First Looks: Upcoming Episodes

[turbogirlnyc]

I think Tamra really is stretching for comeback storyline with the Baptism. Interesting, last week she was explaining why they were questioning Brooks, and she said "her spiritual advisor" told them Brooks didn't have cancer. Hmmmm, you'd think her spiritual advisor would be her pastor not her psychic.

I thought Tamra taking notes while the "pasture" was talking was especially convincing. I'd almost feel bad for that guy for wasting his time if he hadn't agreed to go on TV.

[OhIgetit]

I just keep going back to why is he showing Tamra, someone he really doesn't get along with instead of Terry?

[LotusFlower]

The report itself did show several large masses indicative of Lymphoma. Masses so large that the person that had them would likely be very, very, ill. Brooks has lost weight, but there has been no indications that he was feeling unwell at all the functions he attended.

And don't forget, Brooks himself claimed that his weight loss was due to his juice diet. "42 lbs.!" he said with pride..

I just keep going back to why is he showing Tamra, someone he really doesn't get along with instead of Terry?

I think you know the answer. Terry is a doctor, and would see right through the ruse, and Tamra is easily manipulated.

[zoeysmom]

This is from Heather's blog-the only one to blog this week: "What I can say is I didn't want to be involved in Brooks' health issues real or not. However, it was Brooks that pulled me into it!"

[WireWrap]

This is from Heather's blog-the only one to blog this week: "What I can say is I didn't want to be involved in Brooks' health issues real or not. However, it was Brooks that pulled me into it!"

Well, he did pull her in when she said that she might know the resveratrol Dr. I can see the other HWs asking her what "kind" of Dr. the guy is and what his "specialty" is. That would/could put her in an awkward position IMO. I wonder if he does more than that in the last 2 episodes or if he did more that was not shown earlier to pull Heather into this does he/doesn't he conversation. Just my opinion, but he is doing this on purpose and I have to ask WHY, other than keeping Vicki and himself front and center most of the season, what is his reason for causing the controversy?

[LotusFlower]

Just my opinion, but he is doing this on purpose and I have to ask WHY, other than keeping Vicki and himself front and center most of the season, what is his reason for causing the controversy?

I'll take a stab at answering - Vicki and Crooks came up with the idea to garner sympathy for him to counter his past unlikeable and shady reputation on the show. And they never thought it wouldn't work, so they never thought there'd be a controversy.

[WireWrap]

I'll take a stab at answering - Vicki and Crooks came up with the idea to garner sympathy for him to counter his past unlikeable and shady reputation on the show. And they never thought it wouldn't work, so they never thought there'd be a controversy.

I am beginning to suspect that it could be "pay back" as well. Especially towards Tamra and Briana, who have given him the hardest time since he/Vicki started dating. I am sure he doesn't mind that Meghan is looking like a nut bag as well because she came after him so hard. I don't think he cares that Shannon/Heather got caught up in it either or that it will most likely hurt Vicki more than his intended targets. Just a theory, nothing more AND I do agree that they tried to make this a sympathetic storyline for the both of them.

[PhilMarlowe2]

This is what I don't get: if the whole thing is in fact a scam, why would Brooks bring up stuff like going to Heather's doctor and doing these weird alternative treatments? Wouldn't it make more sense to pretend that he was doing chemo? And keep it all quiet? And then get "cured" through chemo? It seems like he has brought so much more attention to himself with all of these weird detours and digressions. What purpose does it serve?

[WireWrap]

It seems like he has brought so much more attention to himself with all of these weird detours and digressions. What purpose does it serve?

THAT is THE big question! LOL None of this makes any sense, his different stories to each of the women, his nonchalance attitude to them when questioned and even Vicki's rather blasé attitude, nothing is adding up. So now we are left with WHY! LOL

[Scrambled Fog]

The 'is Brooks lying about having cancer' storyline has to be the most moronic storyline ever.

[LotusFlower]

This is what I don't get: if the whole thing is in fact a scam, why would Brooks bring up stuff like going to Heather's doctor and doing these weird alternative treatments? Wouldn't it make more sense to pretend that he was doing chemo? And keep it all quiet? And then get "cured" through chemo? It seems like he has brought so much more attention to himself with all of these weird detours and digressions. What purpose does it serve?

THAT is THE big question! LOL None of this makes any sense, his different stories to each of the women, his nonchalance attitude to them when questioned and even Vicki's rather blasé attitude, nothing is adding up. So now we are left with WHY! LOL

I think a lot of the time, scam artists or fabulists get caught up in their story and don't take a step back and look at it with a reasonable or logical eye. And when a misstep happens that they didn't anticipate, they freak and start to unravel. That's what's happening with Vicki - she's acting nutty and defensive and angry, as well as uncharacteristic in a lot of ways, cuz she just didn't think they'd be questioned.

[athousandclowns]

whoops wrong forum

Edited September 28, 2015 by athousandclowns

[Ubiquitous]

This made no sense until I realized Brooks is replying to Vicki, not speaking first.

[motorcitymom65]

This is what I don't get: if the whole thing is in fact a scam, why would Brooks bring up stuff like going to Heather's doctor and doing these weird alternative treatments? Wouldn't it make more sense to pretend that he was doing chemo? And keep it all quiet? And then get "cured" through chemo? It seems like he has brought so much more attention to himself with all of these weird detours and digressions. What purpose does it serve?

I think another question is, why did he bring it up to begin with? He announced his cancer diagnosis last October, before they were filming. He gave several interviews about it. According to the articles at the time, he and Vicki weren't really together at that point. Also according to the reports, he had fought the same battle back in 2013, although we never heard about it at the time (which is strange). Why make so many public declarations about it this time? It is clearly something he was comfortable talking and interviewing about.  My guess - if he is lying - is that it was more about finding a way to get back with Vicki.  There was a lot going on at the time. Remember the video that seemed to show Brooks admitting that he had cheated on Vicki? There was also the lawsuit about the vodka (it seems like Vicki had already been released from the lawsuit at this time, but I could be wrong about that). Lots of accusations there about Brooks and some shady behavior. Interesting that he would make the decision to turn attention to his cancer battle when he apparently didn't do it before. 

 

I'm of the belief that Vicki initially thought he had cancer. That's why she made the phone call to Shannon and asked for her help. If she thought he was lying, she wouldn't want to involve Shannon and her team of doctors.  One of the more interesting things about her denying that she asked Shannon for help is that in my mind it kind of clears her as far as being in on the initial planning. I think she found out later that it was pretty much a hoax but she couldn't get out of it and she played along. 

 

http://www.realitytea.com/2014/10/03/real-housewives-orange-county-star-brooks-ayers-reveals-stage-3-cancer-vicki-gunvalson-reacts/

[zoeysmom]

Brooks was living with Vicki last October and they were traveling together.  They do not uncouple for long. Brooks has been dismissed from the lawsuit and Vicki still has to face four separate causes of action. . including fraud.  At this point it would behoove Vicki to stay nice and friendly with Brooks. 

 

I think Brooks enjoys the limelight and the prayers.  I think his decision to quit chemo was probably based on the fact it had done its job.  I can't see why one would two months after his last chemo therapy to dramatically announce he was quitting chemo as of tomorrow.  As this story progresses it almost seems as if Brooks was taunting these women into asking for proof.  What better way to be the victim then to put the poor cancer patient on the spot.  His new age person has gotten lots of camera time -something that might not have happened had he quietly decided to go a different way.

[Scrambled Fog]

I wanted to see *less* of Brooks, not more. What I mean by less is, I did not want to see Brooks at all.

Now, thanks to that cockamamie storyline, I have seen far too much and have heard far too much of Brooks.

Whether or not Brooks really has cancer is none of my business. It is not just my opinion, it is the law.

Also, either way, Bravo looks bad. If Brooks really has cancer, Bravo is guilty of exploiting a person's serious illness and adding unneeded stress to that person's life for the sake of ratings. If Brooks is lying, Bravo is guilty of exploiting and perpetuating that lie for ratings.

Bravo just needs to stop.

Edited September 28, 2015 by Scrambled Fog

[WireWrap]

I wanted to see *less* of Brooks, not more. What I mean by less is, I did not want to see Brooks at all.

Now, thanks to that cockamamie storyline, I have seen far too much and have heard far too much of Brooks.

Whether or not Brooks really has cancer is none of my business. It is not just my opinion, it is the law.

Also, either way, Bravo looks bad. If Brooks really has cancer, Bravo is guilty of exploiting a person's serious illness and adding unneeded stress to that person's life for the sake of ratings. If Brooks is lying, Bravo is guilty of exploiting and perpetuating that lie for ratings.

Bravo just needs to stop.

As guilty as Bravo/production are about going with the does he/doesn't he storyline for the show, Brooks/Vicki are equally guilty, if not more so IMO, of the same thing. No one forced Brooks and Vicki into revealing his cancer/treatments ON camera, that they did all on their own. That they have told differing stories, both on camera and in interviews he gave during filming, is on him and to a lesser extent on Vicki. Brooks and Vicki made the decision to discuss this on camera as THE major storyline for themselves, doing so despite how production has portrayed him for 2-3 seasons now. I have to ask WHY they did this knowing how the cast and production/Bravo have treated him in the past. It does not make sense IMO.

[Scrambled Fog]

As guilty as Bravo/production are about going with the does he/doesn't he storyline for the show, Brooks/Vicki are equally guilty, if not more so IMO, of the same thing. No one forced Brooks and Vicki into revealing his cancer/treatments ON camera, that they did all on their own. That they have told differing stories, both on camera and in interviews he gave during filming, is on him and to a lesser extent on Vicki. Brooks and Vicki made the decision to discuss this on camera as THE major storyline for themselves, doing so despite how production has portrayed him for 2-3 seasons now. I have to ask WHY they did this knowing how the cast and production/Bravo have treated him in the past. It does not make sense IMO.

Maybe. I don't know.

To me, it is one thing to say you have cancer. It is another thing altogether to be expected to cough up medical records on TV.

Brooks might have agreed to the cancer storyline to pay for cancer treatments.

Either way, I would prefer Brooks' cancer/not cancer and his entire life be dealt with off camera where I can't see or hear him.

[WireWrap]

Maybe. I don't know.

To me, it is one thing to say you have cancer. It is another thing altogether to be expected to cough up medical records on TV.

Brooks might have agreed to the cancer storyline to pay for cancer treatments.

Either way, I would prefer Brooks' cancer/not cancer and his entire life be dealt with off camera where I can't see or hear him.

They, production/Bravo can not force any of these fools to divulge health/private issues. What they allow on camera is up to the cast member with a few exceptions. LisaV/Ken were allowed to keep their lawsuit off camera despite that it was well know before filming began, the same with Bethenny's very public ongoing divorce. Heck, even Vicki and Brooks did not mention the lawsuits they were facing from the Vicki's Vodka debacle on camera. LOL There is a reason that Vicki talked Brooks into revealing his cancer ON CAMERA because according to her, he did NOT want it on camera/the show at all before filming began. If production paid Brooks they would have done so with or without his cancer story on camera because, IMO, his relationship with Vicki has been a major drama producer from the get go and they were NOW living together.....an automatic new storyline for them.

 

I agree that production should have edited this nonsense out of the show. BUT, that said, it could not have been part of the show had Vicki/Brooks kept it private/OFF camera to begin with.

[goofygirl]

Well, Crooks & Icki are BOTH a couple of mental giants, so there's no way they would NOT have brought up the whole cancer thing without thinking,"Hey! Crooks can get a better edit!" or something like that.  JMHO.

I do find it hilarious that Icki has now stated that she's no longer friends with Shannon OR Tamra.  So, it looks to me like she's cutting that nose off to spite her face.  Kind of getting a NeNe Leaks vibe from her.  "I'm the OG of the OC and everyone else is just a COPY".  Reeaally.....

But she's an idiot, so whatev's.

Hope she's saved some of those Bravo Bucks! She's gonna miss them when they're gone!

Edited September 28, 2015 by goofygirl

[WireWrap]

Well, Crooks & Icki are BOTH a couple of mental giants, so there's no way they would NOT have brought up the whole cancer thing without thinking,"Hey! Crooks can get a better edit!" or something like that.  JMHO.

I do find it hilarious that Icki has now stated that she's no longer friends with Shannon OR Tamra.  So, it looks to me like she's cutting that nose off to spite her face.  Kind of getting a NeNe Leaks vibe from her.  "I'm the OG of the OC and everyone else is just a COPY".  Reeaally.....

But she's an idiot, so whatev's.

Hope she's saved some of those Bravo Bucks! She's gonna miss them when they're gone!

LOL Although Vicki and Shannon are no longer on good terms and are not speaking, Vicki and Tamra are still best buds! Go figure! How dare Shannon even suggest that Vicki is "too smart" to not know if Brooks is lying or not, while Tamra thinks Vicki was duped (stupid) by Brooks all along. LOL

[OhIgetit]

I am a very strong supporter of the American Cancer Society and the sugar issue and reservatroll are not indicated on their site. If he does have cancer he needs to stop seeing quacks

[Ubiquitous]

I thought Tamra taking notes while the "pasture" was talking was especially convincing. I'd almost feel bad for that guy for wasting his time if he hadn't agreed to go on TV.

Watching her segment, I remembered three things I forget to mention. 1) Is this the same "pasture" we saw a few weeks ago? 2) Way to throw your son under the bus, Tamra! 3) If you're going to cry about your loser son, try to produce at least one tear, preferably one from each eye.

[zoeysmom]

10:17 pm First Look on Thursday,  a couple of clips from Bravo early, early  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-1018/videos?clip=2913060  Briana and Tamra have asit down-it was Tamra who suggested to Vicki she could have a talk with Briana-not Vicki asking Tamra to have a talk with Briana.  As suspected at the unfilmed luncheon (Heather's after lunch with Tamra) last year David's affair was discussed.  They are both full of shit however there was no concern for Shannon when they were talking about her marriage..

[motorcitymom65]

10:17 pm First Look on Thursday,  a couple of clips from Bravo early, early  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-1018/videos?clip=2913060  Briana and Tamra have asit down-it was Tamra who suggested to Vicki she could have a talk with Briana-not Vicki asking Tamra to have a talk with Briana.  As suspected at the unfilmed luncheon (Heather's after lunch with Tamra) last year David's affair was discussed.  They are both full of shit however there was no concern for Shannon when they were talking about her marriage..

That's a really interesting scene between Heather, Shannon and Tamra.  It confirms to me what I think happens at the finale party.  I think that Vicki says something horrible about the affair.  The descriptor says this:

 

"The women come together to witness Tamra's baptism; Vicki is besieged by questions about Brooks' cancer; Shannon learns Vicki has committed the ultimate betrayal."

 

I didn't see in the preview where it was confirmed that the affair was discussed at Heather's lunch last season. As the matter of fact, I got just the opposite impression. Shannon is giving both Tamra and Heather huge props for not discussing this. She clearly had someone at the lunch telling her what happened. When Heather said last season at Lizzie's party that she tried to shut the discussion down at lunch, Shannon said that she knew exactly what had happened because her friend had given her the details. If the affair had been discussed, why didn't her friend tell her about it? That makes zero sense to me. Shannon has said time and time again that she was shocked to learn of the affair, and didn't learn about it until April (several months after the scene at lunch was filmed). If she had been told an affair had been discussed, she wouldn't have been so shocked to learn of the betrayal. I think this is why she has been able to move past her issues with Heather and Tamra. She knows that they knew, yet they didn't say anything.

 

At the end of the day, the most shocking thing about all of this - considering how many people apparently knew about it - was that it was never revealed in the press until Shannon did it on the show. You would think that if these girls were talking about it at all, it would have been leaked. Because they were so hammered by both Shannon and the viewers last season for their treatment of Shannon, the fact that they never secretly leaked this information is probably the most stunning thing of all. Especially by Heather. She and Terry specifically got a ton of shit for how badly they had treated David. The comparisons about how David was a far superior specimen of man as compared to Terry had to be jarring considering what they knew. It might have felt good to let the world in on the secret that he wasn't some innocent good guy after all. As far as we know (and Shannon certainly believes) they didn't say "boo" about it. 

Edited September 29, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[zoeysmom]

That's a really interesting scene between Heather, Shannon and Tamra.  It confirms to me what I think happens at the finale party.  I think that Vicki says something horrible about the affair.  The descriptor says this:

 

"The women come together to witness Tamra's baptism; Vicki is besieged by questions about Brooks' cancer; Shannon learns Vicki has committed the ultimate betrayal."

 

I didn't see in the preview where it was confirmed that the affair was discussed at Heather's lunch last season. As the matter of fact, I got just the opposite impression. Shannon is giving both Tamra and Heather huge props for not discussing this. She clearly had someone at the lunch telling her what happened. When Heather said last season at Lizzie's party that she tried to shut the discussion down at lunch, Shannon said that she knew exactly what had happened because her friend had given her the details. If the affair had been discussed, why didn't her friend tell her about it? That makes zero sense to me. Shannon has said time and time again that she was shocked to learn of the affair, and didn't learn about it until April (several months after the scene at lunch was filmed). If she had been told an affair had been discussed, she wouldn't have been so shocked to learn of the betrayal. I think this is why she has been able to move past her issues with Heather and Tamra. She knows that they knew, yet they didn't say anything.

 

At the end of the day, the most shocking thing about all of this - considering how many people apparently knew about it - was that it was never revealed in the press until Shannon did it on the show. You would think that if these girls were talking about it at all, it would have been leaked. Because they were so hammered by both Shannon and the viewers last season for their treatment of Shannon, the fact that they never secretly leaked this information is probably the most stunning thing of all. Especially by Heather. She and Terry specifically got a ton of shit for how badly they had treated David. The comparisons about how David was a far superior specimen of man as compared to Terry had to be jarring considering what they knew. It might have felt good to let the world in on the secret that he wasn't some innocent good guy after all. As far as we know (and Shannon certainly believes) they didn't say "boo" about it. 

Since the parties had not confirmed the affair and the only one who had confirmation was Vicki, Tara or Heather would look pretty stupid releasing the rumors of the affair.  If it were such common knowledge as they all seem to pretend it to be-why didn't some obscure third party release the info?  Let's say one of the Chatty Kathy's from the luncheon.  I a thinking some of this is revisionist history.

 

It was a friend of David's that told David about the discussion at lunch.  No one ever said Shannon had any conversation with the woman who told David about the conversation. I am doubting David passed on rumors of the affair to Shannon.  Shannon gripe was about the contents of the the e-mail leaked by Heather supplied to her by Tamra.    Heather last year did say she didn't think it was that big a deal that Shannon's marriage being on the rocks was being discussed because it was at the luncheon.  I think the smart money was a friend of the affair or the affair was at the luncheon.  Why would the Beador marriage be a subject of conversation at Heather's luncheon unless she brought up Heather?  She loathed Shannon at the time so it what positive context was it brought up?   Heather and Tamra do not get a pass because David was having an affair.

 

How would outing David's rumors of  David's affair excuse the Dubrows' behavior?  They could not accept an apology from a rumored adulterer?  Their duty was to be condescending and rude? Terry treated David poorly and it had nothing to do with the affair.  I am thinking no one at the luncheon stood up and gave uncontroverted evidence regarding the affair. Terry treatment of David was over long ago comments at the Hoedown.  Dubrows have to live with their ignorant behavior last year.  More importantly these were RUMORS-who exactly confirmed the affair at that time?  People watching the show last year claimed early on David was stepping out-it is kind of like predicting if someone is pregnant -you have a 50% chance of being correct.  A person can have an affair and still be a polite and decent person just like someone who is faithful can be an asshole. 

[talula]

Didn't Terry call David a penis?

[jinjer]

Something 'witty' like, "We have a medical term for people like you, it's Penis."

Edited September 29, 2015 by jinjer

[talula]

Something 'witty' like, "We have a medical term for people like you, it's Penis."

Thanks jinjer that's it!

[zoeysmom]

Speaking of First Looks-Vicki and Briana are in San Diego.  Something tells me Briana is here for the Reunion.  Oh joy.  I guess producers want lightening to strike twice and have a bitchfest between Briana, Brooks and Vicki.  Maybe they could kidnap "the affair: and bring her on. 

[motorcitymom65]

 

How would outing David's rumors of  David's affair excuse the Dubrows' behavior?  They could not accept an apology from a rumored adulterer?  Their duty was to be condescending and rude? Terry treated David poorly and it had nothing to do with the affair.  I am thinking no one at the luncheon stood up and gave uncontroverted evidence regarding the affair. Terry treatment of David was over long ago comments at the Hoedown.  Dubrows have to live with their ignorant behavior last year.  More importantly these were RUMORS-who exactly confirmed the affair at that time?  People watching the show last year claimed early on David was stepping out-it is kind of like predicting if someone is pregnant -you have a 50% chance of being correct.  A person can have an affair and still be a polite and decent person just like someone who is faithful can be an asshole.

I agree. I don't think I ever said that rumors of David's affair would excuse their behavior, but it would most certainly alter the way it was viewed by some. Imagine if when Terey called him a penis he had thrown out he was a dick because it was known he was fucking around on Shannon? (I have zero doubt he knew about by this time, which was near the end of filming). At the very least, it would have drastically changed the conversation. Terry would have taken heat for it, but it would have been different. Suddenly much of the focus would have been moved to David. It's easy to forget the way that some folks revered David last year. He was the poor damaged husband who could do nothing right in his own home. Then he was not only rebuked by his own wife, but the Dubrows as well. It all would have looked very different at the time had everyone known the truth. I can easily see any person who was being raked across the coals the way that Heather and Terry were wanting that change of conversation. It doesn't make the way they acted right at all, but it would be understandable to most anyone why they would probably have liked the focus off of them and their behavior.

[zoeysmom]

I agree. I don't think I ever said that rumors of David's affair would excuse their behavior, but it would most certainly alter the way it was viewed by some. Imagine if when Terey called him a penis he had thrown out he was a dick because it was known he was fucking around on Shannon? (I have zero doubt he knew about by this time, which was near the end of filming). At the very least, it would have drastically changed the conversation. Terry would have taken heat for it, but it would have been different. Suddenly much of the focus would have been moved to David. It's easy to forget the way that some folks revered David last year. He was the poor damaged husband who could do nothing right in his own home. Then he was not only rebuked by his own wife, but the Dubrows as well. It all would have looked very different at the time had everyone known the truth. I can easily see any person who was being raked across the coals the way that Heather and Terry were wanting that change of conversation. It doesn't make the way they acted right at all, but it would be understandable to most anyone why they would probably have liked the focus off of them and their behavior.

In short the answer is no.  Terry and Heather were attacking the Beadors period.  It would certainly not change my opinion about how they were treated by the Dubrows.  I never thought David was all that mistreated by Shannon.  A great deal of his behavior was boorish.  Telling someone not to chomp down on chips is not offensive to me-it doesn't look good on camera-doesn't look any better or worse this year knowing he is an adulterer.  The only difference is Shannon didn't ask him not to.  The "some" is kind of meaningless because there are pages and pages of people from the moment the Beador were introduced that said they should divorce.  Same with the Edmonds.  Vicki and Brooks being questioned about Brooks course of treatment inappropriately by Meghan does not give Vicki a free pass to continually attack the Edmonds marriage and financial arrangements within the marriage.

 

Terry had every opportunity to right his behavior at the Reunion and chose not to.  It was only after a lot of backlash that Terry had to swallow his indignation. To me Terry does not like David because David is self made and although he has all the same trappings of wealth he does not choose  to lord it over people like Terry does.  Terry gave Eddie a pass for equally egregious behavior because he knew him better.  David and Eddie's behavior was either inappropriate in front of Terry's mother or it wasn't.   

 

David apologized and Terry and Heather decided to make a big deal out of it nothing more nothing less.  Brooks Ayers has been known to cheat and the Dubrows don't go after him.  THey have always supported him.

[Scrambled Fog]

Watching her segment, I remembered three things I forget to mention. 1) Is this the same "pasture" we saw a few weeks ago? 2) Way to throw your son under the bus, Tamra! 3) If you're going to cry about your loser son, try to produce at least one tear, preferably one from each eye.

I prefer the fake cries.

Whenever Tamra or any other botoxed housewife shed genuine tears, it looks like they are leaking cerebrospinal fluid.

Cringe.

Edited September 30, 2015 by Scrambled Fog

[motorcitymom65]

In short the answer is no.  Terry and Heather were attacking the Beadors period.  It would certainly not change my opinion about how they were treated by the Dubrows.  I never thought David was all that mistreated by Shannon.  A great deal of his behavior was boorish.  Telling someone not to chomp down on chips is not offensive to me-it doesn't look good on camera-doesn't look any better or worse this year knowing he is an adulterer.  The only difference is Shannon didn't ask him not to.  The "some" is kind of meaningless because there are pages and pages of people from the moment the Beador were introduced that said they should divorce.  Same with the Edmonds.  Vicki and Brooks being questioned about Brooks course of treatment inappropriately by Meghan does not give Vicki a free pass to continually attack the Edmonds marriage and financial arrangements within the marriage.

 

Terry had every opportunity to right his behavior at the Reunion and chose not to.  It was only after a lot of backlash that Terry had to swallow his indignation. To me Terry does not like David because David is self made and although he has all the same trappings of wealth he does not choose  to lord it over people like Terry does.  Terry gave Eddie a pass for equally egregious behavior because he knew him better.  David and Eddie's behavior was either inappropriate in front of Terry's mother or it wasn't.   

 

David apologized and Terry and Heather decided to make a big deal out of it nothing more nothing less.  Brooks Ayers has been known to cheat and the Dubrows don't go after him.  THey have always supported him.

Is David self-made? Could be, but if I understand things correctly, his business is a family business. I know nothing about Terry's wealth, but it is possible that he is equally self-made.

Again, I don't think that anything would take away from the way that Terry treated David, as I have said over and over. I only think that some people - clearly not everyone - would have looked at David differently at the reunion had they known he had been banging someone else all the while the show had been filming. That he fucked someone else on Shannon's birthday. It wouldn't have changed Terry at all, just the perception of David. The rule on these shows is that when you are in hot water, do whatever you need to do in order to deflect negative characteristics on to someone else. No one would have liked Terry more clearly, but they might have liked David less. On these shows, that is generally considered a win by the kind of people who would go on a show like this. Change the conversation and make someone else feel the heat. Terry and Heather knew much about David and they said nothing to make him look bad. I think that Shannon appreciates that. She has said as much, and I will take her at her word. I think she is bat-shit crazy - as crazy as any HW ever - but I believe her when she says she believes something. I don't think she is evil, or that she goes out of her way to make others look bad. I also don't think she is a liar, despite all her failings. That is my only point.

[zoeysmom]

David started his business a few years before meeting Shannon, according to Shannon.  I think he is the one that has enjoyed the success. Terry was raised in a two bedroom apartment and his father was a plumber.  So both husbands are self made.  Both men married women from an affluent upbringing and according to Heather she bought the lot their first mansion was built on from her earnings as an actress (something Vicki might want to remember next time she lectures Heather on spending her husband's money). 

 

The rule is for losers and it doesn't fly.  Ask Vicki.  She has been burned over and over going after someone only to have her faults and foibles exceed her target's.  Vicki this year went after Meghan's marriage early and often and look how well that is turning out for Vicki-Brooks broke up with her.  David being an adulterer doesn't make the Dubrows any less phony, condescending  and pretentious. 

 

I think the Dubrows said plenty to make David look bad at the finale and the Reunion. Had Terry made mention of the rumor of the affair it would have been further evidence he wanted to take the Beadors down. Terry even went so far as to blame Vicki for claiming David asked her something inappropriate while changing her clothes at their home.  Tamra with her repeated you're a flirt at the Reunion certainly delivered the message that she knew about David. 

 

So the crazy person is the only one with values?  I don't see Shannon as batshit crazy at all.  I think she is neurotic as all get out but I think she is quite sane.  I don't even see her even delusional like say a Kim Richards or a Sonja.

[motorcitymom65]

David started his business a few years before meeting Shannon, according to Shannon.  I think he is the one that has enjoyed the success. Terry was raised in a two bedroom apartment and his father was a plumber.  So both husbands are self made.  Both men married women from an affluent upbringing and according to Heather she bought the lot their first mansion was built on from her earnings as an actress (something Vicki might want to remember next time she lectures Heather on spending her husband's money). 

 

The rule is for losers and it doesn't fly.  Ask Vicki.  She has been burned over and over going after someone only to have her faults and foibles exceed her target's.  Vicki this year went after Meghan's marriage early and often and look how well that is turning out for Vicki-Brooks broke up with her.  David being an adulterer doesn't make the Dubrows any less phony, condescending  and pretentious. 

 

I think the Dubrows said plenty to make David look bad at the finale and the Reunion. Had Terry made mention of the rumor of the affair it would have been further evidence he wanted to take the Beadors down. Terry even went so far as to blame Vicki for claiming David asked her something inappropriate while changing her clothes at their home.  Tamra with her repeated you're a flirt at the Reunion certainly delivered the message that she knew about David. 

 

So the crazy person is the only one with values?  I don't see Shannon as batshit crazy at all.  I think she is neurotic as all get out but I think she is quite sane.  I don't even see her even delusional like say a Kim Richards or a Sonja.

I know lots of crazy people who have values. I think Shannon is crazy, like over the top nuts (I feel certain there is evidence of this somewhere in her background, which of course we know absolutely nothing about). She is so incredibly brittle and fragile. She makes me nervous often when she is on TV because it often feels like she is about to break apart in a million pieces. I think that the others are all well aware of this. They also think she is a very nice person who means no harm to anyone and for the most part they actually like her now that they have gotten to know her. I think they have come to like her a lot. They also know she is unstable and they want nothing to do with having any part in the breakdown when it eventually happens.

Getting back to the topic of upcoming episodes, we are going to have to revisit more of Shannon's trauma with the affair. The trauma is understandable and her desire to save her marriage honorable. The issue continues to be why she wants to let the whole world know more about David's betrayal. That he felt like he could tell the gal he was banging things that he couldn't tell Shannon. That would hurt to hear, but why replay it all for us? Why replay it for her kids? We get it; David is a giant cheating asshole. No question about it. I stand firm that only a truly crazy person would think this a good idea.

[WireWrap]

First Look is tonight at 10:17 pm.

[zoeysmom]

I know lots of crazy people who have values. I think Shannon is crazy, like over the top nuts (I feel certain there is evidence of this somewhere in her background, which of course we know absolutely nothing about). She is so incredibly brittle and fragile. She makes me nervous often when she is on TV because it often feels like she is about to break apart in a million pieces. I think that the others are all well aware of this. They also think she is a very nice person who means no harm to anyone and for the most part they actually like her now that they have gotten to know her. I think they have come to like her a lot. They also know she is unstable and they want nothing to do with having any part in the breakdown when it eventually happens.

Getting back to the topic of upcoming episodes, we are going to have to revisit more of Shannon's trauma with the affair. The trauma is understandable and her desire to save her marriage honorable. The issue continues to be why she wants to let the whole world know more about David's betrayal. That he felt like he could tell the gal he was banging things that he couldn't tell Shannon. That would hurt to hear, but why replay it all for us? Why replay it for her kids? We get it; David is a giant cheating asshole. No question about it. I stand firm that only a truly crazy person would think this a good idea.

Truly crazy or honest?  I am not necessarily about being brutally honest, and your examples are good ones.  One thing for certain if the marriage doesn't work we will all know what happened.  I think David is somewhat cruel in some of the things he chose to share with Shannon.  Unless there was a receipt for a hotel room on Shannon's birthday I don't think he needed to go there.  It is nice he could be so open and honest with "the affair" but while doing so he was perpetrating a huge fraud on his wife and family. 

 

These women when they suppress or try and dress up the truth seemed to get hammered when they have shared or the others know their truth.  Vicki is a prime example.  She lied or told two different stories about the vow renewal, she suppressed Donn's affairs and hers.  Vicki turns on the others when she gets in the hot seat and turns it on them as being prying.  So maybe Shannon is crazy like a fox-she tells before someone confronts her about not telling.  I don't know if Shannon thought it a good idea or the lesser of two evils.  Shannon by disclosing David being able to be totally open with "the affair"also puts her in the hot seat as not being a good communicator. 

 

There are a lot of things Shannon is over the top honest about-jumping an a scale, talking about her saggy boobs, stress incontinence-not everyone does that-it is almost as if she doesn't know any better.  I think Vicki  and Tamra kind of welcome it and Heather alternates between being appalled and envious. 

 

I don't think there is some secret period of time where Shannon was institutionalized or she is in danger of having a breakdown anytime soon.  I am looking forward to the interview with Shannon and David maybe some of your  burning questions about Shannon's past will be assuaged.  One problem is I have never noticed anyone asking Shannon anything about herself.  The producers picked up from marriage forward.  All I know is Shannon has apparently been married before, speaks Spanish, had Epstein-Barr disease and numerous bouts with pneumonia.   Heather had an interesting past as an actress, Lizzie as a pageant person, what if Shannon worked as an accountant or a file clerk-nothing terribly interesting.  I am not sure what Tamra did between her first and second marriages but I am quite certain she did not live off a family trust.

[Lyra Angelica]

There is no evidence that Shannon is bat shit crazy. Neurotic yes, but clinically, psychologically insane?  No.  Maybe Meghan PI's next case will be to find the evidence, which isn't there, that during the lost years between the time she graduated from college and married David, Shannon was really a catatonic, hair-chewing recluse her wealthy family hid away in some mental institution in Switzerland. This will prove Shannon is faking sanity and because, Justice! (TM Meghan).

 

I guess, in some warped way, Shannon's perceived insanity would serve to justify Tamra's and Heather's despicable gaslighting of her last year.

[motorcitymom65]

There is no evidence that Shannon is bat shit crazy. Neurotic yes, but clinically, psychologically insane?  No.  Maybe Meghan PI's next case will be to find the evidence, which isn't there, that during the lost years between the time she graduated from college and married David, Shannon was really a catatonic, hair-chewing recluse her wealthy family hid away in some mental institution in Switzerland. This will prove Shannon is faking sanity and because, Justice! (TM Meghan).

 

I guess, in some warped way, Shannon's perceived insanity would serve to justify Tamra's and Heather's despicable gaslighting of her last year.

I never thought about it before, but I would love for Meghan to get right on this. Could someone on Twitter point her in the right direction?

[Gam2]

I'd never heard that Shannon was married before, spoke Spanish, had Epstein-Barr, etc. Where did this information come from and how reliable is it? Very interesting!

[motorcitymom65]

I'd never heard that Shannon was married before, spoke Spanish, had Epstein-Barr, etc. Where did this information come from and how reliable is it? Very interesting!

I had heard some of it, but not that she had been married before. I have heard it speculated on, but that is it. When Vicki was going on recently about getting married at 21, having Micheal at 22, then Brianna shortly after, Shannon's response was: "wow, I didn't even get married until my mid 30's". I guess I am just surprised to hear she would have been married before. I wonder what that guy went through to get free of her? I bet he has some stories to tell. Meghan really should get all over this. It would be much more interesting than the cancer stuff.

[Grneyedldy]

Uh oh I think you guys are working on next season's storyline.....

Heather could take a break from picking out solid gold bathroom fixtures and spend a day getting appointments for Shannon with the best psychiatrists in all the land. Then Shannon could instead choose to just go to Dr. Moon. Then later she could invite Tamra over to show Tamra her latest mental health forms. She'll choose Tamra to show the forms to because Tamra is too stupid to read big words. In the mean time Meghan will be calling Shannon's college roommates to see if they know of any time that Shannon was ever "out of town" (aka locked in the loony bin) or if Shannon ever did anything "crazy" during her college years. In the mean time, we occasionally pan over to Vicki who is re enacting the scene from when she got the call that her mother died, for her son Michael to prove to him that it was unfair to her when her mother passed peacefully in her sleep. Of course somewhere in all this, they take a trip to Timbuktu where Vicki gags, does shots and pees on a bed. :-)

[Gam2]

Maybe Zoeysmom can tell us where she found this information and how reliable it is since she was the one who posted about it. I really don't know why I'm interested in this but I am. Apparently, my life is sad.

[AnnA]

My cable guide has the OC First Looks on tonight 10:17 - 10:30 EST

[Ubiquitous]

The only thing I remember from this First View is my annoyance with Tamra saying this was her "first baptism". This moron apparently failed to read about baptisms and that it only happens once.

[Scrambled Fog]

The only thing I remember from this First View is my annoyance with Tamra saying this was her "first baptism". This moron apparently failed to read about baptisms and that it only happens once.

Lmao!

Thanks for this!

[zoeysmom]

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/brooks-ayers-fighting-back-against-meghan-king-edmonds-health-details-2015110

 

Brooks giving away what he said in the Reunion taping.  He continues to sound less and less believable. He issued the infamous Cease & Desist letter to Meghan.  Yawn..

[RedheadZombie]

Is it Brianna's hearing that's lacking or her brain?

Brooks: I didn't tell your husband anything that I'm not sorry for. And I am sorry.

Brianna: You told my husband to start hitting me and you're not sorry for that?

And charming Raging Ryan strikes again - Vicki's house is really dirty and smells weird. It smells like musk. This after Vicki offers to make Ryan a partner in her business, at which time that charmer told her she would be the silent partner, and while Vicki is putting down his baby. Tell me where I can find such an unevolved, angry, hyper-critical prince of a man.

[Bronzedog]

I always thought that Ryan and Brianna were an odd couple until tonight. After listening to the "now the house smells" conversation, I can see that they're united in assholery.