tv echo October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 (edited) 402 reviews by Jenny Raftery (Vulture) and Robert Dougherty (TMN)... Arrow Recap: Electile DysfunctionBy Jenny Raftery October 15, 2015 9:12 a.m.http://www.vulture.com/2015/10/arrow-recap-season-4-episode-2.html Arrow S4: E2 -- 'The Candidate'By Robert Dougherty October 15, 2015 08:38AM EDThttp://www.themovienetwork.com/review/arrow-s4-e2-candidate Also, Laura Hurley's goodbye to Oliver's flashback wig... Arrow: R.I.P. Oliver's WigBY LAURA HURLEY 9 HOURS AGOhttp://www.cinemablend.com/television/Arrow-R-I-P-Oliver-Wig-92357.html Edited October 15, 2015 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 402 reviews by jbuffyangel and JustAboutWrite... DARE TO BE DIFFERENT: THE CANDIDATE 4X02 REVIEWOCTOBER 15, 2015http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/131211566048/dare-to-be-different-the-candidate-4x02-review Arrow 4x02 "The Candidate" (What Do You Stand For?)October 14, 2015http://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/10/arrow-4x02-candidate-what-do-you-stand.html 1 Link to comment
Velocity23 October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 ‘Arrow’ Showrunner Discusses LGBT Characters, Family Dynamics in Season 4 http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/arrow-mr-terrific-anarky-oliver-mayor-laurel-sara-lazarus-pit-1201618389/ Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 Obviously Oliver is the lead,” Mericle says, “but fans really love Diggle and they obviously love Felicity, and the Black Canary has a huge following. Oliver, Diggle, Felicity, and BC. Not Laurel, but BC. Maybe there is something in the theory that the show is treating Laurel and Black Canary as two separate characters. How bizarre. 17 Link to comment
Chaser October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 "Black Canary has a huge following." That sounds like a reference to the comic character, not the one they created. 11 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 15, 2015 Share October 15, 2015 "Black Canary has a huge following." That sounds like a reference to the comic character, not the one they created. That was my thought as well. Shes talking about comics Black Canary not Laurel. 5 Link to comment
dtissagirl October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Felicity made the Hollywood Reporter's badass women on tv list: 'Supergirl' and 10 Other Badass Women on TV http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/supergirl-10-badass-women-tv-832225/1-kara-zorel-supergirl 13 Link to comment
Morena October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Arrow S04E02: What worked, what didn't, and what needs to happen next http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e02-what-worked-what-didn-t-and-what-needs-to-happen-next 5 Link to comment
Starfish35 October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Bless this show, for it has achieved the impossible: the plot of Oliver Queen running for mayor actually makes sense. I agree with this. I didn't think they could make me believe it but they did. 9 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Arrow S04E02: What worked, what didn't, and what needs to happen next http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e02-what-worked-what-didn-t-and-what-needs-to-happen-next "Frankly, Laurel digging up Sara is the most selfish thing that any character on Arrow has ever done, and redeeming her for this awful act will take some mighty act of heroism the likes of which this reviewer cannot concoct as well as a heaping helping of humble pie for Laurel." Kill her off...then maybe I'll forgive her selfishness "The episode tried to frame Laurel’s act in the same terms as Oliver’s when he decided to dunk Thea in the Lazarus Pit, but there is a huge difference between what Oliver did for Thea and what Laurel has done to Sara. Oliver was saving his still-living sister; Laurel is planning on resurrecting the sister who has been dead and buried for a year. Laurel is not saving Sara; Laurel is disrupting Sara’s rest for reasons that really don’t make sense" Yep Arrow has mishandled the character of Laurel Lance from the very beginning, but never has she been nearly so unrecoverable as she is now that she physically dug up the corpse of her dead sister. uh huh, uh huh. 13 Link to comment
manbearpig October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Felicity made the Hollywood Reporter's badass women on tv list: 'Supergirl' and 10 Other Badass Women on TV http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/supergirl-10-badass-women-tv-832225/1-kara-zorel-supergirl Their inclusion of Daisy is interesting to me because even with superpowers I think she's the least badass woman on Agents of Shield. Nice for Felicity even though she wouldn't be my choice from Arrow, but since Moira's dead I can accept it. 2 Link to comment
Genki October 16, 2015 Share October 16, 2015 Their inclusion of Daisy is interesting to me because even with superpowers I think she's the least badass woman on Agents of Shield. Nice for Felicity even though she wouldn't be my choice from Arrow, but since Moira's dead I can accept it. Daisy would not be my choice form AOS either, she does get the most focus and has had the biggest journey as a character, but she is not my fave. Otherwise a pretty good list, say what you like about CW, they do tend to have a lot of female characters that I love. Link to comment
Chaser October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) http://www.ew.com/gallery/20-believable-butt-kicking-women/713270_caity-lotz-arrow EW had a list of 23 Butt-Kicking Woman. Caity Lotz made the list. They called her Black Canary. Edited October 17, 2015 by 10Eleven12 3 Link to comment
Primal Slayer October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 A lot of media outlets have called her the Black Canary, nothing new. But good for her for being on the list. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 http://www.ew.com/gallery/20-believable-butt-kicking-women/713270_caity-lotz-arrow EW had a list of 23 Butt-Kicking Woman. Caity Lotz made the list. They called her Black Canary. Interesting list. Love that Sara/Black Canary made the list. Crack up when I got to Grace Jones at the end of the list. Link to comment
EmilyBettFan October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) Lol at not mentioning Laurel by name. Everyone else is Oliver is loved, Diggle is loved and so is Felicity. Then bam BC has a "huge" following. You really have to give it to Caity Lotz. She really did make that character and Laurel KC only inherited it because of the name. That's all it is. They had s kick ass actress in the role and they killed her. Now they use a stunt woman most if not all of the time. Badly at that to because we can tell when it's the stunt person. They don't even have the same body type. Edited October 18, 2015 by EmilyBettFan 3 Link to comment
kismet October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 I think the majority of the reason LL crossed over to FLASH in Fs1 to get her collar was to clarify to that segment of the audience who the Black Canary really was. That really was the only point of Cisco's fanboy scene. They really didn't even talk about the tech, which was the most important part. It provided a Flarrowverse canon clarity as to who was the Black Canary as opposed to the Canary. It worked I have a friend who has just started s1 of ARROW, but came to it via watching the FLASH over the summer. And we were talking about the show. I asked her what she thought of LL, and she didn't have much to say beyond, oh yeah she becomes the BC. Link to comment
BkWurm1 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 What’s really exciting about that is we’ve just barely scratched the surface with both of them [Diggle and Felicity], and that’s been one of the fun things with breaking and writing season four is we have so much story to tell and when you start to dig beneath and go past Oliver, there’s so much more to still explore.” I find it very reassuring to hear Wendy Mericle say this. They've just begun to explore them. 2 Link to comment
foreverevolving October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) I think the majority of the reason LL crossed over to FLASH in Fs1 to get her collar was to clarify to that segment of the audience who the Black Canary really was. That really was the only point of Cisco's fanboy scene. They really didn't even talk about the tech, which was the most important part. It provided a Flarrowverse canon clarity as to who was the Black Canary as opposed to the Canary. It worked I have a friend who has just started s1 of ARROW, but came to it via watching the FLASH over the summer. And we were talking about the show. I asked her what she thought of LL, and she didn't have much to say beyond, oh yeah she becomes the BC. I lol it because it only proves what a terrible and forgettable character she is. i'm looking forward to hear what your friend will have to say when she reaches s2 and watch Sara in action. Edited October 17, 2015 by foreverevolving Link to comment
kismet October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 I lol it because it only proves what a terrible and forgettable character she is. i'm looking forward to hear what your friend will have to say when she reaches s2 and watch Sara in action. Me too... I didn't tell her that part of the fun :) Her parting words were actually about how things are starting to heat up with FS's plot & shes just talking about her working with WS (she's on 107 or 108). I simply smiled a smug smile and said to myself you have no idea. 1 Link to comment
Happy Harpy October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (I don't usually post links to articles, and I didn't see this one yet so sorry if I missed it.) Interesting perspective coming from someone who doesn't hate Laurel (Canaries is the best episode ever of Arrow for him) but isn't happy with what The Candidate did to her character: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-is-bringing-sara-lance-b-57771.aspx Link to comment
apinknightmare October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 It's a problem that the Lazarus Pit has started to become Arrow's get out of death free card I see this sentiment a lot, but Thea's the only person we've seen it used on, and she wasn't even dead. 2 Link to comment
Morrigan2575 October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 Yeah, i don't get that. I can see an argument that the LP could become a get out of Death card (problem). I don't get the comment that it's already become a problem since it's only been used once and Thea wasn't even dead at the time. 3 Link to comment
AyChihuahua October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 Personally my problem with the LP is that it's ridiculous instead of deep and serious. Every time we saw RAG in the beginning he was just lounging in it with his greasy hair and too much jewelry. NOT impressive. Treat it like a 70s Jacuzzi and I'll look at it like a 70s Jacuzzi. 4 Link to comment
bethy October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) I feel like the producers have made some comment about something happening with the LP after Sara is brought back that will mean they can't use it as their get out of death free card. Edited because, whoops, spoiler tags. Edited October 18, 2015 by bethy Link to comment
apinknightmare October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) They have, but that's a spoiler. Edited October 17, 2015 by apinknightmare Link to comment
Delphi October 17, 2015 Share October 17, 2015 (edited) Just on case spoiler tagged Usually with lazurus pits, at least in comics, after its first use for actual resurrection the pit will dry up and is unusable. Nyssa eventually find a way around this. So I imagine in show RAG only used it for longevity and after they actually bring Sara back it will dry up. Edited October 17, 2015 by Delphi 7 Link to comment
statsgirl October 18, 2015 Share October 18, 2015 Interesting perspective coming from someone who doesn't hate Laurel (Canaries is the best episode ever of Arrow for him) but isn't happy with what The Candidate did to her character: http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-is-bringing-sara-lance-b-57771.aspx He seems to have been very happy with Laurel's development into the Black Canary and is upset that this episode seems to have knocked her down from her high position. I guess it's a case of you can't please everyone. I don't like it when my fave character is less than perfect either. Link to comment
Primal Slayer October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 These episode recaps are hilarious http://imgur.com/a/4Vy63 3 Link to comment
bijoux October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 These episode recaps are hilarious http://imgur.com/a/4Vy63 I prefer cozyforjate's. http://cozyforjate.tumblr.com/post/131437816177/olicity-crack-4x02 The whole 'idea loading' running thread is hilarious, and the sequence with Quentin, thoughts about Dig and Thea and Felicity's roles in local authorities had me in stitches. Oh, and a good day - Thea didn't kill anyone. 7 Link to comment
Velocity23 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Felicity and Olicity get a shout out at the Talk Nerdy With Us Weekly TV Superlative Awards! http://talknerdywithus.com/2015/10/18/talk-nerdy-with-us-weekly-tv-superlative-awards/ 5 Link to comment
tv echo October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 ‘Arrow': The Definitive Ranking of Every Character We Want Brought Back Via Lazarus Pitby kayti burt 7h agohttp://www.mtv.com/news/2351840/arrow-lazarus-pit-resurrections/?xrs=_s.tw_news Link to comment
tv echo October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) This GB quote is from a NY Times article about Supergirl, but it's just as applicable to Arrow and his other superhero shows... Mr. Berlanti, who also produces the comic-book adaptations “Arrow,” “The Flash” and “Legends of Tomorrow” for CW, said that the “scope and epicness” inherent in the Supergirl character “seemed like a real chance to do something even bigger” — one that would play to the larger audience that a CBS series requires. While “Supergirl” offers a mix of action set pieces, thought to be the domain of male viewers, and workplace and relationship drama — usually regarded as a beacon for female audiences — Mr. Berlanti said that early testing of the series had shown that these presumed boundaries were not so rigid. “Women are just as excited by the action, and men are just as excited by the emotional stories,” he said. “They all have the capacity to cross the gender borderlines.”* * * ‘Supergirl’ Leads a Wave of Female HeroesBy DAVE ITZKOFFOCT. 16, 2015http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/18/arts/television/supergirl-leads-a-wave-of-female-heroes.html Edited October 19, 2015 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Halloween Costumes For Couples 2015: Dress Up As Favorite TV Characters From 'Empire,' 'Arrow,' 'Doctor Who' And MoreBy Nicole Massabrook October 19 2015 2:07 PM EDThttp://www.ibtimes.com/halloween-costumes-couples-2015-dress-favorite-tv-characters-empire-arrow-doctor-who-2146983 5. “Arrow” -- The Green Arrow and Felicity This couples’ Halloween costume will make you ready to save Star City. Oliver (Stephen Amell) wears a lot of green leather. If you’re not in the mood to rock the leather outfit, a green hoodie can work as a throwback to his early days as the Hood. Be sure to grab a mask along with a bow and arrow. For Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards), a blonde wig with the hair pulled into a pony tail is important. Pair it with a stylish, bright dress and a pair of glasses. 2 Link to comment
Delphi October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 ‘Arrow': The Definitive Ranking of Every Character We Want Brought Back Via Lazarus Pit by kayti burt 7h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2351840/arrow-lazarus-pit-resurrections/?xrs=_s.tw_news That's a pretty good list, I think. Matches my desires to the letter. Welcome back, by the way! 2 Link to comment
tv echo October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 (edited) Thanks! Some more 402 reviews (the first one is the best of the below articles, imo)... Arrow “The Candidate” Review (Season 4, Episode 2)Jessica Breaux October 15, 2015http://www.tvequals.com/2015/10/15/arrow-the-candidate-review-season-4-episode-2/ ARROW’S “THE CANDIDATE” (S4,EP2): THAT OLD DEVIL MAGICPosted on October 16, 2015 by Kelly Kondahttp://weminoredinfilm.com/2015/10/16/arrows-the-candidate-s4ep2-that-old-devil-magic/ Arrow Season 4: 6 Things The Candidate Got Right (And 4 It Didn’t)James Hunt 16 OCT 2015http://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-season-4-6-things-the-candidate-got-right-and-4-it-didnt.php Arrow 4×02 Review – The Candidate By: Alisha Bjorklund October 16, 2015http://www.threeifbyspace.net/2015/10/arrow-4x02-review-the-candidate/#.ViVHm36rTIU Arrow Does the One Thing None of Us Thought It Would DoEsther Inglis-Arkell 10/15/15 1:25pmhttp://io9.com/arrow-does-the-one-thing-none-of-us-thought-it-would-do-1736660455 Same Geek Channel: ‘Arrow’ Episode 4.02 “The Candidate”Posted on 16 October, 2015 by Joey L. Millshttp://geekdad.com/2015/10/arrow-4-02/ ‘Arrow’ Post-Show Analysis: Season 4, Episode 2: ‘The Candidate’by CA Post-Show Team October 16, 2015 9:00 AMhttp://comicsalliance.com/arrow-season-4-episode-2-the-candidate/ ‘Arrow’ Review: “The Candidate”Posted on October 16, 2015 Nora Dominick ’17http://emertainmentmonthly.com/2015/10/16/arrow-review-the-candidate/ Arrow, Ep. 4.02, “The Candidate”Randy Dankievitch October 15, 2015http://www.popoptiq.com/arrow-the-candidate-review/ ARROW: "THE CANDIDATE" REVIEWBY JESSE SCHEDEEN 14 OCT 2015http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/15/arrow-the-candidate-review Edited October 19, 2015 by tv echo 3 Link to comment
kismet October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 ‘Arrow': The Definitive Ranking of Every Character We Want Brought Back Via Lazarus Pit by kayti burt 7h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2351840/arrow-lazarus-pit-resurrections/?xrs=_s.tw_news Yea the list is just about right. I would have put Deadshot higher than Yao Fei, but then again I still don't think Deadshot is dead. Honestly, if SL wasn't already coming back, I would have had her #3 after MQ & TM. But still excited we are getting her back. So its all good for her - just bummed we don't get the other two. 1 Link to comment
tv echo October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 Arrow Season 4: 8 Theories For Who’s In The GraveJames Hunt 19 OCT 2015http://whatculture.com/tv/arrow-season-4-8-theories-for-whos-in-the-grave.php Link to comment
bijoux October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 ‘Arrow': The Definitive Ranking of Every Character We Want Brought Back Via Lazarus Pit by kayti burt 7h ago http://www.mtv.com/news/2351840/arrow-lazarus-pit-resurrections/?xrs=_s.tw_news I have accepted that Sara is coming back but I want exactly none of these characters to be resurrected, as much as I may wish Tommy and Moira were still around. And Deadshot will pop up sooner or later, revealing he hasn't died. Link to comment
Chaser October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 John Campea said he would watch the show again if they fixed their mess and killed Laurel. I still can't believe he quit the show. 1 Link to comment
Primal Slayer October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 He can stay gone as far as I am concerned. Link to comment
apinknightmare October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 John Campea said he would watch the show again if they fixed their mess and killed Laurel. I don't care if he starts watching again - I don't want Laurel killed. I do admire the sticktuitiveness though, that he said he'd quit and he actually did. I simply don't care about Laurel that much, haha. 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 October 19, 2015 Share October 19, 2015 I liked John Campea's recaps, probably because he hates Laurel as much as I do. I watch his Flash ones now. 1 Link to comment
AyChihuahua October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 Follow-through is rare these days. I enjoyed Campea's show, but good for him for quitting like he said he would. 9 Link to comment
EmilyBettFan October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 I enjoyed Campea's thoughts. He was great for the arrow after Show. I loved his no non sense thoughts on Laurel yawn Lance. Lol 1 Link to comment
looptab October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) After reading your comments I went and checked out the after show (I had dropped it at some point last season because I couldn't stand Campea's wife and her friend's flip-flopping anymore). I looked for the streamtv.com one, and was glad to see they weren't on it, and that finally someone got rid of them. But then I look at the suggested videos and here they are for the Collider recap. :/ So bummed. Anyway, I watched the recap for the premiere, and while I like the new guy, I don't know if I could go back to watch the show regularly. I'm fine with people criticizing things I like, as long as those critiques are objective and not born out of prejudice, but I don't think that's the case for this people. Like, Medina saying he didn't like how Felicity went from being a pain in Oliver's ass last season, begging him to leave the vigilante life, to being the one who wanted to come back. Huh, have you watched the same show I have? When did that happen? If you are doing a show about something, shouldn't you at least pay attention and get characters motivations? Besides, I'm not over my dislike of Kaori, so that may factor in my reaction to everything she says: Have you guys watched it? What did you think about it? P.S. I think Campea is just not doing the aftershow, but he is still watching Arrow. At some point one of them said that a scene had John Campea, who was watching with them, giggling. Edited October 20, 2015 by looptab Link to comment
EmilyBettFan October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 Yeah they don't even know what they are watching or even if they have watched it. I finally gave up after seeing a clip of them without John and they were completely just agreeing with whatever the new guy said. It was stupid and I was out! Link to comment
tv echo October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) Get to know ‘Arrow’s new superhero actor Echo KellumColleen Bement October 19, 2015 10:51 PM MSThttp://www.examiner.com/article/get-to-know-arrow-s-new-superhero-actor-echo-kellum Q. Welcome to the Arrow fandom. No DOUBT you’re going to find instant fame. Being new to the cast, how were you welcomed to the set? A. “Well, um, they were really mean. They said get out of here. Just kidding. Emily was the person I worked with and meeting her was like meeting a friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years. It was just so easy to come in and work with her. It was like I was always a part of the cast. Everyone was extremely nice and down to earth and funny. They were so freaking nice. And ya know, they don't have to be. They’re on a hit show, yet they were professional and nice.”* * *Q. @noreligravines would just love to know your opinion on who is smarter? Felicity or Curtis? A. “That's a trick question. They both are intellectual people; really smart. I think they're on par with each other. According to DC he's (Curtis Holt) the third smartest person in the world, but I don't think they really calculated Felicity's smartness. They need to update their list. I think Felicity's right up there. She is definitely one of the smartest people in the world.” Q. @Lostritaurie wants to know if there are a lot of shinanigans on the set. A. “There are times that Emily and I are always creating shenanigans. We'll talk in accents or gibberish in scenes. We'll have weird rap battles, or we'll change the lyrics to different songs. We try to get the crew to get a song stuck in their head. We have a lot of fun.” Edited October 20, 2015 by tv echo 2 Link to comment
tv echo October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 (edited) In the Social Media thread (page 246), I posted some tweets about Arrow, Flash, Gotham and Supergirl banners being posted on the WB water tower. Here's some articles about that historic event (apparently it's a temporary makeover and those banners will stay up for only 90 days)... Warner Bros Gives Superhero Makeover To Iconic Water Towerby Ross A. Lincoln October 19, 2015 11:17pmhttp://deadline.com/2015/10/warner-bros-adds-super-hero-banners-to-water-tower-1201588402/ FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE WARNER BROS. WATER TOWER GETS A MAKEOVERDCTV SUPER HERO TAKEOVER INCLUDING ARROW, THE FLASH, GOTHAM’S DETECTIVE GORDON AND SUPERGIRL UNVEILED ON ICONIC STRUCTUREBURBANK, Calif. (October 19, 2015)http://warnerbrostv.tumblr.com/post/131516106500/wb-water-tower-makeover Edited October 21, 2015 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
tv echo October 20, 2015 Share October 20, 2015 This is a great article...Eat, Prey, ‘Arrow’ — Oliver Queen’s Guide to Traveling The Worldby kayti burt 4h agohttp://www.mtv.com/news/2352426/eat-prey-arrow-oliver-queens-guide-to-traveling-the-world/?xrs=_s.tw_news 3 Link to comment
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