Spoilers and Speculation

[WalkerTalker]

On 7/28/2018 at 6:31 AM, OoohMaggie said:

Lauren stating she doesn’t die, they are exploring. Yeah Whatever!

its at 28 minutes in, who are those annoying hosts? Uuuhhhh

 

She states last season that we know of, its and open ended story. I don't die, were just exploring. What do you think, keeping her options open in case the big screen jobs disappear, or they really need her to come back to TWD?

[WalkerTalker]

On 7/28/2018 at 2:59 PM, OoohMaggie said:

AL is saying “my relationship with this part is far from over”, so what the hell does that mean? Is that six episodes worth in S9, is it a spin off series, is he taking a long break but will return? He says he can’t say anymore, we’ll as with Lauren, stop screwing with ‘Your’ fans and say more, or don’t say anything and let us find out as we watch. We get you’ve got to publicise the show and get everyone going, which would be fine if the show was worth the hype, which it isn’t at the moment, every time they come out with this crap I have a mental image of ‘The Gimp’ sitting there with that odious smirk on his ugly mug. They are taking the piss out of those of us still hanging on in there, which is not a wise thing to do when the show is teetering on the edge. Just treat us with the respect we are due after so many years of support, they’re managing to annoy the hell out of me and I never thought I would ever feel like this about the show, it’s all very well these actors sitting on a couch making light of everything and treating us like teenage girls waiting for the next word from a boy band, were adults, adults with their finger hovering over the off button!

Getting them to listen to you is like the title Tell It to the Frogs, lol. 

[SimoneS]

26 minutes ago, WalkerTalker said:

She states last season that we know of, its and open ended story. I don't die, were just exploring. What do you think, keeping her options open in case the big screen jobs disappear, or they really need her to come back to TWD?

Lauren quit TWD and her relationship with AMC didn't end on a good note. If AMC thought that Maggie was an important character or that Lauren was a valuable member of the cast, it would have worked out contract terms with her. As a professional, Lauren signed up for these six episodes so they could wrap up her story. It was the show's decision whether her character lived or died, not hers. I suspect that the only reason that it didn't kill Maggie is because Rick is dying at the same time and that will be the focus. 

Edited July 30, 2018 by SimoneS

[WalkerTalker]

7 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Lauren quit TWD and her relationship with AMC didn't end on a good note. If AMC thought that Maggie was an important character or that Lauren was a valuable member of the cast, it would have worked out contract terms with her. As a professional, Lauren signed up for these six episodes so they could wrap up her story. It was the show's decision whether her character lived or died, not hers. I suspect that the only reason that it didn't kill Maggie is because Rick is dying at the same time and that will be the focus. 

Watch the video above, Live with Kelly and Ryan. At about mark 28 she discusses the show. That is where I'm taking my information from. I quoted from the video, LC comments she made live on air. She did use the term,"we" in many of her statements. So, it doesn't sound like something she is deciding, but what the show writers etc. are deciding. Please, just listen to the video above. 

[SimoneS]

27 minutes ago, WalkerTalker said:

Watch the video above, Live with Kelly and Ryan. At about mark 28 she discusses the show. That is where I'm taking my information from. I quoted from the video, LC comments she made live on air. She did use the term,"we" in many of her statements. So, it doesn't sound like something she is deciding, but what the show writers etc. are deciding. Please, just listen to the video above. 

I did watch the video and listen to her other interviews. Her use of the word "we" didn't contradict anything that I wrote. And I said that it was the show's decision what to do with her character not hers, maybe you misunderstood my comment. That she gets along with the showrunners had nothing to do with her contentious and difficult relationship with AMC.

Edited July 30, 2018 by SimoneS

[WalkerTalker]

33 minutes ago, WalkerTalker said:

Watch the video above, Live with Kelly and Ryan. At about mark 28 she discusses the show. That is where I'm taking my information from. I quoted from the video, LC comments she made live on air. She did use the term,"we" in many of her statements. So, it doesn't sound like something she is deciding, but what the show writers etc. are deciding. Please, just listen to the video above. 

 

6 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

I did watch the video and listen to her other interviews. Her use of the word "we" didn't contradict anything that I wrote. And I said that it was the show's decision what to do with her character not hers, maybe you misunderstood my comment. That she gets along with the showrunners had nothing to do with her contentious and difficult relationship with AMC.

 

45 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Lauren quit TWD and her relationship with AMC didn't end on a good note. If AMC thought that Maggie was an important character or that Lauren was a valuable member of the cast, it would have worked out contract terms with her. As a professional, Lauren signed up for these six episodes so they could wrap up her story. It was the show's decision whether her character lived or died, not hers. I suspect that the only reason that it didn't kill Maggie is because Rick is dying at the same time and that will be the focus. 

If I misunderstood the sentence, It was the show's decision whether her character lived or died, not hers, I apologize. I took her,"we" statements to mean it was a decision they all made together since they are not killing her off. At the end of the day it is just a show and I really don't give a rats arse what they do with Maggie, or Rick. 

[OoohMaggie]

Just had a proper look at the promo clip, at about 2:20 in, when Coral 2.0 trips the Saviour up with his stick, we only see a back shot, but is that Regina? The cut off shirt and hair look remarkably like her but I thought she got wasted at the big battle. 

Despite me believing that he would eventually come good and do something decent, at 4:00 in, Gregory, knife in hand is having a tussle with Maggie, can’t wait to see how that ends!

[diebartdie]

What the heck does this mean?

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a little accidental push from comic creator Robert Kirkman

[Morrigan2575]

7 minutes ago, diebartdie said:

What the heck does this mean?

If you're talking about the accidental push part, it sounds like poor 'journalism'. The accidental push appears to be Kirkman making a comment leading AL to confirm his departure. However, they don't actually quote Kirk man so it comes off as awkward.

[diebartdie]

OK, I buy that....I was thinking the "accidental push" was killing Carl but as you said, the article does not explain it and it is just awkward.

[SnarkyTart]

7 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Despite me believing that he would eventually come good and do something decent, at 4:00 in, Gregory, knife in hand is having a tussle with Maggie, can’t wait to see how that ends!

I think we already know how that will end...

On ‎5‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 12:58 PM, SnarkyTart said:

For those still keeping score, the Spoiling Dead Fans facebook page has two spoilers. 

First, Baby Hershel (spawn of Maggie) will be in episode 9.01 and he will be between 6 mos - 1 yr old.  There will be a 12-18 month time jump. 

Second, also in episode 1, Maggie will have Gregory publicly executed by hanging after he uses alcohol to bribe some alkie named Earl to murder Maggie.  Maggie and Enid will both be injured in the assault, but neither fatally.  Enid will be in a wheelchair, but only temporarily.  

[Nashville]

On 5/31/2018 at 2:58 PM, SnarkyTart said:

Second, also in episode 1, Maggie will have Gregory publicly executed by hanging after he uses alcohol to bribe some alkie named Earl to murder Maggie.  Maggie and Enid will both be injured in the assault, but neither fatally.  Enid will be in a wheelchair, but only temporarily.  

Yay!   I have no idea what Gregory‘s speech at the hangman’s noose will sound like, but it sure as HELL won’t be “I regret I have but one life to give for my country”.  :D

[peach]

http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/30/andrew-lincoln-walking-dead/

Andy on why he's leaving
 

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As for why the star is leaving the biggest TV series in basic cable history, the reason is simple: family. Lincoln lives in England and The Walking Dead shoots for over half the year in Georgia, keeping him away from his wife and kids for prolonged stretches of time. “I have two young children, and I live in a different country, and they become less portable as they get older,” says the man who helped change the zombified face of television. “It was that simple. It was time for me to come home.”

"Spoilers" on season 9
 

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Lincoln also discussed what we will see on screen in season 9 — which includes a time jump — before he departs, and it appears resources will indeed be scarce for the survivors. “The world is deteriorating,” he says. “Food is scarce, the Hilltop’s the main sort of food source, communications are breaking down, we don’t have gas anymore and we’re on horseback, and we’ve run out of bullets. So there is an enormous pressure on this group.”

That means communication and contributions between the communities are more important than ever as they attempt to rebuild society. “Rick Grimes has got a long game, and he knows that unless we trade, unless we look after each community, it’s going to fall apart,” teases Lincoln. “And that’s where we meet a fellow band of warriors just as it’s about to kick off. It’s a fragile peace.” And things will become a lot more fragile after the man who plays Rick is no longer around.

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, peach said:

"Spoilers" on season 9

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Lincoln also discussed what we will see on screen in season 9 — which includes a time jump — before he departs, and it appears resources will indeed be scarce for the survivors. “The world is deteriorating,” he says. “Food is scarce, the Hilltop’s the main sort of food source, communications are breaking down, we don’t have gas anymore and we’re on horseback, and we’ve run out of bullets. So there is an enormous pressure on this group.”

That means communication and contributions between the communities are more important than ever as they attempt to rebuild society. “Rick Grimes has got a long game, and he knows that unless we trade, unless we look after each community, it’s going to fall apart,” teases Lincoln. “And that’s where we meet a fellow band of warriors just as it’s about to kick off. It’s a fragile peace.” And things will become a lot more fragile after the man who plays Rick is no longer around.

I could see this as Production’s way of leaving Rick’s story line open-ended - having him kidnapped by another newly-found community with whom Hilltop has had no previous contact, and doesn’t for some time to come.

Then, after a few seasons (assuming TWD lasts that long, the long-lost Rick Grimes could resurface - but “changed” so much by his captivity that everybody remarks, “Wow - if I didn’t know better, I wouldn’t have even recognized him....”

...wonder if Ted McGinley’s schedule might be open in future days...?  ;>

Edited July 31, 2018 by Nashville
Fixed quoting screwups

[Fellaway]

21 minutes ago, peach said:

http://ew.com/tv/2018/07/30/andrew-lincoln-walking-dead/

The article might be considered spoilery, but this is why Andrew says he's leaving.

Well, I'm sure that played a part in his decision, but I'd be surprised if it was the only reason or even the main reason.  AL has always been very professional and spoken the party line in talking about the show, and I don't see that changing now.  But I felt there was some frustration on his part the last couple seasons that leaked in a bit in his carefully worded interviews about the way Rick and our gang were cut off at the knees, all in service of Negan.  Then, killing off Carl, essentially so Rick would have to keep Negan alive for Carl's sake...  That was probably the last straw for AL, who, I think, considered his and Carl's stories the forefront of the show.  Who could blame him when considering the graphic novels' template?

Still expecting Negan to be our "hero" eventually.  Blargh.  He should be dead.

[LydiaMoon1]

On 7/30/2018 at 4:52 PM, Fellaway said:

Still expecting Negan to be our "hero" eventually.  Blargh.  He should be dead.

Yes. Yes, he should.

[peach]

4 hours ago, Fellaway said:

  But I felt there was some frustration on his part the last couple seasons that leaked in a bit in his carefully worded interviews about the way Rick and our gang were cut off at the knees, all in service of Negan.  Then, killing off Carl, essentially so Rick would have to keep Negan alive for Carl's sake...  That was probably the last straw for AL, who, I think, considered his and Carl's stories the forefront of the show.

I agree with you, and by all accounts he was very upset about how they treated Chandler in the process.  But I think it's also true that his kids are reaching school age and it's hard for them to travel.  I think the sacrifice has to be worth it, and the way TWD is going for him really isn't.

[Fellaway]

3 hours ago, peach said:

I agree with you, and by all accounts he was very upset about how they treated Chandler in the process.  But I think it's also true that his kids are reaching school age and it's hard for them to travel.  I think the sacrifice has to be worth it, and the way TWD is going for him really isn't.

I don't blame him at all.  Personally, I think anyone involved in greenlighting killing Carl should be fired because that decision was a show killer.  It may be a long, drawn out death, but, yeah.  All for Negan.  And I don't get it.  TV show Negan is not at all fascinating.

[OoohMaggie]

13 hours ago, peach said:

and we’ve run out of bullets.

How can they run out of bullets when one of the biggest plot points of last season was ‘Haircut’ making them by the thousand? 

[diebartdie]

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

How can they run out of bullets when one of the biggest plot points of last season was ‘Haircut’ making them by the thousand? 

Oh come on, you know how many windows left in the world needed shooting out...

[AngelaHunter]

17 hours ago, Nashville said:

Then, after a few seasons (assuming TWD lasts that long, the long-lost Rick Grimes could resurface - but “changed” so much by his captivity that everybody remarks, “Wow - if I didn’t know better, I wouldn’t have even recognized him....”

Or maybe they can CGI his head on someone else's body (something that has been done elsewhere with ghastly results) He can just walk around making speeches from old eps and spouting non sequiturs -"Hi Rick. It's a fine morning." New Rick: "They're screwing with the wrong people. WE are the walking dead."  Maybe some hilarity can finally ensue.

[Nashville]

4 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

How can they run out of bullets when one of the biggest plot points of last season was ‘Haircut’ making them by the thousand? 

Bullets themselves generally wouldn’t be your problem; all you need is lead, a fire, and a properly shaped mold.

Likewise with gunpowder; it’s just potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulphur in a 75:15:10 ratio mix.

Brass casings and primers, though...?  THAT might be a problem.  Even with reloads, you can only reload a brass casing so many times before it cracks.

 

20 minutes ago, AngelaHunter said:

Or maybe they can CGI his head on someone else's body (something that has been done elsewhere with ghastly results) He can just walk around making speeches from old eps and spouting non sequiturs -"Hi Rick. It's a fine morning." New Rick: "They're screwing with the wrong people. WE are the walking dead."  Maybe some hilarity can finally ensue.

Now I have a picture in my mind of a bearded Rick head bouncing around on top of a Baywatch Babe body, and I can’t get rid of it.  Thank you very fucking much.  :>

Edited July 31, 2018 by Nashville
Grammar

[AngelaHunter]

56 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Now I have a picture in my mind of a bearded Rick head bouncing around on top of a Baywatch Babe body, and I can’t get rid of it.  Thank you very fucking much.  :>

Yeah, well, now you've put a photoshop idea into my head. I am NOT doing it. I swear I'm not but thank YOU very fuckin' much for that. *mutter grumble*

[SimoneS]

On 7/28/2018 at 1:38 PM, Anela said:

This, and the post above me, makes it sound like she is kept somewhere, but that's sick. I was thinking flashbacks, and how she'd always be alive through baby Hershel. The kind of things people say when you lose someone. I hope they aren't going the coma route, and did the show really need another motherless child?

 

I think that it is more likely Maggie will take Hershel and go away as things to come ahead with Rick and Michonne.

As for Rick, everything points from the trailer to SDCC points to him dying.

Edited July 31, 2018 by SimoneS

[OoohMaggie]

Will it never end? Lol

http://comicbook.com/thewalkingdead/2018/07/31/the-walking-dead-rick-flashback-survives-season-9/

Edited July 31, 2018 by OoohMaggie

[OoohMaggie]

6 hours ago, Nashville said:

Brass casings and primers, though...?  THAT might be a problem

Having no idea about guns I don’t know what primers are, but every building with a plumbing system within it contains a substantial amount of  brass,  so the supply of raw material is basically  limitless, surely after a year or more Eugene would have surmounted these problems. Obviously I have to figure in what fools the writers take us for at times, yet even so the characters  shouldn’t be scrabbling around in the dirt for a few shotgun cartridges a’la Mad Max 79-81 Lol

Edited July 31, 2018 by OoohMaggie

[CrazyDog]

6 hours ago, SimoneS said:

I think that it is more likely Maggie will take Hershel and go away as things to come ahead with Rick and Michonne.

As for Rick, everything points from the trailer to SDCC points to him dying.

I didn't see much for that in the trailer. Was there something specific (well, as specific as they ever are) said at SDCC?

[Nashville]

On 7/31/2018 at 4:19 PM, OoohMaggie said:

Having no idea about guns I don’t know what primers are, but every building with a plumbing system within it contains a substantial amount of  brass,  so the supply of raw material is basically  limitless, surely after a year or more Eugene would have surmounted these problems. Obviously I have to figure in what fools the writers take us for at times, yet even so the characters  shouldn’t be scrabbling around in the dirt for a few shotgun cartridges a’la Mad Max 79-81 Lol

 

The issue wouldn’t be the quantity of available brass, but its quality.  There are many different grades of brass, and cartridge brass is a grade of its own. Lower-quality alloys capable of handling the relatively low pressure of water as piping would shatter like crockery when subjected to the exponentially higher pressure of detonated gunpowder. The “drawing” process necessary to manufacture cartridge casings is also more technically involved than the simple pour-and-cast method necessary to manufacture lead bullets.

Would You Like To Know More? ™  ;)

• Cartridge manufacture
• Cartridge primers

Edited August 2, 2018 by Nashville
Screwed up the “Starship Troopers” reference. ;)

[SimoneS]

The idea that Eugene could make bullets was always preposterous. However, I find it far more ridiculous that they are in Alexandria the residence of maybe one quarter of the federal government and they haven't encountered one scientist or engineer who can help them improve their lives. It does make sense that at some point producing food reliably would become a major problem and that the infrastructure around them would start crumbling without maintenance.

[WalkerTalker]

On 7/31/2018 at 6:25 AM, OoohMaggie said:

How can they run out of bullets when one of the biggest plot points of last season was ‘Haircut’ making them by the thousand? 

Haircut only made 1 real bullet that time for Rosita, and the sample for Negan. Maybe they run out of needed supplies. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by WalkerTalker
forgot the cut

[WalkerTalker]

When they needed guns, and ammo to fight Negan I  always wondered why they never went back to Morgan's apartment where Rick, Michonne, and Carl met up with him in that small town. That place was stockpiled with guns and ammo. Waste not, want not. 

[SimoneS]

40 minutes ago, WalkerTalker said:

When they needed guns, and ammo to fight Negan I  always wondered why they never went back to Morgan's apartment where Rick, Michonne, and Carl met up with him in that small town. That place was stockpiled with guns and ammo. Waste not, want not. 

Morgan's apartment was in Georgia in the town where Rick use to live. They are in Virginia. There is no realistic way they could get back there.

Edited August 2, 2018 by SimoneS

[Anela]

On 7/31/2018 at 12:53 PM, SimoneS said:

I think that it is more likely Maggie will take Hershel and go away as things to come ahead with Rick and Michonne.

As for Rick, everything points from the trailer to SDCC points to him dying.

I hope so. I thought the poster before was talking about Maggie being dead, or sort of dead (sorry, I can't remember who that was). She was the one talking to the woman who was all dressed up last year, so your post makes more sense. Whatever it is, they should just stop screwing with people. It isn't encouraging me to tune in again, at all. But there isn't much that would anymore. 

2 hours ago, WalkerTalker said:

Haircut only made 1 real bullet that time for Rosita, and the sample for Negan. Maybe they run out of needed supplies. 

I thought he was making a lot of them for the saviours. 

[mandolin]

11 minutes ago, Anela said:

 

I thought he was making a lot of them for the saviours. 

He was, then made the bad batch that backfired on them all in the last episode (or whenever that was).

[Nashville]

55 minutes ago, Anela said:

I thought he was making a lot of them for the saviours. 

MulletMan undoubtedly made the first few (dozen or so?) as proof-of concept, but after that he had a crew of minion Saviors working a cartridge assembly line - using scavenged brass cartridges, and the bullets and gunpowder manufactured by Eugene.  Wouldn’t have been any problem at all for Eugene to tweak the gunpowder mixture, or have the crew overfilling the cartridges; after all, who on the line was likely to know the difference?

[Anela]

10 minutes ago, Nashville said:

MulletMan undoubtedly made the first few (dozen or so?) as proof-of concept, but after that he had a crew of minion Saviors working a cartridge assembly line - using scavenged brass cartridges, and the bullets and gunpowder manufactured by Eugene.  Wouldn’t have been any problem at all for Eugene to tweak the gunpowder mixture, or have the crew overfilling the cartridges; after all, who on the line was likely to know the difference?

I know what happened, I just don't understand why he doesn't make more. If he had them working on it, why can't he teach the others how to make them properly?

[Anela]

On 7/29/2018 at 7:58 PM, WalkerTalker said:

She states last season that we know of, its and open ended story. I don't die, were just exploring. What do you think, keeping her options open in case the big screen jobs disappear, or they really need her to come back to TWD?

A small part of me hopes that they pull a rabbit out of a hat, and manage to get this back on track, for the people who are sticking with them. I don't think that will happen, though, so I hope her new show works out, and that she gets more movie offers. 

I don't know what to think since they killed Carl. I've read spoilers in the past, for the comic, and think that some of the characters should have been dead by now. They may as well be, with what they've been given to do (although I know that's because people like Danai were working on other things).

I'm trying to decide if I want to keep up with the show via the forum, or just let it go. I used to love the show, I like the people here. I'm more excited about things like Murphy Brown coming back, though. I'm just reading here out of habit. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Anela

[Nashville]

3 hours ago, Anela said:

I know what happened, I just don't understand why he doesn't make more. If he had them working on it, why can't he teach the others how to make them properly?

Eugene COULD definitely teach the other Saviors how to make the cartridges correctly, sure - but he didn’t WANT to.

• Eugene did manufacture the the first batch of cartridges properly, but he did so solely to gain Negan’s trust in Eugene’s ability and goodwill.  Remember Negan shooting at the Rick-dummy, using a revolver loaded with Eugene-manufactured rounds?  Those rounds worked just fine.
• Once Eugene had Negan’s buy-in on the assembly line process, though, Eugene deliberately taught the workers how to make the cartridges INcorrectly - so the cartridges would intentionally explode when the Saviors attempted to use them, and thus protect his Hilltop/ASZ/Kingdom friends.

[Anela]

48 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Eugene COULD definitely teach the other Saviors how to make the cartridges correctly, sure - but he didn’t WANT to.

• Eugene did manufacture the the first batch of cartridges properly, but he did so solely to gain Negan’s trust in Eugene’s ability and goodwill.  Remember Negan shooting at the Rick-dummy, using a revolver loaded with Eugene-manufactured rounds?  Those rounds worked just fine.
• Once Eugene had Negan’s buy-in on the assembly line process, though, Eugene deliberately taught the workers how to make the cartridges INcorrectly - so the cartridges would intentionally explode when the Saviors attempted to use them, and thus protect his Hilltop/ASZ/Kingdom friends.

No, I meant CDB, and the people in the communities. 

Edited August 2, 2018 by Anela

[Nashville]

18 minutes ago, Anela said:

No, I meant CDB, and the people in the communities. 

Ah, I get you now.

CDB’s main obstacle to reopening the munitions factory would probably be (as we were discussing earlier upthread) the lack of available brass cartridge cases to do reloads.  When Eugene successfully pulled off his handy-dandy little Exploding Saviors Cartridge plan, one side effect of his caper would be the destruction of about a thousand (formerly) usable casings.  That’s a lot of brass to replace - and replacement cartridge-grade brass would be relatively difficult to scavenge, and even more difficult to manufacture.

[Anela]

12 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Ah, I get you now.

CDB’s main obstacle to reopening the munitions factory would probably be (as we were discussing earlier upthread) the lack of available brass cartridge cases to do reloads.  When Eugene successfully pulled off his handy-dandy little Exploding Saviors Cartridge plan, one side effect of his caper would be the destruction of about a thousand (formerly) usable casings.  That’s a lot of brass to replace - and replacement cartridge-grade brass would be relatively difficult to scavenge, and even more difficult to manufacture.

Oh, okay, thanks. :)

[OoohMaggie]

On 01/08/2018 at 6:11 AM, Nashville said:

Would You Like To Know More? ™  ;)

Thanks for the links, I did reply to you but my question about older guns and muskets has disappeared.

[AngelaHunter]

On 7/31/2018 at 1:12 AM, Fellaway said:

TV show Negan is not at all fascinating.

He's the worst thing a villain can possibly be - not only is he not frightening in the least, he's stullifyingly, yawn-inducingly boring. And for that, TPTB are willing to decimate this show and everyone on it.

[mightysparrow]

On 7/28/2018 at 2:59 PM, OoohMaggie said:

AL is saying “my relationship with this part is far from over”, so what the hell does that mean? Is that six episodes worth in S9, is it a spin off series, is he taking a long break but will return? He says he can’t say anymore, we’ll as with Lauren, stop screwing with ‘Your’ fans and say more, or don’t say anything and let us find out as we watch. We get you’ve got to publicise the show and get everyone going, which would be fine if the show was worth the hype, which it isn’t at the moment, every time they come out with this crap I have a mental image of ‘The Gimp’ sitting there with that odious smirk on his ugly mug. They are taking the piss out of those of us still hanging on in there, which is not a wise thing to do when the show is teetering on the edge. Just treat us with the respect we are due after so many years of support, they’re managing to annoy the hell out of me and I never thought I would ever feel like this about the show, it’s all very well these actors sitting on a couch making light of everything and treating us like teenage girls waiting for the next word from a boy band, were adults, adults with their finger hovering over the off button!

Great comment!

The lack of respect is why I decided to bow out as much as I have.  This show was not a sure thing, even when Darabont (who has a very good reputation) was running things.  None of the cast were big names.  The viewers have made everyone concerned very wealthy and very famous.  I hate the idea of fan-driven shows and we've seen what fan-wars have done to THIS show.  But the viewers deserve respect and it's been a long time since I felt respected as a viewer.  The image of the smirk on Gimple's face STILL makes me angry (Kirkman's too).

Most of the people I know who watched TWD have either stopped or only watch occasionally.   AMC and the showrunners should appreciate the last 'ride or die' fans.  I thought I was one of those fans, but I've stopped riding.

[Nashville]

TPTB don’t care if you’re a ride-or-die or an occasional dilettante - just so long as you count as a member of the key 18-34 demographic, and they can wave you in the face of current/potential advertisers.

[Nashville]

7 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

Thanks for the links, I did reply to you but my question about older guns and muskets has disappeared.

Don’t know what your question was, but you bring up a good point - hit up a Revolutionary or Civil War re-enactor’s shop (of which there’d probably be plenty in the DC/northern VA area), and CDB could probably find a veritable trove of blackpowder weapons and supplies.  For those all you need is black gunpowder, bullets/lead+molds, paper wadding, and flint or caps.

Those would be useful for hunting at least, but not so much with regards to your friendly local zombie horde; the vast majority of available weapons would be single shot, and slow on the reload.  They’re only useful in battle if you have a sufficient volume of weapons - and operators - to break them up into sizable groups.  Then you could have, say, group A fire a volley at your enemy (human or otherwise) - followed by groups B, C and D firing continuous phased volleys while group A reloads, then group B, etc.

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2 hours ago, Nashville said:

Don’t know what your question was, but you bring up a good point 

As your post hasn’t been removed I’ll give it another go Lol,

you’ve pretty much answered the Musket question, the other was regarding weapons of not such an age, the sort QuickDraw is using over on Fear, the ‘Wild West’ weapons, Winchesters etc, I’m guessing that the quality of materials and levels of engineering used in those early years wasn’t up to today’s standards, so would the readily available ‘household brass’ be of sufficient quality to produce ammunition for such weapons? Also shotguns, compared to bullet casings, would it be easier to produce cartridges using materials that our group could be reasonably expected to come across?

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[Gobi]

2 hours ago, OoohMaggie said:

As your post hasn’t been removed I’ll give it another go Lol,

you’ve pretty much answered the Musket question, the other was regarding weapons of not such an age, the sort QuickDraw is using over on Fear, the ‘Wild West’ weapons, Winchesters etc, I’m guessing that the quality of materials and levels of engineering used in those early years wasn’t up to today’s standards, so would the readily available ‘household brass’ be of sufficient quality to produce ammunition for such weapons? Also shotguns, compared to bullet casings, would it be easier to produce cartridges using materials that our group could be reasonably expected to come across?

The Wild West weapons are more likely to be reproductions than originals, as used by the re-enactors Nashville mentioned.

[WalkerTalker]

On 8/2/2018 at 4:12 AM, Nashville said:

Ah, I get you now.

CDB’s main obstacle to reopening the munitions factory would probably be (as we were discussing earlier upthread) the lack of available brass cartridge cases to do reloads.  When Eugene successfully pulled off his handy-dandy little Exploding Saviors Cartridge plan, one side effect of his caper would be the destruction of about a thousand (formerly) usable casings.  That’s a lot of brass to replace - and replacement cartridge-grade brass would be relatively difficult to scavenge, and even more difficult to manufacture.

I think you really nailed it, the lack of available supplies to make bullets,thx.  I can't wait for the scene were Negan confronts Eugene about the bad ammo he supplied. In our society peeps go searching for soda cans to exchange for money. In the za society peeps should be searching for brass cartridge cases to trade for goods. 

[WalkerTalker]

On 8/1/2018 at 10:08 PM, Anela said:

I hope so. I thought the poster before was talking about Maggie being dead, or sort of dead (sorry, I can't remember who that was). She was the one talking to the woman who was all dressed up last year, so your post makes more sense. Whatever it is, they should just stop screwing with people. It isn't encouraging me to tune in again, at all. But there isn't much that would anymore. 

I thought he was making a lot of them for the saviours. 

He did make a lot for the saviors but, they were not real. He intentionally made them bad to explode in their faces. So, he only made 1 real bullet for Rosita, and those samples he made for Negan to prove he could make bullets. I was happy he was there for team Rick in the end. As usual Rick did poor strategic planning for the fight. And he let Team Negan lead him on. 

On 8/1/2018 at 8:48 PM, SimoneS said:

Morgan's apartment was in Georgia in the town where Rick use to live. They are in Virginia. There is no realistic way they could get back there.

Yeah, that makes sense. I didn't think about that. What would be a days drive for us is a nightmare in the za. Plus, having to divide the group up is always a danger.