S10.E06: Kid 'n Play

[FormerMod-a1]

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When Will discovers Noah has a child, he promises to keep the secret from Grace; Karen and Jack's relationship is tested when she fires him from the play she's producing and replaces him with Jon Cryer.

Air date: November 15, 2018

[Annber03]

"I've never seen that movie, but if it involves a guy going to his girlfriend's place and realizing he's not getting laid, then yeah, we've been 'Parent Trap'-ped." LOL.

I liked Noah and Will arguing over West Side Story. As for the kid, I can understand the hesitation of bringing her up, especially if he's not quite sure how serious the relationship will be. But I also understand Grace's reaction, too. I'm assuming we will be meeting his daughter soon, though? 

Liked the stuff with Jack's play. Especially the songs he was trying to come up with. 

[Jillybean]

The way they are styling Karen's hair and makeup this season, she resembles Lesley Ann Warren.

Grace badgering Noah into "I love you" was painful. As was the notion that she would need full-on consolation when she learned he had a kid. You're 50. Stop acting like a child. It's not funny.

Hair & wardrobe continues to hate Debra Messing. 

Edited November 16, 2018 by Jillybean

[seacliffsal]

Loved Eric McCormick throughout this episode.  The 'snapping' from West Side Story was hilarious.

I don't really need another Grace in love/lust story.  

[iMonrey]

Noah asked Will if he liked sports and Will replied "I like ice skating." But Will does not like ice skating. There was an entire episode based around that - Jack and Grace are the ones into skating and they dragged Will and Karen to Stars on Ice on his birthday and he was bored out of his mind. Rudy Galindo was a guest star. How can they not remember?

I know things like this shouldn't bug me, but geez. You'd think when they read that line someone would have remembered that episode. It's such a lazy cliche that "gay men like ice skating" and to top it off they did an entire show about how Will doesn't. 

[jmonique]

Well, I, for one, know that if you have to badger a man into telling him he loves you for the first time, literally screaming at him like a countdown buzzer, that's a real good sign that a relationship is on strong ground.

Oh, Grace. 

[bichonblitz]

6 hours ago, Jillybean said:

The way they are styling Karen's hair and makeup this season, she resembles Lesley Ann Warren.

Megan Mullaly has beautiful hair so I don't get whey they are making her  wear a wig this season. It's clearly a wig. I wonder if she cut it or something and it doesn't look right for the Karen character. The hairstylists also aren't piling it on top of her head with the extra hair piece any more which to me was iconic Karen. 

I can't stand what the writers have done to Jack. He was always so extra but in a funny, endearing way. Not so much anymore. I like him best when he plays off of Will. They need more scenes together.  By the way, where is his fiancee?

Will and Noah were great in the West Side Story scene. I guess I just fan out over Eric Mc no matter what he does... 

Edited November 16, 2018 by bichonblitz

[willowk]

3 hours ago, jmonique said:

Well, I, for one, know that if you have to badger a man into telling him he loves you for the first time, literally screaming at him like a countdown buzzer, that's a real good sign that a relationship is on strong ground.

Oh, Grace. 

Totally agree. I know it was meant to be funny, but IRL it is a recipe for disaster. Have been enjoying Schwimmer on the show, and liked his "its not happening" to Grace as the elevator door closed after she asked about when she would meet his daughter. Wasn't that happy with the Karen/Jack storyline this week. The arguing etc just didn't click with me.  Will was the best this episode, hit every line just right and sparkled throughout.

[TV Diva Queen]

5 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Noah asked Will if he liked sports and Will replied "I like ice skating." But Will does not like ice skating. There was an entire episode based around that - Jack and Grace are the ones into skating and they dragged Will and Karen to Stars on Ice on his birthday and he was bored out of his mind. Rudy Galindo was a guest star. How can they not remember?

I know things like this shouldn't bug me, but geez. You'd think when they read that line someone would have remembered that episode. It's such a lazy cliche that "gay men like ice skating" and to top it off they did an entire show about how Will doesn't. 

I don't know if Will hates ice skating or he just didn't want to go to the ice capades for his birthday.  Weren't they supposed to go to Balthazar?  

[MaryHedwig]

6 hours ago, iMonrey said:

There was an entire episode based around that - Jack and Grace are the ones into skating and they dragged Will and Karen to Stars on Ice on his birthday and he was bored out of his mind. Rudy Galindo was a guest star. How can they not remember?

Well they forgot that Will and Grace both had children....

[Snow Apple]

1 hour ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I don't know if Will hates ice skating or he just didn't want to go to the ice capades for his birthday.  Weren't they supposed to go to Balthazar?  

He disliked ice skating. When Grace and Jack discovered their mutual love of skating, Will said he knew they would end up liking each other, only he didn't think it would be by bonding over something stupid like skating.

Not an exact quote but the gist is there.

1 hour ago, MaryHedwig said:

Well they forgot that Will and Grace both had children....

They didn't forget. It as all Karen's crazy dream. lol 

[sum]

I understand where you guys are coming from, as it's clear that continuity hasn't been the writers' top priority. 

Having said that, in reality people's preference do change with time. I used to think a certain sport was such a bore, couldn't understand how anyone could enjoy watching it. Now it's one of my top two favorite sports. In my case, I didn't even need any sort of guidance or introduction to it from someone else. It just happened. So from my own experience, it's not unrealistic.

Edited November 16, 2018 by sum
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[Guest]

10 hours ago, Jillybean said:

Grace badgering Noah into "I love you" was painful. As was the notion that she would need full-on consolation when she learned he had a kid. You're 50. Stop acting like a child. It's not funny.

That whole "I love you" buzzer screeching scene was something pulled from the scrap pile of a corny early 90s teen romcom. It was...embarrassing at best and gaslighting at worst. You've been dating someone for months and they say they have feelings, you're a grown woman, isn't love sort of implied? I'm not sure why the writers think having Grace act like a clueless spoiled preteen is funny. It's just grating.

In my opinion, you only get to be taken aback that someone you're dating has a kid if you're under 22 or they tell you that they're pregnant/their ex is pregnant when you meet. Grace is fucking 50. If you're going to be a parent, pretty much everyone in your dating pool has had their kids, unless you cougar it up like Jack and Will (who it seems are allergic to dating anyone over 30 in the reboot). I would've been more sympathetic if she had been apprehensive about the prospect of playing a stepparent role to a child, but Grace made it all about her and spun it as some sort of malicious, calculating move by Noah. Eye roll.  

[veronicalodge44]

i actually loved all the grace & noah scenes, even the "countdown" part -- i took grace's statement that she is done with pursuing emotionally unavailable men at face value and i liked how the scene combined comedy and pathos.  and man, debra messing does both comedy and drama so well and can turn on a dime from one to the other (i enjoyed sharon stone's compliments to her about her acting in this show, on an "actors on actors" video by variety, which i caught on youtube recently.  i think stone is right about messing's abundant talent, which just shines in this role.)

 

and yes, the snapping back and forth between will and noah was hilarious.  really, their timing was ace in their time alone together.

 

and while i was not as enamored of the karen and jack storyline, i still laughed out loud more than once - that chemistry between the actors as well as some sharp writing of admittedly juvenile humor got me.

[Gothish520]

1 hour ago, veronicalodge44 said:

i actually loved all the grace & noah scenes, even the "countdown" part -- i took grace's statement that she is done with pursuing emotionally unavailable men at face value and i liked how the scene combined comedy and pathos.  and man, debra messing does both comedy and drama so well and can turn on a dime from one to the other (i enjoyed sharon stone's compliments to her about her acting in this show, on an "actors on actors" video by variety, which i caught on youtube recently.  i think stone is right about messing's abundant talent, which just shines in this role.)

 

and yes, the snapping back and forth between will and noah was hilarious.  really, their timing was ace in their time alone together.

 

and while i was not as enamored of the karen and jack storyline, i still laughed out loud more than once - that chemistry between the actors as well as some sharp writing of admittedly juvenile humor got me.

Yeah, I can understand Grace's impatience with emotional reticence and I took Noah's "I love you" as sincere. It may seem like it's too soon, but in reality it can certainly happen that fast. My husband said I love you within the first few weeks of us dating, and here we are 15 years later, LOL.

And yes indeed, Megan Mullally and Sean Hayes can take any material, good or bad, and turn it into pure gold. 

[Inquisitionist]

I was not a devoted watched of W&G the first time around, but I'm enjoying the reboot very much.  

[mammaM]

I love Will and Noah! Like, wish the show had made him Will's boyfriend, the actors play off each other wonderfully.

And as for Noah's "it's not happening" , I thought that was the most realistic thing about the show. I know a lot of single parents that say no one meets their kid until there's a ring on someone's finger 

[janie jones]

On 11/16/2018 at 5:12 AM, Jillybean said:

Grace badgering Noah into "I love you" was painful. As was the notion that she would need full-on consolation when she learned he had a kid. You're 50. Stop acting like a child. It's not funny.

I didn't take it as the child per se, but that he had kept a significant part of his life from her this entire time.  (And it also can't possibly be true that Noah never lied and just "omitted."  What did he tell Grace he was doing during the times he was with his daughter?  Did he just refuse to say?)  I think it's reasonable to be upset.  The thing is that normal person upset is hysteria for Grace.

 

17 hours ago, SnarkEnthusiast said:

 You've been dating someone for months and they say they have feelings, you're a grown woman, isn't love sort of implied?

I disagree.  If I'm dating someone for months, and they say they "have feelings," what does that even mean?  Isn't "having feelings" why people start dating in the first place (or at least continue dating after the initial date(s))?  "I have feelings for you" is just the grown-up way of saying "I like you in that way."  I don't think it's necessary for someone to feel love at this point, but I would expect someone to have moved beyond just "having feelings" for someone they are (apparently) seriously dating.  So while I wasn't into Grace's countdown, I don't blame her for wanting her boyfriend to not be wishy-washy.

 

1 hour ago, mammaM said:

I know a lot of single parents that say no one meets their kid until there's a ring on someone's finger 

Yikes.  To each their own, but I'd want to make sure the person I was dating was good with my kid before rings entered into the equation.

[mammaM]

On 11/17/2018 at 1:27 PM, janie jones said:

 

 

Yikes.  To each their own, but I'd want to make sure the person I was dating was good with my kid before rings entered into the equation.

😂 I guess that does sounds a little extreme. 😂😂

Just about every single parent I know had a horror story about the kid loving the friend, then the parent deciding they didn't. So I always took the statement as meaning the boyfriend/girlfriend doesn't meet the children until things are serious enough to actually be thinking about rings on fingers. 

[Dancingjaneway]

Will with Noah was freaking hilarious. Kudos to whoever above stated that Eric/David have more chemistry than Debra/David. For me the funniest plotline was Karen & Jack. "Gaybraham Twinkin" & "Shakesqueer" had me rolling. What can I say I'm a sucker for easy laughs. Plus the delivery by Megan & Sean is always perfection.