The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, jewel21 said:

Phyllis runs into Dina at the GCAC and they discuss the fact they're both cheaters. Phyllis blames Dina for Jacks's relationship and trust issues, and Dina says if Jack has trust issues it's because of Phyllis cheating on her hubby with his own brother. Phyllis throws the fact that Dina abandoned her kids in her face and says she and could never do such a thing. Dina tells her she he left because she was unhappy in her marriage and because she realized she wasn't a good mother. But, at least she didn't cheat on John with his own brother and then stick around town to rub it in his face. Go, Dina, Hee.

OK, I'll watch this part. *giggles*

[miamama]

36 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

OK, I'll watch this part. *giggles*

Same

[jewel21]

It's a good scene, definitely worth a watch. As is the scene with Jack and Phyllis in his office. There were some great lines.

[HeatLifer]

9 minutes ago, jewel21 said:

It's a good scene, definitely worth a watch. As is the scene with Jack and Phyllis in his office. There were some great lines.

I ended up watching all the scenes, and yeah, it was really good. It's how the story always should have progressed after the Philly affair. Jack angry/lashing out and Phyllis blaming what Victor did to them. I'm assuming this was another Sally day since Phyllis was protecting Jack with Dina and told her that her happiest days were with him. Suck on it, Mal.

Also, one day Gina Tognoni will realize her best acting is opposite Peter Bergman.

[jewel21]

5 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Also, one day Gina Tognoni will realize her best acting is opposite Peter Bergman.

OMG, this.

It was that scene that actually made watch the whole episode without playing on my phone and zoning out. The acting and chemistry was superb.

And off-topic, but I hate Gina's hair. It's so stringy and the color is ugly. I wish she'd go back to being red.

[HeatLifer]

11 minutes ago, jewel21 said:

OMG, this.

It was that scene that actually made watch the whole episode without playing on my phone and zoning out. The acting and chemistry was superb.

And off-topic, but I hate Gina's hair. It's so stringy and the color is ugly. I wish she'd go back to being red.

They are so good at sparring. And everything they say has so much unsaid feeling behind it. I've made it clear that I hate Philly, lol, but one thing I will say about the story right now is they won't say that Phyllis loves Billy over Jack. The story is still very much that Phyllis believes Victor caused the damage and Jack doesn't want her anymore. 

I'm not a fan of the dark roots blonde-hair look, but I also don't want her red hair back until she's actually Red again and not this school girl dumbass she is in the majority of her scenes.

[NeverLate]

Hmm, I was bored today. Is Chloe gone for good now? Having taking those pills. If so, so does the secret with Victor.

Ashley get over yourself, and if you don't want to make up with your mother, let everyone else.

I don't like Dina's hair, its a dull stringy mess With all her money, that's the best she can do

I liked Scott when he first appeared, now he seems to have changed. Of course being with Sharon will sap anyone's pizazz.; ( :(  Give him back his edge.

Edited May 31, 2017 by F. M.

[Diane M]

On 5/27/2017 at 9:43 PM, jewel21 said:

This is a small town where everyone seems to hang out at Crimson Lights,

But GC isn't a small town.  Have you noticed all the skyscrapers you can see out of Newman Towers?  It's really a big city, which makes it all the more ridiculous that all our characters eat meals at either the GCAC or the restaurant at top of Newman Towers and drink their coffee at Crimson Lights.  Also, whenever someone needs a 'suite', they always bunk at GCAC.

[bannana]

So Chloe is dead.  Or is she?  There is shot of her in the morgue, so I think it may be true but up until then I thought it was a ruse.  What a dumb way to end this storyline.  And yet another of Pricktor's casualties.  Which, with the timing of Traci being on the show today, just brings home how many young women he has destroyed and or killed.

Oh, Cane, you are going to go down with self inflicted wounds.  As expected, Hil encourages Juliet to file a sexual discrimination suit.  Or was it harassment? 

The Abbott dinner was very entertaining, one of the few scenes I have actually closely watched in months.  Traci was a welcome change.  Odd that Dina didn't mention Colleen.  The other Pricktor casualty.

Oh, and Pricktor is blaming himself for everything, and is very sad, and is making really odd noises when punching a bag.

Even with Chloe dead, surely there would be an investigation into how she came to be living with her doctor?

[valleycliffe]

LOL  and usually the "suite" is just a large hotel room...true suites have the bedroom separate from living space not combined with it..  when i stay in a hotel, i ask for the room with the king bed which comes with couch and often small table and side chair..

[Capricasix]

Yeah, that was a stupid way to end that storyline. I get that they take liberties with medical stuff, but there's no way she would have died so quickly unless she took poison or something. 

[Big Blue Plate]

I thought she was faking too... and the morgue shot could be faking us out but maybe she's really dead.  On the other hand, the 'nuclear option' was mentioned enough times... a big elaborate hoax to shuttle her to somewhere else safe... that's soapy.  Because it wasn't a very sad end if that was actually the end of her... she came on, she annoyed, she swallowed a few pills and spilled the rest.  I dunno.  I am not sure she is dead.  I thought there's also kind of an unspoken rule or convention that light drama doesn't do suicide stories.  Real drama, yes, when you're telling a complex story in detail... but soaps are short on suicide because it's bad taste as a plot device.  Now if this was the impetus to the ultimate imprisonment of Victor Newman, maybe.  But we all know that's never gonna happen.

Also I don't know where this Dina story is going.  Anvils dropped when she twice said "Graeme dotes on me.  He watches over me" as the open and close of a block of lines.  I replayed it twice and even if I hadn't heard it Traci made that did I swallow that drumstick whole? face.  So either she's communicating code that Graeme has taken her mental hostage or something or... my greater fear because how dull... we're going into a Dinamentia story.  Yuck.  I kinda like the feisty old gal.  With some thinking they could do a Jill / Chancellor redux.  God knows there's enough hostility there to pull it off.  I don't want that kind of a story.  It's dumb. 

Also look closely and it looks like Mrs. Martinez served them tacky ass spaghetti for dinner. LOLZ... Ashley engineered that.  Foie gras, Madame?  Mais non. C'est Spaghettios a la Chef Boyardee. 

[bannana]

17 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

I thought she was faking too... and the morgue shot could be faking us out but maybe she's really dead.  On the other hand, the 'nuclear option' was mentioned enough times... a big elaborate hoax to shuttle her to somewhere else safe... that's soapy.  Because it wasn't a very sad end if that was actually the end of her... she came on, she annoyed, she swallowed a few pills and spilled the rest.  I dunno.  I am not sure she is dead.  I thought there's also kind of an unspoken rule or convention that light drama doesn't do suicide stories.  Real drama, yes, when you're telling a complex story in detail... but soaps are short on suicide because it's bad taste as a plot device.  Now if this was the impetus to the ultimate imprisonment of Victor Newman, maybe.  But we all know that's never gonna happen.

Also I don't know where this Dina story is going.  Anvils dropped when she twice said "Graeme dotes on me.  He watches over me" as the open and close of a block of lines.  I replayed it twice and even if I hadn't heard it Traci made that did I swallow that drumstick whole? face.  So either she's communicating code that Graeme has taken her mental hostage or something or... my greater fear because how dull... we're going into a Dinamentia story.  Yuck.  I kinda like the feisty old gal.  With some thinking they could do a Jill / Chancellor redux.  God knows there's enough hostility there to pull it off.  I don't want that kind of a story.  It's dumb. 

Also look closely and it looks like Mrs. Martinez served them tacky ass spaghetti for dinner. LOLZ... Ashley engineered that.  Foie gras, Madame?  Mais non. C'est Spaghettios a la Chef Boyardee. 

I think you are correct @Big Blue Plate, that suicide is usually avoided.  The parts that made me think she is really and truly dead:

• they are shipping her body back to GC for burial--but maybe they will accidentally cremate her and then we'll know she is alive
• Pricktor's reaction whilst alone was one of sadness and regret

I also agree that the nuclear option would be not killing her, but admitting her to another institution or something like that.  Which could be the case.

Or, maybe Chloe is as dastardly as she was before and she herself is faking her own death and will disappear.  Naked.  From the  morgue.

Yes, I thought that the anvils were for a dementia story for Dina.  I also am not interested in this, as I lived through it and many viewers have/are.  Real life is depressing enough.  Maybe there was something else though, because Traci also said that Dina was not the same or had changed, or words to that effect.  That could mean dementia, but why would you explain it that way?  And Dina is still pretty bitchy, but she is less strident, I guess.  So isn't that just what happens when you are old, seeing your mortality and having regrets?  Gah, I hope this is not another doppelganger storyline.  Either way, so far I am enjoying the Dina storyline and I wasn't around for the times when she returned in the past, so maybe that is why.

Wonder if Dina will get to meet Keemo and Kyle?

[Big Blue Plate]

3 minutes ago, bannana said:

they are shipping her body back to GC for burial--but maybe they will accidentally cremate her and then we'll know she is alive

That's the ding ding ding moment... still it's a toss up right now. 

4 minutes ago, bannana said:

Yes, I thought that the anvils were for a dementia story for Dina.  I also am not interested in this, as I lived through it and many viewers have/are. 

Me too.  Twice.  Somewhat like suicide it is a story that deserves delicacy and time to be told properly and with dignity.  Dina isn't established enough as a character to tug at the heart strings.  It's her story too, if it is so.  That's the kind of long good night Emmy winner that should go to a Victor or a Nikki when the time is right.  I hope they don't go there.  I also think Marla Adams is adding some new life to the show... ironically, perhaps, given her age... it would be waste to go down this road.  Someone please Tweet Anjelica McDrivethru and tell her.  We're not on speaking terms. 

7 minutes ago, bannana said:

Either way, so far I am enjoying the Dina storyline and I wasn't around for the times when she returned in the past, so maybe that is why.

 

Barring her original return her other returns have been brief to drive by.  You didn't miss much.

[jewel21]

I really enjoyed today's episode.

Chloe appears to be dead. The doctor shows up and tells Chelsea that there's no pulse and calls the EMTs. Chelsea calls Nick in tears and asks him to come to the house. Chelsea is devastated. She tells Nick that she was just supposed to confront Chloe, they would argue, and Chloe would be arrested. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, Chelsea.

Chelsea tells the doctor to send the body to Genoa City and the family will take care of the funeral arrangements. At the end, we get a close up of Chloe laying on a metal slab in the morgue. I don't know if Chloe is really dead. They kept mentioning the 'Nuclear Option' that I almost expect her to have taken a drug that just mimicks death. I guess we will see.

Nick calls Victor about Chloe's death and Victor seems genuinely upset. He is in the barn, wearing his black t-shirt of virility, and hitting the punching bag. Nikki comes in and he tells her Chloe is dead and confesses that he had paid a doctor to care for Chloe but she freaked out with Nick and Chlelsea coming for her and took her own life.

Dina comes to the Abbott house for dinner and it's a bit awkward but also sweet. At one point, Dina starts singing a song she used to sing to the kids. Jack is the only one who remembers the song and sings along with his mother. Dina says she wishes Ashley and Traci had been older and could have remembered the good times they shared together and not just the bad. Even Ashley, Ice Queen extraordinaire, seems touched and tears up a little. They all take a selfie and then Graham comes to take Dina back to the GCAC. There is one point at the diner when Dina repeats herself and Traci seems to be the only one to really notice. Personally, I think Dina has dementia and that is probably why she has decided to sell Mergeron.

Abby tells Jack she doesn't feel good lying to Victor about their side business and wants to come clean. Jack gives her a look. 

Juliet meets with Cane and calls Cane on the fact that, rather than try to save Juliet's job, he just wanted to convince Vicky to fire Billy. Cane says maybe Juliet should heard back to Tokyo since no one there would have heard of the hockey league, and no one there knows they slept together. In other words, Hilary can't say anything. Juliet is not impressed. Lily shows up and informs Juliet that Devon and her dad have just started their own business and she can put in a good word for her. Juliet thanks Lily and mentions Cane wanted her to go back to Tokyo. Lily is surprised by Cane's suggestion. Later, Juliet meets up with Hilary who informs Juliet that she holds all the cards because she can launch a sexual suit again B&S.

Preview show a crying Chelsea telling Kevin she's so sorry.

[Big Blue Plate]

2 minutes ago, jewel21 said:

Chloe appears to be dead. The doctor shows up and tells Chelsea that there's no pulse and calls the EMTs.

Except I am troubled by no police.  I admit I totally don't get what is going with this. 

[bannana]

4 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Except I am troubled by no police.  I admit I totally don't get what is going with this. 

That's another check mark for a fake death, but orchestrated by Pricktor, not Chloe, because how could she have gotten EMTs to come but not cops?  So confusing.

[Artsda]

I was expecting her eyes to open while she was laying in the morgue. 

[miamama]

Seems to me if you're going to kill off a fairly long term character, especially a young mother who is the daughter of a long, long term vet (if only Esther), you give her a compelling, onscreen death. I haven't watched a bit of Chloe and I've not read too closely about this storyline but for this reason I don't think she's dead. 

[bannana]

12 minutes ago, miamama said:

Seems to me if you're going to kill off a fairly long term character, especially a young mother who is the daughter of a long, long term vet (if only Esther), you give her a compelling, onscreen death. I haven't watched a bit of Chloe and I've not read too closely about this storyline but for this reason I don't think she's dead. 

I'm with you @miamama.  Doesn't seem like the correct send off for Chloe.  I cannot believe this, but I am kind of rooting for her to have outsmarted the doc and Pricktor.  Only because I have really, really, hated Chloe for a long time.  But my Pricktor hate is greater.  Wouldn't it be great if she shows up at the Ranch, and torments him?

[DivaT]

On 5/29/2017 at 8:22 PM, Gloriole33 said:

Phyllis didn't have to abandon her kids.  They abandoned her.  And, per MAB's ret-conned backstory, Phyllis abandoned her sister and parents.  STFU, Phyllis.

And over a Ponzi scheme no less. I never bought that Phyllis I met scamming Danny would give a rats butt about her father stealing money. What a let down that was. 

[NeverLate]

3 hours ago, Artsda said:

I was expecting her eyes to open while she was laying in the morgue. 

Me too! It was all too slick, the EMT' s. Of course soaps are infamous for having people die/notdie. Hello Sheila Carter :) 

[boes]

2 hours ago, bannana said:

I'm with you @miamama.  Doesn't seem like the correct send off for Chloe.  I cannot believe this, but I am kind of rooting for her to have outsmarted the doc and Pricktor.  Only because I have really, really, hated Chloe for a long time.  But my Pricktor hate is greater.  Wouldn't it be great if she shows up at the Ranch, and torments him?

I agree, 100 percent.  Chloe is one of my least favorite characters but she wins over that dangling ganglion Victor every time.

[bannana]

5 hours ago, jewel21 said:

I really enjoyed today's episode.

Chloe appears to be dead. The doctor shows up and tells Chelsea that there's no pulse and calls the EMTs. Chelsea calls Nick in tears and asks him to come to the house. Chelsea is devastated. She tells Nick that she was just supposed to confront Chloe, they would argue, and Chloe would be arrested. Shoulda, coulda, woulda, Chelsea.

Chelsea tells the doctor to send the body to Genoa City and the family will take care of the funeral arrangements. At the end, we get a close up of Chloe laying on a metal slab in the morgue. I don't know if Chloe is really dead. They kept mentioning the 'Nuclear Option' that I almost expect her to have taken a drug that just mimicks death. I guess we will see.

Nick calls Victor about Chloe's death and Victor seems genuinely upset. He is in the barn, wearing his black t-shirt of virility, and hitting the punching bag. Nikki comes in and he tells her Chloe is dead and confesses that he had paid a doctor to care for Chloe but she freaked out with Nick and Chlelsea coming for her and took her own life.

Dina comes to the Abbott house for dinner and it's a bit awkward but also sweet. At one point, Dina starts singing a song she used to sing to the kids. Jack is the only one who remembers the song and sings along with his mother. Dina says she wishes Ashley and Traci had been older and could have remembered the good times they shared together and not just the bad. Even Ashley, Ice Queen extraordinaire, seems touched and tears up a little. They all take a selfie and then Graham comes to take Dina back to the GCAC. There is one point at the diner when Dina repeats herself and Traci seems to be the only one to really notice. Personally, I think Dina has dementia and that is probably why she has decided to sell Mergeron.

Abby tells Jack she doesn't feel good lying to Victor about their side business and wants to come clean. Jack gives her a look. 

Juliet meets with Cane and calls Cane on the fact that, rather than try to save Juliet's job, he just wanted to convince Vicky to fire Billy. Cane says maybe Juliet should heard back to Tokyo since no one there would have heard of the hockey league, and no one there knows they slept together. In other words, Hilary can't say anything. Juliet is not impressed. Lily shows up and informs Juliet that Devon and her dad have just started their own business and she can put in a good word for her. Juliet thanks Lily and mentions Cane wanted her to go back to Tokyo. Lily is surprised by Cane's suggestion. Later, Juliet meets up with Hilary who informs Juliet that she holds all the cards because she can launch a sexual suit again B&S.

Preview show a crying Chelsea telling Kevin she's so sorry.

And thank you @jewel21, for the excellent recap!

[Toomuchsoap]

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What a dumb way to end this storyline. 

If it is ended. Even with the morgue shot, I'm not sure we can be certain. I think SSM had to create a scenario in which it would be safe for Adam to return/be returned from the Bardo at some point. I rather think "the nuclear option" Victor spoke of wouldn't have involved snuffing Chloe, but stuffing her in an institution permanently, maybe somewhere offshore and out of the country. It is true that daytime hasn't had any character actually commit suicide that I can think of, but why would that be something verboten? Viewers are not so sheltered that they haven't been exposed to that sad reality and if she really did kill herself, it wasn't in a grisly manner and we didn't see her do it. Maybe we'll find out that there was an underlying cause for the death, because we didn't see her actually overdose and maybe that wasn't the COD ultimately.

(I'm actually thinking at this point that she's not dead and this is some elaborate ruse created by Victor and the doctor and THIS is the nuclear option they spoke of, because anything involving Victor shouldn't be taken at face value IMO.)

10 hours ago, F. M. said:

Me too! It was all too slick, the EMT' s. Of course soaps are infamous for having people die/notdie. Hello Sheila Carter :) 

And "Chance" Chancellor in the infamous shootout with his erstwhile half brother Ronan Malloy.

[Toomuchsoap]

15 hours ago, bannana said:

Pricktor's reaction whilst alone was one of sadness and regret

Well, he might have been saddened to have had to ship her off to some mental institution lockup for the rest of her life too - though he was having her held against her will and overmedicated by a private doctor in a private residence which is little better than a formal institution as far as I can tell.

[peacheslatour]

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Oh, and Pricktor is blaming himself for everything, and is very sad, and is making really odd noises when punching a bag.

Nah, he just had too much covfefe this morning, it gave him a bad case of bloating and gas.

[boes]

3 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Nah, he just had too much covfefe this morning, it gave him a bad case of bloating and gas.

I understand.  Covfefe does the same to me, even when I get it from twitter.  Nothing like a heapin' helpin' o cofveve, is there?  Though I hear Angela Merkel prefers Canadian Club.

[peacheslatour]

Just now, boes said:

I understand.  Covfefe does the same to me, even when I get it from twitter.  Nothing like a heapin' helpin' o cofveve, is there?  Though I hear Angela Merkel prefers Canadian Club.

So does Ivanka. Who wouldn't prefer the Canadian Dreamboat?

[NeverLate]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

So does Ivanka. Who wouldn't prefer the Canadian Dreamboat?

Me, he's an idiot.

[babyhouseman]

21 hours ago, bannana said:

I'm with you @miamama.  Doesn't seem like the correct send off for Chloe.  I cannot believe this, but I am kind of rooting for her to have outsmarted the doc and Pricktor.  Only because I have really, really, hated Chloe for a long time.  But my Pricktor hate is greater.  Wouldn't it be great if she shows up at the Ranch, and torments him?

Along with Pattycakes. 

[Big Blue Plate]

10 hours ago, Toomuchsoap said:

It is true that daytime hasn't had any character actually commit suicide that I can think of, but why would that be something verboten?

So in my career I've worked in both TV news and for a major transit system.  In transit, we had at least a jump a month.  If news heard of delay and found out suicide was the reason they left it alone.  In news, the convention was you didn't cover suicide because you didn't want to do anything to legitimize it in the eyes of the vulnerable.  It is such a complex situation that it is ill suited to brevity. I assume that spilled over to dramatizations.  Generally still you don't see a lot of suicide storylines in the good dramas.  (I was always amazed Knots Landing did it years ago.)  It's probably an assumption based on poor data or superstition or what have you, but again, the general feeling is you don't do anything to legitimize it.  Erring on the side of caution is what it boils down to, I guess. 

[Toomuchsoap]

11 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

So in my career I've worked in both TV news and for a major transit system.  In transit, we had at least a jump a month.  If news heard of delay and found out suicide was the reason they left it alone.  In news, the convention was you didn't cover suicide because you didn't want to do anything to legitimize it in the eyes of the vulnerable.  It is such a complex situation that it is ill suited to brevity. I assume that spilled over to dramatizations.  Generally still you don't see a lot of suicide storylines in the good dramas.  (I was always amazed Knots Landing did it years ago.)  It's probably an assumption based on poor data or superstition or what have you, but again, the general feeling is you don't do anything to legitimize it.  Erring on the side of caution is what it boils down to, I guess. 

Got it, and given the heartbreaking numbers of children that off themselves, I can see trying to minimize this. Which is why, at the end ofthe day I believe this is yet another Victurd elaborate hoax complete with crocodile tears for the departed.

[Big Blue Plate]

I agree but they better resolve it quick. If she is dead and they wanted to make Victor culpable there were lots of tragic ways to make it happen that didn't require this.  An odd turn. 

[Artsda]

Aww poor Kevin. 

Can't stand Victor, but liked him pointing out to Victoria that she hated Adam when she tried to act like she cared. More people need to point out to every Newman except Abby that they hated Adam when they try and act like they care now and so sad. Nick especially!

Edited June 1, 2017 by Artsda

[Capricasix]

10 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

So in my career I've worked in both TV news and for a major transit system.  In transit, we had at least a jump a month.  If news heard of delay and found out suicide was the reason they left it alone.  In news, the convention was you didn't cover suicide because you didn't want to do anything to legitimize it in the eyes of the vulnerable.  It is such a complex situation that it is ill suited to brevity. I assume that spilled over to dramatizations.  Generally still you don't see a lot of suicide storylines in the good dramas.  (I was always amazed Knots Landing did it years ago.)  It's probably an assumption based on poor data or superstition or what have you, but again, the general feeling is you don't do anything to legitimize it.  Erring on the side of caution is what it boils down to, I guess. 

The TTC in Toronto used to follow this convention, but recently they've started to be more open about it in the hopes of reducing the stigma around mental illness. So now they'll announce, for example, a "personal injury at track level" at whatever station, and consequent delays on the line.

[miamama]

1 hour ago, Capricasix said:

The TTC in Toronto used to follow this convention, but recently they've started to be more open about it in the hopes of reducing the stigma around mental illness. So now they'll announce, for example, a "personal injury at track level" at whatever station, and consequent delays on the line.

ah, interesting. In my day it was silence (from the TTC loudspeakers) and everyone (on the train) grumbling because of delays. 

I remember show had Traci attempt suicide years and years ago. She turned on the gas stove, and Cricket, in what was the premiere of the Saint Cricket arc that lasted a decade or more, found her passed out on the sofa. I still remember LLB breaking the basement window (Danny's apt?). It was well done as I recall. Traci's self-esteem issues and angst had been shown since her arrival on the show -- and built in a careful arc that included Dina -- and this was the culmination. But this Chloe thing is not this. It's a bizarre approach -- as @Big Blue Plate says. It's plot heavy rather than character based. A suicide story should not be a plot-driven story IMO. Even if it's a fake out. But that's what the FF button is for I suppose. 

Edited June 1, 2017 by miamama

[sharz]

I'm thinking that Kevin and Chloe are in cahoots and given that he's due to be leaving the show this summer, he and Chloe will go hide off somewhere to raise Bella. 

[NeverLate]

1 hour ago, sharz said:

I'm thinking that Kevin and Chloe are in cahoots and given that he's due to be leaving the show this summer, he and Chloe will go hide off somewhere to raise Bella. 

When you have watched soaps for a long time, you know some things are just not right. Chloe being dead and suicide being repeated over and over is one of them. Can Adam, or new Adam come back please. 

[HeatLifer]

Phyllis: She made me out to be the biggest lying bitch in the world!

Jack: Biggest in the world? That might be a stretch. 

LMAOOOOOOOO.

[bannana]

Okay, so Chloe is probably not dead with the number of mentions from numerous people that she would never kill herself.  Plus the preview that show the funeral is the next day.  That would be impossible.  Loved how Prick said the doc was a good Samaritan.

So, we have a clue re Dina.  Graham has some sort of control of her, which includes physical control/abuse.  Dina is going along with it, but he is in control. 

2 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Phyllis: She made me out to be the biggest lying bitch in the world!

Jack: Biggest in the world? That might be a stretch. 

LMAOOOOOOOO.

Jack is getting such great dialogue lately, it is fun to watch.

[Big Blue Plate]

So I don't think Dina's got dementia now.  At least as much.  Graeme is obviously no good.  I wonder if we're going to wind up with a who killed Graeme story? 

I am a fairly consistent Phyllis booster but even I was WTF? at her whining to Jack that Dina called her on her messy love life.  The whole point seemed to be the clumsy loved you with all my heart line... I didn't take Jack's facial reaction as yeah, right? but more oh, really?  I thought Nikki's scenes with kids were honest and thoughtful and interesting... MTS delivered well, in particular.  I've really enjoyed the last few days.  It's just felt real and settled to me for the most part.  

11 hours ago, miamama said:

in what was the premiere of the Saint Cricket arc that lasted a decade or more

Really?  It felt much longer.  ;)

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, bannana said:

Jack is getting such great dialogue lately, it is fun to watch.

I love his dialogue with Phyllis. No mercy. It's the best. 

[miamama]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

I love his dialogue with Phyllis. No mercy. It's the best. 

It's a huge relief that Jack is not destroyed by the Philly love. Nor is show going with the "Phyllis fell in love with Billy thereby ending Phack" angle that GT tried to peddle. Victor's machinations broke them and Billy took advantage and as Jack said to Phyllis the other day she "made a choice." In other words, Jack dumped Phyllis for being cheating trash and she is with Billy because Jack wouldn't forgive her. He's her consolation prize. Bwah. 

2 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

I am a fairly consistent Phyllis booster but even I was WTF? at her whining to Jack that Dina called her on her messy love life.

That scene was very very weird. As though Jack owes her a thing, least of all being angry his mother took his side against his cheating ex. So so so odd. 

2 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

So I don't think Dina's got dementia now.  At least as much.  Graeme is obviously no good.  I wonder if we're going to wind up with a who killed Graeme story? 

 

Do we think she does have dementia AND Graham/Graeme is taking advantage? I mean she his pointedly making mistakes. It could just be she is elderly and vulnerable and he's got a lock on her and NOT dementia. Either way the Graham stuff is a great layer in an already good story. Did not see that one coming. 

Edited June 2, 2017 by miamama

[NeverLate]

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Do we think she does have dementia AND Graham/Graeme is taking advantage? I mean she his pointedly making mistakes. It could just be she is elderly and vulnerable and he's got a lock on her and NOT dementia

Clearly something is wrong, she remembers,  then she doesn't  

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, F. M. said:

Clearly something is wrong, she remembers,  then she doesn't  

Right. And was it clear "abuse" by Graham? I didn't watch (only read at this point) but he just grabbed her arm or wrist, right? It may be a red herring. She's not dying but there is a sense of urgency as Graham let slip. The "plan" may have been a reunion with her kids and a return to Paris so that they don't witness her deterioration. She herself may have wanted this plan initially but the visit has gone far better than she hoped. I'm not convinced Graham is a bad guy. Though I'm game for it if he is. 

[TwistedSoul7]

I don't think Chloe is dead. That seems way too easy. The doctor seemed trapped by Victor and shocked by what Chelsea and Nick were saying. I think he wanted out the situation and faked Chloe's death. He barely touched her when he declared her dead. I could be wrong but I think the doctor is helping Chloe be free from Victor and we will learn this very soon.

I laughed at Phyllis being all offended that Jack didn't seem to give a royal fuck that Dina shamed her. She tried to lay some guilt trip on Jack but he didn't bite. Phyllis needs a reality check. You cheated on your husband with his brother and is currently dating that brother. And you upset Jack didn't defend you? Glad Jack seems to have moved on. Sure it will sting from time to time but overall he seems to be over it. Jack is not the ex she needs to worry about though I think she wises he was. 

Graham does seem shady. I don't know what their deal is but clearly something is going on.

[bannana]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

Right. And was it clear "abuse" by Graham? I didn't watch (only read at this point) but he just grabbed her arm or wrist, right? It may be a red herring. She's not dying but there is a sense of urgency as Graham let slip. The "plan" may have been a reunion with her kids and a return to Paris so that they don't witness her deterioration. She herself may have wanted this plan initially but the visit has gone far better than she hoped. I'm not convinced Graham is a bad guy. Though I'm game for it if he is. 

It was abuse.  He is in control and then when she did not comply he grabbed her by the arm, and hurt her. This is not a situation where he is a caregiver.

The plan, I am assuming, is something financial, and he is in control of her finances.

[IOU Payne]

I'd be surprised if they weren't going in the direction of elder abuse as a storyline.  This is timely, with the aging population (cue the Stones singing "What a drag it is getting old").  They can't go down that road with TGVN for obvious reasons, so they brought back Dina. 

As for Chloe, I think she's as dead as Adam.  Which is about as dead as I am, i.e., not at all.  In fact, I'm going to start referring to each of them as NRDChloe and NRDAdam (NRD = Not Really Dead).  I don't think Dr. John-Boy would ever go nuclear as per the pre-arranged plan, nor has Chloe ever shown any signs of being suicidal, as Kevin pointed out.  So it's a ruse!

[Big Blue Plate]

I am slightly less convinced it is dementia... It just doesn't feel Y&R to me.  Additionally, she seemed to have her marbles all as needed in every scene prior to the last few days.  Plus, they're in the ratings tank so a big exploration of memory loss with a reasonably minor character last seen in 2008 doesn't really seem like a strategy to goose the numbers.  

So what would?  A classic soapy goodness plot just occurred to me:

Graeme is drugging her to do his evil bidding. 

Edited June 2, 2017 by Big Blue Plate