The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[bannana]

On October 23, 2016 at 9:24 AM, miamama said:

They made a point of indicating Travis knew Curtis (in that scene with Victor). He asked about his golf game. FWIW.

But it would seem Jack is being played. Victor warned Curtis to be aware of a threat. Curtis initially turned Jack down. We all saw these scenes. Then Curtis gives Jack info. Victor is on the phone talking to someone saying "good job." And Victor is going around asking people to tell Jack to back off (as though he's really "scared.")

So much for my hope Jack could win for once.

Thanks miamama!  I clearly missed quite a bit!  So now I am really pissed because I don't want to see Jack beaten by Prick again.  I don't know if I can stand everyone turning on Sharon, Prick beating Jack and Chloe getting away with whatever the heck it is she did to Adam.  ARGH.

Edited October 24, 2016 by bannana

[peacheslatour]

1 hour ago, bannana said:

Thanks miasma!  I clearly missed quite a bit!  So now I am really pissed because I don't want to see Jack beaten by Prick again.  I don't know if I can stand everyone turning on Sharon, Prick beating Jack and Chloe getting away with whatever the heck it is she did to Adam.  ARGH.

Lol bannana! I'm sure our lovely miamama smells as fresh as clean linen..

[bannana]

2 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Lol bannana! I'm sure our lovely miamama smells as fresh as clean linen..

Ha Ha!  There goes that damn auto correct.  When I do recaps it keeps changing Pricktor to Proctor.  I should know better!

[NinjaPenguins]

Jack's not going to win against Victor? This is the bold, fresh storytelling- no, I can't. I can't recycle the same wise ass comments for the same old recycled storyline. Not again. Look, whoever is in the pics with the mule and the butterscotch syrup that Eric Braeden is holding, just come forward and end the madness. Don't make me watch another Victor victory lap, dandruff and mustache wax and sweat flying through the air as he crosses the finish line and steps on Jack's face with his orthopedic cleats.

[crowsworks]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Jack's not going to win against Victor? This is the bold, fresh storytelling- no, I can't. I can't recycle the same wise ass comments for the same old recycled storyline. Not again. Look, whoever is in the pics with the mule and the butterscotch syrup that Eric Braeden is holding, just come forward and end the madness. Don't make me watch another Victor victory lap, dandruff and mustache wax and sweat flying through the air as he crosses the finish line and steps on Jack's face with his orthopedic cleats.

http://www.cbs.com/feedback/   Start bitchin'

[miamama]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Lol bannana! I'm sure our lovely miamama smells as fresh as clean linen..

so funny. 

[jewel21]

Dylan won't let the whole stalking thing go. He's like a dog with a bone. He's questioning Mariah about visiting Patty, and when Sharon's phone rings and she makes a grab for it, he keeps telling her to give it to him. It's Patty but Sharon pretends it's a telemarketer wanting to give her an estimate on her roof. Dylan keeps demanding the phone, even after Sharon announces the person hung up. Dylan tells Sharon to give it to him so he can block the number but Sharon badly lies that her battery just died and asks Dylan to get Sully another blanket. Once Dullen leaves the room, Sharon starts freaking out rather loudly and Mariah tells her to calm her ass down. Sharon says Patty wants to know the plan but that there is no plan and she's going to lose Sully. Mariah tells her to get a grip but they are interrupted by Dylan coming back. Mariah eventually manages to get away from 20 questions Dylan and goes to the coffee shop.

Chloe and Kevin do the deed and then Kevin goes downstairs to get the bottle of wine they opened earlier. Cue Chelsea and Connor coming home and finding Kevin standing stark naked in their living room. Kevin grabs a small baby blanket to cover himself with and I chuckle. Chloe comes down and finds the whole situation amusing as well. Kevin walks (backwards) up the stairs while Chelsea and Chloe watch him.

Kevin eventually leaves, wearing one of Chloe's shirts since she's wearing his at the moment, and the goes to Crimson Lights. There, while on his laptop, he runs into Mariah who has gone there to escape Dylan and his never ending questions. She mentions Sharon getting another call and Kevin is seconds away from finding out who it came from despite Mariah telling him it's fine. But, it turns out the search warrant Dylan got just expired so it will remain a secret. Mariah is relieved. She figures out Choe and Kevin did the deed and says she's very happy for him. A super happy Kevin goes to get them hot chocolate.

Chelsea and Chloe are taking and Chelsea tells Chloe that Kevin really loves her and she hopes Chloe is as serious about what just happened as Kevin is because she doesn't want to see him get hurt. They continue to talk and it eventually because an argument when Chloe says that Chelsea should try and move on . Chelsea says there is no time limit on her grieving and is offended by Chloe's suggestion. They eventually smooth things over.

Cane missed the kids Halloween play and Charlie is upset. They see Cane at the club with a woman. He's having a business meeting. The twins start acting out at one point, and the lady he's having the meeting with says some not nice things about the twins and their parents. Cane tell her he's one of the parents, and he has great kids and loves them like crazy. And, he missed their play to be there with her tonight to close a deal. When Lily is scolding the twins for interrupting their guests, Cane comes up and gives them a hug, says he loves them, and calls Lily the glue that holds them all together. He has the kids show him video of the play and the business lady comes up and tells Cane she will approve the deal because Cane is the type of person she wants to do business with.

Paulie goes to visit is sister again. He's asking her about Mariah visiting her, Dr. Anderson, Sharon, her paintings and Fairview. Patty freaks out and Paul screams for an orderly. Eventually, Patty calms down and Paul says after speaking with Patty's doctors, they feel Patty should be moved to another facility closer to GC. The doctors feel this facility is better equipped to take care of her Patty and Paul says it's closer so he can visit with her more. Patty is happy but trying to hide it. Later, we see Patty alone sitting in a chair with spotlight on her surrounded by darkness. She's remembering confronting Dr. Anderson about Sharon and later stabbing her to death.

Paul shows up at the cottage and is also asking Sharon questions about that stupid pregnant painting. Sharon says she doesn't know why Patty painted it. Paul says Patty mentioned that they helped each other at Fairview but Sharon plays dumb. And basically tells Paul his sister is batshit crazy and maybe she's making up some fantasy reality that never existed.

[HeatLifer]

Billy to Jack: You're going down the same road I did.

Wait, is Jack obsessively stalking Victoria and trying to convince her to screw him?! 

And, dammit, Dave! Do your job!

[peacheslatour]

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Paul shows up at the cottage and is also asking Sharon questions about that stupid pregnant painting.

So, this is how the big REVEAL is going to come about? Please, let this be Pratt's terrible writing and not anyone from the new regime. My god, the Preverts could come up with a better scenario with both typing hands tied behind their backs.

[Big Blue Plate]

WTF with Mary-Paul Williams, Breach of the Peace?  First he sets Patty off on nuclear settings and then he's screaming down the hall at the orderly to mop up.  

I know Dougie is a veteran and he's got a big one in his Gloria Vanderbilts and ... well, I guess all he's got is time on his side and a legendary side arm, but that doesn't excuse his acting choices.  He's either crying or screaming.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Once Dullen leaves the room, Sharon starts freaking out rather loudly and Mariah tells her to calm her ass down

On a tangent to this, is Wisconsin one of the state's voting on medicinal cannabis this year? Cuz Sharon sure could use a sweet bowl the way she jumps at frigging everything.It can't hurt.

Plus, it's one of the very few topics that no show on daytime has touched on, so it could be a notch on Y&R's bed post for that. 

[miamama]

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

WTF with Mary-Paul Williams, Breach of the Peace?  First he sets Patty off on nuclear settings and then he's screaming down the hall at the orderly to mop up.  

I know Dougie is a veteran and he's got a big one in his Gloria Vanderbilts and ... well, I guess all he's got is time on his side and a legendary side arm, but that doesn't excuse his acting choices.  He's either crying or screaming.

We agree on DD. He's dreadful. 

5 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Billy to Jack: You're going down the same road I did.

Wait, is Jack obsessively stalking Victoria and trying to convince her to screw him?! 

And, dammit, Dave! Do your job!

I know, right? Do you think Jack will be able to say that him? "Oh right. You caught me. I've been sleeping with Victoria and we are IN LOVE."

[NinjaPenguins]

Paul gets... emotional around Patty. Ask boes for more details. I can't bring myself to talk about it.

Oh Billy. Buttbiscuit Road is a one way, dead end path to nowhere just wide enough for your concave no-pack and flatiron buttocks. I seriously doubt Jack is taking a stroll down your loser lane.

The Sully story is Reliquary levels of bad, but without the unintended lulz. Hot Banana dragging his knuckles toward the truth isn't sweetening the pot. Why anyone thought that a human female could mate with a telephone pole, I'll never know. 

[MollyB]

20 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Cane missed the kids Halloween play and Charlie is upset. They see Cane at the club with a woman. He's having a business meeting. The twins start acting out at one point, and the lady he's having the meeting with says some not nice things about the twins and their parents. Cane tell her he's one of the parents, and he has great kids and loves them like crazy. And, he missed their play to be there with her tonight to close a deal. When Lily is scolding the twins for interrupting their guests, Cane comes up and gives them a hug, says he loves them, and calls Lily the glue that holds them all together. He has the kids show him video of the play and the business lady comes up and tells Cane she will approve the deal because Cane is the type of person she wants to do business with.

I think I threw up and went into a diabetic coma all at the same time.  (great writing, jewel21, I didn't even watch the show!)  The lady was probably spot on. (But otherwise, she is dumb as a box of hair to think doing business with him will go well.)  Cane is a jerk for shaming her like that.  Loving your kids is part of raising them.  Teaching them boundaries and good manners is another.  So why didn't he have the play moved to the GCAC so he could 'watch' it?  Kinda like he let them carve pumpkins at his workplace so he could be with them and then left them alone?  GhostStalkerMoofia Cane will never be redeemed in my eyes.

 

20 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Paul shows up at the cottage and is also asking Sharon questions about that stupid pregnant painting. Sharon says she doesn't know why Patty painted it. Paul says Patty mentioned that they helped each other at Fairview but Sharon plays dumb. And basically tells Paul his sister is batshit crazy and maybe she's making up some fantasy reality that never existed.

What a detective!  My Hero!  He doesn't know what the crime is but he's investigating it.  Bonus points to Sharon for pointing out the obvious.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

Is it just me or did Lauren get a chin implant!?!  And red eyeshadow makes her look like she has been crying for days.....she has become a science project!

Edited October 25, 2016 by Foghorn Leghorn

[HeatLifer]

The way this show has decided to make Phyllis Billy's priority over Jack is sickening. The fact that JACK is the one continuously abused by Billy after everything is ridiculous, as is Billy STILL basically pursuing Phyllis in the aftermath.

And for fuck's sake, someone give JT a vacation.

[Big Blue Plate]

I think that was a damn fine episode.   Bergman was terrific... I know I've accused the ham bone before but that was just solid and sincere and he and GT were just great at what they do.  I love it... Jack regrets it already.  And I'd say Phyllis gave Philly the unequivocal heave fucking ho.   I loved that episode. 

[HeatLifer]

PB was fantastic. You can feel Jack's pain/anger/loss seeping through the TV screen.

[Big Blue Plate]

I never saw that scene where GT delivered:  I do stupid crazy things ... and if you don't know that, who the hell did you fall in love with?  

She's a machine.  Can you imagine the wretched MS trying to deliver any of this?  Sadly, I can... I may wind up going all Patty if I can't make the visions stop. 

[miamama]

4 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

The way this show has decided to make Phyllis Billy's priority over Jack is sickening. The fact that JACK is the one continuously abused by Billy after everything is ridiculous, as is Billy STILL basically pursuing Phyllis in the aftermath.

And for fuck's sake, someone give JT a vacation.

It is such a character fail to write Billy this way. I see why they keep insisting his love for Phyllis runs deep. I expected it. She had the affair because she was messed up by Marco. But Billy has no such excuse. He already played the Delia card for his ONS with Kelly. Even this show won't give a guy two affair passes for one dead kid. So they have to somehow mitigate the fact that he had a months' long affair with his emotionally damaged sister in law. And in soap land L-O-V-E is the ticket. I LOVED her. I was acting from a good place. I wouldn't wreck my brother's marriage for anything less than LOVE.

Why can't Billy be contrite with Jack? Especially after the other day when he expressed regret that he had hurt Jack. Although it wasn't really that was it? It was more Jack hates me now. Boo hoo. Poor me.

Again I think this is about Billy becoming more and more alone and more and more on the edge (and I cannot imagine what horrors we have in store for when Billy hits bottom AGAIN). Vicki is all about Travis. B&S is all Cane. Phyllis has no fucks to give about him. Jack has completely cut him off.

[miamama]

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

I think that was a damn fine episode.   Bergman was terrific... I know I've accused the ham bone before but that was just solid and sincere and he and GT were just great at what they do.  I love it... Jack regrets it already.  And I'd say Phyllis gave Philly the unequivocal heave fucking ho.   I loved that episode. 

This is the strength of this story IMO: PB and GT and their ability to show the depth of emotion required. The scenes the other day at the Abbott house when Phyllis came with the flash drive were excellent as well. At one point she commented on the nice smell and asked if Mrs. Martinez had cooked up something great. Jack just looked at her and she at him. In their faces you saw the pain and longing for the life they once had. No words required. It was really good stuff.

[TwistedSoul7]

I sense Travis and Victoria exploding soon. He is all about looking into her family and she is rightfully pissed. Not sure how he expected that conversation to go especially when she on the list too. Travis is an odd one. He damn near lost his mind cause Victor suspected him but he is going to suspect the entire Newman family? He really has no clue. He is right to suspect its an inside job but the Newmans not named Adam? Oy.

I was amused at how utterly annoyed Jack and Phyllis were with Billy. What is wrong with him? He ran into that room like a child but the kicker was in the park and him basically whining because he thinks the "Victor's revenge" will being her closer to Jack like it brought her to him. That is all I got out that whinefest. I think whatever feelings Phyllis had lingering for Billy are disappearing each and every time he annoys the shit out of Phack. Jill should have slapped him. Why does he feel the need to keep getting in Jack's face about Phyllis? Fuck off. 

Cane is a moron. For a man who has been complaining nonstop about not being taken seriously as a businessman, he went an dishonored a contract he set up! Nice to see Lauren but it was even nicer seeing her riled up about Fenmores. Thanks show for reminding me once again why I never can take Cane seriously.

[jewel21]

Looks like I'm stuck on the iPad again because for some reason my computer won't load the posting box. Ridiculous.

Speaking of ridiculous, I went out and bought myself a 'bed in a bag' and put the comforter on my bed. Steve McQueen is terrified of it. As soon as I put it on the bed, his crest went up on 'high alert' and he refused to stay in his cage, which is by my bed. Hours later, and he's hesitant to even step up on his food bowl to eat because it'll bring him that one inch closer to the evil comforter. I don't know if his fear lies with the color or the patten. Considering I have two other blankets on my bed, I don't know what his issue is. But I guess I'm never buying anything purple again.

Anyway, on to the episode.

Billly runs into Jack's office despite Dave's best attempts at keeping him away. Jack orders him out but Billy is insistent and Jack gives him five minutes to talk. Billy says Jack needs to stop going after Victor. Revenge is how Billy ruined his life and then Billy goes on to say his main concern is that Jack will end up hurting Phyllis. OMGGMAFB. 

Jack says Billy is dead to him. They're no longer brothers, Billy is no longer an Abbot, and Billy can go back to worrying about Phyllis behind his back. And then he orders Billy out of his office.

Billy leaves and Jack gets his divorce papers delivered to him by his assistant. I love that we now have a budget for assistants. Anyhow, Jack signs the papers in front of Phyllis and she reluctantly signs them as well. He tells her to drop them off with his assistant. Phyllis throws the papers on his assistant's desk and goes into her broom closet where she proceeds to throw things.

Lauren is mad because she had an exclusive deal with Brash and Sassy. She is owed more product and is mad that she wasn't allowed an extension on Bare and that it's being shopped around to other vendors while her product is back ordered. 

Jill and Victoria have no idea what's happening but Cane walks in and admits he's been making deals with other vendors. Jill and Victoria tell Lauren they fixed the manufacturing issue and Lauren will get the amount she's owed asap.

Jill goes to talk to Cane and tells him to stop going behind everyone's back and to work as part of a team. She tells him he needs to communicate with Billy and Victoria. In addition, she tells him he now needs to re-negotiate the deals he had in place with other buyers because they extended Lauren's exclusivity contract or something. I don't know, I was falling asleep.

Cane gets prissy and says he's the only one working, Billy and Victoria are more concerned about their relationship, and he missed his kids' play to make these deals. Jill says she's sorry and tells Cane he needs to find balance between work and family. She doesn't want him missing time with the twins and Lily. 

Lauren is at the GCAC and is having lunch with Michael who just got a text from Phyllis about her divorce going through. They both admit it's sad Jack and Phyllis couldn't work things out like they were able to.  Michael asks if Lauren still plans on suing Jill for breach of contract but Lauren says they came to an agreement and that Jill and Victoria had no clue what Cane was doing. Lauren isn't happy with Cane.

Some members of the board are meeting with Victor. They say the FBI might be looking into those claims made by the GC Buzz. Victor claims it's all lies and tells them not to worry. They leave and Travis says it might be someone close to Victor who leaked that information to Jack. Victor doesn't want to entertain the idea and Travis leaves. Travis sees Natalie and asks her to look into things for him, including looking into people close to Victor like his family. He tells her not to share this information with Victor just yet. 

Victoria has lunch with Victor. He lies and tells her the information that was leaked was all lies. Victoria says she was taking care of Newman while Victor was incarcerated. The company was struggling and there's no way Victor could have turned things around so quickly. Victor keeps insisting it's all lies. 

Billy runs into Phyllis in the park. She mentions Jack signed the divorce papers. Billy admits he still loves Phyllis but she insists she loves Jack. And, that if Billy thinks they'll be getting together now that she's free, he's sorely mistaken, 

Jack is thinking about his divorce and a montage of Phack moments play on the screen.

And that's all I can recall.

[HeatLifer]

38 minutes ago, miamama said:

Why can't Billy be contrite with Jack? 

So JT and GT can continue to share push/pull Philly scenes. That's all I got. Phyllis and Billy don't work if it ever becomes mutual. I've said that before. TPTB, for some reason, get off on Billy acting like a stalker and Phyllis rejecting him.

Edited October 26, 2016 by HeatLifer

[peacheslatour]

Great job, jewel! You are doing the lord's work. I give you massive props for continuing to take one for the team.

/maybe the comforter smells weird to Steve?

[Anna Yolei]

53 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Cane is a moron. For a man who has been complaining nonstop about not being taken seriously as a businessman,

Gee, a guy who conned his way into the family as a long lost son who was switched at birth; said mother inexplicably keeping him around her life after his lies were exposed; who also married into another wealthy family whose father didn't disappear him after gaslighting his only daughter because gangsters...?

I can't imagine why anyone would have questions. Baffled, really. ;)

[TwistedSoul7]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

So JT and GT can continue to share push/pull Philly scenes. That's all I got. Phyllis and Billy don't work if it ever becomes mutual. I've said that before. TPTB, for some reason, get off on Billy acting like a stalker and Phyllis rejecting him.

But that is very much Billy. We watched Billy beg and be rejected by Victoria for YEARS! That was their entire relationship. So him not giving up so easily on Phyllis is not some great shock. He thrills on the it. It is a challenge for him. The only difference is he is not begging like he did with Victoria. 

[HeatLifer]

7 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

But that is very much Billy. We watched Billy beg and be rejected by Victoria for YEARS! That was their entire relationship. So him not giving up so easily on Phyllis is not some great shock. He thrills on the it. It is a challenge for him. The only difference is he is not begging like he did with Victoria. 

I think the Jack angle makes it shocking for me. Telling Phyllis he doesn't regret their relationship, knowing what it's done to Jack and to his own relationship with Jack? Telling Jack that HE is bringing Phyllis down, as if Billy is her savior? Billy has always been a jackass and done shady shit, yes, but to be this delusional? He straight-up behaves like he has no idea about Jack and Phyllis' history. (And it doesn't help that JT legit doesn't know, therefore he only plays it like "Billy wants Phyllis"). Billy walks around like Jack and Phyllis were a 2-week fling and Philly were together for decades. 

[TwistedSoul7]

But the thing is Billy says different things to different people. He acts like he is sorry with everyone except Phyllis. My guess cause he feel he has to be all big and bad with her though it is giant fail. He is regretful with Ashley but acknowledged he is a fuck up and will likely "make the same mistake" but then again he has done that in the past too. I remember Billy admitting to Nikki that he is a lost cause but begging her to help him fix thing with Victoria. That is pretty consistent with Billy, He will do what his ego needs.

[crosby777]

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Either PB was hammy

Hammy for sure.. PB is losing it.. he is such a boring actor. UGH

[NinjaPenguins]

Poor Cane. It's hard out there for a vampire, yo. He is, after all, the first person in the whole history of forever to work while having a family. Newsflash for Liver Lips: we've all been exposed to your twins. You're not missing much. 

I could watch Billy being soundly rejected and disowned all day long. It's like soap opera crack. Dave should be given permission to carry and operate a taser. Every time numbnuts steps out of line, there's a crackle of energy and the air at Jabot is filled with the scent of slightly charred buttbiscuits. 

Jewel, I'm sorry Steve is intimidated by your new comforter. The mind of a pet works in mysterious ways. 

[miamama]

Steve McQueen is such a character. He doesn't like purple comforters??? That is awesome. (But annoying for you I'm sure Jewel.)

6 hours ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

That is pretty consistent with Billy, He will do what his ego needs.

All of what you say is accurate. This is somewhat typical Billy. But the long-term betrayal of Jack is not typical Billy. And his contempt for his brother throughout the affair and -- shockingly -- after is just not credible to me. I expect him to keep declaring his love for Phyllis in this selfish way rather than, say, telling her that though he loves her and wishes that they could have had a better outcome he wants her to work it out with Jack because he loves them BOTH and wants them to be happy. He's too childish and self-absorbed to say that to her; I get that. But his continual attacks of the poor man who he hurt is not working. The added issue is show never gave THIS Billy a chance to bond with Jack. They had maybe two scenes when Billy was decent to Jack (and even those were about Phyllis) back when JT first came on. Since then he's all about Phyllis. Even with Victoria he gets some bonding scenes. But they've given us nothing with Jack. And so he is simply not Billy Abbott to me. In no universe would Billy tell Jack he can bleed to death fighting Victor for all he cares. He just doesn't want Phyllis to be hurt. Nope. No way. NEVER.

It really smells to me of pandering to a particular segment of the audience. They throw in utterly pointless Philly scenes to titillate stans. (Because his scenes with Ashley are very different; Ashley wouldn't tolerate him speaking this way about Jack -- nor would Real Phyllis but the Philly connection. RME.) The problem is this pandering (with throwaway scenes, no less) is absolutely destroying the character of Billy and has long destroyed Billy and Jack's relationship. And really? It's worth it?

I'm hoping Sally and Kay fix this. 

Edited October 26, 2016 by miamama

[valleycliffe]

jewel, sorry steve doesn't like your new comforter...maybe try washing it.  it could have a chemical smell to it that you may not notice but he does..  they use chemicals to strengthen the materials while storing to keep the moths away.  i read it was formaldehyde but i can't be sure about that...anyway, it's worth a try.

[peacheslatour]

17 minutes ago, valleycliffe said:

jewel, sorry steve doesn't like your new comforter...maybe try washing it.  it could have a chemical smell to it that you may not notice but he does..  they use chemicals to strengthen the materials while storing to keep the moths away.  i read it was formaldehyde but i can't be sure about that...anyway, it's worth a try.

That's what I think too.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

In no universe would Billy tell Jack he can bleed to death fighting Victor for all he cares. He just doesn't want Phyllis to be hurt. Nope. No way. NEVER.

THIS. It's truly unreal what they've done to the character in the name of Philly.

[miamama]

9 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

THIS. It's truly unreal what they've done to the character in the name of Philly.

Right? That scene was such an opportunity to give Billy some decency. If he had stuck with "Jack please don't go down this road. You will get hurt and you've already been hurt enough. Learn from my stupidity."

That's IT. But then we couldn't see him tell Phyllis later that he doesn't regret their affair and that he still cares for her. RME.

On the bright side, Peter Bergman was so fucking SPECTACULAR as he threw the weasel out of his office. DAMN. There was NO QUESTION who was the man in that scene. And GT is not playing any conflict whatsoever over Billy. She's irritated by him and it's coming across clearly. Can you imagine MS in those scenes?? lol. She would have been all breathy and eye fucking and an inch away from the Young Dumb Guy She Fucked saying "Leave me alone. I LOVE Jack [eye roll]."

I also felt the Phack montage (which was beautiful) was a way to remind viewers that Phack was actually a real THING long before the Philly nonsense.

[HeatLifer]

30 minutes ago, miamama said:

Right? That scene was such an opportunity to give Billy some decency. If he had stuck with "Jack please don't go down this road. You will get hurt and you've already been hurt enough. Learn from my stupidity."

That's IT. But then we couldn't see him tell Phyllis later that he doesn't regret their affair and that he still cares for her. RME.

The longer they drag out Philly, the worse Billy looks. Because, if one thing has been made clear, it's that this show sees Phyllis as >>>>>>>> Billy. So Billy will always be the one sacrificed and written like a complete unfeeling whack job so Philly can continue to meet up and have their moments. 

[miamama]

7 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

The longer they drag out Philly, the worse Billy looks. Because, if one thing has been made clear, it's that this show sees Phyllis as >>>>>>>> Billy. So Billy will always be the one sacrificed and written like a complete unfeeling whack job so Philly can continue to meet up and have their moments. 

Yes.

My view is Sussman and Alden are THE writers to save the Abbott family (short of Bill Bell rising from the dead they are the best positioned to do this). The fact that Traci is back on scene right away with their first episodes tells me this will be a priority. Billy cannot possibly continue to put Phyllis over Jack if they are going to fix the Abbotts. I also have a feeling that the show is playing these throwaway Philly scenes for a time -- as a transition for Philly lovers -- and then they will stop. But as you say, the longer they drag it, the worse for the character of Billy.

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, miamama said:

Yes.

My view is Sussman and Alden are THE writers to save the Abbott family (short of Bill Bell rising from the dead they are the best positioned to do this). The fact that Traci is back on scene right away with their first episodes tells me this will be a priority. Billy cannot possibly continue to put Phyllis over Jack if they are going to fix the Abbotts. I also have a feeling that the show is playing these throwaway Philly scenes for a time -- as a transition for Philly lovers -- and then they will stop. But as you say, the longer they drag it, the worse for the character of Billy.

It's terrible for his character. If you really think about it, BILLY is the one at a standstill and just dropped into various scenes as some kind a spoiler. I mean, what is the purpose of him? I can count on ONE hand the number of sincere moments this character has had and they were mostly when he was playing a damn ghost.

[miamama]

32 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It's terrible for his character. If you really think about it, BILLY is the one at a standstill and just dropped into various scenes as some kind a spoiler. I mean, what is the purpose of him? I can count on ONE hand the number of sincere moments this character has had and they were mostly when he was playing a damn ghost.

Oh yeah, he is an absolute LOSER at the moment. And he's a whiny little bitch to boot. Phyllis has had many scenes and a storyline to show her genuine remorse and decency. Jack has his backbone back. Billy is floating around pissing everyone off and having no real place on canvas (he also has no home that I'm aware of at this point). Of the three in this crap storyline he's taken the worst beating as a character.

I noticed when I re-watched that when he was telling Phyllis he "cared about her" in the park and she cut him off with "WTH? You think you have a chance with me now?" He said: "That's not what I'm saying." (She talked over him so it was hard to hear the first time.)

I think they're walking a tightrope with this guy. He keeps stalking Phyllis but he's not ACTUALLY trying to win her back. He's just showing he CARES. Note he no longer says "I love you." They are bringing it slowly back. Also he keeps putting himself in a position to be told he's scum by Jack. But then he is sad when talking to Ashley or even Vicki about Jack hating him now.

Soon he'll discover he "thought he was in love but was confused." And then it's done. By then I'm thinking Vicki and Travis will be kaput or close to it. 

But at that point everyone will wish him dead. 

[valleycliffe]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

She's irritated by him and it's coming across clearly. Can you imagine MS in those scenes?? lol. She would have been all breathy and eye fucking and an inch away from the Young Dumb Guy She Fucked saying "Leave me alone. I LOVE Jack [eye roll]."

 

yes, she loved to do that and it pissed me off cause it was so totally unprofessional of her and very disrespectful of the scene that was written.

plus, she would do it quite often if she didn't like how the scene was presented...can't help but remember at sharon's funeral and she was rolling her eyes during the eulogy.  also hated her fricking word games she and jm would play.

[HeatLifer]

12 minutes ago, miamama said:

But at that point everyone will wish him dead. 

LMAO. And that's the sad part. For me, at least. I like JT and want to see him and the character he's playing to succeed. I don't think he was ever really given a fair chance from a writing standpoint after his initial episodes.

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

LMAO. And that's the sad part. For me, at least. I like JT and want to see him and the character he's playing to succeed. I don't think he was ever really given a fair chance from a writing standpoint after his initial episodes.

The irony of that is JFP wanted so badly to push him forward she undermined him. If he had come on slowly, developed relationships on his own terms with Billy's significant scene partners, especially AH and PB, played on the back burner so he wouldn't feel compelled to try so hard, then he would have been fine. She broke so many basic rules of soaps by pushing this brand new recast down people's throats with HUGE ASS front burner out of character story lines and forcing the audience to buy whatever she wanted to sell instead of easing things along and trusting that he'd find his place on this show... in time.

[JasonCC]

Goddamn, Michael Roarke would be a GREAT Billy if they couldn't get Billy Miller back. JT should have been a new character if they wanted him that bad.

Speaking of the Phillips and the ages. One of the reasons I like Villy with Billy Miller is because he did seem younger, rogue-ish, devil-may-care with Victoria. The contract was slight but spot-on for the relationship. She was always so highly strung (especially as Heather Tom played her). 

Philip IV/Chance and Billy were supposed to be around the same age (well, a notch younger than Victoria/Nick and several notches younger than John Abbot's original family.....but with the last two recasts they seem to be bumping Billy's age up a little bit so that he doesn't seem all that much younger than John's three "original children" (Jack, Traci, Ashley).  The last Billy was an okay actor but seemed older than Nick or Adam IMO.  Honestly JT plays too old to be a recast Chance either: we need twenty-something male characters and Chancellors on the canvas.  They can't all be Newmans or Abbott's for dating options. I'd like Chance and Ronen back, and if the original actors are busy get some good recasts.

Edited October 26, 2016 by JasonCC

[HeatLifer]

10 minutes ago, miamama said:

trusting that he'd find his place on this show

I can't believe they wanted his place on the show to be with Phyllis and only Phyllis. Legitimately, they trashed several of Billy's relationships to make it happen. A character cannot survive by just obsessing over ONE character and shitting on everyone else.

[miamama]

12 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I can't believe they wanted his place on the show to be with Phyllis and only Phyllis. Legitimately, they trashed several of Billy's relationships to make it happen. A character cannot survive by just obsessing over ONE character and shitting on everyone else.

And yet more than 90% of all his scenes were WITH PHYLLIS. It was bananas. I cannot conceive of why a decision was made to pair Billy with his sister-in-law who was in a loving marriage with Jack, her longtime on-again, off-again lover. It boggles the mind.

[HeatLifer]

39 minutes ago, miamama said:

And yet more than 90% of all his scenes were WITH PHYLLIS. It was bananas. I cannot conceive of why a decision was made to pair Billy with his sister-in-law who was in a loving marriage with Jack, her longtime on-again, off-again lover. It boggles the mind.

And it's like, if you HAD to go there, why not write him as a HUMAN filled with remorse and regret?

[bannana]

Oh, sigh, this show is just so bad now.  This Sully mess is sapping my will to live.  Even Patty doesn't cheer me up anymore.  Or Mariah.  It is all so awful.  And the Prick vs Hevon stuff is ridiculous.  I truly hope Devon loses all of Katherine's money.  Too bad it will be to Prick. And Stepford Drinki!  Take a drink!

[Big Blue Plate]

Oh, Drinki is fun.  I forgot.  We need more Drinki.  She gets kinda mouthy.  And occasionally kills.  Drinki fun.  

[Big Blue Plate]

So according to scenes for tomorrow, Phyllis is going to 'do the drop.' I assume this is not just to add to the dramatic tension but to either reveal the mole or to get caught.

You don't think they're going to reunite Jack and Phyllis by forcing them to marry so they can't be compelled to testify agin each other?

Nah.  But this mole stuff is getting dump.  One thing Y&R isn't good at is subtlety.

I want them decide all Patty's troubles are due to brain tumour, operate, and have her just hanging around GC being a loon.