Bethenny & Jason: The Divorce Showdown

[RedheadZombie]

28 minutes ago, the killer said:

Well said. As a citizen, I can also presume what I want. I presume that Bethenny is the worst person in the history of the world. If she got in a dispute with oh I don't know.......Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy or Kim Jong-un or Saddam Hussein.......I would have to take their side over Bethenny's. It is just that simple. She is the pits of the world.

I wonder what the family members of the millions upon millions of victims of these serial killers and mass murderers would think about this statement.  

[smores]

Yes, people do get them against creditors.  Using that as an example, if I owed a debt to someone and they put it in collections, if I tell the collections agency that they are not to contact me again and they contact me again, they are breaking the law.  I can sue them and collect money for each time they contact me after I told them not to.  So, B serving Jason with a C&D and then him continuing to contact her results in him facing penalties, in this case harassment charges.  

[film noire]

18 minutes ago, smores said:

 So, B serving Jason with a C&D and then him continuing to contact her results in him facing penalties, in this case harassment charges.  

I never thought a C & D letter had the same power as a restraining order. I thought the letter (in non intellectual property matters) was a warning that legal action might be started against you, if you didn't stop behavior X;  not that continuing the behavior meant the law would automatically slap charges on the person receiving the C & D letter. Bethenny can certainly point to it as part of the harassment, but the letter doesn't have the force of law, just b/c it was sent.

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[smores]

I think you're right, it's not an automatic guarantee that you'd get harassment charges.  I meant it more as in this case, that was the result.  But, if someone serves me with a C&D, I'd check with a lawyer before proceeding with whatever they said I shouldn't be doing, to make sure I wasn't running the risk of getting some sort of repercussion.  If for some reason the lawyer felt that the C&D was a load of crap and I was fine with whatever I was doing, then I'd have them draft a reply to it, so I was as covered as I could be there.  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

6 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Its is not Gramps residence.  It was also a place of work for B.  I cannot have guests visit me at my place of business and walk around in their underpants and tank.  They needed to show some decorum.  It wasn't just Jason's home, it was Bethenny's, Brynn's and had a home office.  My grandfather didn't wander around in his boxers while we were staying at his house nor did he wander around ours like that when visiting.  Just because Jason's parents SEEMED nice to some and are older does not mean they are immune from being assholes.  

 

6 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

And his guests needed to be dressed appropriately because like it or not work WAS happening there.  It seems like someone could have filed some docs about sexual harassment because some weird unrelated man is wandering around their place of business in their underpants.  The office was in a residence but was the craft table he was taking munchies from located at the shoot or in the private space?  Guests at my work have to behave like they are in a place of work.  If Jason and his parents didn't like it they could have gone out for the day.

Like it or not? Work was happening there? So that's priority?  Put the shoe on the other foot. Like it or not Jason's enjoyment of his residence is equally and equitably allowed. They're the same. Her workspace. His living space. If Bethenny didn't like it she could work out of a rental space. Or go out for the day. 

3 hours ago, Jel said:

I can't believe there's any disagreement about whether or not it was "okay" for old man Hoppy to lounge around his son and daughter-in-law's apartment in his boxers and T!

What proof is there that anyone was even there when this happened ? B is such a friggin exaggerator that I can imagine the following.... everyone left, leaving the food behind . Jason and his dad snacked . Bethenny or an assistant came back because she forgot something and came upon the boxers scene. Next thing you know it's hysteria that they are running around in front of 15 staffers . 

It is also possible that he was in that attire for a valid reason, maybe he was in NYC for a medical procedure . It's possible . Bethenny is a lying liar who lies. 

[ZoloftBlob]

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Bethenny is a lying liar who lies. 

Agreed. Frankly, I don't know any human being who hasn't lied but Bethenny  certainly has the flaw.

Jason insisted he was part owner of the apartment. Lengthy expensive legal wrangling later, guess who lied? Jason!

I hope, because it's just unhealthy, that Jason hasn't committed a crime. But if he has, then he did and he needs to own it and I am already very tired of the "Bethenny lies so she deserves to be the victim of crimes" reasoning, especially when it's not applied to Jason, who did indeed lie about his interest and ownership in the apartment.

I'm still waiting to hear how the other people deserved to see Jason and Daddy Hoppy in their underclothes and why the parents, and children going to the public school deserved to witness Jason spew his rage.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I believe the cease and desist letter just serves as proof Jason was put on notice that his communications were unwanted and considered harassment, which bolsters Bethenny's case.  It's not proof his emails were harassment. That is a more subjective issue to be determined by the jury.

 

5 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

 

Like it or not? Work was happening there? So that's priority?  Put the shoe on the other foot. Like it or not Jason's enjoyment of his residence is equally and equitably allowed. They're the same. Her workspace. His living space. If Bethenny didn't like it she could work out of a rental space. Or go out for the day. 

What proof is there that anyone was even there when this happened ? 

Well, it seems that someone must have been there or else why did anyone claim it happened? I suppose Bethenny just fabricated the entire thing. Everything she says is a total lie, lol.

 Seriously though, why does Jason's right to lounge about in his underdrawers trump Bethenny's right to conduct business in her apartment in a dignified fashion? Maybe if Jason and his father felt the need to lounge about in their unmentionables they are the ones who should have found someplace else to do so. It seems a little unfair to expect Bethenny to relocate her entire base of operations just so that they can saunter around in panties. Her business was what was paying the bills, after all.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

3 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I believe the cease and desist letter just serves as proof Jason was put on notice that his communications were unwanted and considered harassment, which bolsters Bethenny's case.  It's not proof his emails were harassment. That is a more subjective issue to be determined by the jury.

 

Well, it seems that someone must have been there or else why did anyone claim it happened? I suppose Bethenny just fabricated the entire thing. Everything she says is a total lie, lol.

 Seriously though, why does Jason's right to lounge about in his underdrawers trump Bethenny's right to conduct business in her apartment in a dignified fashion? Maybe if Jason and his father felt the need to lounge about in their unmentionables they are the ones who should have found someplace else to do so. It seems a little unfair to expect Bethenny to relocate her entire base of operations just so that they can saunter around in panties. Her business was what was paying the bills, after all.

It doesn't trump Bethenny's right. As I said upthread, it's the same. His home. Her office. Same enjoyment legally. Again, why is it incumbent upon Jason to leave? Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

What proof is there this even happened with anyone besides them in the apartment?

[ZoloftBlob]

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Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

But a) Sr. Hoppy wasn't a convalescent and therefore what if he was is pure speculation and b) Jason certainly wasn't in convalescent care and certainly didn't need to be in his underwear in order to care for someone in convalescent care. Or are we now debating that Jason was ill to where he was a convalescent and couldn't manage more than boxers?

[Celia Rubenstein]

I personally feel that it would be sufficient reason to be offended even if I was the only one in the apartment without any staff there, but that's just me.

 Even giving it the most charitable read possible, as you suggest, couldn't Jason have just brought the old man a platter of sammiches in his bed if he was in such dire physical shape ? Or could the old guy at least pull on a robe, LOL? 

 I have to stand by my original point - unless this was something that happened all the time, it just seems designed to offend.

ETA- Zoloft makes a good point ... Jason was surely not convalescing, which undercuts the idea that this was some kind of health related situation LOL Good point, Zoloftblob

Edited June 30, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein

[film noire]

Clearly, we need drinks in this thread, too ; )

~gonna get every last one of you sonja drunk and then you'll ALL show me your undies.

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[KungFuBunny]

12 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

It doesn't trump Bethenny's right. As I said upthread, it's the same. His home. Her office. Same enjoyment legally. Again, why is it incumbent upon Jason to leave? Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

What proof is there this even happened with anyone besides them in the apartment?

AMF you crack me up!

I thought both Jason and his dad were walking around the apartment in their underwear. So were they both afflicted with the same injury? Was it a hereditary condition? Did they both suffer from NeedToAerateTheScrotumItus?

Bwahahahaha

[Jel]

40 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

 

Like it or not? Work was happening there? So that's priority?  Put the shoe on the other foot. Like it or not Jason's enjoyment of his residence is equally and equitably allowed. They're the same. Her workspace. His living space. If Bethenny didn't like it she could work out of a rental space. Or go out for the day. 

What proof is there that anyone was even there when this happened ? B is such a friggin exaggerator that I can imagine the following.... everyone left, leaving the food behind . Jason and his dad snacked . Bethenny or an assistant came back because she forgot something and came upon the boxers scene. Next thing you know it's hysteria that they are running around in front of 15 staffers . 

It is also possible that he was in that attire for a valid reason, maybe he was in NYC for a medical procedure . It's possible . Bethenny is a lying liar who lies. 

He was in NYC for a medical procedure after which the doctor insisted he flounce around his son and daughter-in-law's home in his underpants? Sounds plausible!

"The boxers scene"  -- is that from Dante?

ETA: Or, is it the first three minutes of Sexy Swingin' Seniors Take Manhatten?

Edited June 30, 2017 by Jel

[smores]

If they had been out there in pajamas (like, classic men's pajamas, tops and bottoms), then I'd be like, well, it's tacky, but, whatever.  But, to just be in boxers and t shirts? Definitely tacky, but it's a no.  If one had some sort of reason that they couldn't put pants on, then they could manage a robe.  If they can't do that, then they must be bad enough that they can't get out of bed and risk flopping their junk next to the bagels on the craft services table.

Look, if he'd been in the hospital, they'd have given him a robe (or another hospital gown to wear backwards) to cover his ass up, so I think it's only reasonable to do so when you are in someone else's house.  I don't care if Papa Hoppy tools around like that in Casa Hoppy in Scranton, when you're at someone else's house, you cover up, if you have any kind of dignity.  

[Jel]

Doctor: Mr. Hoppy, you do understand that your remaining in your underpants is of the utmost importance? Your very recovery depends on it! That means all lingering, loitering, lounging, chatting, eating, interacting must be done IN YOUR UNDERWEAR. There can be no deviation from this plan! Your RECOVERY, Sir, YOUR RECOVERY!

23 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

It doesn't trump Bethenny's right. As I said upthread, it's the same. His home. Her office. Same enjoyment legally. Again, why is it incumbent upon Jason to leave? Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

What proof is there this even happened with anyone besides them in the apartment?

This is, without a doubt, the single greatest "explanation" I have ever read for why old man Hoppy would be pantsless. A+

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

I believe Jason would dress like that anywhere anytime in front of anyone.  He's a small town jock to has seen a lot of locker rooms. 

His dad though ? I believe he wouldn't be that casual with others around.  So he would've had a reason. Like coming into the city for medical treatments. Cellulitis,  lower GI etc could need the comfort of loose or reduced clothing .   I live in a place where people do that all the time to get better doctors or healthcare so it was a thought as to why.  That's where I'm coming from. Why do you all think they'd dress inappropriately in your estimation ? 

If you have a different opinion please share that instead of mocking me. 

Thank you for pointing out that the boxers incident was testimony . Did the testimony detail who if anyone was present for their (in many opinions) inappropriate attire??

Edited June 30, 2017 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[smores]

I married someone who is from a town in the same region as the one Jason is from.  Please believe me when I tell you that people aren't just running around in their boxers and t shirts all over the place there.  In all the pics we have ever seen of Jason, he has had on pants or some sort of appropriate outer garment.  Whenever he's appeared on tv, he also wore something.  

The only reason I can see for this behavior is to be a dick.  

[ZoloftBlob]

Wait - you were complaining at me earlier that the boxers incident never happened.

Now you're claiming Sr. Hoppy was in underwear because of a medical incident (and offer no reason why Hoppy Jr. would need to be in underpants)

Pick a side please. Either you believe it never happened because Bethenny lies, or you believe it did happen but that there's some medical reason for grown men to not dress when non family members are in their home. You can't pick both.

[breezy424]

Well, let's go back to what Beth supposedly said.  According to the Daily News, she said:

“His father would be at the apartment in his underwear and a tank top,” Frankel said, recounting one incident where Hoppy and his dad both emerged in their skivvies when she was having a photo shoot done at the Tribeca pad to help themselves to the crew’s buffet.

This is the only report that mentions it that I can find.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/lawyers-bethenny-frankel-estranged-husband-battle-custody-trial-article-1.1808281

So I don't even know if there was more than one incident.  I don't know what the circumstances were as to time of day, etc.  The problem for me is that if you look at the layout of the apartment, you have to go through the central living room to go anywhere and that's where the skinnygirl bar was.  She also doesn't say that this was in front of a photo crew.  All she says is that they helped themselves to the crew's buffet.

Now, I'm not a fan of people walking around in a pair of boxers but it's really no different than Beth walking around in just a bra and we just saw that a few weeks ago.  And I'm not a fan of that either, even if it's just women.  Oh wait.  Were all the camera people and producers female?

Oh.  And wait again.  That was filmed for 'anyone' to see.

Edited June 30, 2017 by breezy424

[QuinnM]

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Thank you for pointing out that the boxers incident was testimony . Did the testimony detail who if anyone was present for their (in many opinions) inappropriate attire??

Yes, the people managing the shoot.  The reporting on the testimony said that.  So they would have been called as witnesses.  But we'll never know cuz Jason settled.  Probably because he realized he had put his parents in the middle.

For everyone wondering - not all groups of photographers etc have craft services.  I was told once that the gaffer's union has really specific requirements and everyone else just says 'We'll need a gaffer.'  That way they get breaks, lunch time and craft services.  

So Jason and his dad were grazing on food brought in for the crew on the shoot.  

[Jel]

6 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I believe Jason would dress like that anywhere anytime in front of anyone.  He's a small town jock to has seen a lot of locker rooms. 

His dad though ? I believe he wouldn't be that casual with others around.  So he would've had a reason. Like coming into the city for medical treatments. Cellulitis,  lower GI etc could need the comfort of loose or reduced clothing .   I live in a place where people do that all the time to get better doctors or healthcare so it was a thought as to why.  That's where I'm coming from. Why do you all think they'd dress inappropriately in your estimation ? 

If you have a different opinion please share that instead of mocking me. 

Thank you for pointing out that the boxers incident was testimony . Did the testimony detail who if anyone was present for their (in many opinions) inappropriate attire??

Why do *I* think they'd dress like that?  Passive aggression.

(I did not realize you were seriously suggesting recovery from a colonoscopy as a reason for him to be dressed like that.  Seriously, how about some sweat pants in that case? Athletic shorts? PJs?)

5 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Well, let's go back to what Beth supposedly said.  According to the Daily News, she said:

“His father would be at the apartment in his underwear and a tank top,” Frankel said, recounting one incident where Hoppy and his dad both emerged in their skivvies when she was having a photo shoot done at the Tribeca pad to help themselves to the crew’s buffet.

This is the only report that mentions it that I can find.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/lawyers-bethenny-frankel-estranged-husband-battle-custody-trial-article-1.1808281

So I don't even know if there was more than one incident.  I don't know what the circumstances were as to time of day, etc.  The problem for me is that if you look at the layout of the apartment, you have to go through the central living room to go anywhere and that's where the skinnygirl bar was.  She also doesn't say that this was in front of a photo crew.  All she says is that they helped themselves to the crew's buffet.

Now, I'm not a fan of people walking around in a pair of boxers but it's really no different than Beth walking around in just a bra and we just saw that a few weeks ago.  And I'm not a fan of that either, even if it's just women.  Oh wait.  Were all the camera people and producers female?

Oh.  And wait again.  That was filmed for 'anyone' to see.

To help themselves to the crew's buffet!  Change that to "buffet" and now we've got a 18A rating!

[breezy424]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Yes, the people managing the shoot.  The reporting on the testimony said that.  So they would have been called as witnesses.  But we'll never know cuz Jason settled.  Probably because he realized he had put his parents in the middle.

For everyone wondering - not all groups of photographers etc have craft services.  I was told once that the gaffer's union has really specific requirements and everyone else just says 'We'll need a gaffer.'  That way they get breaks, lunch time and craft services.  

So Jason and his dad were grazing on food brought in for the crew on the shoot.  

Do you have a link for that.  I can't find anything that says the people managing the shoot were there at the time.

Heck, if food is brought into my home for whatever reason, I have every right to graze it.  Was there a sign that said 'crew only'?

Not directly specifically at you but what is the difference between Jason and his father supposedly in their skivvies in Jason's home and Beth parading around just wearing a bra and pants?  On national TV.  And please, it was the marital home at the time and Jason had every right to be there as well as his invited guests - his parents. Who BTW are his child's grandparents.

Edited June 30, 2017 by breezy424

[the killer]

Testimony is good. Testimony is valid. Testimony is a good benchmark about what we can believe.

Wasn't this testimony during the divorce.? Didn't Bethenny settle after her testimony but before Jason got to testify? For some unknown reason or other. Did Jason's lawyer get to cross examine her? I confess I don't know if he did. Does anyone else know if Jason's lawyers got to ask her questions under oath.

I bet that they won't get to ask her questions under oath this time. Watch and see.

[QuinnM]

Just now, breezy424 said:

Not directly specifically at you but what is the difference between Jason and his father supposedly in their skivvies in Jason's home and Beth parading around just wearing a bra and

Depends on what they were going for in the case against Jason.  The opening statement from his attorney said she was a bad mother, didn't care about Bryan other than as a prop for her alcohol business.  The opening statement from her attorney said that Jason and his parents had engaged in harassment and made her living in her house untenable.  It also talked about Jason threatening her and engaging in alienation of affection with Bryn.  

So I'm thinking that was what her testimony was.  It may all be that she was looking to document why she couldn't maintain the residence.  That would allow her to move to her own apartment without jeopardizing her legal claim on the TriBeCa.  Then she could stop with the hotels.

But I'm guessing.  Because Jason settled before she even finished her testimony we don't get a cross exam or supporting witnesses.

[the killer]

Jason didn't settle. Bethenny settled. Jason accepted her settlement. Jason wanted to testify but Bethenny stopped that. She only wanted her assertions on the record.

It won't work that way this time.

That is why the case will be dropped or thrown out by the judge when they don't produce the evidence.

[QuinnM]

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Jason didn't settle. Bethenny settled. Jason accepted her settlement. Jason wanted to testify but Bethenny stopped that. She only wanted her assertions on the record.

Nope, takes two people to settle.  So Jason settled.  It's obvious he did not get everything he wanted since he is now throwing this man baby hissy fit with the 170 emails.  I'm sure he's regretting settling now.

[ZoloftBlob]

Again, the new legal issue is the state of NY not Bethenny. Bethenny can't at any point throw up her hands and say stop the case.  I actually agree it's possible it will be dismissed but *Bethenny* and *what Bethenny wants* is not part of the process.

[breezy424]

9 minutes ago, the killer said:

Testimony is good. Testimony is valid. Testimony is a good benchmark about what we can believe.

Wasn't this testimony during the divorce.? Didn't Bethenny settle after her testimony but before Jason got to testify? For some unknown reason or other. Did Jason's lawyer get to cross examine her? I confess I don't know if he did. Does anyone else know if Jason's lawyers got to ask her questions under oath.

I bet that they won't get to ask her questions under oath this time. Watch and see.

It was during the custody hearing.  And yes, Beth agreed to joint custody, which Jason wanted, before Jason's attorney had a chance to cross examine.  It was a total ploy IMO for Beth to try and smear Jason.

[the killer]

Jason accepted Bethenny's offer of settlement. The fact remains she agreed after her testimony but before he got a chance to testify. She wanted to preclude him from having a chance to tell his side of the story. He agreed because he thought it was a good deal.

I think the emails were because she was not keeping her side of the deal. You see her breaking the deal every episode of the Real Housewives where she talks about the divorce and uses her flying monkey Carole to read texts and tweets and spread her side of the story because she is not restrained by the courts.

Fortunately Bethenny can not settle this case. Only Jason can plead out. Settle as it were. For a slap on the wrist which was offered to him and which he refused to do because he believes he is innocent.

[breezy424]

1 minute ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Again, the new legal issue is the state of NY not Bethenny. Bethenny can't at any point throw up her hands and say stop the case.  I actually agree it's possible it will be dismissed but *Bethenny* and *what Bethenny wants* is not part of the process.

And that's the shame of it.  I'm not saying that Jason was totally right.  Far from it.  She has played a role in this too.  But the most important thing is their child.  She needs both her parents and both her parents love her.  Instead of Jason being on trial, they need a mediator.  A go between that can objectively state their concerns to one another.  For instance, apparently Jason wanted to know about the life insurance policy.  Ask the mediator.  The mediator asks Beth.  If Beth doesn't respond then the mediator gets on Beth's case, not Jason.  Or Jason is concerned about Beth getting engaged to this married man.  See the pictures.  Ask the mediator to find out what's actually going on.  Jason does have a right to know because this affects his daughter.

I just think this would put an end to so much of the garbage that is going on and would be in the best interests of their daughter.

[the killer]

5 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Again, the new legal issue is the state of NY not Bethenny. Bethenny can't at any point throw up her hands and say stop the case.  I actually agree it's possible it will be dismissed but *Bethenny* and *what Bethenny wants* is not part of the process.

This is spot on. Which is why I think it will be dismissed. They are depended on Bethenny's camp to produce the goods. Don't you think they should have already done that and it doesn't have to be a demand of the judge that they produce the information at this late date in the proceedings. I think the DA is going to be very pissed at Ms. Frankel.

Rich and powerful people have a lot of clout in the criminal justice system. Primarily from campaign contributions. Or from calling in favors from people who make campaign contributions. It is a very corrupt system.

There is very little justice in the criminal justice system in New York City.

They never use that as a tagline in Law and Order.

[Celia Rubenstein]

There is no proof that the delay is due to Bethenny failing to produce documentation or whatever discovery the defense wanted. It may easily have been a failing on the part of the state attorney's office.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein

[smores]

Just like no one can know for sure that Jason was torturing and harassing B, we also don't know for sure how many settlement offers were made by either party prior to the acceptance of the one that was ultimately taken when it comes to custody.  We can't know for sure that B hopped off the stand and refused to let someone cross examine her.  Nor can we know whether or not they have a mediator in place or if it's appropriate for Jason to not be facing charges and instead have a mediator.  We also don't know that the delay is because of B not providing documents.  There is an awful lot of insistence that Jason get the benefit of the doubt because this can't be known or that can't be known and yet B is automatically this horrible bitch who is out to get him and it's true dammit! It just is!  I mean, come on, really?  It works both ways.

[breezy424]

8 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

There is no proof that the delay is due to Bethenny failing to produce documentation or whatever discovery the defense wanted. It may easily have been a failing on the part of the state attorney's office.

I think that this is what most posters are saying.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I was responding to the poster who thinks otherwise...

Edited June 30, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein

[breezy424]

1 minute ago, smores said:

Just like no one can know for sure that Jason was torturing and harassing B, we also don't know for sure how many settlement offers were made by either party prior to the acceptance of the one that was ultimately taken when it comes to custody.  We can't know for sure that B hopped off the stand and refused to let someone cross examine her.  Nor can we know whether or not they have a mediator in place or if it's appropriate for Jason to not be facing charges and instead have a mediator.  We also don't know that the delay is because of B not providing documents.  There is an awful lot of insistence that Jason get the benefit of the doubt because this can't be known or that can't be known and yet B is automatically this horrible bitch who is out to get him and it's true dammit! It just is!  I mean, come on, really?  It works both ways.

I'm not sure about what you mean about offers regarding custody.  Jason wanted shared.  Beth wanted primary.  That was why there were hearings.  Beth testified regarding why she should have primary custody.  Before the scheduled cross examination by Jason's attorney, she agree to shared custody.  We know this because the scheduled cross examination was public knowledge. 

I don't put blame on Beth because of the delay in Jason's trial.  From what I gather, it's the ADA who didn't give all the discovery to Jason's attorneys.

My post regarding having a mediator is my 'opinion'. 

[the killer]

13 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

There is no proof that the delay is due to Bethenny failing to produce documentation or whatever discovery the defense wanted. It may easily have been a failing on the part of the state attorney's office.

Who dd the judge order to produce these documents? Was it the District Attorney? Was it Bethenny? I know for sure it wasn't Jason because his side had to request discovery. Why weren't these documents produced already at this late date in the process?

Something is fishy.

By the way in NYC it is the District Attorney not the States Attorney. This is being prosecuted by the District Attorney of Manhattan who is Cyrus Vance Jr. A very political and very connected member of New York Society who is subject to influences that a rich and powerful person like Bethenny has access to by virtue of her wealth and clout.

New York Politics is very, very corrupt. We might not be as bad as Chicago but we are right up there.

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, smores said:

Just like no one can know for sure that Jason was torturing and harassing B, we also don't know for sure how many settlement offers were made by either party prior to the acceptance of the one that was ultimately taken when it comes to custody.  We can't know for sure that B hopped off the stand and refused to let someone cross examine her.  Nor can we know whether or not they have a mediator in place or if it's appropriate for Jason to not be facing charges and instead have a mediator.  We also don't know that the delay is because of B not providing documents.  There is an awful lot of insistence that Jason get the benefit of the doubt because this can't be known or that can't be known and yet B is automatically this horrible bitch who is out to get him and it's true dammit! It just is!  I mean, come on, really?  It works both ways.

There is certainly circumstantial evidence that prior to the custody hearing, the court strongly urged there be  joint custody Bethnny rejected that suggestion.  She then  testified on direct, then asked for a recess of I believe a week, only to return to court and settle for what Jason asked for-joint custody.  These are all public record.

It is my understanding a mediator is used to meet with the parties, hopefully come to an agreement and/or make a recommendation to the court.  I am not certain that a mediator is assigned to the parties for the duration of the child's minority.  At some point these parties need to get it together.  In light of the temporary restraining order, I would presume there has to be a third party (or perhaps the parties' attorneys) so they can communicate something serious such as the child having to be hospitalized. 

I have no way of knowing if the delay has anything to do with Bethenny, it sounded to me as if Jason was facing new charges and the discovery in the new charges had not been delivered.  I mean filing charges on the day of trial-it would seem the defense would be allowed time to prepare.  Just a guess.  I don't see where one side or the other is right or wrong in this situation.  It seems very procedural to me.

[the killer]

13 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I have no way of knowing if the delay has anything to do with Bethenny, it sounded to me as if Jason was facing new charges and the discovery in the new charges had not been delivered.  I mean filing charges on the day of trial-it would seem the defense would be allowed time to prepare.  Just a guess.  I don't see where one side or the other is right or wrong in this situation.  It seems very procedural to me.

I think that is a very reasonable supposition. I can not find any direct reporting from a reliable source as to who was required to do the disclosure. The only thing that comes up in google is a gossip site Tamara Tattles which is not necessarily a reliable source. It is worded as though Bethenny is the one directing this prosecution and not the district attorney. It is obviously misguided and a pro Jason site so the report should be taken with a grain of salt.

If the discovery is relating to the two new counts then it is perfectly understandable and reasonable. But if it relates to the basic case than something is rotten in Denmark. I can't find anything on Goggle to cite.

So I guess we will have to wait and see.

[breezy424]

1 hour ago, QuinnM said:

Nope, takes two people to settle.  So Jason settled.  It's obvious he did not get everything he wanted since he is now throwing this man baby hissy fit with the 170 emails.  I'm sure he's regretting settling now.

Sorry but Jason didn't settle in the custody.  How many times can it be stated.  Beth wanted primary custody.  Jason wanted shared custody.  The agreement was shared custody?  How did Jason settle?

We have no idea what the divorce settlement was.  We also have no idea of what Jason's emails were all about.  And the number of emails seem to change on a daily basis. 

[film noire]

2 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

If you have a different opinion please share that instead of mocking me. 

hugs, alonzo -- go have  a lemon drop ; )

[breezy424]

1 minute ago, film noire said:

hugs, alonzo -- go have  a lemon drop ; )

Can I have one too?  :)  I have a feeling I can help myself to one but I just wanted to check.

[diadochokinesis]

Ok, so let's discuss social rules. They include things like when you are a guest in a person's home, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have workers over, you don't wander around in your underwear. If you are a guest in someone's home and they have a small child, you don't wander around in your underwear. Those are just typically accepted social norms.

[CatMomma]

4 hours ago, the killer said:

Well said. As a citizen, I can also presume what I want. I presume that Bethenny is the worst person in the history of the world. If she got in a dispute with oh I don't know.......Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy or Kim Jong-un or Saddam Hussein.......I would have to take their side over Bethenny's. It is just that simple. She is the pits of the world.

YES! Exactly my point. I think Jason Hoppy is just another entitled white dude who didn't get his way and threw a temper tantrum.  You think a D-List celeb is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, and serial killers ,including one who raped and murdered young boys.

Still don't have to presume his innocence. 

Vive la dfifference!

Edited June 30, 2017 by CatMomma

[zoeysmom]

8 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

And that's actually where I was going with my earlier remark. Ignore that its Bethenny - did the people who work with Bethenny deserve Jason and Gramps wandering about in their panties at the craft table? Did the other parents and Dennis, and children and teachers at the school where Jason went off deserve his behavior?

The food table was in Jason's home and his father was a guest.  Do I think they should have put some trousers on, I do.  There has been no evidence that anyone at the school was affected by the discussion between Jason and Dennis.  What was presented is Jason approached Dennis and Bethenny, never read in any official count, he was screaming or causing a scene.  Most I read was Betheeny claimed he approached them in hopes of starting a fight. 

 

5 hours ago, CatMomma said:

That's in a court of law. As a citizen, I can presume what I want. OJ was acquitted for murdering 2 people, but I believe he was guilty. Bill Cosby's trial ended in a mistrial, but I think he is guilty as hell. That's my constitutional right.

And, yes, the argument that it was ok for daddy Hoppy to walk around in his skivvies while other people were present is ok because it was Jason's house too, is ridiculous. Guess it's ok if I take a dump in my living room while guests are present. Hey, it's my house, so suck it up.

We were talking about the court process. 

I am sorry but there is no law against walking around in your underwear.  The reason is not a crime is there is no exposure of genitals.  One would be hard pressed to argue boxers are more revealing than a Speedo bathing suit. The manufactured purpose of a garment underwear or pajamas vs daywear or workout clothes is not an element of the crime of indecent exposure.   It can be against a rule such as at  country club stating no thong bathing suits or boxer like bathing suits are allowed. It can also be a rule at school involving a dress code or any office or place of work that you are not allowed to be in the workplace in your underwear or pajamas.  It is just not a law against public policy. 

As far as taking a dump in your own living room-I guess your friends if they don't mind you can do so.  This is hardly the same thing. 

[film noire]

15 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

Can I have one too?  :)  I have a feeling I can help myself to one but I just wanted to check.

You can have as many as you want, Breezy424  -- go to town!

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[film noire]

5 hours ago, the killer said:

If she got in a dispute with oh I don't know.......Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy or Kim Jong-un or Saddam Hussein.......I would have to take their side over Bethenny's. It is just that simple. 

That answer is anything but simple (if nothing else, at least Frankel wouldn't cannibalize you -- not eating human flesh is one of her "naturally thin" dieting secrets -- so that's ONE point in her favor at least.) 

Edited June 30, 2017 by film noire

[breezy424]

36 minutes ago, CatMomma said:

YES! Exactly my point. I think Jason Hoppy is just another entitled white dude who didn't get his way and threw a temper tantrum.  You think a D-List celeb is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, and serial killers ,including one who raped and murdered young boys.

Still don't have to presume his innocence. 

Vive la dfifference!

I'm sorry.  Why is Jason an entitled 'white' dude?  What does that have to do with anything?  Anyone who is arrested and charged is innocent until proven guilty.

31 minutes ago, film noire said:

You can have as many as you want, Breezy424  -- go to town!

Thank you because I need a 'beverage'.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, QuinnM said:

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Depends on what they were going for in the case against Jason.  The opening statement from his attorney said she was a bad mother, didn't care about Bryan other than as a prop for her alcohol business.  The opening statement from her attorney said that Jason and his parents had engaged in harassment and made her living in her house untenable.  It also talked about Jason threatening her and engaging in alienation of affection with Bryn.  

So I'm thinking that was what her testimony was.  It may all be that she was looking to document why she couldn't maintain the residence.  That would allow her to move to her own apartment without jeopardizing her legal claim on the TriBeCa.  Then she could stop with the hotels.

But I'm guessing.  Because Jason settled before she even finished her testimony we don't get a cross exam or supporting witnesses.

 

Actually what Hoopy's attorney said, "Bethenny Frankel priority is Bethenny Frankel."  I do not believe he ever used the term "bad mother".  He also cited the children's book having the Skinnygirl Logo and drawings of Bryn.

I believe Bethenny said she called Jason, "white trash," in front of the child.

This is a case of the burden was on Bethenny to show that joint custody was not in the best interests of the child. 

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

It doesn't trump Bethenny's right. As I said upthread, it's the same. His home. Her office. Same enjoyment legally. Again, why is it incumbent upon Jason to leave? Let's say hypothetically if the Sr. Hoppy was dressed that way due to convalescent care what couldn't Bethenny work elsewhere? 

What proof is there this even happened with anyone besides them in the apartment?

We also have to ask what time of the day this supposedly happened? Was it early in the morning? Then where was this food located, in her office or was it in the kitchen, which is part of the marital home? 

3 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Yes, the people managing the shoot.  The reporting on the testimony said that.  So they would have been called as witnesses.  But we'll never know cuz Jason settled.  Probably because he realized he had put his parents in the middle.

For everyone wondering - not all groups of photographers etc have craft services.  I was told once that the gaffer's union has really specific requirements and everyone else just says 'We'll need a gaffer.'  That way they get breaks, lunch time and craft services.  

So Jason and his dad were grazing on food brought in for the crew on the shoot.  

Jason did not "settle", he got what he asked for, joint custody. Bethenny was in fact the one that settled as she wanted "primary custody".

3 hours ago, the killer said:

Testimony is good. Testimony is valid. Testimony is a good benchmark about what we can believe.

Wasn't this testimony during the divorce.? Didn't Bethenny settle after her testimony but before Jason got to testify? For some unknown reason or other. Did Jason's lawyer get to cross examine her? I confess I don't know if he did. Does anyone else know if Jason's lawyers got to ask her questions under oath.

I bet that they won't get to ask her questions under oath this time. Watch and see.

The testimony was during the child custody fight. She answered her lawyers questions then asked for a break before Jason's lawyer could question her (so, no, Jason's lawyers did not get to ask her a single question) and promptly settled for what Jason wanted, which was joint custody.