S02.E07: Season 2, Episode 7

[ElectricBoogaloo]

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Margaret’s family reel as they discover how dire her situation now is. Margaret awaits her fate while Charlotte desperately implores allies and enemies for help, but Lydia is contriving a way to end their feud for good.

Original airdate: 8/15/18

[heckkitty]

I think this is last week’s description. 

 

This is was a very intense episode. I’m gonna get an ulcer from this show. I guess the outcome is the best I can hope for for Margaret. There definitely are a lot of new plot lines coming from this too

 

ps: Lucy is an idiot. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by heckkitty

[PinkRibbons]

Goddam that was amazing. I was watching it thinking it reminded me of Romeo and Juliet, where you know how it ends but you watch and you hope and you hope it will have a different outcome. But then it did, and it is still fucking bleak, but the Magistrate is officially on my favorites list. He just needs to be quick to tell the family she's alive. Won't they come asking for her body?

One more episode to wrap the season and while I hope the show returns because this season has been crazy good, I suspect they won't want too many loose threads in case they aren't brought back for season 3. So I'm gonna need to see (aside from the Magistrate telling the Wells clan what he did) Amelia damning Fallon, Fallon falling into Nancy + Lucy's hands before he even gets to the jail, Emily freeing Abigail and maybe running to Charlotte for safety (because frankly I think Emily was probably her happiest just working for Margaret as another of her girls, without much responsibility and some modicum of freedom), and Blayne walking into an ugly death at the hands of his sister and/or daughter-niece. Although actually I'm not sure what I want Isabella to do, because it does seem too soon to drop a villain as insanely unlikable (in a good way) as Harcourt Fitzwilliam. She should probably take Sophia and disappear, but how she'd afford it is a tricky question.

Samantha Morton has a lovely voice. The band that sang her song was awesome but she was better.

Edited August 15, 2018 by PinkRibbons

[UNOSEZ]

Bravo to the episode....  Year Lucy is an idiot.. But man is she gonna feel it when it all comes to light... Also any sliver of hope that quigley wasn't a monster is gone.. I kept wondering if she'd have a moment of clarity

.. But nope... I guess its like she told Abigail... Once you go down this road.... 

Ill miss Samantha a d her lovely voice and completely over the top bosom 

[dmc]

OMG

I totally thought Margaret would hang. I was devastated. Her scene with Nancy...was devastating to me.

Justice Hunt is quicky become a decent version of Haxby from season 1.

Lydia doesn't suspect Emily is lying...I feel like there is no way...that is the first thing she would suspect. Also is Charles good enough to fake a pregnacy for...

I love the idea of all black brothel run by Harriet.

Lucy Lucy Lucy...I know you guys hate her but I still do not. I also don't think she's dumber than Charlotte. I think they are just different people. I think she is totally the type to end up married to a client living the high life. Probably not Fallon because he will probably not make it out of the season alive. It's important to remember that none of these women are free to have the life they want, they are all making the best of what they are given. In that kind of life, what choice is wrong?

Charlotte...it's amazing to me that Lucy is pegged the dumb one when Charlotte's plan to bring down Quigley was the worst plan I have ever seen.

Lady Fitz...I feel terrible for her, hopefully she can save her daughter

Poor Olivia...

I can't wait to see how this wraps up....

[heckkitty]

I know, I bawled like a baby in those goodbye scenes in the jail. Next week is going to be awesome but I can’t believe there’s only one episode left. ? this is so much better than hulu’s other main show, at least this season. & in principle, I love THT, just not on execution this season. 

[UNOSEZ]

1 hour ago, dmc said:

Lucy Lucy Lucy...I know you guys hate her but I still do not.

I don't hate Lucy... I understand her motivations... I am frustrated by her mix of arrogance and jealousy... Arrogance that she had Lord Fall in exactly where she wanted him and there was no way he was manipulating her... Jealousy of Charlotte that left her blind to everyone else telling her that she wasn't safe and Fallen was a bad dude( in her eyes her conquest of Falling was a one-up on Charlotte)...  But I don't hate her and like I said in my previous post.. When she realizes all that she's done and the consequences of them... Shea gonna feel it. 

[HeySandyStrange]

I called the possibility of Margaret ending up in America, and I'm glad it happened. Those goodbyes between her and her peeps were devastating, especially when you realized Lucy was still in the clutches of Fallon. Hopefully Hunt let's the family know she's in America. I hope after Samantha is done with the Walking Dead she comes back. The show would lose three great characters if she didn't (I include the bosom of awesomeness as a character:).

Quigley almost showed a sliver of humanity for a second there, over Charlotte. Then of course that was all pissed down the drain. I need her, Fallon and Blayne to get some kind of Justice, I can't stand these disgusting bastards.

I'm worried for Sophia and Lady Fitz. 

[dmc]

1 hour ago, UNOSEZ said:

I don't hate Lucy... I understand her motivations... I am frustrated by her mix of arrogance and jealousy... Arrogance that she had Lord Fall in exactly where she wanted him and there was no way he was manipulating her... Jealousy of Charlotte that left her blind to everyone else telling her that she wasn't safe and Fallen was a bad dude( in her eyes her conquest of Falling was a one-up on Charlotte)...  But I don't hate her and like I said in my previous post.. When she realizes all that she's done and the consequences of them... Shea gonna feel it. 

I mean she can be frustrating.  However I think she gets a lot of ire for being ill suited for this life but I think that's her character

[ferjy]

6 hours ago, dmc said:

OMG

I totally thought Margaret would hang. I was devastated. Her scene with Nancy...was devastating to me.

Justice Hunt is quicky become a decent version of Haxby from season 1.

Lydia doesn't suspect Emily is lying...I feel like there is no way...that is the first thing she would suspect. Also is Charles good enough to fake a pregnacy for...

I love the idea of all black brothel run by Harriet.

Lucy Lucy Lucy...I know you guys hate her but I still do not. I also don't think she's dumber than Charlotte. I think they are just different people. I think she is totally the type to end up married to a client living the high life. Probably not Fallon because he will probably not make it out of the season alive. It's important to remember that none of these women are free to have the life they want, they are all making the best of what they are given. In that kind of life, what choice is wrong?

Charlotte...it's amazing to me that Lucy is pegged the dumb one when Charlotte's plan to bring down Quigley was the worst plan I have ever seen.

Lady Fitz...I feel terrible for her, hopefully she can save her daughter

Poor Olivia...

I can't wait to see how this wraps up....

I agree. And we as the viewers knew what was happening with Margaret, but Lucy had no idea. I doubt she would have vouched for Fallon if she knew her mother's neck was on the line (pun intended).

So this gives Samantha Morton a way to come back when her stint with Walking Dead is over so a better solution than being hanged.

[dmc]

2 minutes ago, ferjy said:

I agree. And we as the viewers knew what was happening with Margaret, but Lucy had no idea. I doubt she would have vouched for Fallon if she knew her mother's neck was on the line (pun intended).

So this gives Samantha Morton a way to come back when her stint with Walking Dead is over so a better solution than being hanged.

I hope she comes back

[snowwhyte]

It would be good if Samantha Morton returned to the show but Margaret would have to survive the journey to America, harsh working conditions for several years to earn her freedom and then find a way to earn enough for a ticket to return home. Did Hunt say how long her sentence was? 

When Nancy said that when Margaret is gone she would have no one i really wanted Margaret to tell her that wasn't true. From what we have seen she is an important part of Margaret's family. Charlotte and Lucy both love her like an aunt. 

Sofia is now added to the list of characters i hope will manage to avoid a terrible fate. She seemed so happy to finally meet her mother and she has no idea how awful things are likely to become for her.  It's strange to think that she and Lucy are probably the same age. I really hope her path will be less tragic.

[ferjy]

3 minutes ago, snowwhyte said:

It would be good if Samantha Morton returned to the show but Margaret would have to survive the journey to America, harsh working conditions for several years to earn her freedom and then find a way to earn enough for a ticket to return home. Did Hunt say how long her sentence was? 

When Nancy said that when Margaret is gone she would have no one i really wanted Margaret to tell her that wasn't true. From what we have seen she is an important part of Margaret's family. Charlotte and Lucy both love her like an aunt. 

Sofia is now added to the list of characters i hope will manage to avoid a terrible fate. She seemed so happy to finally meet her mother and she has no idea how awful things are likely to become for her.  It's strange to think that she and Lucy are probably the same age. I really hope her path will be less tragic.

I think Transportation is usually 7 years. But then next season, if it's renewed (I hope!), they can write in a save before she ever leaves and have her safely back home. TV is like that!

I think Margaret did convey that very message to Nancy when she asked her to take care of Charlotte and Lucy. That reminded her that she is part of the family.

I would love to see Lady Fitz and Charlotte cook up a scheme to put the Marquess away in the asylum. Just desserts! I'm sure under the right circumstances, his cronies would easily conspire to put him away to save their own skin. They're a nasty self-serving bunch.

[OtterMommy]

16 minutes ago, snowwhyte said:

It would be good if Samantha Morton returned to the show but Margaret would have to survive the journey to America, harsh working conditions for several years to earn her freedom and then find a way to earn enough for a ticket to return home. Did Hunt say how long her sentence was? 

 

 

Sentences for transportation were for either 7 or 14 years.  After the sentence was complete, the person serving the sentence could return to England, but they had to pay their own way.  As a result, most stayed in the colonies (and then in Australia).  Here is an article about it .

[Ripley68]

That was just devestating

[tennisgurl]

I really thought that Margaret was going to get hung for a second, I was right there with Hunt yelling "stop stop for Gods sake stop!" in a panic. That was so intense, and so devastating. Margaret does some crappy stuff, but I still love her, and am heartbroken that she will end up separated from her family now. I hope that Hunt tells her family what happened, and that she is still alive, just being shipped off to America. Plus, this means she can come back later if the show gets picked up. And I hope it does, because this season has been on fire! 

Amelia's mother looks so much better without that weird bonnet thing on. She actually looks pretty with her hair over her shoulder. Yea Amelia is alright!

Hunt has really had a turn around this season, and I am actually surprised by how much I've grown to like him. He seems to be one of the few people in the legal world who actually gives a crap about doing the right thing and bringing anyone who commits a crime to justice, even if its a lord. 

Very concerned for Lady Fitz and her daughter, now that her awful brother knows that she has a daughter, even if he doesn't know that she is actually his. Really enjoying the relationship between Charlotte and Lady Fitz. She seemed so happy and relaxed leaving the brothel after their time together. Liv Tyler fits into this show WAY more than I expected her to. 

Samantha Morton has a really nice voice. 

[ElizaD]

I loved every scene with Margaret, but this was such a tense episode that I'll probably enjoy it more after the finale when at least some of the villains have paid for what they've done. All the suffering is hard to endure when I don't yet know how the plots will be resolved (that's why I tend to love spoilers).

I've watched season 1 now, and seeing how Lucy spends it as such an obvious case of walking trauma makes her current behavior easier to understand. It feels like Margaret truly failed her by not doing more to prepare her for the reality of the job she planned for her and by not recognizing how visibly she was upset, afraid and not into it after every encounter with customers. Even though the viewers know that Fallon is using her, he is also growing fond of her and starting to treat her not just as his victim but as his Harley Quinn. Lucy finally gets to stop feeling like she is in a situation where she has no power at all over what will happen to her and that has to be incredibly thrilling after what she has been through. Finding out about both Fallon's true nature and Margaret's (supposed) hanging could wreck her.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Whew, I am so glad that Margaret is still alive, but as she told Hunt, she has no hope without her family. I really hope he tells her family that she's alive because otherwise his act of mercy will have no immediate effect on those who are mourning her loss.

If the hangman was in on it, then why bother actually hanging her since there was no one else in the room?

Lydia is the wooooooorst (TM Jean-Ralphio). She really has no redeeming qualities.

I was so relieved when North got away with Sophia successfully. I was afraid that Blayne's errand boy was going to show up at the last minute and steal Sophia away. I had to laugh when Blayne told that guy to go fetch a schoolgirl for him and he had to explain that she's his niece, not just another girl for him to rape. Geez, Blayne, how was he supposed to know that young girls exist for anything but your disgusting proclivities?

[heckkitty]

2 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

Whew, I am so glad that Margaret is still alive, but as she told Hunt, she has no hope without her family. I really hope he tells her family that she's alive because otherwise his act of mercy will have no immediate effect on those who are mourning her loss.

If the hangman was in on it, then why bother actually hanging her since there was no one else in the room?

Lydia is the wooooooorst (TM Jean-Ralphio). She really has no redeeming qualities.

I was so relieved when North got away with Sophia successfully. I was afraid that Blayne's errand boy was going to show up at the last minute and steal Sophia away. I had to laugh when Blayne told that guy to go fetch a schoolgirl for him and he had to explain that she's his niece, not just another girl for him to rape. Geez, Blayne, how was he supposed to know that young girls exist for anything but your disgusting proclivities?

Given that Blaine raped his own sister, I wouldn’t be surprised if he raped Sophia. Even if he finds out she’s his own daughter, because that’s the kind of fucking awful he is. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by heckkitty
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[OtterMommy]

4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

If the hangman was in on it, then why bother actually hanging her since there was no one else in the room?

 

I don't think the hangman was in on it.  He was at the mercy of the executioner (Hunt) and if things did not go the way Hunt wanted, the hangman would be responsible for it.  He just had to do whatever Hunt told him, as we saw when Margaret was begging Hunt to tell the hangman to kick the table out from under her.

[PinkRibbons]

The hanging scene surprised me a little because if Hunt was doing it with the express idea of making it more merciful than the Justice would have, he should have set it up so that she'd break her neck instantly instead of choking to death. I'm not particularly well-versed on methods of hanging, but if I understand correctly, using a longer rope and attaching a weight to her feet would have helped it end quicker.

I don't think Hunt was actually planning to spare Margaret after technically hanging her, but that it was a more spur of the moment-type act. My guess is he probably bribed the hangman to keep silent about it.

[tennisgurl]

Maybe Hunt subconsciously wanted to put off hanging Margaret until the last possible second, hoping for some kind of reprieve? And when it didnt happen, he stopped it himself. I just hop he tells her family what happened, even if they dont tell everyone else. I assume this will have to be kept on the down low, as Hunt is disobeying a direct order to execute her. 

Lucy might be doing stupid stuff, but I dont hate her for it. She had no idea what was happening with her mother when she stood up for her new bad boy boyfriend, and she is still clearly dealing with her series of traumas from last season. Poor Lucy was so ill prepared for going into the harlot life (Margaret was probably trying to put it off as long as possible) that she got understandably messed up when things started out. And to make it worse, she somehow attracted every weirdo and sadist in the tri state area who own a powdered wig. She is trying to find safety in this man who is powerful and seems to care about, or at least be infatuated with her, and she isnt thinking about anything else. 

[chaifan]

Great episode.  How many episodes do we have left?  I think/hope they manage to spring Margaret before she gets to the ship.  I'm a little surprised that the wagon has so little security - what's stopping anyone from attacking and setting the prisoners free?  You'd think there would be a few horsemen escorting them. 

Anyways...  Amelia's mother really does look different without that horrible cap on.  I was sort of hoping one of the characters would have commented on it, called her pretty or something.  I think Blaine has at least a suspicion that Lady Fitz's daughter is also his.  He seemed to clue in on the timing of her pregnancy while he was gone.  Emily and Charles should not have taken Cherry with them, as the "house of exotics" is now just a black brothel.  Would a black brothel survive in that time and place? 

I am still hoping for a bit of housecleaning before the season ends.  If I were writing the show, I'd put Quigley in a bind, maybe another dead body, but make it so she, Charlotte and Lucy can band together to pin it on Fallon.  How about Quigley accidentally screws the Lord Justice to death, and they plant the body at Fallon's with Fallon's bloody sword nearby.  That would work for me.  Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe they could convince the kidnapped girl to implicate Blaine, and he's arrested and tried for kidnap and rape. (Or, as suggested above, figure out a way to commit him to the asylum.)  Lady Fitz gets her fortune and can live with her daughter in peace.

Then go back to the battle of the bawds. 

[OtterMommy]

43 minutes ago, chaifan said:

I am still hoping for a bit of housecleaning before the season ends.  If I were writing the show, I'd put Quigley in a bind, maybe another dead body, but make it so she, Charlotte and Lucy can band together to pin it on Fallon.  How about Quigley accidentally screws the Lord Justice to death, and they plant the body at Fallon's with Fallon's bloody sword nearby.  That would work for me.  Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe they could convince the kidnapped girl to implicate Blaine, and he's arrested and tried for kidnap and rape. (Or, as suggested above, figure out a way to commit him to the asylum.)  Lady Fitz gets her fortune and can live with her daughter in peace.

 

Replying to this in the speculation thread...

[LadyintheLoop]

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The hanging scene surprised me a little because if Hunt was doing it with the express idea of making it more merciful than the Justice would have, he should have set it up so that she'd break her neck instantly instead of choking to death. 

 

Ironically, the Lord Chief Justice said he was ordering a short drop so that Margaret would suffer. 

What happens now that Amelia can identify Fallon? I don't see any down side to the other Spartans killing him.

Lydia accidentally killing the LCJ would be awesome.

[nodorothyparker]

This was quite an episode.  I knew Margaret was likely going somewhere because Samantha Morton's been cast elsewhere, but it was tense just the same in waiting to see if they would really go through with hanging the character or provide some other kind of out she might be able to come back from.  Although as has been mentioned above, assuming she survives the trip and her sentence which will last several years, she'd still be on the hook for financing her way back.  A lot of people simply didn't have the means or inclination to go back by that point.  Justice Hunt's 11th-hour attack of conscience over duty to people who don't deserve it was believably done.

One thing I really did like was the other characters amid their goodbyes driving home for her that she'd made this terrible impulsive choice to confess to murder for Lucy without really taking into consideration her other two children, who could at least be bothered to show up.  Jacob is still a child and because she was trying to do right by her Charlotte is now on the radar of the Spartans Very Bad Men Murder Club.  And in the end, her choice didn't even make Lucy any safer because she still ran right back to Lord Murderpants.  Props to Morton for really bringing that realization in a gut wrenching scene.  I don't know at this point if the show is wanting me to be sympathetic to Lucy for apparently forgetting that she's in a business arrangement and not a grand romance and that she needs to be smarter than this, but she's becoming an increasingly hard sell.  I know she's a teenage girl who despite her mother's softer spin on it was still basically sold into sex work.  I know she had a pretty rough entry into it and now thinks she hit the jackpot.  But after two seasons of her character being all over place with none of those places being terribly likable or even understandable, it's just becoming tiresome.

While I did enjoy the chief lord justice's "what now" reacting as one person after another paraded through his office demanding one outcome or another, by having her demand Margaret's execution NOW and then gloating to her about it they've lost any of the interesting shading they seemed to be striving for this season with Quigley.  She's shown something of a softness and vulnerability with Charlotte that was so much more intriguing than yet another round of being a cartoon villain but all that was thrown away this episode to have her crowing about putting Charlotte in danger too.  It would have made for a much stronger Quigley vs. Charlotte story going forward had Quigley been believably handicapped by her own regard for Charlotte and lingering sense of obligation to Margaret to not want to hurt her child.  But instead we get Cruella De Vil in a powdered wig blithely revealing secrets and locking up despoiled virgins and just generally being terrible for the sake of being terrible.

The Marquess is fast joining Quigley on the cartoon villain pile to the point that he might as well start twirling his nonexistent mustache.  I know this show firmly takes the line that all aristocratic men are the awfulest to ever awful (and most of them probably were) but again, a little shading or subtlety or something would be appreciated.  I'd even take a Jaime Lannister who believes he's in a star-crossed romance with his sister thing at this point.  The Isabella-Sophia meetup for the first time ever was underwhelming to say the least.

[aradia22]

Samantha Morton's singing voice is so pretty. It's like when Nancy sings. I wasn't expecting that voice.

Ooh, I think I like Charlotte/Isabella even more than Amelia/Violet. Also, this is much more compelling that Daniel Marney. I think they actually set this relationship up really well. 

I haven't thought until now... why aren't there more female culls visiting the brothels? I get that they wouldn't be as open about it as the men. But surely there are some wealthy women who would appreciate female companionship. Lydia seems like she'd be in that game for the blackmail potential.

CHRIST. DAYS. Lucy, you've spent DAYS with your evil boyfriend and you're this ensorcelled by him? Also, tell me how this whole mess isn't Lucy's fault? ARGH!

Goddamn. Crying. I don't think they foresaw needing to write Margaret off the show but all the work they did establishing Margaret and Will's relationship made that scene in the jail cell hit hard. 

I KNEW Blayne was thinking of locking Isabella up in Bedlam. ASSHOLE,

God, I love Nancy. With all the machinations, I appreciate this show giving us a female friendship like this.

Charlotte's blue and yellow gown was GORGEOUS.

UGH, I HATE Blayne. If ever Lucy could be useful and just stab someone.

LUCY, you unbearable nodcock! She's not playing any kind of game. She just lied for Fallon. I wish Charlotte were there to strangle her.

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Lydia Quigley: "Nobody feigns love that well."

Margaret Wells: "Taken in by a harlot. Thank you. Thank you for ensuring that my last laugh was a hearty one."

I knew it was coming once I heard the first line but it was still great. 

Whew! At least Will was able to get to Sophia first. 

LOL, I needed the levity of Emily trying to get pregnant in the middle of all the angst and my own rage at Lucy's UNBELIEVABLE STUPIDITY.

I'm sure Isabella didn't want to burden her daughter with the whole incest thing but I'm glad she didn't hedge and warned her that her "uncle" is dangerous. 

God damn it, I'm crying again. As with Will, they've established Margaret and Nancy's relationship so well. 

If Will ends up with Harriet, I'm going to throw things.

I was unsure how they would play that moment with the hanging. Why didn't he just get the hangman to lie in the first place? Whatever, I'm glad they've let the door open for her to come back to the show.

"The law is ink placed on parchment by self-serving rich men." PREACH!

[aradia22]

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Justice Hunt is quicky become a decent version of Haxby from season 1.

You're totally right. I think they needed to have a religious man who wasn't a total hypocrite. 

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Lydia doesn't suspect Emily is lying...I feel like there is no way...that is the first thing she would suspect. Also is Charles good enough to fake a pregnacy for...

Agreed. I'm not sure Lydia is credulous though. This might be another "keep your enemies" close thing. Though, I still want that chaotic Lizzie Borden energy where you just kill your enemies instead of keeping them close.

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I don't hate Lucy... I understand her motivations... I am frustrated by her mix of arrogance and jealousy... 

I can't say it isn't consistent with her season 1 characterization. But I also think that as much as everyone has some guilt, from a writing standpoint, she's caused HUGE problems for everyone else. I hope she spends season 3 repenting and being depressed for being a gigantic moron. 

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I don't think Hunt was actually planning to spare Margaret after technically hanging her, but that it was a more spur of the moment-type act. My guess is he probably bribed the hangman to keep silent about it.

This makes sense. I think he was going to go through with it and then changed his mind. I hope keeping the hangman quiet isn't going to be an issue. Just ignore that loose plot thread. I don't need it. 

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Lucy might be doing stupid stuff, but I dont hate her for it. She had no idea what was happening with her mother when she stood up for her new bad boy boyfriend, and she is still clearly dealing with her series of traumas from last season. [...] She is trying to find safety in this man who is powerful and seems to care about, or at least be infatuated with her, and she isnt thinking about anything else. 

I think this is part of my problem. She's still the arrogant and reckless girl who fought with Emily in episode 1 and continued to antagonize Kitty and the other girls in the house. She hasn't learned anything. She doesn't care about anyone else. I forget how much she knows about everything but she certainly knows a lot about the mayhem and murder going on. I refuse to believe she's so stupid as to believe Fallon has never done anything wrong. He talks about death and murder ALL THE TIME. So she's basically just deciding that Amelia and the raped girls don't matter to her. 

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Although as has been mentioned above, assuming she survives the trip and her sentence which will last several years, she'd still be on the hook for financing her way back.  A lot of people simply didn't have the means or inclination to go back by that point. 

Assuming the show lasts long enough for her to come back, I'm willing to believe that Maggie is enough of a scrapper and a fighter to figure her shit out. 

[kieyra]

@aradia22, I’ve been enjoying your binge and all your posts. Hoping you will continue with season 3 and share your thoughts as the new season unfolds. 

[aradia22]

@kieyra I might take a break. It's going to be hellish waiting for a new episode every week after being able to binge watch the first two seasons.

[Scarlett45]

On 7/11/2019 at 10:17 PM, kieyra said:

@aradia22, I’ve been enjoying your binge and all your posts. Hoping you will continue with season 3 and share your thoughts as the new season unfolds. 

Me too- I’m right behind you. 

[Scarlett45]

On 7/11/2019 at 9:37 PM, aradia22 said:

I haven't thought until now... why aren't there more female culls visiting the brothels? I get that they wouldn't be as open about it as the men. But surely there are some wealthy women who would appreciate female companionship. 

Wealthy women could be more open about “companionship” at this time. A woman’s world was FILLED with other women (ladies maids, cooks, housekeepers, governesses etc)- If a wealthy woman wanted a pretty woman as a sex partner or girlfriend she wouldn’t have to leave the house and pay one by the encounter, one was right there under her sphere already. Also wealthy women didn’t leave their household or grounds alone- servants ran errands, they went to church in groups or with families. I’m sure there were lesbian relationships in which poorer women were exploited or just paid well but the motivation to visit a brothel wasnt as high as it would be for a straight man. 

[Scarlett45]

Will & Margaret are gonna make me cry. They’ve quarreled but I absolutely believe that he loves Charlotte and Lucy like his own. They won’t be alone in this world without guidance. 

I wish Fanny had gotten more screen time. I feel like this season all Fanny got to do was hold her baby and cry. (Rightfully so she’s been through a lot)