Carole Radziwill: She's a Real Princess!

[ryebread]

Gets a boyfriend? Did Heather and her husband break up?

Nothing has been announced but I have a hunch. I hope I'm wrong.

[KFC]

That's a pretty large leap to make, considering we don't even know that's she's split with her husband. I love speculating on the HWs machinations as much as the next person, but sometimes these theories are crazier than the antics on the actual show.

 

And besides, Heather and Carole have both said they're actual friends outside of RHONY, and in their case, I definitely believe it. We don't really know any of these women, and I've seen nothing to indicate their friendship is anything less than authentic, regardless of the fact that it was forged via "reality" television. It's one of the few relationships on the show that seems completely legit to me.

Edited November 10, 2014 by KFC

[ryebread]

I love speculating on the HWs machinations as much as the next person, but sometimes these theories are crazier than the antics on the actual show.

 

Nah. A crazy theory would be that the U.S. Government is going to pardon Teresa because she's too much of a national treasure to hide away at college. 

 

Heather becoming a single lady in the coming future? Not crazy at all. Lots of our housewives across the franchises wind up single. Doesn't even seem unusual anymore.  Anyway, part of the fun for me is reading between the lines on their social media accounts.  Lots of clues if you're looking for them.  Like you, I love to speculate.  But I realize that someone I might find fun to snark, and speculate, on might be someone else's favorite, so not so much for them.

 

FWIW, I do believe that Carole and Heather are true friends IRL.  For now.

[jinjer]

I would imagine that Jonathon in effect being called a p*ssy on national tv must have put some strain on their marriage.  I didn't like his whole, " For my birthday she promised a threesome."  But otherwise, I kind of liked him.  He kept a low profile.  

 

Sometimes having it pointed out that your wife runs ramshod over you makes you start to notice that she does, in fact, run the show.  It may have started to annoy him.  Who knows.  But she did wipe him clean from her twitter profile.  Maybe that was because she didn't want to drag him into the drama of this season after what happened last year.

[Grneyedldy]

I think it would depend on why Heather uses Twitter/Facebook/social media, etc. Is it just to promote her business? To Brand herself? Or is it mostly for communicating with family and friends?

If it's just for promoting herself.....then I could see her keeping Jonathan out of the fray. We all know how ugly the "fans" can get with Reality "Stars". Though I think it's too late. We all know who he is now. And yes, he did too also sign up for this gig. If Heather and Jonathan thought they could only use this show for their own means and not suffer any consequences then they are fools and naive. Though I do think some of the crap can just be brushed off and requires a thick skin.

I hope they have not split.

Edited November 11, 2014 by Grneyedldy

[ScoobieDoobs]

We all know how ugly the "fans" can get with Reality "Stars".

 

Very true, but Jonathon was never anything other than sweet & nice.  Who in the world would ever say anything even remotely negative about him -- other than Moaner, that is?

 

I agree that Carole's & Heather's friendship does seem real, but we know the history on Housewives & it doesn't bode well for real friendships.  And yet, Moaner's & Sonja's friendship seems to be going strong.  Er, just as long as Sonja doesn't go homeless & hit Moaner up for food, money & a place to stay.

Edited November 11, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[Trooper York]

I hope that Jonathan does what is best for his sanity and what is best for his kid.

I seriously doubt that would include hanging around the shitstorm this season will bring.

I can not think of a single husband who participated in a Housewives show that enhanced his reputation and good name. That is why the smart ones like Harry Hamlin stay as far away as they can.

Good for him if he opts out now. Better late than never.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I hope that Jonathan does what is best for his sanity and what is best for his kid.

 

I seriously doubt that would include hanging around the shitstorm this season will bring.

 

Agreed,  We know how vicious B can be.  Jonathon is just a sweet nice guy.  And B hates nice people.  Oh I don't know that for a fact.  I'm just assuming she eats nice people up every day & pukes 'em back up.  Dat's how she stays so skinny.  So yeah, stay far away from this shit, Jonathon.  Cuz I still predict B is gonna break Carole's brittle bones & Heather's gonna go after B to protect her.  Then B's skeery fangs will come out in full force.  Eek!

[Grneyedldy]

Who did Bethenny chew up and spit out? LuAnn after LuAnn got in the middle of B and Jill's fight? Kelly after Kelly repeatedly poked her and put her down? Now yes, she was snarky to Alex and Simon, but later became friends with them.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Guess nobody except Kells,  But I want my entertainment so I'm hopin' she does.

[jinjer]

I think Bobby Zarin was very smart with the HWs.  He only signed daily releases, not season long ones.  He never seemed to lose his head, even with all of Jill's whines about mean tweets.

[Trooper York]

Bobby did better than most but there is no doubt that the show had a negative effect on his business. I know several people who decided to use a different fabric wholesaler so as not to have anything to do with Jill.

Jonathan looked like a nice guy but someone who was pushed around by his wife. What was portrayed on the show was not a partnership. He needs to remove himself from it totally. Perhaps that is what happened on social media.

It is the smart thing to do.

[jaync]

That is why the smart ones like Harry Hamlin stay as far away as they can.

Hamlin is shown (and talked about) in the BH's season preview, so he obviously didn't put that much effort into staying away. Tommy Manzo would be a much better example of actually accomplishing that, imo.

 

What was portrayed on the show was not a partnership.

How so, because of the one scene of Heather telling John to "please" stay out of her argument with Flapjacks? Other than that one incident, I don't recall anything being shown on the show (which is all we can go by) that would conclusively point to Heather and John's marriage being anything other than a seemingly solid, equal partnership that works for them.

[Trooper York]

If brushing him off like he was a fly buzzing in her ear is evidence of a partnership well than OK then. Even a  self involved, narcissistic dimwit like Ramona picked up the fact that she treats her husband like Luann treats the help.

 

The way Heather is portrayed doesn't make it appear that she could be a partner with anyone. She is driving the bus and you need to get on like Carole or get run over like Aviva or Kristen when she gets out of line and doesn't do what Heather wants. 

 

I guess the proof will be in the pudding this season. If we never see a glimpse of Jonathan than we will know that he opted out. We can only speculate about the reason.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Trooper York

[jaync]

If brushing him off like he was a fly buzzing in her ear is evidence of a partnership well than OK then.

One incident isn't definitive evidence that it isn't one, neither.

 

Even a  self involved, narcissistic dimwit like Ramona picked up the fact that she treats her husband like Luann treats the help.

Ramona also said that she never even notices John (because he's not a shiny piece of studness like Mario), so I'm not sure why her perception of his marriage would automatically be fact.

[motorcitymom65]

I think it would depend on why Heather uses Twitter/Facebook/social media, etc. Is it just to promote her business? To Brand herself? Or is it mostly for communicating with family and friends?

If it's just for promoting herself.....then I could see her keeping Jonathan out of the fray. We all know how ugly the "fans" can get with Reality "Stars". Though I think it's too late. We all know who he is now. And yes, he did too also sign up for this gig. If Heather and Jonathan thought they could only use this show for their own means and not suffer any consequences then they are fools and naive. Though I do think some of the crap can just be brushed off and requires a thick skin.

I hope they have not split.

As long as I have paid attention to Heather on Twitter there is very little personal stuff on there. She seems to use it mostly to promote her business. She tweets about physical fitness, fashion, and calls attention to the events she is attending. She also posts a lot of pictures of the HW's. As far as I am aware, there has never been much there about her kids or husband (there is some stuff, but just not much). FB is pretty much the same, although if you look through the pictures, there are plenty of Johathan, but they are a very small percentage of what she posts. I am the same way. No one visiting my FB page would know more than the fact that I am married with two kids. They wouldn't know their names or how old they are. My kids both think FB is offensive and intrusive, as does my husband, and I have never posted a picture of any of them, nor do I talk about them at all on social media. No funny stories, no pictures of Prom or graduation. This is what they prefer and I roll with it. Clearly Heather doesn't go to this extreme, as they have all been in the public eye on the show. It is just possible that she uses Social Media as more of a marketing tool. 

[Grneyedldy]

Thanks motorcitymom. I don't twitter and I've never been to her Facebook, but I assumed she's using them (and the show) for marketing. I hope for her it pays off and not at the expense of her family.

Edited November 13, 2014 by Grneyedldy

[Rhetorica]

ryebread,

I'm sorry, I'm trying to read Princess Radziwell's book but I just can't stay with it. I hear her voice reading to me and it has the same effect as Mr.Rogers when I watch his neighborhood with my kids...

[ryebread]

ryebread,

I'm sorry, I'm trying to read Princess Radziwell's book but I just can't stay with it. I hear her voice reading to me and it has the same effect as Mr.Rogers when I watch his neighborhood with my kids...

 

I appreciate your valiant attempt.  Perhaps her long awaited Book of Essays will be an easier read.  When is that coming out, again??

[ryebread]

If brushing him off like he was a fly buzzing in her ear is evidence of a partnership well than OK then.

Ramona also said that she never even notices John (because he's not a shiny piece of studness like Mario), so I'm not sure why her perception of his marriage would automatically be fact.

Ramona is a nut but she calls 'em like she sees 'em.  Like she did with Bethenny on the bridge.  Not nice but she nailed it.  I think she spends enough time with these women to know a lot about what makes them tick.  So when she said that Heather is bossy with Jon and wears the pants in that family or whatever she said to Kristen in the bedroom, I believe there's some truth there.  Heather being bossy may very well be the way Jon likes it and he might be okay with everyone knowing it.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Heather being bossy may very well be the way Jon likes it and he might be okay with everyone knowing it.

 

 

Yeah, some men like strong women.  What little we've seen of Heather & Jon, they seem happy.  Moaner may have had a point about him, but it was a really mean thing to say.  She knew it was mean when it came out of her mouth.  Does she like it when when people say mean things bout her?  No.  She wants it shut down.  Pure Moaner.  She may be entertaining but I can't stand the thoughtless bee-otch.  I like Jon.  He's a sweet nice guy & a great dad.  We saw that when he was with his daughter at Carole's party.  In a sea of douchebags & slimeballs like Mario, Harry & Reid, he's a nice change.  Whether it's his decision or Heather's (or both of them) for him to stay away from the show, it's a good decision cuz Satan Andy would certainly continue to make him look bad.

Edited November 13, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[Lisin]

I know we went off on a bit of a tangent relating to Ramona and Heather but lets try to bring this back to the topic of Carole, all the Housewives have their own topic, so if you want to keep talking about Ramona or Heather you can do it there. Thank you! 

[Trooper York]

I for one agree with you 100%.

 

Let's get back to bashing Carole.

 

I hear that she even sends her veneers out to be brightened by someone else. They call that person a Ghost-whitener.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Better watch out, Troop. Heather is gonna find ya & beat yo ass.

Edited November 13, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[Trooper York]

I have actually met her in person. She was very nice. Of course she was trying to sell me something so there is that.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Yummie Tummie? I wondered if it's sorta insulting for her to start shilling that shit to any random people she meets. It does insinuate you need -- er, "fat binding underwear" (as Veevs so charmingly put it). Um, not exactly flattering. OK, OK, I'll tie this back into Carole. I wonder if she's gonna start shilling the Yummie crap too.

No surprise the topic easily gets off Carole here. She's a fuckin' bore.

[jinjer]

YT was on Gilt today.  Is that a bad sign?

 

I can't figure Carole out.  I don't think she actually needs Heather to fight her battles.  I think she may be using Heather to be the bad guy.  Heather is coming across as a bully/bossy and Carole is gliding by.  Heather is doing the dirty work.  Carole dresses up in her "wacky" outfits and skates while her nemesis get taken care of.

[Trooper York]

I own a women's clothing store. It was at a trade show before she was on Housewives.

Not to say I don't need shape wear. I am a fat bastard.

It is just that Spanx is much better. Just sayn'

Lucky for Carole that she doesn't need Spanx.

Just a sandwich.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Or even a cookie crumb.

Edited November 14, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[ryebread]

Every time I see a commercial for Bravo's Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce, it feels like a rip off of Carole's Widow's Guide to Sex and Dating.

 

I wonder if the name aggravates her.  Bravo naming their series that, makes Carole's title less unique.  And could potentially cause confusion if her TV deal ever materialized.  Whatever happened to that deal?  Where're her essays?

[ryebread]

And in other news, Radzi and Heather now have matching friendship rings to go with their friendship bracelets. 

http://instagram.com/p/vWUCxXjrcy/

[Almost 3000]

Every time I see a commercial for Bravo's Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce, it feels like a rip off of Carole's Widow's Guide to Sex and Dating.

 

I wonder if the name aggravates her.  Bravo naming their series that, makes Carole's title less unique.  And could potentially cause confusion if her TV deal ever materialized.  Whatever happened to that deal?  Where're her essays?

Well, it isn't the first time and won't be the last Bravo has copied a popular show like "Desperate Housewives" which this series is more closely resembling every season with the desperate part but missing the black (and lighter) humor of the original show. Frankly it reeeeally looks like "Guide" is a bit of a Carole rip off.

[jaync]

http://instagram.com/p/vWUCxXjrcy/

Lookin' fly, ladies.

[ryebread]

Lookin' fly, ladies.

They look cute together.

[tulip555]

What do ya bet B is planning her attack on Carole now?  Go get da bitch, B.  Snap her anorexic bones like the twigs they are.   I so want B to bring out the mean in Carole.  Not a hard thing to do.  Veevs was able to do it.  But it didn't work cuz everyone hated Veevs cuz she was evil & horrible -- and a desperate idiot.  B, on the other hand is cunning & clever.  Something Veevs knows nothing about.  Oh, I just have a feeling this is the season Carole is gonna go down.  Fun!

I look forward to that

[ryebread]

This is why I enjoy trolling her Twitter pages - discovered that Carole and her girls just love telling secrets!!  Precious. #stupidbehavior #loveitall

 

http://instagram.com/p/uzCFn_DQSE/

http://instagram.com/p/vKj81DjQb2/

 

Bonus giggle:  Kelly's expression.

 

 

[ryebread]

Maybe she saw Carrie Bradshaw do it or something.  I honestly don't know.  I almost want to believe it *is* some kind of campaign (like No H8 or an anti-bullying thing) that people like me, in the flyover states are always the last to hear about.

 

But somehow, I think it's just Carole trying to act precious.  Or 12. 

[quaintirene]

I don't see the essays on amazon which means they don't have a cover which means the book won't be out anytime soon.  However I did find this:  http://www.amazon.com/Madcap-Tales-Year-Real-Housewives/dp/1481086189/ref=asap_B001ITVOF2_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418132393&sr=1-3  Which I didn't know about.  Sounds liked she pulled her blogs together and self-published them.

 

But, Carole, self-publishing is so....uncool!

 

As for the 'Girlfriend's Guide' 'The Widow's Guide...' is hardly breathtakingly original.  It's possible the title was ripped off.  But you can't copyright a title, so hey!

 

And like a couple of you, I am so looking forward to Bethenny Frankel ripping Carole a new one.  What do you think is the anal version of vejazzling?  Bumboozling?  I strongly believe Carole will be Bumboozled...

Edited December 9, 2014 by quaintirene

[MatildaMoody]

 

And like a couple of you, I am so looking forward to Bethenny Frankel ripping Carole a new one.

For the life of me, I can't figure out a scenario in which this would happen. Has there been some major gossip that I haven't heard about yet? Because I can't see Carol starting anything with Bethenny, and Bethenny has never been the one to instigate confrontations. So what would cause this to happen?

[ryebread]

I don't see the essays on amazon which means they don't have a cover which means the book won't be out anytime soon.  However I did find this:  http://www.amazon.com/Madcap-Tales-Year-Real-Housewives/dp/1481086189/ref=asap_B001ITVOF2_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418132393&sr=1-3  Which I didn't know about.  Sounds liked she pulled her blogs together and self-published them.

Whoa. Good find!  I can't believe she doesn't have that beauty listed on her website.  Well, actually I can see why she might want to keep it a secret.  Maybe that's what all the whispering is about.

Edited December 9, 2014 by ryebread

[jaync]

Has there been some major gossip that I haven't heard about yet?

I'm also curious, because it's being stated as if there was an actual incident that was filmed, as opposed to wishful thinking.

[ryebread]

For the life of me, I can't figure out a scenario in which this would happen. Has there been some major gossip that I haven't heard about yet? Because I can't see Carol starting anything with Bethenny, and Bethenny has never been the one to instigate confrontations. So what would cause this to happen?

 

Actually, I see more of a potential skirmish happening between Holla and Beth.  Two loud-mouthed,Type A's both shilling products.  But something that could cause tension between Carole and Beth?  Imo, Carole is a poseur.  A poseur of epic proportion.  And Beth doesn't suffer fools gladly.  Let the chiding begin. 

[ryebread]

I'm also curious, because it's being stated as if there was an actual incident that was filmed, as opposed to wishful thinking.

I don't see anyone stating anything as fact.  Lots of wishful thinking though.  Which I think is only borne from Bethenny's history for poking fun at anything she finds ridiculous.  And Carole, for some of us, is plenty ridiculous. 

[jaync]

I don't see anyone stating anything as fact. 

"...I am so looking forward to Bethenny Frankel ripping Carole a new one."

Sounds pretty point-blank to me, as there's no mention of hoping or wishing. YMMV.

[quaintirene]

I don't know that Bethenny will for sure go after Carole.  Although I strongly suspect that she might.  Carole has skated quite a bit, and to someone like Bethenny--who has a real nose for pretension--she would be low-hanging fruit.  Also I don't think Carole is too bright whereas I do think Bethenny is smart and knows how to get up and keep up a possible attention-and-ratings-getting situation.  However, for the benefit of sticklers I will be sure to add 'I hope' and 'maybe' and 'perhaps' to similar posts in future in order not to start unfounded rumours :) 

[MatildaMoody]

Actually, I see more of a potential skirmish happening between Holla and Beth.  Two loud-mouthed,Type A's both shilling products.  But something that could cause tension between Carole and Beth?  Imo, Carole is a poseur.  A poseur of epic proportion.  And Beth doesn't suffer fools gladly.  Let the chiding begin. 

 

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but I think the stars would really have to align for there to even be a skirmish Heather and Bethenny. At least as it concerns current filming. Yes, they are both aggressive women who speak their mind and both are trying to use the show to hustle their wares, but I think something major would have to happen for the two to even actively argue with each other. 

 

Otherwise, we would see Bethenny snarking in talking heads or responding to attacks. Heather seems to only attack when she feels her friends, business, or family need to be defended. So, I would be very interested in any scenario in which we would see a full on confrontation/fight between the two. Maybe if the rumors about Bethenny not getting along with Kristen are true, we might see some type of skirmish between Beth and Heather? Like Heather would want to don her cape and come to Kristen's defense?

[jinjer]

I think season 1 (maybe 1 and done?) Bethenny will bide her time and make her snark in a talking head or as an aside and the others won't be able to do anything about it except seethe when the season airs.  The fireworks may not come until the reunion.  If Bethenny comes back next season, then there may be conflict.  I mean, I do think Bethenny will find Carole snarkable.  Heather too with the Holla! crap unless Bethenny has some self-awareness and realize she is looking in the mirror with that crap!

[ryebread]

Otherwise, we would see Bethenny snarking in talking heads or responding to attacks. Heather seems to only attack when she feels her friends, business, or family need to be defended. So, I would be very interested in any scenario in which we would see a full on confrontation/fight between the two.

But maybe the Beth of Old, the one who mainly snarked in talking heads or when responding to attacks has grown a bigger set of offensive (and defensive) balls since we've seen her last. This time, she has less to lose by letting her bitch flag fly.  She's rich beyond my wildest dreams and has swallowed some bitter pills since she was a RHONY.  I wager she's not the same person. Just because she behaved one way in prior seasons doesn't mean she's going to be that way during this one.  I'd love to see a reverse Camille Grammer effect.  Heck, which one of the Hos hasn't tried to switch up their personalities from one season to the next?  Either by themselves or with producer intervention.  But it could go the other way, too.  Beth may be sweet as pie this time around and be happy to let Heather be the Chief Head Kahuna, Speaker of the House(wives). But wishful thinking makes me hope not.

 

Maybe if the rumors about Bethenny not getting along with Kristen are true, we might see some type of skirmish between Beth and Heather? Like Heather would want to don her cape and come to Kristen's defense?

This is the scenario in which I see Heather coming to Carole's defense and causing a ruckus with Beth.  I didn't think about it being Kristen because I just don't think about Kristen at all.  At least a dust up between Beth and Kristen would give Kristen a story line.

[quaintirene]

 

I didn't think about it being Kristen because I just don't think about Kristen at all.  At least a dust up between Beth and Kristen would give Kristen a story line.

Kristin?  Who's Kristin?  There was a Kristin on the show?

[jaync]

However, for the benefit of sticklers I will be sure to add 'I hope' and 'maybe' and 'perhaps' to similar posts in future in order not to start unfounded rumours :) 

Didn't mean to come off as pedantic, but I honestly thought you had some inside scoop or knowledge (that you might share, hee).

Edited December 10, 2014 by jaync