (on page 14). Although this episode was directed by William F. Claxton but maybe ML said it in the capasity of Executive Producer... 

And he did look like he was giving him guidance so “ directing without credit” type of thing .  Sure that happened more than once 

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jason88cubs

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The episode where Laura stays the night with Mary at the blind school, and those 3 guys, 1 injured, come to the blind school and hold them hostage. ALways amazes me that Mary didn't yell out "Pa?!" when Charles walked in announcing himself as Doc Baker. Like I felt it would have been a natural recation

 

ALSO, did they ever explain why Doc Baker had borrowed Nels buggy to get to dinner, wherever he was? Didn't Doc Baker have one?

ANyone have a map of Walnut grove? How far was the Ingalls from town? How far was the blind school from Olson's?

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Mr. Sparkle

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I always wondered when they left Winoka and went back to Walnut Grove. I had never seen the episode before. I think they didn't show it in syndication often because it's a full 60 minutes without commercials. 

Anyway, I watched it on Amazon this week and it's a pretty good episode, especially the second part when they get back to WG. By the next episode (Fagin) are all their financial problems temporarily solved? 

Also, how creepy is the scene with that "old" lady, when they pan in on her face and her husband goes "she's only 45 years old." 

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alexa

alexa

10 hours ago, Superclam said:

I always wondered when they left Winoka and went back to Walnut Grove. I had never seen the episode before. I think they didn't show it in syndication often because it's a full 60 minutes without commercials. 

Anyway, I watched it on Amazon this week and it's a pretty good episode, especially the second part when they get back to WG. By the next episode (Fagin) are all their financial problems temporarily solved? 

Also, how creepy is the scene with that "old" lady, when they pan in on her face and her husband goes "she's only 45 years old." 

Yes, I had to go find the episode on Amazon as well during my current series rewatch.  It didn’t air on the channel that is saving to my dvr.  I liked the episode as well...

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alexa

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I am on Season 9, A New Beginning, for my series rewatch.  It is better than I remember it--there are some heartwarming stories in there, and I like seeing more of Laura and Almanzo.  I like the Carter family okay as well, although the wife doesn't always make the best emotional decisions.  She had an episode with her dad where she let him walk all over her, and then on another episode she was all upset because of the time one of the kids was spending with a woman they worked for.  

Other than that most of the episodes have been okay--I even liked the Albert on drugs one okay this round, lol.

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