Maci

[teapot]

Just now, WhosThatGirl said:

 

Its one thing to tell a producer off camera, the girls all talk like the cast members are their family but again.. off camera. Why did she chose to say it to the producer while still filming? I don’t understand her actions sometimes.

"Maci, you're giving us nothing.  You'll remember that we brought Briana on Teen Mom 2, right?  The Ryan storyline is *dead in the water*. Contract negotiations are coming up...."

[ReadMeLattice]

59 minutes ago, Meatball said:

“Are you mad?” Um, Maci? Even I can tell he’s mad and I’m not married to him. 

I hate these morons think we’re all just as dumb as they are. Someone with true fertility issues diesn’t sit around talking about having more biological kids with the ease that she did in that scene.

Alcohol can play a part in miscarriages, right?

To be fair, don't something like a full quarter or third of pregnancies result in miscarriage? So IDK if alcohol "caused" it, usually they're just caused by nothing, right? Although of course it could be possible.

I mean, I feel bad for her but...as with most things with Maci...her way of going about discussing it was super inappropriate.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Lm2162

[Tatum]

7 minutes ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Okay.. that clip. Miscarriages are awful and I never want that on anyone but Maci was acting so strange that clip. First off, Taylor clearly didn’t want to talk about it and she knew which is why she did the whole “if we want another baby.. you have to remember.. just think about it” and he did and then he leaves and she shares ON CAMERA! what the deal was. The hell was that? 

Its one thing to tell a producer off camera, the girls all talk like the cast members are their family but again.. off camera. Why did she chose to say it to the producer while still filming? I don’t understand her actions sometimes.

So her fans will flock to her social media pages to express their sympathy and gratitude for her for coming forward. She's totally willing to leverage her miscarriage for an increased fanbase.

[Tatum]

5 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

To be fair, don't something like a full quarter or third of pregnancies result in miscarriage? So IDK if alcohol "caused" it, usually they're just caused by nothing, right? Although of course it could be possible.

I mean, I feel bad for her but...as with most things with Maci...her way of going about discussing it was super inappropriate.

I do think it's 1 in 4 end in miscarriage, but a massive amount of the 1 in 4s are very, very early the pregnancy...like, maybe a few days after implantation. The common thread they think is that the cell did not divide properly or has some major genetic flaw. The further along in a pregnancy you are, the more statistically unlikely it is to suffer a miscarriage, but of course it happens.

 

In fact, some people say that miscarriages are even more common than the current estimate, because unless a woman is trying to get pregnant and testing very early, she could mistake a miscarriage for a regular period.

[WhosThatGirl]

50 minutes ago, teapot said:

"Maci, you're giving us nothing.  You'll remember that we brought Briana on Teen Mom 2, right?  The Ryan storyline is *dead in the water*. Contract negotiations are coming up...."

Yeah you make sense but still that’s pretty low especially that Taylor said their parents didn’t even know? Also they already had a name for the baby? 

Onviously she needed a story but isn’t this season close to be over anyway at this point? but seriously Poor Taylor. I know he signed up for this and all but this seems a little much if their parents didn’t even know.

Also agree to the other commenter that she’s probably going to get tons of social media praises for this. Like she doesn’t already. 

And miscarriages are awful and terrible and I can’t even imagine but.. I don’t know. Something about this whole thing feels off to me.

Edited January 19, 2018 by WhosThatGirl

[Meatball]

Oh, I know they happen for no reason, but with Maci I have to wonder if her unwillingness to knock off the alcohol when she’s pregnant might have been a (major) contributing factor.

Again, I am not blaming women for their miscarriages, just Maci and her dependency on alcohol.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Meatball

[GreatKazu]

Just now, Meatball said:

Oh, I know they happen for no reason, but with Maci I have to wonder if her unwillingness to knock off the alcohol when she’s pregnant might have been a major contributing factor.

Again, I am not blaming women for their miscarriages, just Maci. 

I got you.

Maci can't seem to stop the alcohol even if she is pregnant. Just because she was able to hold three pregnancies, that doesn't mean she can continue the pattern. It is not safe for the fetus, period. 

I am wondering why they were holding off on telling Taylor's parents. No mention of Maci's parents. Did they know? 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

1 hour ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Okay.. that clip. Miscarriages are awful and I never want that on anyone but Maci was acting so strange that clip. First off, Taylor clearly didn’t want to talk about it and she knew which is why she did the whole “if we want another baby.. you have to remember.. just think about it” and he did and then he leaves and she shares ON CAMERA! what the deal was. The hell was that? 

Its one thing to tell a producer off camera, the girls all talk like the cast members are their family but again.. off camera. Why did she chose to say it to the producer while still filming? I don’t understand her actions sometimes.

Because she was likely tipsy or drunk. Or/and St. Maci of Bud Light was running low on praise for her martyrdom with Ryan's addiction and losing screen time to Ryan and Mac. 

57 minutes ago, Tatum said:

So her fans will flock to her social media pages to express their sympathy and gratitude for her for coming forward. She's totally willing to leverage her miscarriage for an increased fanbase.

Exactly.  Ryan's addiction story line was taking too much focus off of St. Maci's struggles. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Meatball]

10 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

I got you.

Maci can't seem to stop the alcohol even if she is pregnant. Just because she was able to hold three pregnancies, that doesn't mean she can continue the pattern. It is not safe for the fetus, period. 

I am wondering why they were holding off on telling Taylor's parents. No mention of Maci's parents. Did they know? 

I think he said our parents so I’m guessing Maci’s parents didn’t know either. Maci had to have been buzzed during that scene. It cracks me up how she and Cate talk about having kids while downing margaritas and smoking; two habits that should be stopped before you even think about conceiving.

[Tatum]

1 minute ago, Meatball said:

I think he said our parents so I’m guessing Maci’s parents didn’t know either. Maci had to have been buzzed during that scene. It cracks me up how she and Cate talk about having kids while downing margaritas and smoking; two habits that should be stopped before you even think about conceiving.

I am sure Maci and Taylor weren't hoping to get pregnant (I say "hoping" and not "trying" or "planning", because when I say someone is not trying to get pregnant, I mean they are taking steps to not get pregnant) but due to pure laziness, haven't been using birth control. I would speculate that Taylor has bitched to his family about being overwhelmed and stressed with the three kids and it doesn't make him look good to then admit he's been banging his wife sans protection all this time. If his family has provided babysitting in order to give him a break, they may not be so inclined to help him if he's not making even the most minimum of efforts to not add another child to the mix.

[GreatKazu]

1 minute ago, Tatum said:

I am sure Maci and Taylor weren't hoping to get pregnant (I say "hoping" and not "trying" or "planning", because when I say someone is not trying to get pregnant, I mean they are taking steps to not get pregnant) but due to pure laziness, haven't been using birth control. I would speculate that Taylor has bitched to his family about being overwhelmed and stressed with the three kids and it doesn't make him look good to then admit he's been banging his wife sans protection all this time. If his family has provided babysitting in order to give him a break, they may not be so inclined to help him if he's not making even the most minimum of efforts to not add another child to the mix.

Maci could also be lying to him and had assured him she was on birth control. She has lied before. 

To whoever mentioned Amber saying she wants to adopt just to make herself look good to the viewers, I think you are correct. She is all about appearances. 

[Tatum]

Did she lie about birth control to him? I know she lied to the public that she was on birth control with Maverick, than later changed her story. I do think she intentionally misled Taylor about her ability to get pregnant, but I don't know that she ever tried to convince him she was on birth control when she wasn't. However, if she has, that still doesn't make Taylor look very responsible to not wear a condom while fucking someone who has proven to be untrustworthy.

 

Taylor could be broken up about the miscarriage. He could think it was private and didn't want to discuss it on TV (although I tend to think private people don't go out of their way to date and marry people on a reality TV show). But my (admittedly uncharitable- I don't like Taylor) take is that Taylor's main issue was that Maci outed them for not using birth control and now he was going to get flak for it.

[GreatKazu]

21 minutes ago, Tatum said:

Did she lie about birth control to him? I know she lied to the public that she was on birth control with Maverick, than later changed her story. I do think she intentionally misled Taylor about her ability to get pregnant, but I don't know that she ever tried to convince him she was on birth control when she wasn't. However, if she has, that still doesn't make Taylor look very responsible to not wear a condom while fucking someone who has proven to be untrustworthy.

 

Taylor could be broken up about the miscarriage. He could think it was private and didn't want to discuss it on TV (although I tend to think private people don't go out of their way to date and marry people on a reality TV show). But my (admittedly uncharitable- I don't like Taylor) take is that Taylor's main issue was that Maci outed them for not using birth control and now he was going to get flak for it.

I meant, she could have lied to Taylor about being on birth control this last time around when she became pregnant. It was in response to your comment how Taylor might be embarrassed to tell his parents that he and Maci had conceived again when he was likely telling them how hard it is to deal with the three kids and how stressful it has become. I agree, he might have been telling them he was done with kids all the while believing Maci was using protection. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by GreatKazu

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

Maci could also be lying to him and had assured him she was on birth control. She has lied before. 

She certainly could be*, but by now if Taylor isn't taking his own precautions, he's an idiot (assuming he doesn't want more kids or at least doesn't want them now). Maci has two miracle babies under age 3 that he's fathered with her.  She's had three miracle pregnancies with him in three years and she's had four pregnancies total.  If he's still leaving birth control up to her, then he's a fool. 

 

*she probably is lying to him about it 

Edited January 19, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Tatum]

2 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

She certainly could be*, but by now if Taylor isn't taking his own precautions, he's an idiot (assuming he doesn't want more kids or at least doesn't want them now). Maci has two miracle babies under age 3 that he's fathered with her.  She's had three miracle pregnancies with him in three years and she's had four pregnancies total.  If he's still leaving birth control up to her, then he's a fool. 

 

*she probably is lying to him about it 

That's what I was getting at. If my son called me complaining that his wife got pregnant by accident for a third time, I'd be asking him why he isn't wearing a condom since his wife is either apparently immune to hormonal BC (snort), or...can't be trusted to take it correctly.

 

I bet Kyle K. never banged Maci without a condom. He knew better.

[ReadMeLattice]

17 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

She certainly could be*, but by now if Taylor isn't taking his own precautions, he's an idiot (assuming he doesn't want more kids or at least doesn't want them now). Maci has two miracle babies under age 3 that he's fathered with her.  She's had three miracle pregnancies with him in three years and she's had four pregnancies total.  If he's still leaving birth control up to her, then he's a fool. 

 

*she probably is lying to him about it 

Totally agree. 

At this point if Taylor isn't wrapping it up and doesn't want more kids, he's just plain stupid. Of course, he's a nice guy but he's never seemed overly responsible to me. He seems to be about in the same boat as Maci. He drinks a lot (two peas in a pod) and always just comes across as a super lazy hipster type to me. He turned me off a lot when he openly admitted he was waiting to propose until MTV would pay for the ring or wedding. 

Really they just seem like a slightly more well adjusted Cate and Tyler to me, with maybe more booze and less food. I know they think of themselves as very much not like that, but the fact is they've had more unplanned pregnancies than anybody on the show except Jenelle. And those are just the ones we know about. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by Lm2162

[Tatum]

Yeah, Taylor has gotten a fair amount of credit this season for being involved with the kids, but something about him just rubs me the wrong way. From referring to himself as a "reality star" (which he quickly backpedaled and downgraded himself to "sidekick"), to the instance you mentioned where he said he'd propose if it got them another season, to validating Maci's little bitchfit about Farrah by saying Farrah's porn past was imposing on Maci's "brand", to Maci's complaints that she needs to bribe Taylor with blowjobs to get him to help out more with the chores and the kids, to his stupid Tshirt company, to him referring to himself as Bentley's dad (fine to say he feels fatherly towards Bentley or that Bentley is as much a son to him as Maverick, but he doesn't get to declare himself Bentley's true father, that is for Bentley to decide), etc- I just don't like him. I think he's lazy and irresponsible and a complete famewhore.

[ReadMeLattice]

18 minutes ago, Tatum said:

Yeah, Taylor has gotten a fair amount of credit this season for being involved with the kids, but something about him just rubs me the wrong way. From referring to himself as a "reality star" (which he quickly backpedaled and downgraded himself to "sidekick"), to the instance you mentioned where he said he'd propose if it got them another season, to validating Maci's little bitchfit about Farrah by saying Farrah's porn past was imposing on Maci's "brand", to Maci's complaints that she needs to bribe Taylor with blowjobs to get him to help out more with the chores and the kids, to his stupid Tshirt company, to him referring to himself as Bentley's dad (fine to say he feels fatherly towards Bentley or that Bentley is as much a son to him as Maverick, but he doesn't get to declare himself Bentley's true father, that is for Bentley to decide), etc- I just don't like him. I think he's lazy and irresponsible and a complete famewhore.

Very much so.

Which, again, I would venture to say that most people have vices (though theirs appear a bit extreme) and it's not like they're the worst people on earth or something, but they both prance around like they are super classy and well-bred and/or Badass Business-Owning Boss Bitches/Bros. Like...you got pregnant, got on a TV show, had several kids while in an ambiguous dating relationship, the guy proposed when the girl begged and nagged enough, you bought a shitty T-shirt company that probably does slightly better than the average shitty T-shirt company because you have built-in fans from the TV show you're on about said pregnancies, and apparently between the two of you you can't figure out how birth control pills or condoms work and neither one appears to have an education or a job. No, they're not Amber/Matt/New Matt or Jenelle/David level bad. They're not getting routinely arrested for domestic violence like Nathan or David or viciously abusing people on the reg and neglecting children like Amber and Jenelle.

But damn, they both put on quite a few airs for people so damn mediocre. Pretty much AGGRESSIVELY average or below, but with privileges that many people could have used to become extraordinary or at least better than before.

Edited January 19, 2018 by Lm2162

[GreatKazu]

56 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

She certainly could be*, but by now if Taylor isn't taking his own precautions, he's an idiot (assuming he doesn't want more kids or at least doesn't want them now). Maci has two miracle babies under age 3 that he's fathered with her.  She's had three miracle pregnancies with him in three years and she's had four pregnancies total.  If he's still leaving birth control up to her, then he's a fool. 

 

*she probably is lying to him about it 

Yes, that is the other side to the issue, assuming Taylor is complaining about Maci becoming pregnant or lying about birth control. 

I certainly do not know if Taylor is complaining at all. It was just a response to Tatum's comment about that being the possibility.

I think Taylor has been led to think adoption is the next step going by Maci's comments. If that is true, then they need to discuss one of them having a medical procedure to permanently stop these "oops" pregnancies.

Maci wants another bonus baby. 

[Tatum]

True, I don't know that Maci and Taylor aren't open to getting pregnant right now, nor do I know that Taylor is overwhelmed and would not welcome another pregnancy. It was just speculation. 

[ReadMeLattice]

Just now, Tatum said:

True, I don't know that Maci and Taylor aren't open to getting pregnant right now, nor do I know that Taylor is overwhelmed and would not welcome another pregnancy. It was just speculation. 

I presume that as with most things, the answer is not that they do or don't want one but just sort of get drunk, bang and don't care? lol

I think we might be overthinking how much forethought these two put into anything except booze runs and the next MTV season.

[druzy]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

I bet Kyle K. never banged Maci without a condom. He knew better.

And everyone called him slow! 

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

True, I don't know that Maci and Taylor aren't open to getting pregnant right now, nor do I know that Taylor is overwhelmed and would not welcome another pregnancy. It was just speculation. 

And we speculate well. :-) 

 

1 hour ago, Lm2162 said:

I presume that as with most things, the answer is not that they do or don't want one but just sort of get drunk, bang and don't care? lol

I think we might be overthinking how much forethought these two put into anything except booze runs and the next MTV season.

So true.

I think Maci says a lot just for the show. 

[neece26]

Not sure why these two need more kids right now.  Enjoy the ones you have.  What is the big rush?

Taylor was pissed and I don't blame him.  It was so obvious he wanted her to STFU about it. 

I can't believe they were going to name a baby Dandylion.  

[GreatKazu]

She must have been at least 4 months to know it was a girl.

Oh oh. Are there any photos of her drinking on her social media where she was pregnant?Timeline!

Edited January 20, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Enya Face]

5 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

She must have been at least 4 months to know it was a girl.

Oh oh. Are there any photos of her drinking on her social media where she was pregnant?Timeline!

Ohh, Good catch, Kazu! I didn't even think about the gender timeline.

[GreatKazu]

@Enya Face not only that, but if she was at least four months along, and possibly showing, why didn't they inform their families that Maci was expecting? 

 

Does she look pregnant to anyone else? This is Halloween.

There is a photo on Maci's Instagram from that girls' trip to the college football game. The date reads October 14th. 

Wasn't there a photo posted here months ago and we made fun of her having a beer belly?  

 

Edited January 20, 2018 by GreatKazu

[Farmfam]

12 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

She must have been at least 4 months to know it was a girl.

Oh oh. Are there any photos of her drinking on her social media where she was pregnant?Timeline!

I had a high risk pregnancy. I knew my daughter was a "she" at 12 weeks from a blood test.

[druzy]

7 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

@Enya Face not only that, but if she was at least four months along, and possibly showing, why didn't they inform their families that Maci was expecting? 

 

Does she look pregnant to anyone else? This is Halloween.

There is a photo on Maci's Instagram from that girls' trip to the college football game. The date reads October 14th. 

Wasn't there a photo posted here months ago and we made fun of her having a beer belly?  

 

[GreatKazu]

Yes, @druzy that is the photo! You are the best! 

[ReadMeLattice]

With her it's so confusing. She's so skinny that I can't ever tell if it's a baby or just a hamburger because even that would show on her teeny tiny frame.

[ghoulina]

On 1/19/2018 at 0:18 PM, Meatball said:

Are you mad?” Um, Maci? Even I can tell he’s mad and I’m not married to him. 

Maci just proved to Taylor that her reality show storyline comes before him. 

[GreatKazu]

21 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Maci just proved to Taylor that her reality show storyline comes before him. 

People don't like to be made a fool of, especially by their partner. Maci did it publicly and on camera for hundreds of thousands of strangers. 

Keep it up, Maci. 

Edited January 21, 2018 by GreatKazu

[druzy]

24 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

People don't like to be made a fool of, especially by their partner. Maci did it publicly and on camera for hundreds of thousands of strangers. 

Keep it up, Maci. 

...and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[alexa]

The other thing is as already discussed not everyone wants to share miscarriage info with others. Maybe they are private or maybe they don’t want anyone to know they were trying. And sometimes family is the last people you would tell. So she definitely made it awkward for him because now he has to tell his family and most likely had no intention to.   I would be mad if it were me. 

[SPLAIN]

On 1/19/2018 at 4:14 PM, neece26 said:

Not sure why these two need more kids right now.  Enjoy the ones you have.  What is the big rush?

 

That is exactly what I was thinking as I watched that peak preview. Thanks Farrah. It is as if Maci wants to give the illusion she is this busy mother at home when in reality her kids are at daycare while mom is at home boozing it up.

[Vandy10]

The Maci-adoption story line is crap, just like Jessa Duggar's. I don't blame Maci for being ignorant of what adopting a 4-6 year old is really like, because there was a lot about adoption I didn't know until I started the process. But ya know what? I knew that I was ignorant and did some research before even contacting an adoption agency. This storyline is dead in the water the second Maci learns just a bit about the realities of adopting an older child. 

For example:

-Many agencies/social workers strongly recommend against adopting out of birth order

-An older child is going to come either from foster care or an orphanage abroad

          -Foster care means dealing with CPS, the courts, and the birth family until rights are severed

          -Institutionalization does a number on kids

-An older child up for adoption will have some past trauma & dealing with that trauma is no joke

 

There's so much more, but you get the gist. I can't tell if Maci genuinely has a desire to adopt, but just hasn't learned about it yet, or if she's just using it for a storyline. Jessa Duggar I believe was doing the latter.

[ReadMeLattice]

I also think both of them looked tipsy during that, Maci especially. I think that was the cause for the loose lips, as others have said.

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

I also think both of them looked tipsy during that, Maci especially. I think that was the cause for the loose lips, as others have said.

Loose lips sink ships.

The producers make sure to capture Maci when she is drinking which seems to be most of the time. 

Maci probably had diarrhea of the mouth prior to filming. She probably confided to the producer about her miscarriage either that day or prior. The producer waited til Maci had a few under her belt and then prodded her to discuss her desire to adopt. 

[Tatum]

4 hours ago, Vandy10 said:

The Maci-adoption story line is crap, just like Jessa Duggar's. I don't blame Maci for being ignorant of what adopting a 4-6 year old is really like, because there was a lot about adoption I didn't know until I started the process. But ya know what? I knew that I was ignorant and did some research before even contacting an adoption agency. This storyline is dead in the water the second Maci learns just a bit about the realities of adopting an older child. 

For example:

-Many agencies/social workers strongly recommend against adopting out of birth order

-An older child is going to come either from foster care or an orphanage abroad

          -Foster care means dealing with CPS, the courts, and the birth family until rights are severed

          -Institutionalization does a number on kids

-An older child up for adoption will have some past trauma & dealing with that trauma is no joke

 

There's so much more, but you get the gist. I can't tell if Maci genuinely has a desire to adopt, but just hasn't learned about it yet, or if she's just using it for a storyline. Jessa Duggar I believe was doing the latter.

I read a really good article by a foster mother once, I'll look for it later and if I can find it, I will link it. What she was basically saying was, is as much as there is a massive shortage on good quality foster homes, and as much as these additional homes are needed by kids, she does NOT recommend that most people try to become foster parents. That sounds awkward how I just put it. What she meant is (or how I interpreted it) was that most people are not equipped to be foster parents, and throwing their hat in the ring, even with the best of intentions, will likely lead to more harm than good. These are seriously damaged children, who act out in a number of ways, and even if you can manage to establish a good relationship with boundaries and mutual respect (no easy feat) you run the continuous risk of having that child go back the that environment, and there is nothing you can do about that. She said she believes a lot of people interested in fostering that she knows are good, responsible people, and she still wouldn't advise they do it.

 

So yeah, the very idea that Maci would have a handle on this situation is laughable.

[ReadMeLattice]

4 hours ago, Tatum said:

I read a really good article by a foster mother once, I'll look for it later and if I can find it, I will link it. What she was basically saying was, is as much as there is a massive shortage on good quality foster homes, and as much as these additional homes are needed by kids, she does NOT recommend that most people try to become foster parents. That sounds awkward how I just put it. What she meant is (or how I interpreted it) was that most people are not equipped to be foster parents, and throwing their hat in the ring, even with the best of intentions, will likely lead to more harm than good. These are seriously damaged children, who act out in a number of ways, and even if you can manage to establish a good relationship with boundaries and mutual respect (no easy feat) you run the continuous risk of having that child go back the that environment, and there is nothing you can do about that. She said she believes a lot of people interested in fostering that she knows are good, responsible people, and she still wouldn't advise they do it.

 

So yeah, the very idea that Maci would have a handle on this situation is laughable.

Yes! One of my closest friends from graduate school was a foster parent to several children. She is a clinical social worker, literally worked *in the Department of Child Protective Services* investigating cases for years, has two master's degrees, AND has years of experience under her belt...and she STILL says it's the hardest thing she's ever done, both because of the trauma the kids she fostered had been through as well as the complexity of navigating an often fraught system that is often underfunded and sometimes populated by folks who don't always do the right thing (like every field). She writes a lot about it. She's one of the most emotionally aware, mature people I have ever known and it was still difficult and required everything she had to deal with principals who dismissed foster children as troublemakers, a system that wasn't financially or logistically set up for them to succeed, and the aftermath of extensive poverty and trauma.

So...um...MACI?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 

 

No.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Lm2162

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

9 hours ago, Vandy10 said:

The Maci-adoption story line is crap, just like Jessa Duggar's. I don't blame Maci for being ignorant of what adopting a 4-6 year old is really like, because there was a lot about adoption I didn't know until I started the process. But ya know what? I knew that I was ignorant and did some research before even contacting an adoption agency. This storyline is dead in the water the second Maci learns just a bit about the realities of adopting an older child. 

For example:

-Many agencies/social workers strongly recommend against adopting out of birth order

-An older child is going to come either from foster care or an orphanage abroad

          -Foster care means dealing with CPS, the courts, and the birth family until rights are severed

          -Institutionalization does a number on kids

-An older child up for adoption will have some past trauma & dealing with that trauma is no joke

 

There's so much more, but you get the gist. I can't tell if Maci genuinely has a desire to adopt, but just hasn't learned about it yet, or if she's just using it for a storyline. Jessa Duggar I believe was doing the latter.

Absolutely. My guess is Maci's dumbass thinks there are actual orphanages full of "kids and babies who need homes" in the US like puppies at the local shelter and she could just fill out an application and go home with a kid the next day.  She thinks she'd end up with Little Orphan Annie rather than a kid from the foster system who has seen some sh*t that Maci and Tyler wouldn't even begin to be able to even comprehend could happen to a child (and as others have said, they'd be overwhelmed and unprepared to help the child deal with it). 

She probably also thinks there are orphanages full of tons of babies and kids in other parts of the world who are just waiting for white American saviors to fly over, pick them out, and take them home. The reality is those countries have extensive laws, waiting periods, and requirements when it comes to adoptions. Many of the orphans in those orphanages aren't really "orphans" in that they have living parents who can't care for them but who may have some rights to them as well.  It can sometimes take years for the child to legally become adoptable in those cases; in some cases it won't happen at all.  I can't see Maci with her 8 years towards an associate's degree sticking with a 2-3 year adoption process. Plus, as others have said, many of those children are also coming with the kind of baggage that Maci & Tyler couldn't even begin to comprehend, plus language and cultural barriers. 

Not to mention that it can cost $30-50k to adopt from a foreign country and Maci needs her beer, vacation, bad tattoo, vehicle, and daycare money.  (I based the cost here on what I've learned from friends who adopted from Ukraine & China.)

She's probably ridiculously uneducated about how adoptions actually work or using it for a story line. Or both. She and Jessa Duggar have both got me going "Sure, Jan" whenever they mention adoption. Neither of you are Mia Farrow or Angelina Jolie. Have a seat. 

St. Maci of Bud Light just wants us to know how saintly and selfless she is, ya'll! She wants to play at being savior to those poor orphans, too! Gross. It's offensive to people who have been through the adoption process and who adopt to love a child, not so they can get sainthood points and play savior. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[ReadMeLattice]

You can't be sitting around getting drunk in front of a kid whose parents were abusive drug addicts, Maci & Taylor.

[Tatum]

2 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Absolutely. My guess is Maci's dumbass thinks there are actual orphanages full of "kids and babies who need homes" in the US like puppies at the local shelter and she could just fill out an application and go home with a kid the next day.  She thinks she'd end up with Little Orphan Annie rather than a kid from the foster system who has seen some sh*t that Maci and Tyler wouldn't even begin to be able to even comprehend could happen to a child (and as others have said, they'd be overwhelmed and unprepared to help the child deal with it). 

She probably also thinks there are orphanages full of tons of babies and kids in other parts of the world who are just waiting for white American saviors to fly over, pick them out, and take them home. The reality is those countries have extensive laws, waiting periods, and requirements when it comes to adoptions. Many of the orphans in those orphanages aren't really "orphans" in that they have living parents who can't care for them but who may have some rights to them as well.  It can sometimes take years for the child to legally become adoptable in those cases; in some cases it won't happen at all.  I can't see Maci with her 8 years towards an associate's degree sticking with a 2-3 year adoption process. Plus, as others have said, many of those children are also coming with the kind of baggage that Maci & Tyler couldn't even begin to comprehend, plus language and cultural barriers. 

Not to mention that it can cost $30-50k to adopt from a foreign country and Maci needs her beer, vacation, bad tattoo, vehicle, and daycare money.  (I based the cost here on what I've learned from friends who adopted from Ukraine & China.)

She's probably ridiculously uneducated about how adoptions actually work or using it for a story line. Or both. She and Jessa Duggar have both got me going "Sure, Jan" whenever they mention adoption. Neither of you are Mia Farrow or Angelina Jolie. Have a seat. 

St. Maci of Bud Light just wants us to know how saintly and selfless she is, ya'll! She wants to play at being savior to those poor orphans, too! Gross. It's offensive to people who have been through the adoption process and who adopt to love a child, not so they can get sainthood points and play savior. 

I'm sure you're right. She probably thinks kids up for adoption are just a bunch of singing, dancing well adjusted kids who just want someone to love them, and will be forever grateful to the 26 year old wunderkind who will not only allow them to live the upper middle class high life in the most beautiful city in the world but ALSO give them the benefit of her unmatched wisdom and insight.

 

And then they can babysit. 

 

 

OK, in all seriousness, even if Maci's motives were totally pure, I think it's pretty clear she is completely ignorant of the situation of which she's speaking. 

[druzy]

Ryan and Mackenzie discuss the drug tests that Maci requested of her ex.

[GreatKazu]

7 hours ago, druzy said:

Ryan and Mackenzie discuss the drug tests that Maci requested of her ex.

If Ryan has done all of these drug tests, and Maci is still being unreasonable, TAKE HER ASS TO COURT! Why do these people avoid court when it could put things to rest once and for all? 

[druzy]

2 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

If Ryan has done all of these drug tests, and Maci is still being unreasonable, TAKE HER ASS TO COURT! Why do these people avoid court when it could put things to rest once and for all? 

Because Maci is drunk or hungover and Ryan is high or robbing someone's Oars. 

[GreatKazu]

8 minutes ago, druzy said:

Because Maci is drunk or hungover and Ryan is high or robbing someone's Oars. 

lmao

I can't read the word "oars" without laughing my ass off. 

[ghoulina]

9 hours ago, druzy said:

Ryan and Mackenzie discuss the drug tests that Maci requested of her ex.

That was like watching two strangers on quaaludes waking up next to each other. 

[druzy]

A seatbelt is useless when you text and drive