HeatLifer June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 I need like 8 days to process this episode. Like....OMG...at the writing changes for Billy and Phyllis day-to-day. Especially from Billy now, who suddenly grew a conscience and is all worried about Jack and talking about Jack's love for Phyllis, how he's gone too far, he doesn't want to hurt Jack, he wants to go with Phyllis to tell him....I honestly don't know how JT processes or understands this character. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320198
miamama June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 Just now, HeatLifer said: I need like 8 days to process this episode. Like....OMG...at the writing changes for Billy and Phyllis day-to-day. Especially from Billy now, who suddenly grew a conscience and is all worried about Jack and talking about Jack's love for Phyllis, how he's gone too far, he doesn't want to hurt Jack, he wants to go with Phyllis to tell him....I honestly don't know how JT processes or understands this character. Really????? Je-sus. I knew they'd suddenly give him a conscious because PrattPlotShitWriting and July sweeps are near but this??? And then next week Spoiler Philly have sex again????!!! Okay, so now I'm convinced that JFP was fired for the Philly story and no other reason. It might be the worst on canvas. And that is taking into account Sully Sage and the Constance murder and the psychopath child. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320207
TwistedSoul7 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, miamama said: yes. All shit all the time. I was wondering where you were. Wanted your take on some of the grossness above. But I feel your pain. I can't look away apparently. I needed a vacation because this show is so painfully horrid. Why are Phyllis and Billy acting emo? This shit aint complicated. "I love you. I need you. Be with me... but Jaaaaaack!" Just stop. No one believes this nonsense. I just laugh now because it is so over the damn top. When Billy grabbed Bethany and said "When you lift your skirt I will be thinking you are Phyllis." Who the hell is this man? GMAFB. I wouldn't mind Hilary and Jack but it seems to out of nowhere and clearly happening cause they want PHILLY to feel less bad because Jack has a pretty young thang wanting him who just so happens to be married. It is lazy, And this Sage crap? Really show? BYE JFP. Hope Pratt's hack self is next. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320212
Foghorn Leghorn June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 Why was GT whispering today while Billy talked normally? Was that supposed to be sexy? FAIL! LOL And then thunder thighs arrived in her brown sarong dress to have Billy talk to her like she was a piece of dirt under his shoe. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320224
HeatLifer June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 (edited) Quote Why are Phyllis and Billy acting emo? This shit aint complicated. "I love you. I need you. Be with me... but Jaaaaaack!" Just stop. No one believes this nonsense. I just laugh now because it is so over the damn top. When Billy grabbed Bethany and said "When you lift your skirt I will be thinking you are Phyllis." Who the hell is this man? GMAFB. That skirt scene was so freaking cheesy and stalker-like. Billy's love for Phyllis plays like an OBSESSION, not a genuine love. The writers changing shit hourly is what's made everything complicated. Billy was LEGIT an entirely new character with Phyllis today. It was jarring. Today it's: "ILY and I don't care about Jack! It's just you and me! I don't want to lie anymore and pretend in public!" Monday it's: ILY but so does Jack and I can't believe I went this far and he won't ever forgive me! But he'll forgive you bc he loves you! I'm so sad because we can't be together but Jack!" Edited June 10, 2016 by HeatLifer 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320240
TwistedSoul7 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 10 minutes ago, miamama said: Really????? Je-sus. I knew they'd suddenly give him a conscious because PrattPlotShitWriting and July sweeps are near but this??? And then next week Oh yeah. Billy was all about Jack today. They must end their affair (though he wuvs her and it will depress him) because she is pain and he loves his brother and he needs to know. He was all "I have done the unforgivable" Blah blah fucking blah. Overnight he suddenly gives a shit. I suspect they read the interwebs and realized Billy was looking like a jackass and wrote this script to show he does care. It was a fail. I don't get this affair. I don't understand Bethany. I just don't care. Can Jack find out already? Billy and Phyllis can be together. The ONLY interesting thing about this story is the fallout. That is it. The rest is fast forward material to the highest power. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320242
miamama June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 1 minute ago, TwistedSoul7 said: Oh yeah. Billy was all about Jack today. They must end their affair (though he wuvs her and it will depress him) because she is pain and he loves his brother and he needs to know. He was all "I have done the unforgivable" Blah blah fucking blah. Overnight he suddenly gives a shit. I suspect they read the interwebs and realized Billy was looking like a jackass and wrote this script to show he does care. It was a fail. I don't get this affair. I don't understand Bethany. I just don't care. Can Jack find out already? Billy and Phyllis can be together. The ONLY interesting thing about this story is the fallout. That is it. The rest is fast forward material to the highest power. It does smell like a sudden shift. Interwebs and invisible hands getting involved in every storyline now. So someone in the writing room realized Billy telling Jack he was useless to Phyllis and should still be on the island was maybe a bad thing? The problem is too little too late. And also Spoiler they fuck again. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320253
HeatLifer June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, miamama said: It does smell like a sudden shift. Interwebs and invisible hands getting involved in every storyline now. So someone in the writing room realized Billy telling Jack he was useless to Phyllis and should still be on the island was maybe a bad thing? The problem is too little too late. And also Hide contents they fuck again. Spoiler "But!!!!!!! they're guilty and screwing now!" -Pratt 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320260
miamama June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 So they are cheating trash and cowards as well. Either END IT or TELL HIM. They should get t-shirts: ILY but JAAAAAAACK. I'm trying to think of a storyline on a soap where an adulterous couple was written in this loathsome a manner and I can't. There is always some understanding of their actions, some sympathy elicited from the audience. Here. None. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320265
HeatLifer June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, miamama said: So they are cheating trash and cowards as well. Either END IT or TELL HIM. They should get t-shirts: ILY but JAAAAAAACK. I'm trying to think of a storyline on a soap where an adulterous couple was written in this loathsome a manner and I can't. There is always some understanding of their actions, some sympathy elicited from the audience. Here. None. And not only that, but the way Billy is treating Bethany is actually quite sick and disturbing. I think we're supposed to think Billy is hot when he calls another woman a bimbo and treats her like trash in the name of Phyllis, but nope. Edited June 10, 2016 by HeatLifer 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320270
TwistedSoul7 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 No need so spoiler said fucking. It is in the promo and the daily previews just released. Apparently they bang twice next week. *SNORE* It shall be interesting to see how this plays out the rest of this month and into the next. I think Mal's influence will start to be shown come mid July and I think a lot of the current things will start taking turns. As said, the only thing interesting about Philly is the fallout. Once the stakes are gone so is that pairing. Which is why they dragging it out. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320297
NinjaPenguins June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 Man, I don't think even Nick the Baboon would use such a classless, offensive line on a woman as Billy did. That was pure Prattian dialogue. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320304
TwistedSoul7 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 14 minutes ago, HeatLifer said: And not only that, but the way Billy is treating Bethany is actually quite sick and disturbing. I think we're supposed to think Billy is hot when he calls another woman a bimbo and treats her like trash in the name of Phyllis, but nope. That was another thing. So Bethany exists to prop Philly. Billy treating her like a whore. They dragged her into their mess and now want to be pissy? Billy is a lot of things but damn. I don't recognize this man. Even Phyllis is being ridiculous. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320309
pearlite June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 There were two wildly conflicting areas of writing in this episode--one, the soapy goodness of Ashley vs HIlary [you've met your match, bitch!] and two, the whole "Phyllis, you've got to tell Jack because the script is so damn bad that we have to play these scenes and I'm a crap actor, so let's roll." I only hope that whoever's writing the first of those prevails, because the PleaselethimleavetheshowBilly and Phyllis stuff is just nonsense. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320334
HeatLifer June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 11 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said: That was another thing. So Bethany exists to prop Philly. Billy treating her like a whore. They dragged her into their mess and now want to be pissy? Billy is a lot of things but damn. I don't recognize this man. Even Phyllis is being ridiculous. I don't recognize either one of them either. So not only are the viewers watching two recasts, but we're watching an incredible rewrite of these VETERAN characters. It's an absolute shit show all around. And I had to laugh at this forced exchange: Phyllis: How did I get into this mess? Billy: I think it's called chemistry. Like, hey, show, if you actually have to WRITE that two actors/characters have chemistry............ 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320339
miamama June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 I haven't watched today's CDN yet but it bothered me in yesterday's when Billy described her as a "bimbo." Misogynistic bullshit. Why is she a bimbo, asshole? Because she had a crush on you? Because she had sex with you? You two went to HER. You offered HER money. She didn't ask for it. She's just some human trying to make a living and you rich fucks use her to carry on an affair and you look down at her? And Phyllis knows she's stupid? You are paying her to keep a lie when she owes you nothing but she's stupid? Also Billy didn't know her name for awhile either, despite having fucked her. I guess that was supposed to be oh so funny. I kind of love that Jack has said her name clearly a few times, offered to buy her a drink and even did that thing PB does when a woman gets up at a table -- got up with her. Underscores what scum Philly are. Quote As said, the only thing interesting about Philly is the fallout. Once the stakes are gone so is that pairing. Which is why they dragging it out. This, exactly. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320342
miamama June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 This is some class A character destruction. Billy and Phyllis have had a number done on them through this. They are disgusting and ludicrous and unsympathetic. Nice work, writers. Remember how many years it took show to rehabilitate Phyllis and make her a viable leading lady? Yeah, a lot of years. Quote I wouldn't mind Hilary and Jack but it seems to out of nowhere and clearly happening cause they want PHILLY to feel less bad because Jack has a pretty young thang wanting him who just so happens to be married. It is lazy, It is lazy and rushed, I agree. Particularly when Philly have been given so much time. But I don't think it will absolve anyone. In fact I think it will do the opposite. Hilary is being presented as a viper and she's got her sights on Jack. The affair will leave him vulnerable to her. So Philly will be held responsible for that I'm sure. I'm still hoping they let HiJack have semblance of a real relationship. They could and should. She was kidnapped too and no one gives a fuck either. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320358
TwistedSoul7 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 They seem to be writing an out for Hilary's behavior too. It is the treatment. I think they will actually do Hilary/Jack for reals. Today she was honest with him about being sick again but keeping it to herself. Now Jack will be protective of her. Ashley is all wanting to rain hell down on her. Also with the news that MEK is gone, I think he will be the scapegoat in all of this so Hilary can start fresh. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320385
jewel21 June 10, 2016 Share June 10, 2016 I'm so happy you all watched so I don't have to recap this shit show today. Such inconsistent writing and characterization all around. Even Mariah was contradicting herself to Sharon concerning Sully/Christian. I just can't anymore. And Dullen is the dumbest detective there ever was. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320394
HeatLifer June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 54 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said: As said, the only thing interesting about Philly is the fallout. Once the stakes are gone so is that pairing. Which is why they dragging it out. Right? Although I'm kinda hilariously waiting to see how their relationship goes if they don't have Jack or Victor as talking points. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320408
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Just now, HeatLifer said: Right? Although I'm kinda hilariously waiting to see how their relationship goes if they don't have Jack or Victor as talking points. Yeah, what do they do? Jack will want nothing to do with either of them so Billy can't be "Abbott screwup poor me" any more. Even Ashley will wash her hands of him for a time. Victoria has a new guy and she will be disgusted. So she won't give a fuck. The whole "Villy are meant to be" chorus will be silenced. Phyllis as wounded victim of Marco/Victor will have kind of lost the sympathy card. What will be their point? Will Phyllis sit on the floor of Grey Gardens and play with Johnny and Katie? I guess their c-h-e-m-i-s-t-r-y will carry them through having no story, no point, no drama. Quote They seem to be writing an out for Hilary's behavior too. It is the treatment. I think they will actually do Hilary/Jack for reals. Today she was honest with him about being sick again but keeping it to herself. Now Jack will be protective of her. Ashley is all wanting to rain hell down on her. Also with the news that MEK is gone, I think he will be the scapegoat in all of this so Hilary can start fresh. Nice! Except I hope the Hevon fans don't send a plane to kill PB. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320419
HeatLifer June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Quote Will Phyllis sit on the floor of Grey Gardens and play with Johnny and Katie? I guess their c-h-e-m-i-s-t-r-y will carry them through having no story, no point, no drama. LOL. Ah, yes, the CHEMISTRY! That's the ticket! 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320433
TwistedSoul7 June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 The chemistry line was hilarious. If you have to tell us... Also as much as Billy is all, "I looooooove Phyllis." I am curious how much his face will crack when he finally meets Travis. He was still just rubbing Victoria's face last week. Billy is completely full of shit and acting like the addict he is. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320548
PatsyandEddie June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Even though it was a daydream/nightmare of Jack's reaction, I freaking loved me some PB! The quiet rage in his eyes as he learned what was going on was amazing! Watching his expression get colder as Phyllis confessed and his cutting comment about Nick was delivered superbly. #freejack 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320583
Anna Yolei June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 3 hours ago, HeatLifer said: And not only that, but the way Billy is treating Bethany is actually quite sick and disturbing. I think we're supposed to think Billy is hot when he calls another woman a bimbo and treats her like trash in the name of Phyllis, but nope. God, this is disguting. Not even Victor would be so openly piggish towards someone he wants to bang. This is the WORST storyline in the whole of daytime TV, and that includes the two rapes that Bradley Bell has tried in vain to sweep under the rug on B&B. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320656
coffee drinker June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Anna Yolei said: Oh God, I'd forgotten what a self righteous holier than thou saint Phyllis was in those days! "Sleeping with Billy" implies that it happened more than once. And IIRC, she and Jack were separated after he covered up that shit about the diary, no? Between all of than and this shit today, it's not even almost a contest as to who is the bigger shitstain. When was Billy born on the show? What year? MS's Phyllis was involved with Danny Romalotti years before Billy was born? On another board I was told that JFP deliberately de-sorased Phyllis to a character 10 years younger than MS when she cast GT. Talk about messed up. GT doesn't look old enough to be the grandmother that Phyllis is on the show. Edited June 11, 2016 by coffee drinker 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320702
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee drinker said: When was Billy born on the show? What year? MS's Phyllis was involved with Danny Romalotti years before Billy was born? On another board I was told that JFP deliberately de-sorased Phyllis to a character 10 years younger than MS when she cast GT. Talk about messed up. GT doesn't look old enough to be the grandmother that Phyllis is on the show. I want to say 1994 for Billy's birth. So yeah Phyllis is far older. But so too is Victoria. Heather Tom played her before he was born. What bugs is that Jack becomes "too old" for Phyllis when they de-SORAS her and then they pull this shit of putting her with a younger guy (based on this bullshit "Billy is HOT" writing while Jack is "safe and comfortable.") He just can't win anything. ugh. Speaking of rewrites (as we were above). Remember there was a spoiler a couple of weeks ago that "Jill discovers something shocking" and then it didn't happen. She wasn't even on that day. I wonder what that was and if a scene was scrapped. She was clearly picking up on Philly before she disappeared to wherever it is Jill is supposed to live. But there was no follow up. Edited June 11, 2016 by miamama 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2320845
crosby777 June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 14 hours ago, jewel21 said: I forgot to mention in the previews for the next eppy, we see Sage again. Looks like Sharon is sleeping on the couch and Sage haunts her or something. I was surprised that we will be seeing Sage again, even if only in a dream/Sharon's imagination. Was the actress ever interviewed after she was killed off? I said from the beginning Ghostly Sage would be visiting that freak Sharon.. and I loved Sharon thinking all the same thing I think of her.. Cruel and selfish.. for sure. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321000
crosby777 June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Quote And I had to laugh at this forced exchange: Phyllis: How did I get into this mess? Billy: I think it's called chemistry. Like, hey, show, if you actually have to WRITE that two actors/characters have chemistry.... I totally see chemistry.. one of those eyes of the beholder things.. I know lots of others that see the philly luvvvv. :P 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321002
TobinAlbers June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 (edited) Someone on another board broke the ages down like this: Jack was a soldier in Vietnam during the war between USA and Vietnam -- which ended April 1975. Thus Jack was at least 18 in 1975. Jack must be at least 59 years old now. Jack also has a son Keemo, who would be 42 years old now.http://soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/keemo.php Based on Keemo's age, Jack current age must be at least 60 years old. Peter Bregman (the actor who plays Jack) is 62. Phyllis was in her early 20's when she debuted in 1994. That would make her approximately 44 now. Phyllis' son Daniel was born in 1994 so he'd be 22 now. However, in 1999, Daniel was SORASed to a teen, and his birth year was changed to 1987. This would make Daniel be 29 years old now. -- which would update Phyllis' current age to be 49. Billy was born onscreen in 1993. So Billy was born the year before Phyllis' debut as a young adult. However, in 1999, Billy was SORASed to a teen, and his birth year was changed to 1983. This would make Billy Abbott be 33 years old now. Later on, Billy Abbott's birth year was changed again to 1979, which is the same birth year as actor Billy Miller. This would make Billy Abbott be 37 years old now. (Jason Thompson is 39 years old now, but Billy's age hasn't been mentioned since he was cast.) Source: http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=9567288&t=9294680 Edited June 11, 2016 by TobinAlbers 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321251
HeatLifer June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 8 hours ago, crosby777 said: I totally see chemistry.. one of those eyes of the beholder things.. I know lots of others that see the philly luvvvv. :P Heee, I know! Chemistry is completely subjective, for sure. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321529
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 So I finally watched it and yeah it smelled massively of a rewrite from one episode to the next. Mid-conversation Billy went from "I don't care if it's selfish I want you" to "We have to tell Jack so we can end it." And "I have differences with my brother but I don't want to see him hurt." Mkay. Billy is now suddenly sad because it hurt him to see Bethany mocking Jack to his face. All these weeks it didn't make him sad to mock Jack to his face himself. What a load of horse shit. "I want you in my life. But I know it can't happen." Three weeks ago he ordered in food and fresh flowers and couldn't understand why his brother's wife wouldn't have a post-coital luncheon with him. The little smiles and self-depracating jokes between them are too little too late. I don't care what you two ASSHOLES feel or want any more. All we've watched is your narcissistic cheating asses for MONTHS without any regard for anyone, especially Jack. It is a complete failure of writing. These two are unsympathetic and this last-minute 180 is not fixing it. Oh, there was a moment when Billy said -- to explain their "thing" -- maybe it's "our mutual tendency to self-destruct" or something. And Phyllis said "that's no excuse." Interesting. I'm 100% positive that was THE VERY reason/excuse Pratt had for this entire story. We've been bashed over the heads for months about how self-destructive they both are. Yup. An invisible writing hand is making changes. lol. Peter was amazing BTW in that fake-out reveal. As Patsy said, the slow realization on this face. How cold he went. Gods he is going to be spectacular when he lets the two of them have it. So Phyllis won't be able to tell Jack. She'll run back to Billy. They will fall into sex again. And the hiding will get worse--because Bethany is the mix--and Jack will find out in the most spectacular and horrific way possible (I'm still thinking he'll walk in on them doing it full on). Just in time to launch July sweeps. The conversation about telling Jack now to make it less awful is soap opera speak for it will be bad bad bad when he does find out. Good. PB will smash it out of the park. And please FFS shift the focus from Philly to Jack. Also I think Hilary is still playing Jack. She seemed to realize that he now doubts her (because of what Lily said about her targeting him) so she told him she's relapsing. MM paused a beat after she said "I'm sick." (Like, boom. I'm reeling you in again). She knows it will get him on her side again. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321685
HeatLifer June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Billy is now suddenly sad because it hurt him to see Bethany mocking Jack to his face. All these weeks it didn't make him sad to mock Jack to his face himself. What a load of horse shit. "I want you in my life. But I know it can't happen." Three weeks ago he ordered in food and fresh flowers and couldn't understand why his brother's wife wouldn't have a post-coital luncheon with him. Yes! I forgot to mention this yesterday. This was the moment where it was clear (to me) that a complete revamp was at work. It has been BILLY who has been making snide remarks and flaunting his affair with Phyllis with random side comments to Jack's face. He has been the one eyeing her while Jack is standing right next to him. But BETHANY is the evil one who is abusing his poor brother Jack!? Once again, this show refuses to make gradual changes and just busts out a brand-new POV for Billy on the hour. TBH, though, Billy's sudden guilt isn't even the part that annoys me. No, that will forever be this DEEP LOVE that came out of nowhere for Philly. It's too overly exaggerated that it's becoming nauseating to watch. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321734
Petunia13 June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 5 hours ago, TobinAlbers said: Jason Thompson is 39 years old now, Okay Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321738
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Quote TBH, though, Billy's sudden guilt isn't even the part that annoys me. No, that will forever be this DEEP LOVE that came out of nowhere for Philly. It's too overly exaggerated that it's becoming nauseating to watch. Yeah, lol. I can't even take it seriously. He's ridiculous. He was stroking Victoria's face a few days ago and was engaged to her on Valentine's Day (she who is more than his breath to him, lol). But now it's PHYLLIS PHYLLIS PHYLLIS. I think what's behind this is what Tyler Christopher talked about (which I quoted upthread or in the spoiler thread, can't recall). It's an attempt to "unvilify" the character (to use TC's word). Billy's madly in love so we viewers feel sad for him. He's willing to sacrifice his Big Love Phyllis for his brother. lol. (He even said what's worse than Jack's pain is what this is doing to Phyllis. Yup, someone realized Billy is coming off as a complete asshole and they are trying to fix it.) Whatever. This cheesy shit is not making him sympathetic in the least. It's just stupid and not credible. Phyllis still hasn't said she "loves Billy." She at least is unable to articulate what "it" is that is drawing her to him. But she said again she loves Jack and doesn't want to lose him. She's not quite as nauseating as Billy then. She's just vile and stupid. Anyways, who knows what will happen in the next few days. I can't wait to see who declares what to whom. tee hee. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321748
HeatLifer June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 It's an attempt to "unvilify" the character (to use TC's word). Billy's madly in love so we viewers feel sad for him. I guess that's possible, but for me it just doesn't work. It looks like they care more about trying to salvage Phack (by having her all confused and conflicted) as opposed to Billy and Jack's relationship. I mean, what happened is relationship-ending either way, but falling in LOVE, as well as acting on it, is far worse than a one-night stand that was purely physical in nature, IMO. Billy and Phyllis continuously put themselves in situations that disrespected Jack. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321877
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Just now, HeatLifer said: I guess that's possible, but for me it just doesn't work. It looks like they care more about trying to salvage Phack (by having her all confused and conflicted) as opposed to Billy and Jack's relationship. I mean, what happened is relationship-ending either way, but falling in LOVE, as well as acting on it, is far worse than a one-night stand that was purely physical in nature, IMO. Billy and Phyllis continuously put themselves in situations that disrespected Jack. Absolutely agree with you. It's not working. I'm just trying to get inside the writers' heads. Billy was raging at Jack (that was sudden too) and so at first it seemed to be a sort of revenge on Jack via Phyllis. Then he stalked the fuck out of her while taunting Jack. Now he has a deep, sacrificing kind of love for her and genuine concern for his brother???? Maybe the writers think out of the above options: the "sacrificing love" version might give Billy and Jack a chance to survive this horror. Because whoever is fixing things has to deal with what's happened so far. Philly were too far past a regrettable ONS to treat it as such. What Phyllis and Billy have done is unforgivable in my mind. Jack should cut them out of his life forever. But that won't happen. And what we're seeing now IMO is rewriting to ensure they all can eventually heal. The fact is Philly should never have happened. It was a stupid story decision that obliterated years of relationship and character. Billy and Jack were solid -- Billy was more of a son to Jack than any of his kids, and the Abbotts managed over all these years (including when Traci and Ashley both were married to Brad at times) to come across as a real family. And Phyllis was Jack's big love; with GT they seemed to finally be able to solidify them as a couple. Plus they came off a horrific story (Marco etc.) that they never actually got to address. But JFP/Pratt pulled this stunt of Philly and now show is forced to minimize the damage. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321900
peacheslatour June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 Quote Peter was amazing BTW in that fake-out reveal. As Patsy said, the slow realization on this face. How cold he went. Gods he is going to be spectacular when he lets the two of them have it. Yeah, no. This is the kind of shit that absolutely ruins it for me. All this build up for months and then to spoil it with a fake out reveal is like shooting their wad and then trying to screw with a limp dick. It's too late. They wrecked it and when they finally do show the big TRUTH, it will be like popping a flaccid balloon. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321925
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 8 minutes ago, peacheslatour said: Yeah, no. This is the kind of shit that absolutely ruins it for me. All this build up for months and then to spoil it with a fake out reveal is like shooting their wad and then trying to screw with a limp dick. It's too late. They wrecked it and when they finally do show the big TRUTH, it will be like popping a flaccid balloon. True. It's stupid storytelling. (And your choice of metaphor, lol.) But I feel PB has been so sidelined in this story that if he gets a couple of opportunities to do something besides be clueless I'm here for it. ;) Also I think it means the reveal will be different. Though I'm not sure what that means. But Jack was quite calm at this one. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321939
peacheslatour June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 (edited) Quote Also I think it means the reveal will be different. I hope so, but as good as PB will probably be, I can't help but feel that he is being ripped off and so are we. You know what I mean? Having an emotional investment means there will be a payoff, these dreams or whatever they're supposed to be take the emotional payoff and play around with it instead of giving it to us good and hard. Edited June 11, 2016 by peacheslatour jesus, I must need to get laid. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321950
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 21 minutes ago, peacheslatour said: I hope so, but as good as PB will probably be, I can't help but feel that he is being ripped off and so are we. You know what I mean? Having an emotional investment means there will be a payoff, these dreams or whatever they're supposed to be take the emotional payoff and play around with it instead of giving it to us good and hard. I do know what you mean. Normally I'd be pissing mad about it. And you're right that it's not fair to the actors, and PB in particular. I think because I know he's good enough to pull off another reaction, and a bigger one -- because no doubt it will be very ugly when he finds out for real -- I'm okay with it. And, truly, I am starved to see him actually get to act. Another day of Phyllis snarling at him or gushing over Billy while he stares at her stupidly. ugh. I'd watch ten fake outs where Jack gets to rip into her lying ass over that. So storytelling-wise I fully agree with you. From the perspective of having endured months of Phyllis and Billy being hateful assholes to Jack, I am fine with the fake out. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321985
peacheslatour June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 I am sorry mia, I'm not the PB fan that you are. If I were I'd probably feel the same way you do. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2321997
miamama June 11, 2016 Share June 11, 2016 9 minutes ago, peacheslatour said: I am sorry mia, I'm not the PB fan that you are. If I were I'd probably feel the same way you do. No need to apologize. lol. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322014
crosby777 June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 Quote Yeah, no. This is the kind of shit that absolutely ruins it for me. All this build up for months and then to spoil it with a fake out reveal is like shooting their wad and then trying to screw with a limp dick. It's too late. They wrecked it and when they finally do show the big TRUTH, it will be like popping a flaccid balloon. It ruins it for me too.. I hate when they do the fake out.. but for me I just don't give a shit if old man Jack falls off the wagon. LOL and we know that is what he will do.. Quote The fact is Philly should never have happened. I disagree so much.. look how much talk they are getting.. THAT is what the writers are after... they don't give a fuck if we like it or hate it as long as we are talking about it.. and I know lots of philly fans. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322627
crosby777 June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 Quote I am sorry mia, I'm not the PB fan that you are. If I were I'd probably feel the same way you do. ME either.. I think he is such a boring predictable actor. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322628
TwistedSoul7 June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, crosby777 said: I disagree so much.. look how much talk they are getting.. THAT is what the writers are after... they don't give a fuck if we like it or hate it as long as we are talking about it.. and I know lots of philly fans. Of course it is getting talked about. This is the frontburner storyline shoved down our throats. We also talked about the Scooby Murder Mystery a lot too and that was crap. Daisy was a hot topic as well. She had her fans too. That didn't mean majority wanted her to stay! LOL. I do agree that JFP and CP didn't give a damn and most writers usually don't, but when something is overwhelming dislikes they usually recognize it and try to shifty the direction of the story in some way. Mal seems to be that kind of writer/producer from how he did his older shows. So it will be interesting come late July to see if things start to change. Edited June 12, 2016 by TwistedSoul7 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322643
MollyB June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 19 hours ago, miamama said: She's just vile and stupid. This is why I never bought into Jack and Phyllis as TrueLove. I can't buy she loves anyone (even Daniel) more than herself. She has always been a destructive person to others in her self-serving way, [with her blogs, her deceptions and sexual exploits,] that I can't believe she is 'torn' emotionally between Billy and Jack. The character I've seen would just chalk it all up to 'what's good for me' and shine everyone on. (Or kill whomever gets in the way-lookout Brittany/Bethany!) Billy is also a self-loving destructive person but he's destructive to himself (drinking, gambling away his money, poor father skills) and only hurting people by letting them down. (ok, exception: Delia) The old Billy would have remorse about banging his bro's wife (ex: Billy showed guilt about Sharon back in the day) and gone out and done something destructive to himself, not stomped around all self-righteous. It's as if Phyllis and Billy have changed personalities. 18 hours ago, miamama said: The fact is Philly should never have happened. It was a stupid story decision that obliterated years of relationship and character. Amen. I hate when a character does an about face with out proper buildup or reasons. [No, a brain tumor is not a good reason-especially when the whole town gets them.] 18 hours ago, peacheslatour said: Yeah, no. This is the kind of shit that absolutely ruins it for me. All this build up for months and then to spoil it with a fake out reveal is like shooting their wad and then trying to screw with a limp dick. It's too late. They wrecked it and when they finally do show the big TRUTH, it will be like popping a flaccid balloon. Kinda like the reaction both Jack and Phyllis had to Victor when they found out about Marco, et al. Nothin', nada, poof....... 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322870
miamama June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 4 hours ago, TwistedSoul7 said: Of course it is getting talked about. This is the frontburner storyline shoved down our throats. We also talked about the Scooby Murder Mystery a lot too and that was crap. Daisy was a hot topic as well. She had her fans too. That didn't mean majority wanted her to stay! LOL. I do agree that JFP and CP didn't give a damn and most writers usually don't, but when something is overwhelming dislikes they usually recognize it and try to shifty the direction of the story in some way. Mal seems to be that kind of writer/producer from how he did his older shows. So it will be interesting come late July to see if things start to change. Yup. It's also dominated pretty much every single promo since February or March. And been given mag covers (which show dictates by the way) and BTS media coverage (also which show dictates). This is not some mysterious organic grassroots movement demanding PHILLY NOW! It's a bust. SID in their editorial commentary declared it fine actor chemistry-wise, but a failure in terms of story. They politely (because they are shill-like) said show needs to be careful when they recast NOT to simply recreate new characters because, well, the mag's not buying it, and viewers can't be fooled. Michael Logan openly trashes it on Twitter and openly trashes both actors. An SOD poll (and I get that soap polls are agenda-driven however not usually on the hate side) gave Philly a 75% NO. Also a poll over at SOC I noticed -- informal but that site is generally a decent cross-section of viewers and not so "ship heavy" likewise had a solid 75% no (with almost 60% LOATHING it). Check out FB and Instagram. There is general disgust (and by general I'd put it at 90% to 95% WTF is this crap with Phyllis and Billy? And also a lot of hate over how stupid and OOC Jack is written -- I find FB tends to reflect older, long, long term viewers and frankly the big silent majority much more than Twitter). The ratings are crap as well. And while you usually can't point to one story with ratings, when that story was the main one heavily featured and promoted, the show will absolutely pay attention. It's astonishing. They are selling an OOC, history-destroying and character-destroying story with a pair of recasts??????? One of whom started in the midst of this story??? Who green lighted this?????? Oh, I know. JFP. And she was fired. Nah, this is bad, not buzz worthy. And when I re-watched Monday's US it's absolutely clear there was an 180 degree shift over Friday's (remember, Giddens leaked his JFP is getting fired story a few weeks ago; so not too far from when this was filmed). Not only did Billy go from wanting to build a life with Phyllis while taunting Jack to ENDING their fling in order to spare Jack, they actually addressed this change of heart. After Billy said their "self-sabotage" tendencies might be to blame and Phyllis said it's a BS excuse, Billy said it worked for awhile for him. He could carry on with her and not give Jack a thought. Phyllis: "When did that change?" Billy: "When Jill was fired and the writers said this is STUPID and makes no sense and makes me look like an asshole and undermines the emotional impact of the fact that I'm fucking my brother's wife. I needed to suddenly care about Jack. So I'm blaming it on the "bimbo" who taunted him. It was killing me watching her do that to Jack." Phyllis: "Me too. Even though before Jill was fired I found it hot when you insulted the love of my life and taunted him to his face and fucked me with your eyes while he stood there clueless." Also Phyllis went from constantly saying "I don't want to hurt this family" or "I don't want to blow up my life" as her motivation for hiding the affair to "I love Jack and I will lose him if he finds out" as Billy agrees and reminds her how much Jack loves her. (Remember awhile back when he was stalking her: he told her Jack didn't deserve her?????) I have been listening closely and it is the FIRST time she has stated her love for Jack in the midst of a post-sex Philly conversation. They'll still be all fucked up about it and still fuck (for some high drama of "we might get caught" before the big reveal actually happens), but the energy has shifted. It's now an ugly affair and they can't stop themselves. That's a big shift. This is closer to how this should have always been written (if they were determined to do this stupid affair) and how many of us thought it was going to be written (here on this board I mean). A regrettable ONS filled with horrifying guilt and pain. Not a teenage Truly Madly Deeply love story while Jack was insulted and disrespected and mocked for MONTHS. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322872
peacheslatour June 12, 2016 Share June 12, 2016 Quote Amen. I hate when a character does an about face with out proper buildup or reasons. [No, a brain tumor is not a good reason-especially when the whole town gets them. Ah hahahahahahah....*dead* 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2322890
Anna Yolei June 13, 2016 Share June 13, 2016 On June 12, 2016 at 3:08 AM, crosby777 said: It ruins it for me too.. I hate when they do the fake out.. but for me I just don't give a shit if old man Jack falls off the wagon. LOL and we know that is what he will do.. I disagree so much.. look how much talk they are getting.. THAT is what the writers are after... they don't give a fuck if we like it or hate it as long as we are talking about it.. and I know lots of philly fans. But with all respect, how is this doing any favors for the Philly fans by bringing in a fourth outside party to bang as he's thinking of Phyllis? To me, that's not romantic, that's gross. Jack is almost a non factor in their relationship, which is the absolute wrong way to write an infidelity story. Regardless of the way Nick and Phyllis were handled in later years, there was an emotional investment there. We understood their motivations (Nick grieving his child, and Jack/Phyl being strained due to her presumed infertility IIRC). Jack and Sharon were not demonized by the writing staff to make Phick look better. Likewise, not every cheating story needs to be a huge love affair. Jill and Jack didn't fall in love after their one night stand when she was married to John, and that story still left far more of an impact than anything JFP and UpChuck Pratt ever wasted a perfectly good tree writing up Also, everything mamamia said above. The only good that came of this story was that it gave JFP her well earned pink slip. Good riddance. I hope her takes all the rest of her pets with her and shampoo the piss they left in the carpet. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7823-the-gcehc-canadian-episodes-spoilers-for-non-canadians/page/110/#findComment-2325080
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