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I always find it odd when people blame the writing for LLs failure. I'll give them that for Lauiver because of the whole cheating thing but, let's be honest if SA/KC had the chemistry that SA/EBR had,

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Sorry, that argument rings really hollow when the show has had a history of killing off/mistreating other female characters without a peep of protest from those same "concerned" people. Moira Queen, S

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I know that this is supposed to be Felicity's dark arc, but...Felicity desperately doing whatever she can to save people (damn the consequences down the road) doesn't make me think that she's losing w

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I wish she was part of more "intense action scenes." She sells them better than others, IMO. I mean, not fight scenes; there are already too many of them and they're not very good these days. But more stunts with her and Oliver in danger (I'm gonna get my wish with that doomed limo ride of Christmas carols, aren't I?)

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Very positive review of HVFF 2015 (warning: includes reporting on spoilery tidbits spilled during this comic con)...

 

The Best of the Best at Heroes and Villains FanFest: San Jose
By Araceli Aviles on Dec 1, 2015
http://www.tvovermind.com/the-cw/arrow/best-of-the-best-heroes-villains-fanfest-san-jose-270797

... What makes Heroes and Villains unique is the specific interactive elements tailored specifically for the namesake fans. Activities such as the Zipline, Heroes Alley, and Trampoline were favorites not only for the fans, but for the featured television stars. There was not one attendee who didn’t hear about the adorable story of a young Mavi Amell pointing at the Zipline and saying “Dada”; or see, whether in person or in the shared video tweets, Arrow star John Barrowman draw a large crowd jumping up-and-down on the trampoline during Stephen Amell’s panel....
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The star of the weekend really was Arrow‘s Stephen Amell, not because he is the main title star, but because it was his creative vision which brought Heroes and Villains to fruition...
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'Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice' Trailer Debut Penalizes 'Arrow' Fans
Scott Mendelson   DEC 2, 2015 @ 10:00 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2015/12/02/batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-trailer-debut-penalizes-arrow-fans/

The other issue, which inspired this post, is that even if I were home tomorrow night I’d presumably be otherwise occupied between 8:35 pm and at least 9:00 pm. I would be sitting on my couch watching the second part of the two-part Flash/Arrow crossover event that airs tomorrow night on The CW from 8 to 9. Sure if you live on the East Coast, you’re in the clear (but probably very tired). But if you’re a West Coast-er, and you have to see the trailer right away (and for the sake of tonight’s post I hope you are all going to click on my relatively thoughtful trailer post as soon as it drops), you face something of a nerd Sophie’s Choice.
 

Do you stop watching the final half of Arrow and patiently wait for the Batman v Superman trailer to drop before resuming the show or do you wait until Arrow is over and either hope that the trailer doesn’t drop until around 9:15 pm or merely wait to see the thing until the show ends? ...

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I thought the teaser trailer they released the other day was fairly stupid, so I wouldn't miss Arrow to watch it.

I've seen several really funny 50 Shades of Grey versions of that stupid trailer.

 

To be fair, I've never been interested in Superman.  I think he's unbelievably boring, in every incarnation.  But this version is still boring, but also kind of a huge piece of shit.  Batman is also a huge piece of shit, but at least he was interesting...this version, not so much.

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L.A. Times - Colton Haynes of 'Arrow' and 'Teen Wolf' details his anxiety struggle

 

. . . "For those of you who are suffering with intense anxiety...ur not alone. It's been a constant struggle for me since 5th grade. It's a battle," the 27-year-old wrote, adding, "Anxiety had put me in the hospital a countless amount of times. Whether it be fainting, hyperventilating, or seizures...I've been through it"

 

"Just know ur not alone & it affects more ppl than you would ever know. We can overcome this. We can fight thru it & will," he said.

 

Despite his memorably outrageous Halloween costumes and appearances in blockbusters such as "San Andreas," the former "Teen Wolf" star said he quit jobs because of his anxiety and "flaked on social events, family gatherings, birthdays, important movie/work tests." . . .

 

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Good for him. It takes courage to open up about something that hard.

 

I was told about Worry Eater dolls, and I think I'm going to get one for someone with anxiety problems.  It's a stuffed creature with a mouth you can zip up.  The child writes down on a piece of paper what he or she is worrying about, puts it into the Worry Eater's mouth and zips it up.  The parent comes by later, takes it out and reads is, and helps the child deal with the anxiety. The person I want to get it for suggested that the parent read it in the child's presence so they can talk about it together, which seems an even better idea..

 

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Laura Hurley ‏@lah9891 4h4 hours ago

So, the two things I said I wanted to change: Barry using "Ollie," and Oliver lying to Felicity

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There are a ton of post mortem on the episode and Oliver lying.

http://www.spoilertv.com/2015/12/the-flash-episode-209-running-to-stand_3.html?m=1

Thanks!  For future reference purposes, I'm breaking out the various article links on that SpoilerTV page here (nothing much spoilery that you couldn't guess from watching last night's episode)...

 

'Arrow' Bosses Talk Oliver's Secret Son, Brutal Ramifications for Olicity: There Will Be 'Serious Consequences'

by Philiana Ng   6:00 PM PST, December 02, 2015

http://www.etonline.com/tv/177260_arrow_bosses_on_oliver_son_william_and_olicity_future/

 

Arrow Bosses on How Oliver's Secret Will Raise the 'Olicity' Stakes — Plus: The Cost of Barry's Big Move

By Vlada Gelman / December 2 2015, 6:01 PM PST

http://tvline.com/2015/12/02/arrow-oliver-lies-about-his-son-to-felicity-season-4-spoilers/

 

AFTER THE CROSSOVER, WHAT'S NEXT FOR ARROW, THE FLASH AND LEGENDS OF TOMORROW

BY ERIC GOLDMAN  / 2 DEC 2015

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/12/03/after-the-crossover-whats-next-for-arrow-the-flash-and-legends-of-tomorrow

 

‘Arrow’-‘Flash’ Crossover: Producers Discuss Oliver’s Secret, ‘Serious Consequences’ Ahead

DECEMBER 2, 2015 | 06:00PM PT Laura Prudom

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/arrow-flash-crossover-oliver-son-william-connor-hawke-felicity-secret-1201652241/

 

'The Flash,' 'Arrow' EPs Talk Shocking Crossover Conclusion, Future 'Olicity' Fallout

DECEMBER 02, 2015 6:00pm PT by Sydney Bucksbaum

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/flash-arrow-eps-shocking-crossover-845103?utm_source=twitter

 

Arrow-Flash bosses on Olicity twist, Vandal's future and more

BY NATALIE ABRAMS December 2 2015 — 9:00 PM EST

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/02/arrow-flash-crossover-legends-spoilers-oliver-kid

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Vulture (Jenny Raftery) review of 408...

 

Arrow Recap: Staff Infection
By Jenny Raftery December 2, 2015 9:05 p.m.
http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/arrow-recap-season-4-episode-8.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture

Jenny Raftery ‏@rafteryish
I wish Barry would travel back in time to redo tonight's episode. My @Vulture recap of the meh #Arrow crossover: http://www.vulture.com/2015/12/arrow-recap-season-4-episode-8.html?mid=twitter-share-vulture…
6:46 PM - 2 Dec 2015

https://twitter.com/rafteryish/status/672245533923278848

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Alan Sepinwall's short review of 408...

 

Review: 'Arrow' - 'Legends of Yesterday': Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and baby mama drama
By Alan Sepinwall | Wednesday, Dec 2, 2015 9:03 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-arrow-legends-of-yesterday-hawkman-hawkgirl-and-baby-mama-drama

Still, there was enough material about Oliver's son and the impact his discovery had on Felicity to not make it feel entirely like the week had two "Flash" episodes. I've got mixed feelings about that plot. On the one hand, this was some of the best dramatic work that both Stephen Amell and Emily Bett Rickards have done on the show to date. On the other, William's mother insisting that Oliver keep the relationship a secret from everyone just felt like a contrivance to give us that exact kind of fight. Keeping secrets on these shows never works out well for everyone, yet the characters either choose to keep doing it or are forced into doing it by the plot, and the whole thing made me roll my eyes even as the two leads were killing it opposite each other.
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Overall, the story was fun, but both shows are individually suffering from too many characters and storylines right now, and crossovers that not only feature both casts, but major guest stars who need a build-up before they become part of a third show only exacerbates that issue.
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Laura Hurley has been busy writing about 408 (she is spot on as usual)..

 

'Arrow' S04E08: Baby mama drama sets everything back in 'Legends of Yesterday'
http://www.examiner.com/article/arrow-s04e08-baby-mama-drama-sets-everything-back-legends-of-yesterday

... Instead, “Legends of Yesterday” presented a pair of characters who make selfish decisions to resolve conflicts of enormously high stakes. The result is that Samantha is a character best left off of the show and Oliver is a character who needs to come clean to Felicity as soon as possible if he is to be salvageable as a hero.

 

Arrow: 3 Big Ways Oliver's Kid Could Have Major Consequences
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Arrow-3-Big-Ways-Oliver-Kid-Could-Have-Major-Consequences-102977.html

 

5 Things The Flash And Arrow Crossover Revealed About Legends Of Tomorrow
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/5-Things-Flash-Arrow-Crossover-Revealed-About-Legends-Tomorrow-103037.html

 

How Arrow Introduced Vandal Savage
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/How-Arrow-Introduced-Vandal-Savage-102937.html

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Who even cares about brutal consequences from Oliver lying?  There are always consequences, but he NEVER LEARNS.

 

They're acting like these "brutal consequences" are some sort of new thing they've invented. "Oh my gosh, Oliver lied! Whatever will happen when Felicity finds out?! Let me tell you - it will be brutal! Are you surprised?! Are you intrigued to find out what these consequences will be?! Who would have ever thought that lying would have consequences! We knew this would throw you because we didn't provide any consequences for another character who lied her ass off earlier this season!" 

 

No one ever learns on Arrow. That way the writers can continue to be lazy and not have to think of honest ways to provide tension to the narrative.

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From Robert Dougherty's review (see TheMovieNetwork link above)...

So when Felicity states to Oliver that "You don't trust me. You never will," in spite of everything, this is pretty much the writers' coded message to the audience as well. They don't trust us to keep watching without jerking us around, without creating drama that does not need to exist, without setting up plots and entire spinoff shows that really have no need to exist, and without creating paranoia that a show with true courage and guts doesn't need to keep feeding us. They certainly don't trust that we will actuallly watch a show with high drama which also has two characters working through all of it together as equal partners, no matter what, for more than a few episodes.

 

ITA

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"So when Felicity states to Oliver that "You don't trust me. You never will," in spite of everything, this is pretty much the writers' coded message to the audience as well. They don't trust us to keep watching without jerking us around, without creating drama that does not need to exist, without setting up plots and entire spinoff shows that really have no need to exist, and without creating paranoia that a show with true courage and guts doesn't need to keep feeding us. They certainly don't trust that we will actually watch a show with high drama which also has two characters working through all of it together as equal partners, no matter what, for more than a few episodes."

 

Perfect statement of how I feel.

 

ETA - Jinx, tv echo!

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Yahoo review of 408 (yes, reviewer mistakenly calls Samantha "Sandra")...

 

'Arrow' Recap: The Flash Arrives, and Everybody Dies
Robert Chan  December 2, 2015
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/arrow-recap-flash-crossover-legends-of-yesterday-015935233.html

For a moment there — when Oliver realizes that he has a second chance to correct the mistakes of the timeline where everybody dies — it almost seemed like he would man up and tell Felicity the truth. He owes her a lot more than he owes Sandra, and it’s not like Felicity’s the Jerry Springer I’m-gonna-rip-your-weave-out kind of girl who would tell Sandra she knows.
 

But, no. He plans to keep regular visits to Central City a secret from a super-science, I-have-access-to-every-surveillance-camera-in-the-state kind of girl. Bet that’s going to work out great.
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What is most interesting about this episode is what it reveals about Oliver Queen’s character. Even when he gets a second chance, he can’t help himself from keeping secrets and putting his guilt-driven responsibility ahead of his happiness and the happiness of the ones he loves.
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They built the pyramids, for crying out loud; they’re not Neanderthals. They probably had a better name for them than “sky rocks.”

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Washington Post review of 408...

 

‘The Arrow’ TV recap: Against the evil darkness, it’s time to amass Justice League Light
By David Betancourt December 3 at 9:00 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/12/03/the-arrow-tv-recap-against-the-evil-darkness-its-time-to-amass-justice-league-light/

That led to a fight (finally?) with Felicity, after she finds out Oliver didn’t have plans to let her know about it. The conversation between the two is heated, and a rarity. We’ve been treated to so much positive Olicity this season that this scene almost felt as if it took place in an alternate reality.
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But at what cost? Now we’re back to Felicity’s not knowing about Oliver’s son, and it looks as if Oliver will honor the mother of the child’s request to keep Oliver’s paternity a secret. So now Oliver is back to keeping secrets from everyone.
 

More drama lies ahead as Oliver looks to have every intention of being in his son’s life. Can the drama take down Olicty? ...

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The reincarnated Hawks and immortal villain aren’t even the craziest thing on this Arrow/Flash team-up
By Alasdair Wilkins  Dec 2, 2015  8:00 PM
http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/reincarnated-hawks-and-immortal-villain-arent-even-229221

That the crux of this is Oliver’s long-lost son—and one not even named Connor!—is … well, it’s a bit weird, honestly, just as it was weird to see Moira Queen in the “Previously On” segment of last night’s Flash episode. A previously unknown child is one of the most soap opera plots Arrow could conceivably trot out, and the fact that this particular plotline has been sitting on the shelf for two years does it no favors. As I discussed back in the review of “Seeing Red,” that particular subplot never felt like it had all that much to do with Oliver, given his younger self was ignorant about all that was happening, nor did it really establish the mother of Oliver’s child as anything more than a character-building device to help wrap up Moira’s arc. The whole business with Oliver’s child mattered to the show inasmuch as it illustrated Moira’s twisted mix of love and ruthlessness.
 

That’s fine in and of itself, but it means “Legends Of Yesterday” has trouble knowing quite how to grab hold of the story tonight; in particular, Anna Hopkins’ Samantha doesn’t come off particularly sympathetic, because the audience has no context for her that might elicit sympathy. She’s just this person we might vaguely remember from a year ago who ends up making a demand of Oliver that doesn’t seem especially logical in and of itself—how exactly would she expect Oliver to successfully keep a secret of this life-changing magnitude from the woman he loves?—and just feels like a plot-mandated way to drive a wedge between Oliver and Felicity, whether tonight in the first timeline or sometime later, as is now pretty much inevitable. Indeed, Felicity’s breakup with Oliver in the first timeline isn’t wrong, exactly, but Oliver’s also kind of right when he says this has all come out of nowhere, so it’s again difficult for the audience to fully invest in the characters’ sudden, drastic decisions.

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408 reviews by jbuffyangel and JustAboutWrite (they are not happy)...

 

SWEETHEART, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO US: LEGENDS OF YESTERDAY 4X08 REVIEW
DECEMBER 03, 2015 @ 02:38
http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/134453217538/sweetheart-what-have-you-done-to-us-legends-of

 

Arrow 4x08 "Legends of Yesterday" (Time Travel is Really Hard to Write About)
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http://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/12/arrow-4x08-legends-of-yesterday-time.html

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408 reviews by jbuffyangel and JustAboutWrite (they are not happy)...

 

SWEETHEART, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO US: LEGENDS OF YESTERDAY 4X08 REVIEW

DECEMBER 03, 2015 @ 02:38

http://jbuffyangel.tumblr.com/post/134453217538/sweetheart-what-have-you-done-to-us-legends-of

Huh. For once I agree with her. I mean, I'm not raging about it. But it absolutely is "TV drama bullshit". And this is a little petty, I admit, but it's kind of nice to see her for once not being all "the writers have a perfect plan and it's all going to be great."

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MTV lists its 9 best moments from 408 (even Kayti has trouble putting a good spin on Oliver's decision)...

 

Barry Travels Through Time, But Can’t Fix Oliver’s Love Life In ‘Arrow’
by kayti burt 13h ago
http://www.mtv.com/news/2619105/arrow-the-flash-crossover-review-legends-of-yesterday/

... But those people have their work cut out for them because, currently, Oliver is sabotaging his happiness and it is So. Hard. To. Watch.

 

Was anyone else throwing things at their TV screens during this sequence? Oliver hanging out with his son was adorable and I never want it to stop, but you know this is going to end bad for Olicity. There is such an easy solution in this situation: Oliver should just tell Felicity and lie to Samantha about it. (Am I exposing my own moral failings here?) Or go with the slightly more difficult, and infinitely more mature option of talking this out with Samantha further.
 

But, no, instead he tells Felicity that there is nothing to worry about. That they are back in Star City and it is over now. Even after she gives him a speech about how she wants to be a good teammate! Even as she hugs his weary, conflicted head! You can see it in his face: he wants to tell her. But that’s not how Oliver works. He thinks the truth is complicated — and sometimes it is. But lies always end up being far more complicated in the long run. Oliver should know that by now. Worst. Teammate. Ever. (But also some pretty great angst. )

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Arrow "Legends of Yesterday" Review: Such an Easy (and Fun) Game to Play
By Noel Kirkpatrick 14 hours ago
http://www.tv.com/shows/arrow/community/post/arrow-season-4-episode-8-legends-of-yesterday-review-144873472971/

Oh, some of you are still here. Okay! I've been sort of hoping that this plot would have just been dropped into an abyss since it hadn't been mentioned since last season's crossover, but no such luck. And I get why it hasn't: they spent a sizable amount of time in a Season 2 flashback setting this up and then only dropped a reminder that they hadn't forgotten about it in the crossover; they're invested by this point. While I have very little interest in watching this, a bit of me also admires the sheer restraint the show has exercised in pulling on this particular thread. As Carrie Raisler from the AV Club noted on Twitter when Oliver saw Samantha and William, this has been some soap opera-level slow playing on Arrow's part.

And they are doing it at the best possible time, albeit in the most Arrow-y (read: worst) way possible. Oliver and Felicity are good as a couple, as the new timeline Barry created demonstrated, but as the older timeline Barry wiped away showed, Felicity is still hella (and rightfully) insecure about Oliver keeping secrets. This is a way better rationale for a conflict between them than what we got when she found out Ray was still alive, and it's a way more compelling one. It's just in traditional Arrow fashion, Oliver's keeping his damn mouth shut when he should be calmly and maturely explaining this stuff to Felicity, regardless of what Samantha is saying. Yes, I know, I'm advocating for lying to one woman so Oliver can tell the truth to another, but that's how wildly messed up this storyline already is. And it makes my head really hurt.
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'Arrow' Recap: The Full History of Kendra, Carter and Vandal Savage is Revealed
Derek Stauffer  Wednesday, December 02, 2015
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-recap-arrow-and-the-flas-58235.aspx

This all ends is a stupidly pointless angst filled scene where Felicity confronts Oliver. Oliver acts distant and lies repeatedly. Felicity gets understandably upset and essentially breaks up with Ollie. The biggest casualty of this scene is not Oliver and Felicity's relationship but my eyeballs. They have rolled so far that they fall out of my head.
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This of course just leaves the baby mama drama. Time has been reset but Samantha's dumb rules haven't changed. Barry even affirms them by saying they've changed too much already. So Oliver agrees to Samantha's terms. He will be a part of William's life but not tell anyone about the boy. Essentially we are just delaying the big Felicity break up scene then because that is all something we want to see...
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