Station 19 - General Discussion

[readster]

Tell the father she is pregnant? Why do that? I mean, drama, right? Drama!

[KaveDweller]

14 minutes ago, readster said:

Tell the father she is pregnant? Why do that? I mean, drama, right? Drama!

Well if she wants to stay in a relationship with him it wouldn't really be great to be keeping a big secret like that. But it likely will cause drama because I don't see Theo liking the idea of her aborting it. Of course that would just be a retread of an old Grey's storyline. What would be refreshing would be if she told Theo, he was totally supportive, she had the abortion, and then we move on to the next storyline.

What I did appreciate about the episode was that it had Karina talking to Vic about her abortion completely professionally and non-judgy, before going on to talk to Maya about trying to get pregnant. Most TV doctors would get all angst ridden having a patient wanting an abortion while they were trying to have a baby. But Karina actually seemed like a good doctor.

[tennisgurl]

When Vic jumped into the cold water to sink into the ocean, I had horrible Greys flashbacks again, luckily it ended quickly. As annoyed as I am to see even more random people from Grey's who I don't know, even minor characters, I do find the idea of people randomly bringing up the crazy shit that happens on Grey's on this show with no context to be a really funny idea for a running joke. "When we were having our baby the hospital was being held hostage by hackers!" "Wait, what?" 

I also admit that, as annoyed as I am that they keep forcing Grey's characters on us, I have warmed to Karina. I thought she was really good with Vic, giving her all of her options regarding abortions with no judgement, and I like her growing friendship with Jack a lot. They're quite fun together, although I hope he doesn't end up...assisting Maya and Karina in having their baby. That would get way too messy. 

Of course the new captain has a drinking problem. 

[possibilities]

I think Karina is good as a doctor. I realized I really only find her annoying as Maya's boo. They always write their relationship to make both of them look obnoxioius,

[amarante]

21 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Well if she wants to stay in a relationship with him it wouldn't really be great to be keeping a big secret like that. But it likely will cause drama because I don't see Theo liking the idea of her aborting it. Of course that would just be a retread of an old Grey's storyline. What would be refreshing would be if she told Theo, he was totally supportive, she had the abortion, and then we move on to the next storyline.

What I did appreciate about the episode was that it had Karina talking to Vic about her abortion completely professionally and non-judgy, before going on to talk to Maya about trying to get pregnant. Most TV doctors would get all angst ridden having a patient wanting an abortion while they were trying to have a baby. But Karina actually seemed like a good doctor.

I think most tv doctors have this fake angst because standards and practices can't be pro-choice.

I can't remember the last time a leading character actually had an abortion. If they did have one, it was generally in the very very distant past. Yellowstone had a ridiculous storyline where Beth wound up sterilized when she had her abortion because it was standard operating procedure at the clinic where she had it done. 

I will be absolutely shocked if the character actually winds up having the abortion. In real life under the circumstances most women I know would not be undergoing this kind of mental breakdown over having an abortion - not in a relationship where it is rational to introduce the dynamics of a child - in a profession where it is a life altering decision for a woman - and the woman not having any particular fertility issues which would make becoming pregnant problematic at a later time - e.g. the television trope where an infertile woman conceives a "magical" baby which changes the dynamics of why abortion isn't a viable option.

[KaveDweller]

11 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

When Vic jumped into the cold water to sink into the ocean, I had horrible Greys flashbacks again, luckily it ended quickly. As annoyed as I am to see even more random people from Grey's who I don't know, even minor characters, I do find the idea of people randomly bringing up the crazy shit that happens on Grey's on this show with no context to be a really funny idea for a running joke. "When we were having our baby the hospital was being held hostage by hackers!" "Wait, what?" 

That would be funny. 

I don't remember that couple at all, but I do remember when Grey's got held hostage by hackers. I also remember when someone brought in pot cookies and everyone got high. 

2 hours ago, amarante said:

I can't remember the last time a leading character actually had an abortion. If they did have one, it was generally in the very very distant past. Yellowstone had a ridiculous storyline where Beth wound up sterilized when she had her abortion because it was standard operating procedure at the clinic where she had it done. 

Olivia had one on Scandal a few years ago. And Christina had one on Grey's Anatomy. And neither were in the distant past, both had them while they show was on. Maggie on A Million Little Things also had one this season, although her doctors pretty much told her she had to because she was newly in remission from cancer.

[possibilities]

Did any of them do it without angst?

[KaveDweller]

16 hours ago, possibilities said:

Did any of them do it without angst?

Well nothing happens on any of those shows without angst. I think most of the angst came from other people though, not the woman doing it.

[RoxiP]

The pot cookie women were on Station 19 this week.

[KaveDweller]

So they actually did have Vic have the abortion, did have Theo be super supportive, and seem to have them still be together.

Maya and Karina are going to pick Jack to be their sperm donor and it is SUCH a bad idea. 

 

[izabella]

How does Ben still have a job, of any kind?  He is, and always has been, an impulsive, barely-under control adrenaline junkie with an explosive temper.  He needs much more therapy for it to begin making a dent in his issues.

7 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

So they actually did have Vic have the abortion, did have Theo be super supportive, and seem to have them still be together.

That was unexpected, and very nice to see.

[anna0852]

I continue to enjoy the friendship between Andy and Jack. They've always had good chemistry and decent sense of humor.

[possibilities]

Jack would never be able to donate sperm and not want to be one of the child's parents. He wants to be part of a family more than anything.

[Lady Calypso]

7 hours ago, possibilities said:

Jack would never be able to donate sperm and not want to be one of the child's parents. He wants to be part of a family more than anything.

Which is why it's such a terrible idea, and why the show is 100% going through with it. Jack needs to work on his inner issues before he becomes a sperm donor to Maya/Carina. Him being their sperm donor is likely only going to bring up his issues of abandonment and failure with his foster siblings. Although, I guess it wouldn't be the worst storyline for him. I would certainly take a storyline with him searching for his foster siblings than him banging some woman for the 100th time. But for Maya/Carina's sake, it probably wouldn't be a good idea.

They should also avoid Ben as their sperm donor as well. He would probably jump careers and try to be this child's nanny or something.

Maya and Carina would have better luck with Travis as their sperm donor, quite frankly. He's the most sensible choice out of all of them. 

I'm glad we got the Vic/Theo storyline. It went better than I expected, and the couple came out of it stronger. I like the two together so I'm glad they're working things out. And I'm glad Vic got to express her grief over Ripley and Dean.

Unlike Travis/Emmett, who are on the verge of breaking up. I think I forgot everything with them this season, since I didn't realize they were THIS MUCH in trouble. 

Yawn to the Beckett/Sullivan/Fire Chief storyline. I'm glad Andy's away from this mess. 

I hope Andy/Jack's pact actually works out this time. I feel like they've tried this before and it ended in them sleeping together.

[anna0852]

30 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I hope Andy/Jack's pack actually works out this time. I feel like they've tried this before and it ended in them sleeping together.

I hope they do end up together once they've both worked out their issues. They seem to have fun together and certainly seem to confide in and trust each other. 

[Crashcourse]

12 hours ago, izabella said:

How does Ben still have a job, of any kind?  He is, and always has been, an impulsive, barely-under control adrenaline junkie with an explosive temper.  He needs much more therapy for it to begin making a dent in his issues.

I'm sick of Ben.  

[possibilities]

The fact that Maya and Carina wanted totally different things from a donor to me says they want totally different things from a child. I think they need to address that,  and get clear on what each of them thinks parenting is about, before they decide what to do about sperm acquisition.

[RoxiP]

On 3/10/2022 at 9:14 PM, KaveDweller said:

 

Maya and Karina are going to pick Jack to be their sperm donor and it is SUCH a bad idea. 

 

Personally I would pick Travis (I think that's the right name).

[tennisgurl]

On 3/11/2022 at 7:18 AM, Lady Calypso said:

They should also avoid Ben as their sperm donor as well. He would probably jump careers and try to be this child's nanny or something.

 

Well it has been about a week and a half since Ben decided he has a brand new calling...

I hope that Andy and Jack stick to their pact, Andy is right that they always manage to get together with the messiest people in the messiest ways or they blow up any decent romance they start, although I would say their issues run a lot more deeply than just mistaking lust for love. I really like them as friends, I hope they don't mess it up by getting involved again.

Carina and Maya's relationship is just so exhausting, and they clearly need to talk a LOT more about how they see their family and being parents before moving forward. Just please don't let them pick Jack as the donor, that would only end in misery for everyone.

Edited March 15, 2022 by tennisgurl

[anna0852]

Has Vic's hair always been that long?

[possibilities]

Are they really allowed to ignore the wishes of an obviously mentally competent adult, and withhold info from him because a third party tells them to?

Why didn't an ambulance show up to help with the rescue of the woman in the tree?

 

[amarante]

13 hours ago, anna0852 said:

Has Vic's hair always been that long?

No - she must have gotten extensions post abortion. 😂🤷🏼‍♀️

10 hours ago, possibilities said:

Are they really allowed to ignore the wishes of an obviously mentally competent adult, and withhold info from him because a third party tells them to?

Why didn't an ambulance show up to help with the rescue of the woman in the tree?

 

This seems to be a relatively often used television trope as I have seen the identical story line on another show. It also was a older parent from an insular culture where the diagnosis was thought to by the child to be shameful or in some way destroy the psychological well being of the parent.

And in terms of other odd legalities, I do not understand how the "will" of a competent adult regarding guardianship of a child can be ignored. So far as I know the parent's will is legally binding unless there is strong evidence that the appointed guardians are unfit OR if the surviving parent wants custody. However the mother of Pru doesn't appear to be involved in the legal battle as it is the father's parents. She isn't even used as a "proxy" in which she would take custody and then let the parents raise the girl. 

[RoxiP]

On 3/18/2022 at 10:20 AM, amarante said:

No - she must have gotten extensions post abortion. 😂🤷🏼‍♀️

This seems to be a relatively often used television trope as I have seen the identical story line on another show. It also was a older parent from an insular culture where the diagnosis was thought to by the child to be shameful or in some way destroy the psychological well being of the parent.

And in terms of other odd legalities, I do not understand how the "will" of a competent adult regarding guardianship of a child can be ignored. So far as I know the parent's will is legally binding unless there is strong evidence that the appointed guardians are unfit OR if the surviving parent wants custody. However the mother of Pru doesn't appear to be involved in the legal battle as it is the father's parents. She isn't even used as a "proxy" in which she would take custody and then let the parents raise the girl. 

Money talks big in custody battles and apparently Pru's grandparents are loaded.  They are biologically related, they can afford to fight for as long as it takes, and they are probably well known in the community.  They can give a convincing argument.  Not saying it is right but this often happens in custody cases (although the one issue that I think is a little skewed is that Ben and Miranda weren't given primary custody from the start given that he indicates they should get custody).  I'm sure they have big lawyers and CPS and judges can be influenced.

So basically now Station 23 will be closed down because Andi(y?) told the chief it was a sexist hellhole?  Oh boy is that going to make some people mad.  And I suspect that the mysoginistic sexist firefighter will end up at Station 19.  And Ruiz of course.

I also think the young female firefighter on 23 is destined to die, probably because of some mistake on the part of the sexist firefighter.

I kind of like the Chief.  but they violated HIPPA all sorts of ways by discussing the father's health issues with his son.

 

Edited March 22, 2022 by RoxiP
afterthought

[tennisgurl]

I like that Jack and Carina are friends, they honestly have better chemistry then Carina has with Maya, but even as a cool uncle I can only see Jack being their sperm donor being messy. Jack is so desperate for a family and Maya is such a control freak, and they already have baggage, I see this being a big fight waiting to happen. I do like this story for Jack, I much prefer it over his various romantic disasters. 

Miller did want Pru to be raised by Ben and the gang, but the guy also has the attention span of a gnat when it comes to his life choices, I cant totally blame the grandparents Miller for being a bit concerned about his parenting. Not that I think he would stop being interested in Pru, but he seems exhausting to live with on top of raising several kids. 

Are doctors really allowed to just hide major medical issues from a mentally sound adult? Its really messed up that the guy with cancers family is letting him die without even telling him, even if they think its for the best. He's already noticing his failing health and its just going to get worse, I think that mysteriously feeling increasingly bad while your family gaslights you about it would be worse than finding out your dying.

[possibilities]

I don't think the grandparents have any idea at all what Ben or Miranda are like as people or parents. They've always been portrayed as not respecting Dean's choices, so I think they are just trying to get Pru because they regard her as their property and have no respect for Dean's wishes.

Miranda and Ben would totally welcome friendly grandparents into Pru's life, and would probably be grateful for their presence and their help, so what the grandparents ought to have done was take that opportunity to see how things were going, and only try to intervene if Ben and Miranda were actually not doing a great job with her.

But they are control freaks and always were. They hated Dean's life and only stopped harassing him about everything when he made it clear that if they didn't, he'd cut them off completely.

I wish someone would point that out in court, but I don't know who could do it and be taken seriously.

[Crashcourse]

Frankly, I think Ben is becoming too mentally unstable to be Pru's parent, and Bailey's just too busy.   Pru's nanny seemed nice enough.  

[possibilities]

In light of our recent reflections on Ben, I had to laugh at Miranda being the one to get angry this episode, while Ben tried to get her to stay cool.

I knew the tenant was going to be found dead. But you need a court order to put someone on the street, don't you? You do in my state, anyway. Just asking the cops to come and drag someone out without one, which the landlord didn't seem to have at all tried to get, struck me as bad news, and it made me wonder if the guy might have died due to some ngeligent landlord hazard, since she clearly had no idea of what landlord responsibilities are. But I guess they wanted to highlight the problem of being alone in the world, and also the cost of insulin. The thing is, they kind of did a bad job of even the insulin aspect, speculating that he must have run out. Maybe. He also could have had a crisis for another reason. They really made several leaps there, whatever their motivation.

Is burning sugar really worse than tar? I get it is sticky. But more than hot tar? Wow.

 

[Rae Spellman]

On 3/22/2022 at 7:50 AM, RoxiP said:

Money talks big in custody battles and apparently Pru's grandparents are loaded.  They are biologically related, they can afford to fight for as long as it takes, and they are probably well known in the community. 

The Bailey-Warrens may not have Miller money, but Dr. Miranda Bailey made a bunch of money a few seasons back on Grey's from some invention, innovation, or whatever called the TrailBlazer. 

[readster]

9 hours ago, possibilities said:

In light of our recent reflections on Ben, I had to laugh at Miranda being the one to get angry this episode, while Ben tried to get her to stay cool.

I knew the tenant was going to be found dead. But you need a court order to put someone on the street, don't you? You do in my state, anyway. Just asking the cops to come and drag someone out without one, which the landlord didn't seem to have at all tried to get, struck me as bad news, and it made me wonder if the guy might have died due to some ngeligent landlord hazard, since she clearly had no idea of what landlord responsibilities are. But I guess they wanted to highlight the problem of being alone in the world, and also the cost of insulin. The thing is, they kind of did a bad job of even the insulin aspect, speculating that he must have run out. Maybe. He also could have had a crisis for another reason. They really made several leaps there, whatever their motivation.

 

 

Yes, it wasn't done very well. Plus, considering how long she had not heard from him or how he was behind in rent. She has several opportunities to just do a county: "Are you OK" check. Not only was it heavy handed, but also did the classic: "asshole landlord" who is kind of old cliché. 

[Crashcourse]

I missed the last 15 minutes, so was the custody battle resolved?  

[Rae Spellman]

@Crashcourse,  the Millers decided they weren't up to raising Pru full time. Even with the nanny. Mrs. Miller has a heart problem and offered to let Ben and Miranda raise Pru in exchange for Pru spending every holiday and two weeks in the summer with the Millers. Mrs. Miller also wants Ben to stop fighting fires so that Pru doesn't lose him the same way she lost Dean.

[amarante]

14 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I missed the last 15 minutes, so was the custody battle resolved?  

Yes in a manner that indicated that for whatever reason the writers wanted to get rid of the custody battle so it was "resolved" because the grandmother had a health issue and didn't want the kid and so Miranda's bluff worked as she actually didn't have inside information regarding the health of the grandparents.

I don't know how she surmised there being serious health issues just from the nanny saying they were running a bit late because of a doctor's appointment but okay - plot had to move forward however clumsily. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't think custody of Pru was ever going to be given to the grandparents once it was established that the father had drawn up legally adequate documents and the birth mother didn't seem to be in the picture in terms of even acting as a "proxy" for the custody battle. Yes anyone can sue about anything but the Baileys have enough money to hire as much high quality legal representation as they need - it isn't exactly a battle by Richie Rich against an impoverished single woman with no financial resources and no education etc.

The only thing that seems to be in question is whether this will serve as a vehicle for Ben to somehow stop being a fire fighter. Since I found the initial idea of a surgeon having a midlife crisis and becoming a firefighter to have been ridiculous I am vaguely interested in what kind of ridiculous unrealistic twist might be used. I don't meant to sound elitist but if someone has super duper surgical skills - or even just adequate medical skills - and they want to make more of a "contribution" to society why not open a clinic or work in a clinic and use those skills to provide medical care for poor people who are completely underserved. Obviously there is no lack of people who are able to be fire fighters since the Chief indicated that some of the good firefighters at Station 23 will be losing their jobs.

[RoxiP]

I think this will go hand in hand with the idea of restoring the portable surgical unit sitting mothballed right now.  Ben can take over that once again, taking him out of firefighting on a regular basis and yet maintaining his presence in Station 19.

[amarante]

2 hours ago, RoxiP said:

I think this will go hand in hand with the idea of restoring the portable surgical unit sitting mothballed right now.  Ben can take over that once again, taking him out of firefighting on a regular basis and yet maintaining his presence in Station 19.

I don’t understand why the portable surgical center even makes sense. 

Unless you are sending it to an event where you expect some kind of mass disaster how is sending a surgical truck more efficient than getting to the hospital as quickly as possible. Cities are large so you would have to have them stationed in lots of places with skilled surgeons ready to go. 

They only seem to make a difference in those limited instances where someone is impaled and so removing them from the thing impaling them or crushing them will cause them to bleed out immediately. So for those specific occurrences you would need a truck located close enough to get there with skilled personnel. 
 

I am nit familiar with specific Seattle locations but most cities are large enough so that ambulances are scattered to be able to respond quickly. Hell in Los Angeles the traffic conditions are sometimes so bad that they are considered to be a factor in terms of emergency services being able to respond in a timely manner. It comes up when housing density is being considered which would increase density and no way to mitigate increased traffic from the development. 

[izabella]

3 hours ago, amarante said:

The only thing that seems to be in question is whether this will serve as a vehicle for Ben to somehow stop being a fire fighter. Since I found the initial idea of a surgeon having a midlife crisis and becoming a firefighter to have been ridiculous I am vaguely interested in what kind of ridiculous unrealistic twist might be used. I don't meant to sound elitist but if someone has super duper surgical skills - or even just adequate medical skills - and they want to make more of a "contribution" to society why not open a clinic or work in a clinic and use those skills to provide medical care for poor people who are completely underserved. Obviously there is no lack of people who are able to be fire fighters since the Chief indicated that some of the good firefighters at Station 23 will be losing their jobs.

Ben is an adrenaline junkie.  He would never be satisfied in a clinic.   When he was a surgeon on Grey's, he was always trying to perform risky procedures in elevators or by himself with  pocket knives and duct tape.

[Crashcourse]

I think the teenaged son would be a better caretaker for Pru than Ben or Bailey. 

[amarante]

57 minutes ago, izabella said:

Ben is an adrenaline junkie.  He would never be satisfied in a clinic.   When he was a surgeon on Grey's, he was always trying to perform risky procedures in elevators or by himself with  pocket knives and duct tape.

Hopefully I won't be pilloried by being ageist but Miranda must be close to 50 since the show has been on for 18 years approximately - assuming we exist in the normal universe and not Shonda time. They dealt with the pandemic in essentially real time and the series carries the disclaimer that they are dealing with a world in which the pandemic has ended but it hasn't in real life so presumably we are supposed to be thinking it is now 2022.

I don't recall Ben being portrayed as being significantly younger than Miranda so he would be pushing 50 or so at this point. At which point realistically many firefighters might be retiring from extremely active duty. I don't know but except in television world most policemen and firemen I know find that being able to retire with a significant pension after 20 years of service is one of the great benefits of the job. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Isn't working at the hospital with frequent shootings, stabbings, stalkers, human traffickers adrenaline enough to satisfy a middle aged doctor? I would think trauma surgeon at a busy urban ER would feed that rush - but what do I know. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Also do female firefighters generally have the physiques of wraithlike actresses. I realize looks are deceiving and that there are extremely strong women who aren't huge but it seems odd that al of the female firefighters are relatively small. 

[possibilities]

My understanding is that Miranda pushed back on the idea that Pru spends all the holidays with the grandparents, and made it clear that they will fight that BS in court. She did, however, say that they understand and agree that the grandparents should be able to be with her-- I took that to mean that they will invite the grandparents to their own holidays, and allow them to take Pru for some of them. 

I think the grandparents folded, realizing that they don't have a chance to win in court, but Ben is still considering whether or not it's valid that they want him to stop risking his life as a firefighter, since Pru already lost her dad that way.

 

[transitfan]

On 3/25/2022 at 3:20 PM, amarante said:

Hopefully I won't be pilloried by being ageist but Miranda must be close to 50 since the show has been on for 18 years approximately - assuming we exist in the normal universe and not Shonda time. They dealt with the pandemic in essentially real time and the series carries the disclaimer that they are dealing with a world in which the pandemic has ended but it hasn't in real life so presumably we are supposed to be thinking it is now 2022.

I don't recall Ben being portrayed as being significantly younger than Miranda so he would be pushing 50 or so at this point. At which point realistically many firefighters might be retiring from extremely active duty. I don't know but except in television world most policemen and firemen I know find that being able to retire with a significant pension after 20 years of service is one of the great benefits of the job. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I

Even though it often isn't a good indicator, I checked the ages of the actors.  Jason George just turned 50 last month, and Chandra Wilson is 52 (will turn 53 in August), so fairly close.  As for Ben retiring, I don't think he's been a firefighter for that long though (after years after an anesthesologist (sorry for butchering the spelling) and a surgical resident).

[amarante]

2 hours ago, transitfan said:

Even though it often isn't a good indicator, I checked the ages of the actors.  Jason George just turned 50 last month, and Chandra Wilson is 52 (will turn 53 in August), so fairly close.  As for Ben retiring, I don't think he's been a firefighter for that long though (after years after an anesthesologist (sorry for butchering the spelling) and a surgical resident).

What I meant in terms of "retirement" is that firefighting is pretty physically taxing and so one of the "perks" of being a fire fighter is the ability to retire after 20 years - generally with half salary and except in the world of television most firefighters (and police) are glad to accept their pensions. Many of them are able to still work at a good job as a new career. 

I only brought it up because realistically if he is pushing 50 he isn't going necessarily going to be able to physically have the adrenaline rush of fire fighting.

Money for the Baileys is really not an issue as Miranda would be very well paid based on her position and Ben would be able to make an income as a doctor that would put him in the upper class professional level if he left fire fighting. So I don't think Ben needs to stay around for a full pension in order to not be living out of a shopping cart 😂

Of course all of this is an artificial world in which it was set up as a plot device in order to get the cross over from Gray's Anatomy so I don't expect it to actually reflect choices made by people who are doctors or fire fighters 🤷🏼‍♀️

[possibilities]

Damn. He looks really good shirtless for 50.

[Rae Spellman]

On 3/25/2022 at 11:10 AM, amarante said:

I don’t understand why the portable surgical center even makes sense. 

Unless you are sending it to an event where you expect some kind of mass disaster how is sending a surgical truck more efficient than getting to the hospital as quickly as possible. Cities are large so you would have to have them stationed in lots of places with skilled surgeons ready to go. 

Large cities have many, many fire stations. If firefighters respond to (time-sensitive) emergencies in the part of the city closest to their station, the city could pilot the program in the part of the city that Station 19 serves. So it would be a very small program possibly with limited hours that worked with the staff they have. Emmet is the only one we see doing his job. So Ben could still be the only one we see doing his potential new job. 

On 3/25/2022 at 11:15 AM, izabella said:

Ben is an adrenaline junkie.  He would never be satisfied in a clinic.   When he was a surgeon on Grey's, he was always trying to perform risky procedures in elevators or by himself with  pocket knives and duct tape.

This version of Ben is an adrenaline junkie. But, anesthesiologist Ben, who must have been well into his thirties, seemed like the type of guy who would have been satisfied working in a clinic. Supposedly the mass shooting that happened while he was off playing golf made him reevaluate his life choices. Part of all the career was him realizing that he's getting older, life is short, and it's probably better to pursue unrealized dreams sooner rather than later. Ben, is also a cancer survivor who almost died within the last year. Hopefully, he's ready to move on from that adrenaline junkie phase. 

11 hours ago, transitfan said:

Jason George just turned 50 last month, and Chandra Wilson is 52 (will turn 53 in August), so fairly close. 

The characters are a few years younger than the actors. Chandra is the same age as Ellen Pompeo and Kim Raver. Teddy was pregnant when Miranda lost their daughter. When Grey's introduced Maggie they mentioned that Meredith was born in '78. 

Speaking of ages, how likely is that someone Andy or Maya's age would already be in position to be Captain?

[amarante]

10 hours ago, Rae Spellman said:

Large cities have many, many fire stations. If firefighters respond to (time-sensitive) emergencies in the part of the city closest to their station, the city could pilot the program in the part of the city that Station 19 serves. So it would be a very small program possibly with limited hours that worked with the staff they have. Emmet is the only one we see doing his job. So Ben could still be the only one we see doing his potential new job. 

But that is why I questioned the practicality of having a high tech mobile surgical van that needed to be staffed by very talented surgeons and personnel and which actually is only useful for very specific emergencies. Odds of those happening on a frequent basis where the surgical van is located during hours when it is staffed is minimal. 

Funding for city run walk in clinics dispersed around the city is a practical idea which can be rolled out. It is widely acknowledged that there are issues in terms of providing medical care on a walk in basis and so you could set them up in fire stations relatively easily. I am not sure why the program needs to be fire station specific except for being a story line since you can easily do it 24/7 as an small urgent care center. There are already models for this kind of health care delivery in pharmacies, grocery stores, Walmart and even just "urgent care" centers. 

[izabella]

21 hours ago, Rae Spellman said:

This version of Ben is an adrenaline junkie. But, anesthesiologist Ben, who must have been well into his thirties, seemed like the type of guy who would have been satisfied working in a clinic. Supposedly the mass shooting that happened while he was off playing golf made him reevaluate his life choices. Part of all the career was him realizing that he's getting older, life is short, and it's probably better to pursue unrealized dreams sooner rather than later. Ben, is also a cancer survivor who almost died within the last year. Hopefully, he's ready to move on from that adrenaline junkie phase. 

He should have moved on from that phase long ago, but just a couple episodes ago, he recklessly put his life at risk to save Owen Hunt from that car wreck without waiting for help.  I question whether he is ready to move on.

[RoxiP]

I feel like Ben has kind of been in a free fall since Dean's death, and perhaps even before that after being cast adrift.  Maybe he's having a mid-life crisis?  And then Bailey questioned whether they were even supposed to have Pru, there was this custody battle, things at the fire station are changing, his flagship emergency response vehicle was sidelined, throw in a cancer battle somewhere (sorry, my timeline is all out of order) - and I just feel like he has not been acting like the "dad" of the station.  I think he saw Owen's accident as his chance to redeem himself for not being able to save Dean...he wasn't going to lose another friend no matter what the cost.  It is an unpleasant storyline to watch and I hope that fix it soon because I think every show like this needs a calm center around which everyone else spins out of control, and when that calm center is the one spinning out of control it just isn't as interesting to watch.  I like Ben and Bailey to be the sane ones and let all the others totally screw up their lives!

[tennisgurl]

So now that the grandparents have seemingly given up primary custody to Ben and Miranda and brought up their worries about him being a firefighter, what do you think Ben's next career will be? It has been a whole week since his last midlife crisis after all, maybe he can become a professional mountain climber? Deep sea fisherman? Clog dancer? 

Is Carina really sure she wants to committ to raising a kid with Maya?

[izabella]

2 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Is Carina really sure she wants to committ to raising a kid with Maya?

I'm not even convinced Maya even wants a child.  I don't see her as the motherly type.  Which is fine!  Not everyone wants to be a mom! 

[RoxiP]

Marriage is about compromise (from what I've heard - never tried it myself).  Carina does want a child and Maya loves Carina so she is willing to pursue parenthood.  I think she is fully capable of loving the child and being there to raise the child.  I think many hetero couples face this same issue, with one or the other wanting a child and the other going along but until the baby is born maybe not being there full-force.  The only difference is that we expect women to be more maternal and maybe that's just not Maya's personality.

[anna0852]

Oh heck! I'm rewatching Grey's and the whole Jack/Maya/Carina baby thing is Mark/Callie/Arizona all over again. 

I'm embarrassed I didn't connect it until now....

Also, after the incredibly graphic rape on Private Practice several years ago I am so happy we didn't get a repeat with Andy and that she fought him off.

[KaveDweller]

I forgot all about the warning before the episode until Andy walked into the parking lot with that guy. I am really glad she was able to defend himself. Mostly because I did not want to spend the rest of the season with her dealing with the trauma. 

Also hope the dude doesn't die, because I don't want her to deal with that storyline either. I'm hoping Andy somehow ends up Captain at 19, because her position at 23 makes her seem like the best leader we've seen out of all these idiots.