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A fight about the family Christmas card escalates into a major feud; Scott feels guilty for moving on to a new relationship.

Premieres August 5, 2018.

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What is Kourtney's problem? I would never walk into someone's house (even a sister) & tell them their decorating choices are disgusting, it's so rude. And she's so thrilled to be a "bitch", she needs to get over herself.

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5 hours ago, GaT said:

What is Kourtney's problem? I would never walk into someone's house (even a sister) & tell them their decorating choices are disgusting, it's so rude. And she's so thrilled to be a "bitch", she needs to get over herself.

The same person who ripped apart Faye Resnick's decor for Rob's home a couple of seasons back, and also accused other family members of copying her (Kourtney's) decorating "ideas".  The same person whose house was featured in AD, along with Khloes, and then criticized Khloe's decor once the magazine came out.  Kourtney fancies herself to be some interior design guru.  She probably gets most of her "ideas" from Pinterest, and has a professional decorator hidden in the closet next to the invisible nanny.

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8 hours ago, GaT said:

What is Kourtney's problem? I would never walk into someone's house (even a sister) & tell them their decorating choices are disgusting, it's so rude. And she's so thrilled to be a "bitch", she needs to get over herself.

The irony is I've seen pictures of Kourtney's house and I find it bland, soulless and lifeless, much like the owner herself. 

My favorite Kardashian crib was the house Kim owned while she was dating Doofus Humphries. I was bummed when she sold it.

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And Kria did the same to her own mother when she moved her to a new condo. 

Gives the old lady a huge Kitchen Aid mixer..; WTF, the old lady doesn’t bake, she could hardly move it, it was so heavy.

The whole bunch of them have too much to say about everything the others do, and need to Mind their own business. 

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On 8/1/2018 at 3:12 PM, vast wasteland said:

Yeah.. maybe Kourtney was being annoying but Kim is just as bad. Also interesting that the article that links this clip seems to be on Kim’s side too. Really? Also today I saw on the cbs show the talk another scene when Khloé is on the phone with Kourtney on speaker(not knowing that Kim is standing there or that she’s on speaker) and Kourtney is crying and Kim is still being rude to her. I’m sorry. Kim is awful a lot of the time to her sisters.

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32 minutes ago, vast wasteland said:

Wow, every clip they've released so far for the premiere has had the sisters sniping, screaming, and cursing out each other, and it seems like Kourtney is the one everyone has problems with. I am not a fan of Kim's by any stretch of the imagination, but Kourtney's 'tude really irks me and I don't blame the others for being over her. Kourtney never owns her sh*t. She's throwing shade at her sisters about how motherhood is her "priority," implying that it isn't for anyone else in the family, and that's just nasty and ridiculous. I was DYING for someone to snap back, "Yeah, Kourtney, your kids are such a priority to you that you're always leaving them for weeks at a time to go off to other countries and bang your boy toy." Who does she think she's kidding with this Mother Earth routine? We're not buying it anymore, Kourtney! Oh, and the thing that's causing all of this drama is their family Christmas card? YIKES That should be something fun for the family to do together, not cause all of this angst and drama. ITA with Kim that if RoboKourtney, who usually can't show an emotion to save her life, was crying hysterically, there was something else going on besides her taking offense to an offhand remark by Kim. She'd probably just gotten into a fight with Younes about him asking for a raise in his allowance or something. </meow>

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1 hour ago, vast wasteland said:
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“I’m not here to be mistreated by my f—ing bitch family,” Kourtney says on speakerphone, crying. “Kim saying that I’m the least interesting to look at — who even speaks like that? You don’t say things like that. 

This is the same woman who walked into Khloe's house & told her that her black upholstery was "disgusting", & then smiled as she said  "I'm a born bitch.". I'm not all that impressed with her acting all butthurt when someone acts the same way towards her.

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I have to take a moment because defending Kim upsets my stomach, but despite her nasty words I was totally on her side.

As far as I can tell, Kourtney doesn't do much besides vacation with her boy toy and collect checks. I was so eye-rolling her "I choose to be a mother", like she doesn't have three or four nannies doing all the heavy lifting. I could totally understand why Kim was flipping out when Kourtney started whining about the scheduling.

I think the Christmas Cards are ridiculous, but they've become part of their brand; the same brand Kourtney benefits financially from. She can spare a day out of her non-busy schedule to snap a few pictures. 

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Eh. I don’t like any of them but I feel like Kim is the worst. She is just terrible to her sisters. I can’t get over the way she acted toward Khloé during all the Lamer stuff. Remember that Christmas card debate? “It should be just girls because rob doesn’t care and neither does Kayne and Lamar is..busy” and also when she “helped” Khloé pack up the house and she was like “well you need to decide what to do with these things because he isn’t coming back for them..” 

Also yeah Kourtney is a robot mono tone person but Kim always rings as a fake person to me. I can’t be on Kim’s side. I just can’t.

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Every clip I've seen so far makes Kourtney out to be an unbearable, whiny snob. Anyone who follows her (even her fans have caught on) that her "I'm such a hands on mom" act was bullshit. Maybe at one time she was but ever since she started screwing her boytoy she's not only become as fake and trashy as her sisters, but she babysits Younes more than her kids. 

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Kim’s changed since Kanye’s breakdown. She always used to try and stay above it all, not get into feuds or talk shit about people. She had others do it for her. 

I think she’s miserable now, stuck in a marriage with someone unstable , bored with motherhood and scared shitless  of getting old.

Why should Kourtney have to make things easy for Kim or Khloe? Kim wants to plan a whole day for a photo shoot for a Christmas card? Kim wants to have a baby shower for Chicago and expects Kourtney to volunteer to help? Get an assistant to do that shit. Both Kim and Khloe used to bitch at Kris for overbooking them all the time. Kim has had plenty to say to all of them at times , mostly when she feels they aren’t working as hard as she thinks they should. She’s mocked their clothes, their homes, their choice in men ( that’s rich).  I think all their homes are ugly and sterile, particularly Kims. Kourtney at least has a comfy couch room.

Clearly they are all older and have other things going on in their lives that are important to them. Maybe they should  take a long break from the show and do their own thing for a while.

As much as this is likely staged for TV, Kim seemed a bit to happy to rip into Kourtney and Khloe got off on listening to it. 

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“Clearly you are going through something else because you’re acting like an F-ing lunatic”, says the woman (Kim) who wanted sympathy when her husband was in the psych unit. 

Kim thinks the entire family owes HER for all their success. That does have an element of truth to it but considering it was due to a porn video she needs to stay in her lane. 

Kourtney loves all that comes with their fame like money, clothes, trips,homes, staff, etc. but thinks she doesn’t need to contribute unless it suits her. 

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22 minutes ago, Juliegirlj said:

“Clearly you are going through something else because you’re acting like an F-ing lunatic”, says the woman (Kim) who wanted sympathy when her husband was in the psych unit. 

Kim thinks the entire family owes HER for all their success. That does have an element of truth to it but considering it was due to a porn video she needs to stay in her lane. 

Kourtney loves all that comes with their fame like money, clothes, trips,homes, staff, etc. but thinks she doesn’t need to contribute unless it suits her. 

And look I’m not into defending any of them but Kim can’t deal with anyone else’s issues if they conflict with her plans. Sorry but it’s true. Let’s say Kourtney is actually dealing with something, Kim doesn’t have time for it.

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12 hours ago, iwasish said:

Why should Kourtney have to make things easy for Kim or Khloe? Kim wants to plan a whole day for a photo shoot for a Christmas card? Kim wants to have a baby shower for Chicago and expects Kourtney to volunteer to help? Get an assistant to do that shit. Both Kim and Khloe used to bitch at Kris for overbooking them all the time. Kim has had plenty to say to all of them at times , mostly when she feels they aren’t working as hard as she thinks they should. She’s mocked their clothes, their homes, their choice in men ( that’s rich).  I think all their homes are ugly and sterile, particularly Kims. Kourtney at least has a comfy couch room.

Clearly they are all older and have other things going on in their lives that are important to them. Maybe they should  take a long break from the show and do their own thing for a while.

As much as this is likely staged for TV, Kim seemed a bit to happy to rip into Kourtney and Khloe got off on listening to it. 

I have zero sympathy for Kourtney. If she really is sick of diva Kim and the rest of her “bitch family”, the simple solution is for her to refuse to sign up for another KUWTK season. She and her children could then live the quiet private life she has long proclaimed she wants, plus she would have even more time to travel the world with her “boyfriend”. She can well afford it, thanks to the clever hustling and marketing skills of Kim and Kris that have earned Kourtney and all the rest of them multimillions. Why doesn’t she quit? Because she’s just as addicted to the fame and attention as the rest of them and loves showing off her body in the paparazzi spotlight. She loves that lifestyle, period. And for all of her sobbing and whining about how hurt she is, she makes sure that all of these dramatics are caught on camera for the show. When and if she finally decides that money and fame are not worth having to accommodate herself to Kim’s demands and insults or to the filming schedule, she will go her own way and limit the time she has to be in the company of anyone in the family she finds difficult or toxic.  

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It’s not that I have sympathy for Kourtney because I don’t but my thing is Kim doesn’t have time to deal with anyone else’s issues but her own. Kim is very cut and dry that way. Which can be a good thing at times but still.. sometimes its not. 

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1 hour ago, Veronique Bette said:

I have zero sympathy for Kourtney. If she really is sick of diva Kim and the rest of her “bitch family”, the simple solution is for her to refuse to sign up for another KUWTK season. She and her children could then live the quiet private life she has long proclaimed she wants, plus she would have even more time to travel the world with her “boyfriend”. She can well afford it, thanks to the clever hustling and marketing skills of Kim and Kris that have earned Kourtney and all the rest of them multimillions. Why doesn’t she quit? Because she’s just as addicted to the fame and attention as the rest of them and loves showing off her body in the paparazzi spotlight. She loves that lifestyle, period. And for all of her sobbing and whining about how hurt she is, she makes sure that all of these dramatics are caught on camera for the show. When and if she finally decides that money and fame are not worth having to accommodate herself to Kim’s demands and insults or to the filming schedule, she will go her own way and limit the time she has to be in the company of anyone in the family she finds difficult or toxic.  

Exactly! they have more money than most people will ever have. I have no dog in this fight, but, this seems like a publicity stunt to get us all to watch and talk about it.

If it is real, then, they should take a break from each other before they say or do something that they cannot take back with a simple apology.

I think it is healthy to take breaks from the people that you love.. 

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I know it doesn't make for good drama, but I wish they'd learn to express themselves better without resorting to cursing and saying hateful things to each other. They're all wrong in one way or the other. Number one, Kourtney should never forget that Kim could have died a few years ago in Paris, so saying she's a horrible person and she'd be happier without her in her life is not okay. Secondly, Kourtney shouldn't act like she's a better mother and cares more about her kids than her sisters do because that's judgemental and delusional on her part. Thirdly, Kim doesn't need to remind everyone that she's the most popular, interesting, sexy, in demand, etc. person in the family because it's not even really true anymore (see Kylie). And lastly, Kris needs to start mothering her kids and step in when these situations start deteriorating. She was acting like a complete wuss in all of these preview scenes when Kim and Kourtney were ripping each other to shreds. What mother stands around and lets that happen, especially when their kids are adults and should know how to act better and be respectful? I swear, this family is in dire need of some group counseling.

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1 hour ago, BrainyBlonde said:

I know it doesn't make for good drama, but I wish they'd learn to express themselves better without resorting to cursing and saying hateful things to each other. They're all wrong in one way or the other. Number one, Kourtney should never forget that Kim could have died a few years ago in Paris, so saying she's a horrible person and she'd be happier without her in her life is not okay

Right after Kim's robbery out of everyone in the family Kourtney seemed like the least bothered by what happened. In fact when Kim went into hiding that's when Kourtney started whoring herself more to the paparazzi and dressing trashy. She used that time to her advantage. There was a scene on KUWTK when Kim is breaking down crying saying she thought the robbers were going to rape or kill her, that she kept thinking of her kids. Khloe and Kris were sobbing and Kourtney was stonefaced. That sums up Kourtney in a nutshell.

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1 hour ago, howmanywords said:

Right after Kim's robbery out of everyone in the family Kourtney seemed like the least bothered by what happened. In fact when Kim went into hiding that's when Kourtney started whoring herself more to the paparazzi and dressing trashy. She used that time to her advantage. There was a scene on KUWTK when Kim is breaking down crying saying she thought the robbers were going to rape or kill her, that she kept thinking of her kids. Khloe and Kris were sobbing and Kourtney was stonefaced. That sums up Kourtney in a nutshell.

When the others have had issues in their lives Kim was the first to tell them to just deal with it. She’d always the least sympathetic to anyone. But when something “terrible” happens to her, the world should stop? Just get over it Kim... 

Kris has even told Kim several times that she has a nasty way of talking to people. 

Kourtney doesn’t want to work as much as Kim or Khloe, fine, she also makes a lot less money. 

If Kim wants to have three kids and still have her full throttle career,  fine, hire someone to help plan a baby shower, that’s the perk of having money.

All this over a frigging  Christmas card, so they have fabulous memories ( the obsession with memories boggles my mind)? They all have their own families, send out your own card. 

Like I posted before Kim is unhappy and when she is she’s nasty to everyone else. Sorry you picked a person with issues to marry (maybe you’ve got some understanding for what  Khloe had to deal with)?   Bored with motherhood, scared to get old? To bad, lots of people struggle with those things, get over it.

None of them are particularly sympathetic characters, all are spoiled and self involved and most likely unhappy with much of their lives . 

For all their talk about their deceased dad and his values, I’m sure he’d be just so proud of that little exchange.

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19 minutes ago, iwasish said:

When the others have had issues in their lives Kim was the first to tell them to just deal with it. She’d always the least sympathetic to anyone. But when something “terrible” happens to her, the world should stop? Just get over it Kim... 

Kris has even told Kim several times that she has a nasty way of talking to people. 

Kourtney doesn’t want to work as much as Kim or Khloe, fine, she also makes a lot less money. 

If Kim wants to have three kids and still have her full throttle career,  fine, hire someone to help plan a baby shower, that’s the perk of having money.

All this over a frigging  Christmas card, so they have fabulous memories ( the obsession with memories boggles my mind)? They all have their own families, send out your own card. 

Like I posted before Kim is unhappy and when she is she’s nasty to everyone else. Sorry you picked a person with issues to marry (maybe you’ve got some understanding for what  Khloe had to deal with)?   Bored with motherhood, scared to get old? To bad, lots of people struggle with those things, get over it.

None of them are particularly sympathetic characters, all are spoiled and self involved and most likely unhappy with much of their lives . 

For all their talk about their deceased dad and his values, I’m sure he’d be just so proud of that little exchange.

This. It’s not like I’m rooting for anyone here but I can’t be on Kim’s side because Kim is kind of terrible to everyone who isn’t her(or her “Nuclear family” Kayne, the kids). She couldn’t understand why khlor wouldn’t drop Lamar right away(I mean I couldn’t either but Khloé was obviously still in love with him).

Also yeah.. why is a Christmas card hours???? Also this is the Christmas card they did like an advent calendar for the 25 days of December and it ended just being them all in white T-shirt’s and jeans. And that’s not spoiling the episode, it was all on Instagram. Like.. all this drama for that card? I mean.. granted this “drama” might all be scripted but I kind of hope its one of those things that starts off scripted but somehow goes off script and it becomes real! Those moments are the best. The best one was when rob went off on Kim during that vacation episode! 

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1 hour ago, iwasish said:

For all their talk about their deceased dad and his values, I’m sure he’d be just so proud of that little exchange.

I have always gotten the impression that something was broken irrevocably in their family unit after their father died.   

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All of them are some kind of self-absorbed and have bad qualities about them, but I personally do not rank them equal to one another. Kourtney and Khloe can trade places back and forth in terms of who I find the least offensive but Kim is always the one that takes top ranking for me and this situation doesn't make me feel any differently. I'm guessing there's a good chance that Kourtney's reason for not wanting to rearrange her schedule for Kim may have had to do with something related to her kids. But even that aside, I don't think Kourtney is using her children as an excuse. Kim (and it's been documented on the show), has shamed Kourtney over the years because Kourtney chose to not do any traveling for work after a certain point in her pregnancies and immediately after her children were born. Especially back then, the girls were bookings things as a trio which is what Kim was really offended by. She literally sat by and let Jonathan verbally abuse Kourtney and call her a bitch over the fact that Kourtney took 2 months off after one of her children were born (which resulted in that  perhaps fake slap). There's a possibility that all this is set up, but I don't think that it's that obvious in this case just for the fact that Kourtney and her kids have been an underlying issue throughout the years. Wasn't it Kourtney that was the main one responsible for Dash while it was in operation? Wasn't that something she was very hands on with? Maybe Kourtney has no interest in slapping her name on anything that will bring her some cash and maybe her ventures aren't all that successful but maybe it's because she feels pressured to turn her hobbies and interests into businesses in order to contribute to the Kardashian empire. She works less but she also makes less money and maybe she's perfectly fine supporting herself, her children and living her life with what she has. Kim tried shaming Kourtney about not wanting to be a Kardashian because she didn't want to participate in this over the top photoshoot. As if that's the only way to make memories. Kim was out of line with insulting Kourtney's looks (who happens to be prettiest now thanks to her simply keeping herself the closest to natural as possible) and she's not exciting (which is true but that's because she doesn't seem to care about being confrontational). Kim was totally gaslighting Kourtney on that phone conversation. First she apologized in a way that intended Kourtney feel stupid since Kim 'was obviously not being serious' and then she quickly followed by calling Kourtney a lunatic (considering your husband's mental issues, good one you dunce) because Kourtney didn't readily accept a phoney apology. When you hurt someone, they aren't crazy simply because they aren't willing to let something go to make you feel comfortable. 

Kourtney has seemingly been the most hands on with her kids...and she may sometimes travel without them but her kids are far older than Kim and Khloe's kids and she wasn't leaving them behind at that young of an age. When she's vacationing with her kids, they are part of her vacation, not sitting in some hotel being taken care of by a nanny that she paid to travel with her. Besides, she's also a single mother who has primary custody of her kids. When she's travelling without them, her kids are spending time with their father, not a nanny. I hate to defend a Kardashian this hard but as annoying as fuck as she can be, it seems like playing the facade in order to keep with this show has caught up with Kourtney. 

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2 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

Also yeah.. why is a Christmas card hours???? 

Everyone has to get their hair & makeup done, that alone takes hours.

40 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Maybe Kourtney has no interest in slapping her name on anything that will bring her some cash and maybe her ventures aren't all that successful but maybe it's because she feels pressured to turn her hobbies and interests into businesses in order to contribute to the Kardashian empire.

Kourtney expects to be treated the same as her sisters by the world even if she doesn't do the same amount of work. She's no different than Rob. She think she's owed, & she think she's the great decorator, & that she knows everything & is the best mommy because they eat gluten, carb, sugar, etc, etc free. She has a seriously overrated opinion of herself & thinks her mostly naked selfies make her important.

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50 minutes ago, GaT said:

Everyone has to get their hair & makeup done, that alone takes hours.

Kourtney expects to be treated the same as her sisters by the world even if she doesn't do the same amount of work. She's no different than Rob. She think she's owed, & she think she's the great decorator, & that she knows everything & is the best mommy because they eat gluten, carb, sugar, etc, etc free. She has a seriously overrated opinion of herself & thinks her mostly naked selfies make her important.

Very well said. And I'll just add that Miss Health Fanatic hosted a Sugar Factory grand opening last week and took many pics drinking their huge sundaes and drinks. I'm pretty sure Sugar Factory doesnt serve gluten and/or sugar free stuff but hey anything for a paycheck!

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2 hours ago, Apprentice79 said:

I have always gotten the impression that something was broken irrevocably in their family unit after their father died.   

I always feel this way too. Especially with it seems to me Khloe and Rob. I feel Like Kourtney and Kim we’re okay but it seems like both Khloé and Rob were kind of young at the time. It’s interesting because they all say that in a way that kind of brought them together again, it’s apparently what jade Kourtney and kris decide to open the clothing stores so the three girls could work together or something.

But then again I always remember how fake they tried to make the family seen before this show even started. They did a special before the show even started airing and tried to claim that the Jenner’s were very much a part of their lives and we now know this wasn’t true. Also they tried to act like the Kardashian’s girls were all super close before they started filming and I’ve read that this wasn’t true either. Khloe and Kourtney were close I think, but I think Kim was always off doing something- maybe the closet thing she was doing? Who knows. It seems like at that time Khloe and Kourtney were working at the stores and Kim was out in Hollywood. And then the rumor is the talk of the show happened before the tape came out but I never know if I believe that.

The show brought them together but they weren’t as close as they claimed to have been. 

But I don’t think any of this would have happened had their dad not passed away. I don’t think he would have wanted them on reality tv. Didn’t he not talk to Kim for months when she married that guy? 

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25 minutes ago, GaT said:

Everyone has to get their hair & makeup done, that alone takes hours.

Kourtney expects to be treated the same as her sisters by the world even if she doesn't do the same amount of work. She's no different than Rob. She think she's owed, & she think she's the great decorator, & that she knows everything & is the best mommy because they eat gluten, carb, sugar, etc, etc free. She has a seriously overrated opinion of herself & thinks her mostly naked selfies make her important.

I don’t see that.from Kourtney, more from Khloe and Kim. She rarely makes appearances because as she said she’s uncomfortable speaking in public. The appearances she does make are generally for family related stuff. She’s hardly ever on talk shows. 

I think she is the one sister who has remained truest to what they started out as. Using the inheritance from their father to open the business DASH as a to secure their future and work together. When Kim and Khloe wanted to shut down DASH, Kourtney was very hurt. 

Sure she enjoys the perks of the business, nothing wrong with that. She’s earned plenty of money just from KUWTK. That alone would support her lifestyle. 

Sufdenly Kim feels the pressure of having kids and wants her sisters to step up and “work” with her? She accused Kourtney of not working hard enough, Kourtney works as much as Kourtney wants to work. Why does she have to work more than that because Kim and Khloe have other business commitments that DONT put money in her pocket. Kim has missed many things on the show because she had other things to do. 

Is she a bit obnoxious with the decorating? Yeah, but if I recall, Kim went apeshit over Kris STEALING her Christmas decorations and stomped out in a huff. Kris tried to bulldoze Kylie into decorating the way she wanted her to. Kim criticized Kris’s decorating and even REDECORATED Kris’s house to her liking when staying temporarily. All of them think nothing of knocking each other’s taste. Kourtney at least knows something a bout architecture and design, unlike Kim who just parrots what her wanna be designer husband says.  I may think my brother’s house is hideous, but it’s NONE of MY BUSINESS. And he may think mine is clutter paradise but neither of us would say anything. 

Her gluten free, carb free stuff is annoying maybe, but so is seeing Kim and Khloe promote all kinds of diet shit for big bucks and still have to resort to plastic surgery to lose weight and look half as good as Kourtney. 

Kim and Khloe talk endlessly about their weight and how much weight they want to lose. I’ve rarely heard Kourtney complain that she’s fat or obsess about losing weight. 

I never heard Kourtney rip into Rob like Kim has calling him lazy, etc. 

Maybe the next time she decides to call her unstable brother names, someone turns it back on the  nut case she’s married to.

it might just be that Kourtney isn’t interested in being on the Forbes list or selling overpriced perfume and makeup that someone else created and she slapped her name on, or appearing on Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon and spinning her head around like an owl and trying to get attention by sharing the scandalous tidbit that she was OMG NAKED when the president called her. And during that TERRIFYING robbery,,,,,, she  was OMG NAKED UNDER HER ROBE!! As if no one has ever seen her NAKED. Christ it’s more shocking when we see pics of her WITH clothes on.

Kourtney is by no means perfect, but just because she’s chosen a different lifestyle that doesn’t emphasize work work work money money money, doesn’t mean that she should be inconvenienced in her life to accommodate those who  put more on their plates. Use that extra money to hire more help. 

All of them have over inflated opinions of themselves and need to be taken down a peg or two or 5 or 10, depending.

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53 minutes ago, iwasish said:

I don’t see that.from Kourtney, more from Khloe and Kim. She rarely makes appearances because as she said she’s uncomfortable speaking in public. The appearances she does make are generally for family related stuff. She’s hardly ever on talk shows. 

I think she is the one sister who has remained truest to what they started out as. Using the inheritance from their father to open the business DASH as a to secure their future and work together. When Kim and Khloe wanted to shut down DASH, Kourtney was very hurt. 

Sure she enjoys the perks of the business, nothing wrong with that. She’s earned plenty of money just from KUWTK. That alone would support her lifestyle. 

Sufdenly Kim feels the pressure of having kids and wants her sisters to step up and “work” with her? She accused Kourtney of not working hard enough, Kourtney works as much as Kourtney wants to work. Why does she have to work more than that because Kim and Khloe have other business commitments that DONT put money in her pocket. Kim has missed many things on the show because she had other things to do. 

Is she a bit obnoxious with the decorating? Yeah, but if I recall, Kim went apeshit over Kris STEALING her Christmas decorations and stomped out in a huff. Kris tried to bulldoze Kylie into decorating the way she wanted her to. Kim criticized Kris’s decorating and even REDECORATED Kris’s house to her liking when staying temporarily. All of them think nothing of knocking each other’s taste. Kourtney at least knows something a bout architecture and design, unlike Kim who just parrots what her wanna be designer husband says.  I may think my brother’s house is hideous, but it’s NONE of MY BUSINESS. And he may think mine is clutter paradise but neither of us would say anything. 

Her gluten free, carb free stuff is annoying maybe, but so is seeing Kim and Khloe promote all kinds of diet shit for big bucks and still have to resort to plastic surgery to lose weight and look half as good as Kourtney. 

Kim and Khloe talk endlessly about their weight and how much weight they want to lose. I’ve rarely heard Kourtney complain that she’s fat or obsess about losing weight. 

I never heard Kourtney rip into Rob like Kim has calling him lazy, etc. 

Maybe the next time she decides to call her unstable brother names, someone turns it back on the  nut case she’s married to.

it might just be that Kourtney isn’t interested in being on the Forbes list or selling overpriced perfume and makeup that someone else created and she slapped her name on, or appearing on Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon and spinning her head around like an owl and trying to get attention by sharing the scandalous tidbit that she was OMG NAKED when the president called her. And during that TERRIFYING robbery,,,,,, she  was OMG NAKED UNDER HER ROBE!! As if no one has ever seen her NAKED. Christ it’s more shocking when we see pics of her WITH clothes on.

Kourtney is by no means perfect, but just because she’s chosen a different lifestyle that doesn’t emphasize work work work money money money, doesn’t mean that she should be inconvenienced in her life to accommodate those who  put more on their plates. Use that extra money to hire more help. 

All of them have over inflated opinions of themselves and need to be taken down a peg or two or 5 or 10, depending.

Yeah.. I mean.. you wrote this better then I can which to me is yeah Kim’s right Kourtney “does what she wants to do” and she can afford to. And I’ve said it many times but I do think Kourtney would be fine if this show ended. She would still have enough money to go on her vacations with her kids and/or her boyfriend. 

I also think Kendall and Kylie would be fine too. At this point their appearances on this show are rare at best. And they both have things outside of the show now. Kendall has an actual modeling career and Kylie has her makeup line.

Kim still needs the show I think. It keeps her relevant because I don’t think any of her business can really do that now. Sure she has beauty products and other things but I think a lot of her brand comes from being a reality star. And I think same goes to Khloe. 

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Kim Kardashian Talks Klashing with Kourtney in New Season of "Keeping Up with the Kardashians"

Kim quote:

"Yeh, I mean, it's pretty intense but like, but at home I'm not known.  Like my kids have no clue what's going on."  (Not quite sure of the grammar rules for punctuating "like" in that context.)

What the what?  One word:  paparazzi.  Two words:  social media  Three words:  getting designer clothes  Four words: living with narcissistic parents.  How could they NOT have a clue what's going on?

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2 hours ago, GaT said:

Everyone has to get their hair & makeup done, that alone takes hours.

Kourtney expects to be treated the same as her sisters by the world even if she doesn't do the same amount of work. She's no different than Rob. She think she's owed, & she think she's the great decorator, & that she knows everything & is the best mommy because they eat gluten, carb, sugar, etc, etc free. She has a seriously overrated opinion of herself & thinks her mostly naked selfies make her important.

Can you name a single example of Kourtney complaining about Kris not giving her business interests enough attention the way Khloe has? Can you name a time where Kourtney has thrown a tantrum about not being photographed, acknowledged, etc. while her other sisters were? Can you name a single instance where Kourtney has said or done something that suggests that she wants the same treatment as her sisters while wanting them to do all of the work? I see no actual evidence to any of your claims other than an assumption that Kourtney gets perks related to her family's situation all the while doing none of the work. They are a brand and while Kim and Khloe have used that brand to venture off into their own business interests, their mainstay is still the Kardashian brand - Kourtney is part of that and she deserves to be compensated for each appearance she makes with her sisters as part of that brand, for each event she attends as a representative of that brand and for each time she hauls her ass on a plane with her sisters to promote their brand - nothing like Rob's situation. Kourtney is not doing half the work and receiving equal financial and public recognition for it. She puts in less work to the brand, makes less money and has the least amount of social media influence compared to her sisters. Kim even admitted that the original reason for their show was to promote the DASH stores, which was something that Kourtney took a lot of pride in and put a lot of work into. The show devolved from its original intention and they all went along with it to get where they are today, but this isn't some mafia where you're expected to be in it for life to feed the egos of others. Kourtney is being shamed because she has made personal decisions to have at least a tad bit more control over her privacy and personal decisions compared to her sisters who are more sought after in the public eye. 

She chooses to eat what she wants to feel good and she instills those eating habits in her children, naturally. That doesn't make her a snob for doing what she feels is best for her own health and that of her children. I've more seen her sisters tease her for her interests in organic foods, etc. then I have ever seen her shame them for what they choose to put in their bodies. Until this clip of her comment about how many her values are different because she puts her kids first, have we ever heard her shame Kim for not always traveling with her children or have we ever seen her make Khloe feel bad for being the sister without a child? Again, more commentary by you that I just simply see real evidence of. Sure, she's bitchy about decorating in particular and likes to act like she's the all wise when it comes to that kind of stuff, but Khloe and Kim have both done the same thing but have directed their bitchiness toward their mother about things like that .

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Kourtney has promoted Flat Tummy tea, Fit Tea and a whole slew of fat burning farces so yeah shes no different than the others there. She also slapped her name on a Kylie Cosmetics collaboration.

9 hours ago, RHJunkie said:

Can you name a time where Kourtney has thrown a tantrum about not being photographed, acknowledged, etc. while her other sisters were?

We'll see if this plays out this season, but there were reports that she was furious that she was the only sister who was left off the Maxim 100 list. Since there was so much chatter when the list came out I'll be shocked if we don't see reaction on the show.

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Whatever.  And I have to keep saying that. I feel like I’ve said it anytime I thought about this, I have no horse in the race but I do agree with others who said that Kim is obviously dealing with her own stuff, she seems pretty angry right off the bat. Maybe we will see more of what made her go zero to hundred with Kourtney tomorrow night  but here we are. Also while journey was unintentionally rude about Kourtneys home decorating, they all have this problem with things on a daily basis. One of them at least once has said a rude off handed comment about something and just been like blasé about it.

I did laugh during that clip when Kourtney was like “are we having a meeting or what..?” Because the meeting seemed to be about Kim’s baby shower.. or the Christmas card or.. something. Those two things could have been talked about in a group text I’d thats what the meeting was about. 

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Previews make Kim look insufferable and Khloe secretly happy to be on the good side of the self-appointed Queen Bitch.

Meanwhile, Narc Mom Kris seems amused to see that her divide-and-conquer childrearing tactics continue to be successful. ?

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Some of the scenes with Kourtney seemed staged and she wanted to laugh - but the one when she was crying and said the family was disgusting seemed real. Kris and Kim (and Khloe now too) are all about the business, but Kourtney isn’t. Intense episode. Interesting that she called their relationships fake - and also that she’s in therapy. Maybe she will leave the country one day. There was a rumor recently that she wanted to move to Paris with Younes, but Scott didn’t want her to move the kids so far away.

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Well, so far one thing I noted was Kim talking about all that she had to do (photo shoot, shower, business stuff) and had to admit I would feel overwhelmed at all that and would have started to feel a little sympathy 

IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE:

a gazillion dollars

assistants

caterers

party specialists

florists

business managers

drivers

glam squads for hair and makeup

maids

nannies

household staff...

 

Also, Kourtney?  Not a fan.  When she is complaining to her paid glam squad eyebrow person that Kim said, "Well, you are the least interesting to look at," and the paid glam squad eyebrow person said, "Not true," and Kourtney said, "Well, obviously."  She lost me.  Totally.  Like, really lost me.  IMO, she has like absolutely no insight into like the impact of like her own actions on others, like only a like heightened awareness of their actions on like her.

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1 hour ago, nexxie said:

Some of the scenes with Kourtney seemed staged and she wanted to laugh - but the one when she was crying and said the family was disgusting seemed real. Kris and Kim (and Khloe now too) are all about the business, but Kourtney isn’t. Intense episode. Interesting that she called their relationships fake - and also that she’s in therapy. Maybe she will leave the country one day. There was a rumor recently that she wanted to move to Paris with Younes, but Scott didn’t want her to move the kids so far away.

Funny that Kim again knocked therapy when she mocked Kourtneys “ therapy speak “ if anyone needs some therapy it’s Kim. To figure out why she’s so dissatisfied with her looks and jealous of Kourtney. Maybe cause Kourtney at least has an ass that isn’t a freak of nature. 

And Kim with the fucking memories. An all day stress filled photo shoot isn’t quite the memory I want my kids to have. Hanging around having fun is.

And Kendall gets a pass for not showing up at all cause she had a conflict with another shoot. 

Kourt was willing to be there from   11 to 4 that’s plenty of time to take pictures. 

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2 minutes ago, vast wasteland said:

Well, so far one thing I noted was Kim talking about all that she had to do (photo shoot, shower, business stuff) and had to admit I would feel overwhelmed at all that and would have started to feel a little sympathy 

IF SHE DIDN'T HAVE:

a gazillion dollars

assistants

caterers

party specialists

florists

business managers

drivers

glam squads for hair and makeup

maids

nannies

household staff...

 

Also, Courtney?  Not a fan.  When she is complaining to her paid glam squad eyebrow person that Kim said, "Well, you are the least interesting to look at," and the paid glam squad eyebrow person said, "Not true," and Kourtney said, "Well, obviously."  She lost me.  Totally.  Like, really lost me.  IMO, she has like absolutely no insight into like the impact of like her own actions on others, like only a like heightened awareness of their actions on like her.

 Actually thought Kourtney was making a joke with that comment.

Did North ask Kim when the baby was coming and did  Kim say “in a month or two”?  Talk about being disconnected. And having friends kiss her flat belly ? I feel for Chi. Kim will never feel the same about her that she feels about North. She and Saint will always play second fiddle.

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15 minutes ago, vast wasteland said:

Also, Kourtney?  Not a fan.  When she is complaining to her paid glam squad eyebrow person that Kim said, "Well, you are the least interesting to look at," and the paid glam squad eyebrow person said, "Not true," and Kourtney said, "Well, obviously."  She lost me.  Totally.  Like, really lost me.  IMO, she has like absolutely no insight into like the impact of like her own actions on others, like only a like heightened awareness of their actions on like her.

Exactly. 

I find it interesting that when she goes off on her numerous getaways with Younes having dinner with and putting her kids to bed doesn't seem to be something she feels so strongly about.

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iwasish wrote:

 Actually thought Kourtney was making a joke with that comment.

Ah, I understand.  I personally have really never seen her as having a sense of humor, so that interpretation didn't occur to me.  I do, however, think she is the most gorgeous one of the original four Kardashian girls.

Just curious, did it put you off when she made the out of left field remark about Khloe's black couch covers?  I found that rude and condescending.  And if it was just clap back at Kim, it wasn't the most adult way to handle her anger, by deflecting and attacking. 

And I'm laughing at myself because of all my analysis even in the face of my belief that this is predominantly staged drama.?  But you just get drawn in, right? ?

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I don't feel bad for Kim. You wanted the photoshoot so you should rearrange your schedule if you need to to accommodate everyone else who you are recruiting for something YOU want to do. Kourtney doesn't need a reason better than wanting to be home by a certain time to be with her kids. The heart of that argument boiled down to Kim feeling that her schedule was more of a priority than Kourtney's because her schedule was filled with business obligations while Kourtney's was filled with her 'just her kids'. Kim can fuck right off out of here, especially with mocking someone who is seeking therapy. Maybe your husband wouldn't be such a fucking looney if you encouraged him to get help rather than sit back while he makes himself into a sideshow for the world to be both enraged and increasingly worried for. 

And Kim said 'if I said something to hurt you'...she knows damn well what she said to hurt Kourtney and then tried to play it off like she gave a genuine apology, lol.

What is up with Khloe's face? 

Kourtney is so fucking robotic that the fact that she was crying seemed pretty legit to me. I guess Kim doesn't see the irony in claiming that Kourtney doesn't want to have memories with her children when the whole reason why Kourtney isn't bending to Kim's schedule (which she made after the original photoshoot scheduling) is because Kourtney wants to be with her children. So I guess memories only matter when you get to publicize them for all the world to see. Kourtney's comments about Kim being obsessed with money and the family now caring more about the image than their actual relationships seems little too heavy to be completely fake...again, I just don't believe Kourntey could pull off crying like that if it were purely staged, lol. It really grinds my gears when family members think that being related gives you a license to mistreat people and disregard their feelings as if there's some rule that you must 'get over it'. Toxic people, whether it's family or not, shouldn't be given too much space in your life at the risk of your own happiness. That's just a general statement...not trying to say that Kourtney doesn't have her own issues that she would need to work on to have a better relationship with her family but Kim's comments about her not caring about the family (and still glossing over the impact she had on Kourtney's feelings) makes me weary of automatically believing Kim's version of events where she paints herself as the victim. 

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